More Cyrodiil events like this?

IcyDeadPeople

At one time we had ten campaigns, each with much higher population cap and epic battles were found all over the map 24/7, even weeknights.

This week's event has brought back some of the fun we had during the period after launch with tons of people in Cyrodiil all the time. Prior to this week, we had only one high pop campaign and even that one was a bit dead late at night. I hope some of these new and returning players decide to stick around.

Would you like to see more events like this?

frozywozy

Please, never double the AP again. You are ruining the only achievement worth getting pvping and the PVP economy in the meantime. Also, revert back the Homestead changes regarding the AP gain for capturing objectives. Thanks.

People should be encouraged to fight between each other, not to avoid each other pvdooring keeps/outposts.

Soella

All kind of events are pretty good to break monotony of daily routine.

Double AP weekends (or double it only for some activities)
"No AP" weekend - so PvErs could have chance to get their achievs with less chances to be ganked.

NightbladeMechanics

Or they could learn to PvP and defend themselves from the gankers...

@gibous made the comment last night that this week is drawing a ton of people to Cyrodiil who wouldn't usually be playing PvP, and he wondered why ZOS hasn't incorporated Cyrodiil into past holiday incentive events. They've doubled tel var, resource nodes, and vma drops for past events. Why not implement some Cyrodiil incentives too?

Recremen

frozywozy wrote: »

Please, never double the AP again. You are ruining the only achievement worth getting pvping and the PVP economy in the meantime. Also, revert back the Homestead changes regarding the AP gain for capturing objectives. Thanks.

People should be encouraged to fight between each other, not to avoid each other pvdooring keeps/outposts.

Boo, hiss. It's like you're just forgetting the time of no-diminishing-returns AP, the kill trading back when there were a dozen campaigns, the bugged skills exploited to gain huge amounts of AP, the skills specifically designed to enable young single nightblades in your area to rake in AP by the thousands, etc. etc. I can't think of a single 5-star that hasn't participated in at least one of these. There might be, I just don't know of any. Maybe some streamers whose literal job it is to be good at PvP all day, but that's about it.

I don't even know what you're complaining about anyway, all of us in Trueflame PC NA were waist-deep in blood for the entirety of our waking hours, yourself included. Please show me where on the map where people are avoiding each other instead of getting fights.

Publius_Scipio

This isn't as much an event as it is a way for ZOS to collect data and continue improving game performance in PvP. The double AP is a sugary sweet to entice people to pack the campaigns.

Recremen

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

This isn't as much an event as it is a way for ZOS to collect data and continue improving game performance in PvP. The double AP is a sugary sweet to entice people to pack the campaigns.

Very good point! Still wouldn't mind it being a thing in general. ;-)

frozywozy

Recremen wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Please, never double the AP again. You are ruining the only achievement worth getting pvping and the PVP economy in the meantime. Also, revert back the Homestead changes regarding the AP gain for capturing objectives. Thanks.

People should be encouraged to fight between each other, not to avoid each other pvdooring keeps/outposts.

Boo, hiss. It's like you're just forgetting the time of no-diminishing-returns AP, the kill trading back when there were a dozen campaigns, the bugged skills exploited to gain huge amounts of AP, the skills specifically designed to enable young single nightblades in your area to rake in AP by the thousands, etc. etc. I can't think of a single 5-star that hasn't participated in at least one of these. There might be, I just don't know of any. Maybe some streamers whose literal job it is to be good at PvP all day, but that's about it.

It is not because there were flaws in the system before that we should support more flaws in the future. Your logic doesn't make any sense. I am pointing out a system where people earn AP way too fast and are ruining the only honorific achievement left in the game on top of the PVP economy.

The only way that pvpers have to earn gold nowadays is to sell the PVP bags containing Overland drops. With all the recent changes to earn AP (not only the double AP week), those items are about to be worth nothing.

I don't even know what you're complaining about anyway, all of us in Trueflame PC NA were waist-deep in blood for the entirety of our waking hours, yourself included. Please show me where on the map where people are avoiding each other instead of getting fights.

I've never said that players aren't engaging each other. I said that increasing the AP gain for capturing objectives with the Homestead patch on top of a double AP week encourage people to exploit and abuse, trading objectives instead of actually fighting each other. Brian and his team should have kept the double AP gain strictly for killing and healing players.

Good try twisting my words around and avoiding a very simple fact.

DeadlyRecluse

More events in cyrodiil--especially more interesting events--would be a welcome change.

Publius_Scipio

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

More events in cyrodiil--especially more interesting events--would be a welcome change.

1 week where its one death/no res and you are gone. The army left standing or army with most troops at the end of the campaign timer wins.

Rickter

Cyrodiil needs a bit of an update/overhaul.

its essentially remained the same for 3 years. the only add on was a completely different zone and an item vendor. oh and town captures. whooo wee.

that being said, im all for anything that brings players back to content, regardless of how out of date it is. I also think pvp ranks are a yet- to- be- officially- explained- massive grind. Please tell me why it takes so long to get max rank when most people spammed rapid regen and zerg surfed to the top. i want the dyes. and now the home furnishings. ./shrug

Forztr

I'd like to special one off campaigns with special rules and unique rewards.

Eg a Weekend Warrior special campaign that runs fro 48hours where the winning conditions were determined at the end of the weekend.

Faction with the current emp wins.
If no emp then the faction with most scrolls.
If equal scrolls then most emp keeps.
Finally most current points.

Have unique rewards such as an alliance costume or pet or mount or something.
Big it up and run it once a quarter.

Recremen

frozywozy wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Please, never double the AP again. You are ruining the only achievement worth getting pvping and the PVP economy in the meantime. Also, revert back the Homestead changes regarding the AP gain for capturing objectives. Thanks.

People should be encouraged to fight between each other, not to avoid each other pvdooring keeps/outposts.

Boo, hiss. It's like you're just forgetting the time of no-diminishing-returns AP, the kill trading back when there were a dozen campaigns, the bugged skills exploited to gain huge amounts of AP, the skills specifically designed to enable young single nightblades in your area to rake in AP by the thousands, etc. etc. I can't think of a single 5-star that hasn't participated in at least one of these. There might be, I just don't know of any. Maybe some streamers whose literal job it is to be good at PvP all day, but that's about it.

It is not because there were flaws in the system before that we should support more flaws in the future. Your logic doesn't make any sense. I am pointing out a system where people earn AP way too fast and are ruining the only honorific achievement left in the game on top of the PVP economy.

The only way that pvpers have to earn gold nowadays is to sell the PVP bags containing Overland drops. With all the recent changes to earn AP (not only the double AP week), those items are about to be worth nothing.

I don't even know what you're complaining about anyway, all of us in Trueflame PC NA were waist-deep in blood for the entirety of our waking hours, yourself included. Please show me where on the map where people are avoiding each other instead of getting fights.

I've never said that players aren't engaging each other. I said that increasing the AP gain for capturing objectives with the Homestead patch on top of a double AP week encourage people to exploit and abuse, trading objectives instead of actually fighting each other. Brian and his team should have kept the double AP gain strictly for killing and healing players.

Good try twisting my words around and avoiding a very simple fact.

My logic is fine, you just aren't getting that your premise is faulty. There is no worthy honorific achievement in PvP. All of them have been besmirches by kill trading, broken skills, eras of "way too fast" AP gain and the like. Double AP week isn't ruining anything, it's all gone to heck years ago. If anything, we have been earning AP way too slowly for the last year and a half might finally be getting back to a decent earning potential. I think a rolling AP-value reset on kills and a higher base AP reward for kills would have been the better route, but they want to encourage people to play the map more so I don't really begrudge their current strategy.

I don't really have an opinion on the AP economy since that also went to heck years ago when they were (and still are) handing out AP by the millions with a long period of nothing worth buying. People have millions stocked up and can usually buy anything they like, and PvEers can just go PvE for their overland sets, so idk exactly how they're going to spend money buying AP bags.

Finally, encouraging behavior and that behavior actually being a problem are totally different. Currently keep trading is only an issue on EU as far as the forums are reporting. So I don't really understand the point of bringing up how it encourages bad behavior when nobody on our server is actually engaging in the problematic actions.

Minalan

Forztr wrote: »

I'd like to special one off campaigns with special rules and unique rewards.

Eg a Weekend Warrior special campaign that runs fro 48hours where the winning conditions were determined at the end of the weekend.

Faction with the current emp wins.
If no emp then the faction with most scrolls.
If equal scrolls then most emp keeps.
Finally most current points.

Have unique rewards such as an alliance costume or pet or mount or something.
Big it up and run it once a quarter.

This. Would be fun. Definitely a costume, a hat, a hood, or something visual would make it interesting.

Why not bring the devs in too, at least one on each alliance. SWTOR did PVP events where staff queued up and fought players (under their own real names). It was great fun killing them.

Minno

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

More events in cyrodiil--especially more interesting events--would be a welcome change.

1 week where its one death/no res and you are gone. The army left standing or army with most troops at the end of the campaign timer wins.

Or all doors removed in cyro with normal rules or with rez points only at gate keep, towns captured, and camps.

EIGHTS

Don't do this again in a particular campaign.
ZOS can do this in Azure' Star.

The only thing we need is ZOS stuff really play their game in True Flame.

zyk

The only reason there are so many playing is for extra AP. If it was to become a regular thing, the returns would diminish and would be offset by the loss of OCD players who play to max AR.

This is a gimmick that will only work so many times.

The actual solution to what ails Cyrodiil is investment from ZOS: more devs designing new gameplay and content, real solutions to mitigate cheating, faster responses to bugs and glitches.

If the gameplay was good enough, we would not need incentives to play at all.

Skinzz

The boosting is getting bad. There's gonna be a lot of new/fake grand overlords after this event is over. Boosting as in reflipping keeps with the enemy faction without attacking each other.

SneaK

I don't like the double AP thing cause people's egos have a direct link to their AP, which is ridiculous. But I do like the idea of bringing more incentive to enter into Cyrodiil.

NightbladeMechanics

I'm still baffled at the importance you place on your title @frozywozy .

xeNNNNN

No more double AP please.

it just encourages keep trading and outpost trading and until the server is up to spec we shouldnt have this many people in cyro because its causing way to much lag for a majority of people there are those who have seen some form of improvement but the large majority are getting lagged to death and when its so laggy that you cant even see abilities that are hitting you and killing you or players around you then you know there is a problem.

It also destroys the PvP gear economy which is annoying as hell.

Any other even but double AP. urgh.

zuto40

Events where it's 1 life per day, no ults, unlimited ults, score based on kills, score based on ranks of people killed, random bounties placed on people, random bonuses for taking a keep or defending, elite daedric honorguards pouring out from the bridges, there are endless possibilities

frozywozy

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

I'm still baffled at the importance you place on your title @frozywozy .

I'm still baffled at the importance you place on the importance I place on my title @NightbladeMechanics .

IcyDeadPeople

xeNNNNN wrote: »

until the server is up to spec we shouldnt have this many people in cyro because its causing way to much lag for a majority of people

Can you explain a bit more? You believe the population cap should be reduced lower than what it is currently? (The caps for each campaign used to be much higher, also there were more total campaigns.)

Kram8ion

I'm leaning to a more race related events or something like particular keep buffs or different rewards in campaigns

xeNNNNN

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

until the server is up to spec we shouldnt have this many people in cyro because its causing way to much lag for a majority of people

Can you explain a bit more? You believe the population cap should be reduced lower than what it is currently? (The caps for each campaign used to be much higher, also there were more total campaigns.)

Yeah I know, Bassically it should be bigger again instead of being so small but only when the server itself has been upgrade to a much more reasonable standard. Planetside 2 is far more high quality in terms of server capability, I virtually never lag even at prime time there. Yes different game, Different Genre, Different Engine BUT better server hardware can really improve things. I want to blame everything on the hero engine they rebuilt but theres only so much you can blame on player setups and Game engines before you have to admit that its the server hardware.

I understand them not wanting to because it would cost a lot but they need to.

xeNNNNN

zuto40 wrote: »

Events where it's 1 life per day, no ults, unlimited ults, score based on kills, score based on ranks of people killed, random bounties placed on people, random bonuses for taking a keep or defending, elite daedric honorguards pouring out from the bridges, there are endless possibilities

I like most of those but "score based on kills" .


There are enough zergs already.

zuto40

xeNNNNN wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

Events where it's 1 life per day, no ults, unlimited ults, score based on kills, score based on ranks of people killed, random bounties placed on people, random bonuses for taking a keep or defending, elite daedric honorguards pouring out from the bridges, there are endless possibilities

I like most of those but "score based on kills" .


There are enough zergs already.

score based on number of kills, groups larger then 6 have half of their kills count

xeNNNNN

zuto40 wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

Events where it's 1 life per day, no ults, unlimited ults, score based on kills, score based on ranks of people killed, random bounties placed on people, random bonuses for taking a keep or defending, elite daedric honorguards pouring out from the bridges, there are endless possibilities

I like most of those but "score based on kills" .


There are enough zergs already.

score based on number of kills, groups larger then 6 have half of their kills count

In a contest between a large scale group of people spread out vs a zerg, the zerg would still win the scoring with their points cut in half because the sheer volume of kills they are obtaining would outweigh the kills the people spread out could accumulate. Zergs adhere to a very simple tactic - Overwhelm your enemy with sheer brute force and numbers and often or not they will bait the enemy into dead ends so they can zerg out again (too many people fall for the bait tactic).

An organised zerg would still carry the scoring.

Osteos

I would like to see more pvp events like double AP weekends. As for pvp titles having meaning, that ship sailed long ago.

FrozenAnimal

[x] Yes, more Cyrodiil-Events, but not like this. No more double Ap Events please.