IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »People quitting a game over a weapon makes me laugh.
It's not average pugs quitting "over a weapon". It's end-game players going for rank 1 scores. Not rank 100, not rank 50, not rank 2. And if you look at the leaderboards, you'll notice something compared to what they looked like a year ago. There's no competition. There's Hodor with a full team of vMA weapons... and that's pretty much it. All the other competition got filtered out and driven away by ZOS.
A person without a vMA weapon cannot compete with a person that has one on maximum skill-level. Thus, people who have the weapons will always be first, while people like me who don't have them farm a solo arena for over a year (almost 1.5 years by now), 1000+ runs, and eventually quit. I myself ran it 550+ times so far.
Some play for RP, some play for skill and competition. If you play for RP, you won't quit over a weapon. But you probably won't farm a solo arena for 1000+ hours in the first place. Which is the real reason those people quit: demotivation! Not the weapon per se.Now that BDO went hardcore p2w
I disagree. BDO isn't more P2W than ESO. What you're referring to is probably the trading system that is more convenient when subscribed. In ESO it's the crafting bag. Both are not needed to play the game and don't help you "win". But they are convenient. If BDO is P2W, how is ESO not?
IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »jakeedmundson wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »Maelstrom staves are a back bar weapon.
Umm.... no.... no they aren't.
Any stamina build uses front bar.
MOST mag builds will do double bar... 1 sharpened lightning, 1 sharpened inferno. OR mal on front bar with dual wield swords on back bar.
I know, i know.... there is some meta build that uses only a sharpened lightning or inferno on back bar and does the other with a moondancer on front. That's one build out of many.
That "some meta" build is the one with most potential DPS. A 4pc Moondancer/Aether bonus + spell damage glyph > maelstrom weapon. You aren't running Blockade on both bars, so there's 0 need for having 2 vMA staves.
Btw I did say Staves, Idk why you bring up stamina builds.
That's the reason you're far from being 1st even with your vMA staff. Deltia builds are good for beginners. If you never question builds, buff interactions and playstyles, you'll never be number 1.
Yes, that setup is best if you play like shown in the videos. Every competitive group has their secrets. For Hodor it's the trash pulls. You won't find a single video of them doing that, unless it's their 2nd group, which doesn't know the 1st group's trash tactics either. We, on the other hand, stream most of our raids, but especially those when going for max score. I, however, will never share my build and playstyle outside of my raid group and close friends. Same goes for most of our group. That's my competitive advantage.
Now go enjoy light-weaving Force Pulse.Not saying it's bad.
This might be true of Magicka, but for competitive Stamina, you NEED VMA weapons. Stamina underperforms compared to Magicka builds for end game trials (especially after our recent nerfs). You can get by without them but you're taking a significant damage penalty doing so. ZOS made Maelstrom DW too good for what they are, and because of that they're BIS even with bad traits. Pretty much all end game Stamina builds require them. Since Stamina is mostly relegated to single target and our AOE damage is too low that we need that extra boost to compete.In all honesty, VMA weapons do not "make or break" your build or your ability to compete. I have never gotten my sharpened inferno staff and while the extra damage would be nice, it's not necessary to do end game content. My raid team was the first NA clear of vMoL and I have been on top of trial leaderboards multiple times, never having a VMA weapon.
Tokens will help, you will probably need a lot as in 25 or more if you also got the drop.Stopnaggin wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »People quitting a game over a weapon makes me laugh.
has nothing to do with the specific weapon, but a total bunch of crap by ESO to BS everyone. again, again and again
same goes for the added gems to the Crown store to buy the good stuff, but have to buy the gambling boxes to get them
total BS
Get over the crown crates already. It's a tired ass old argument. Not needed in every friggin thread.
Yes rng sucks, it is a real pain, I have no idea on how they could fix it at this point. Token system? How many tokens do you need so as not to *** off those who have run it 1000+ times to get their weapons? Drop useless traits? Good but still dependant on rng. Whats the middle ground to keep everyone happy?
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »VMA loot is beyond awful, and it certainly has driven and will continue to drive good players away from the game.
As for a VMA staff giving 4k DPS single target, sorry I dont buy it. Saying "trust me on this" without providing anything to back up your claim makes you sound like a politician.
Could they add 4k in a trash pull? Certainly.
jakeedmundson wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »VMA loot is beyond awful, and it certainly has driven and will continue to drive good players away from the game.
As for a VMA staff giving 4k DPS single target, sorry I dont buy it. Saying "trust me on this" without providing anything to back up your claim makes you sound like a politician.
Could they add 4k in a trash pull? Certainly.
I've seen the lightning staff tested on heavy attack builds for single target... Sorry i can't remember exactly where but i've seen the numbers.
You're right i think for the classic frag/force pulse build with an inferno staff... it might add 2k ish? that number sticks in my head for some reason.
jakeedmundson wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »VMA loot is beyond awful, and it certainly has driven and will continue to drive good players away from the game.
As for a VMA staff giving 4k DPS single target, sorry I dont buy it. Saying "trust me on this" without providing anything to back up your claim makes you sound like a politician.
Could they add 4k in a trash pull? Certainly.
I've seen the lightning staff tested on heavy attack builds for single target... Sorry i can't remember exactly where but i've seen the numbers.
You're right i think for the classic frag/force pulse build with an inferno staff... it might add 2k ish? that number sticks in my head for some reason.
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »jakeedmundson wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »VMA loot is beyond awful, and it certainly has driven and will continue to drive good players away from the game.
As for a VMA staff giving 4k DPS single target, sorry I dont buy it. Saying "trust me on this" without providing anything to back up your claim makes you sound like a politician.
Could they add 4k in a trash pull? Certainly.
I've seen the lightning staff tested on heavy attack builds for single target... Sorry i can't remember exactly where but i've seen the numbers.
You're right i think for the classic frag/force pulse build with an inferno staff... it might add 2k ish? that number sticks in my head for some reason.
I was actually testing a heavy attack build yesterday with a lighting staff, more for fun and perhaps a simpler alternative to the "Meta" rotation. It would certainly require a VMA staff to make it work. I was getting 3-4k less DPS on the target dummy than my normal rotation, but the numbers were still impressive and the rotation could be done by a trained monkey. I was basically using 3 skills in my rotation and the channel. It is certainly possible that you could build a more robust rotation around it to pull some pretty impressive numbers. Maybe that is what he is getting at. Whether that will actually out parse the meta, I guess I dont know.
2k is about what I saw on single target when my inferno dropped a few months ago. The AOE DPS, definitely went up more, as I use a lighting staff channel for AOE.
jakeedmundson wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »jakeedmundson wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »VMA loot is beyond awful, and it certainly has driven and will continue to drive good players away from the game.
As for a VMA staff giving 4k DPS single target, sorry I dont buy it. Saying "trust me on this" without providing anything to back up your claim makes you sound like a politician.
Could they add 4k in a trash pull? Certainly.
I've seen the lightning staff tested on heavy attack builds for single target... Sorry i can't remember exactly where but i've seen the numbers.
You're right i think for the classic frag/force pulse build with an inferno staff... it might add 2k ish? that number sticks in my head for some reason.
I was actually testing a heavy attack build yesterday with a lighting staff, more for fun and perhaps a simpler alternative to the "Meta" rotation. It would certainly require a VMA staff to make it work. I was getting 3-4k less DPS on the target dummy than my normal rotation, but the numbers were still impressive and the rotation could be done by a trained monkey. I was basically using 3 skills in my rotation and the channel. It is certainly possible that you could build a more robust rotation around it to pull some pretty impressive numbers. Maybe that is what he is getting at. Whether that will actually out parse the meta, I guess I dont know.
2k is about what I saw on single target when my inferno dropped a few months ago. The AOE DPS, definitely went up more, as I use a lighting staff channel for AOE.
Oh i don't think it would beat the meta build... but i REALLY enjoy using it on my sorc.
I just can't find a vma lightning staff to make it stronger... as of right now though, with my build i can hit 25 - 30k dps with only the power surge buff. I actually use that to farm VMA.... too bad it doesn't recognize your class/build and drop items accordingly
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »jakeedmundson wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »jakeedmundson wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »VMA loot is beyond awful, and it certainly has driven and will continue to drive good players away from the game.
As for a VMA staff giving 4k DPS single target, sorry I dont buy it. Saying "trust me on this" without providing anything to back up your claim makes you sound like a politician.
Could they add 4k in a trash pull? Certainly.
I've seen the lightning staff tested on heavy attack builds for single target... Sorry i can't remember exactly where but i've seen the numbers.
You're right i think for the classic frag/force pulse build with an inferno staff... it might add 2k ish? that number sticks in my head for some reason.
I was actually testing a heavy attack build yesterday with a lighting staff, more for fun and perhaps a simpler alternative to the "Meta" rotation. It would certainly require a VMA staff to make it work. I was getting 3-4k less DPS on the target dummy than my normal rotation, but the numbers were still impressive and the rotation could be done by a trained monkey. I was basically using 3 skills in my rotation and the channel. It is certainly possible that you could build a more robust rotation around it to pull some pretty impressive numbers. Maybe that is what he is getting at. Whether that will actually out parse the meta, I guess I dont know.
2k is about what I saw on single target when my inferno dropped a few months ago. The AOE DPS, definitely went up more, as I use a lighting staff channel for AOE.
Oh i don't think it would beat the meta build... but i REALLY enjoy using it on my sorc.
I just can't find a vma lightning staff to make it stronger... as of right now though, with my build i can hit 25 - 30k dps with only the power surge buff. I actually use that to farm VMA.... too bad it doesn't recognize your class/build and drop items accordingly
I took that build through VMA the other day. It was @Masel92 that put me on to it. Not saying its the fastest, but it's probably the easiest way to clear, and I have done it on every class, and tried darn near everything.
Stopnaggin wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »People quitting a game over a weapon makes me laugh.
has nothing to do with the specific weapon, but a total bunch of crap by ESO to BS everyone. again, again and again
same goes for the added gems to the Crown store to buy the good stuff, but have to buy the gambling boxes to get them
total BS
Get over the crown crates already. It's a tired ass old argument. Not needed in every friggin thread.
Yes rng sucks, it is a real pain, I have no idea on how they could fix it at this point. Token system? How many tokens do you need so as not to *** off those who have run it 1000+ times to get their weapons? Drop useless traits? Good but still dependant on rng. Whats the middle ground to keep everyone happy?
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »VMA loot is beyond awful, and it certainly has driven and will continue to drive good players away from the game.
As for a VMA staff giving 4k DPS single target, sorry I dont buy it. Saying "trust me on this" without providing anything to back up your claim makes you sound like a politician.
Could they add 4k in a trash pull? Certainly.
jakeedmundson wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »jakeedmundson wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »jakeedmundson wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »VMA loot is beyond awful, and it certainly has driven and will continue to drive good players away from the game.
As for a VMA staff giving 4k DPS single target, sorry I dont buy it. Saying "trust me on this" without providing anything to back up your claim makes you sound like a politician.
Could they add 4k in a trash pull? Certainly.
I've seen the lightning staff tested on heavy attack builds for single target... Sorry i can't remember exactly where but i've seen the numbers.
You're right i think for the classic frag/force pulse build with an inferno staff... it might add 2k ish? that number sticks in my head for some reason.
I was actually testing a heavy attack build yesterday with a lighting staff, more for fun and perhaps a simpler alternative to the "Meta" rotation. It would certainly require a VMA staff to make it work. I was getting 3-4k less DPS on the target dummy than my normal rotation, but the numbers were still impressive and the rotation could be done by a trained monkey. I was basically using 3 skills in my rotation and the channel. It is certainly possible that you could build a more robust rotation around it to pull some pretty impressive numbers. Maybe that is what he is getting at. Whether that will actually out parse the meta, I guess I dont know.
2k is about what I saw on single target when my inferno dropped a few months ago. The AOE DPS, definitely went up more, as I use a lighting staff channel for AOE.
Oh i don't think it would beat the meta build... but i REALLY enjoy using it on my sorc.
I just can't find a vma lightning staff to make it stronger... as of right now though, with my build i can hit 25 - 30k dps with only the power surge buff. I actually use that to farm VMA.... too bad it doesn't recognize your class/build and drop items accordingly
I took that build through VMA the other day. It was @Masel92 that put me on to it. Not saying its the fastest, but it's probably the easiest way to clear, and I have done it on every class, and tried darn near everything.
I just got my fastest run with the HA build and hit the leaderboard (527k) AND it dropped a sharpened lightning staff.... so double lucky that time.
Lets just say i won't be running vMA for a while...
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
I was actually testing a heavy attack build yesterday with a lighting staff, more for fun and perhaps a simpler alternative to the "Meta" rotation. It would certainly require a VMA staff to make it work. I was getting 3-4k less DPS on the target dummy than my normal rotation, but the numbers were still impressive and the rotation could be done by a trained monkey. I was basically using 3 skills in my rotation and the channel. It is certainly possible that you could build a more robust rotation around it to pull some pretty impressive numbers. Maybe that is what he is getting at. Whether that will actually out parse the meta, I guess I dont know.
2k is about what I saw on single target when my inferno dropped a few months ago. The AOE DPS, definitely went up more, as I use a lighting staff channel for AOE.
psychotic13 wrote: »Although 50 runs seems a lot, overall it isn't a big enough sample to get reliable statistics
Was this the pet build recently posted under Infallible? Fun build if so. It's fun, easy, and pub-proof (i.e., I can play it after a session at the pub with few mistakes)
Weapons are the current ZOS "grind by design" it doesn't matter if it's VMA , Moondancer , BSW whatever. It's the hook
Remember when it was Running WGT 50X for the bad trait Kena Helm?
Or killing Skoria for the X time for no helm again?
Nothing is changing , just stop paying.