Seraphayel wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »driosketch wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »I am just curious. If I will read a book or watch tv, while holding right trigger with my finger, will be I recognized as cheater or bot handler?
Why would you do this? Just play the game.
But, to answer your question, there was a person in here not to long ago that claimed they were playing with their toe while watching Netflix, etc. They were banned for botting, I guess.
This is why I say that it is not how you do it, but what you are doing.
So here is the thing.
Every once in a while, i have a char go to a fire and burn down my excess provisioning mats - where i have over 1000 of recipes (1000 click so 4000 portions) that can be cooked that i dont ever use etc - to get them down to 500 and then sell the products at like what 5g each to the vendor. usually can make tens of thousands but it takes a lot of click-click-click-click.
So i have sat here, clicking, while also watching netflix or google or some other stream.
Even then i thought "someone might think i am a bot cuz i have been standing here for an hour just making the ..."
never been banned. Dont expect to ever be.
but if inattention combined with repetition is cause for punishment, they should really look into a "craft multiple" option built into the main game craft UI without add-ons.
I don't know why people feel the need to lawyer the point. I remember during the bot crisis people would come in here and claim, "I'm not botting, I'm farming. I'm capable of being super percise humanly in my route, and I have chat turned off so I won't see your real person check message."
Your finger would cramp if you held the trigger for 8 hours straight, which is what we are talking about here. It's like 2:1 waiting around vs activity, sometimes longer, why would you shoot at nothing when you could give your finger a break? If you're really there you should be aware enough not to stand in the auto fire clump. Also, aren't you going to want to collect the loot as well?
People AFK in front of the bank or craft stations, all the time, there is no external animation of your actions. To be frank, it's not blatant like a group doing heavy staff attacks at an anchor.
i have chat off most days cuz visually impaired so reading it while doing stuff is basically impossible.
So there you go... another notch in the must be a bot report him category.
Do not get me wrong - no love for bots or botting or any of that - i enjoy playing.
But sometimes the cure is worse than the crime esp if witch hunts are involved where "guilt by association" and "if you are standing there its your fault" logic is sufficient to prosecute. most of the time i dont pay any attention to the other PVE players in overland stuff. i have no idea who i am standing beside or how long they have been there.
You also are not firing off a light staff attack once per second for 8 hours straight at a dolmen, without otherwise moving.
But if i am standing in beside a bunch of folks who are and a witch hunter cursors over and sees my character id are they gonna take the time to tell who is who or is it my fault for standing where they have determined guilt by association applies?
I am pretty sure ZOS is not banning people only due to one report. I think they will observe the account and maybe the player and when they happen to do this pretty often, many hours a day, they will get banned. If you're there once or twice I doubt you'll be punished at all.
Seraphayel wrote: »Botting. Please report each and every player.
reportable as possible but it could just be bored players waiting for the dolmen to spawn. If this were a dance party, no one would even consider it was botting. I've done this with 3-4 other players and it was as I stated... boredom while waiting for the dolmen to spawn. That being said... it COULD be botting.
I don't report the people standing around but the ones constantly spamming staff heavy attack and are stacked at the same spot.
Then I better make sure Im never where you are because I do that while waiting for dolmen to spawn.
In such cases where you can't tell visually the GMs should be attempting to message you. If a player fails to respond within X amount of time or after Y messages then you take action. Witch Hunters shouldn't be feared so long as you are legitimately at the game playing it. But if you're automating it and walking away... that's another story.So if i have nothing to hide i should not fear the witch hunters?
thats so reassuring.
In such cases where you can't tell visually the GMs should be attempting to message you. If a player fails to respond within X amount of time or after Y messages then you take action. Witch Hunters shouldn't be feared so long as you are legitimately at the game playing it. But if you're automating it and walking away... that's another story.So if i have nothing to hide i should not fear the witch hunters?
thats so reassuring.
In such cases where you can't tell visually the GMs should be attempting to message you. If a player fails to respond within X amount of time or after Y messages then you take action. Witch Hunters shouldn't be feared so long as you are legitimately at the game playing it. But if you're automating it and walking away... that's another story.So if i have nothing to hide i should not fear the witch hunters?
thats so reassuring.
All in all sounds like i stop running dolmen quests.
lordrichter wrote: »driosketch wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »I am just curious. If I will read a book or watch tv, while holding right trigger with my finger, will be I recognized as cheater or bot handler?
Why would you do this? Just play the game.
But, to answer your question, there was a person in here not to long ago that claimed they were playing with their toe while watching Netflix, etc. They were banned for botting, I guess.
This is why I say that it is not how you do it, but what you are doing.
So here is the thing.
Every once in a while, i have a char go to a fire and burn down my excess provisioning mats - where i have over 1000 of recipes (1000 click so 4000 portions) that can be cooked that i dont ever use etc - to get them down to 500 and then sell the products at like what 5g each to the vendor. usually can make tens of thousands but it takes a lot of click-click-click-click.
So i have sat here, clicking, while also watching netflix or google or some other stream.
Even then i thought "someone might think i am a bot cuz i have been standing here for an hour just making the ..."
never been banned. Dont expect to ever be.
but if inattention combined with repetition is cause for punishment, they should really look into a "craft multiple" option built into the main game craft UI without add-ons.
I don't know why people feel the need to lawyer the point. I remember during the bot crisis people would come in here and claim, "I'm not botting, I'm farming. I'm capable of being super percise humanly in my route, and I have chat turned off so I won't see your real person check message."
Your finger would cramp if you held the trigger for 8 hours straight, which is what we are talking about here. It's like 2:1 waiting around vs activity, sometimes longer, why would you shoot at nothing when you could give your finger a break? If you're really there you should be aware enough not to stand in the auto fire clump. Also, aren't you going to want to collect the loot as well?
People AFK in front of the bank or craft stations, all the time, there is no external animation of your actions. To be frank, it's not blatant like a group doing heavy staff attacks at an anchor.
i have chat off most days cuz visually impaired so reading it while doing stuff is basically impossible.
So there you go... another notch in the must be a bot report him category.
Do not get me wrong - no love for bots or botting or any of that - i enjoy playing.
But sometimes the cure is worse than the crime esp if witch hunts are involved where "guilt by association" and "if you are standing there its your fault" logic is sufficient to prosecute. most of the time i dont pay any attention to the other PVE players in overland stuff. i have no idea who i am standing beside or how long they have been there.
You also are not firing off a light staff attack once per second for 8 hours straight at a dolmen, without otherwise moving.
But if i am standing in beside a bunch of folks who are and a witch hunter cursors over and sees my character id are they gonna take the time to tell who is who or is it my fault for standing where they have determined guilt by association applies?
driosketch wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »driosketch wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »I am just curious. If I will read a book or watch tv, while holding right trigger with my finger, will be I recognized as cheater or bot handler?
Why would you do this? Just play the game.
But, to answer your question, there was a person in here not to long ago that claimed they were playing with their toe while watching Netflix, etc. They were banned for botting, I guess.
This is why I say that it is not how you do it, but what you are doing.
So here is the thing.
Every once in a while, i have a char go to a fire and burn down my excess provisioning mats - where i have over 1000 of recipes (1000 click so 4000 portions) that can be cooked that i dont ever use etc - to get them down to 500 and then sell the products at like what 5g each to the vendor. usually can make tens of thousands but it takes a lot of click-click-click-click.
So i have sat here, clicking, while also watching netflix or google or some other stream.
Even then i thought "someone might think i am a bot cuz i have been standing here for an hour just making the ..."
never been banned. Dont expect to ever be.
but if inattention combined with repetition is cause for punishment, they should really look into a "craft multiple" option built into the main game craft UI without add-ons.
I don't know why people feel the need to lawyer the point. I remember during the bot crisis people would come in here and claim, "I'm not botting, I'm farming. I'm capable of being super percise humanly in my route, and I have chat turned off so I won't see your real person check message."
Your finger would cramp if you held the trigger for 8 hours straight, which is what we are talking about here. It's like 2:1 waiting around vs activity, sometimes longer, why would you shoot at nothing when you could give your finger a break? If you're really there you should be aware enough not to stand in the auto fire clump. Also, aren't you going to want to collect the loot as well?
People AFK in front of the bank or craft stations, all the time, there is no external animation of your actions. To be frank, it's not blatant like a group doing heavy staff attacks at an anchor.
i have chat off most days cuz visually impaired so reading it while doing stuff is basically impossible.
So there you go... another notch in the must be a bot report him category.
Do not get me wrong - no love for bots or botting or any of that - i enjoy playing.
But sometimes the cure is worse than the crime esp if witch hunts are involved where "guilt by association" and "if you are standing there its your fault" logic is sufficient to prosecute. most of the time i dont pay any attention to the other PVE players in overland stuff. i have no idea who i am standing beside or how long they have been there.
You also are not firing off a light staff attack once per second for 8 hours straight at a dolmen, without otherwise moving.
But if i am standing in beside a bunch of folks who are and a witch hunter cursors over and sees my character id are they gonna take the time to tell who is who or is it my fault for standing where they have determined guilt by association applies?
This is what I'm talking about. Why are you trying so hard to look like a bot while claiming you are not botting?
"Are you really asking why someone with a ranged weapon would stand in a spot that allows shots at the target but is difficult or impossible for the target to get to?
I am just curious. If I will read a book or watch tv, while holding right trigger with my finger, will be I recognized as cheater or bot handler?
driosketch wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »driosketch wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »I am just curious. If I will read a book or watch tv, while holding right trigger with my finger, will be I recognized as cheater or bot handler?
Why would you do this? Just play the game.
But, to answer your question, there was a person in here not to long ago that claimed they were playing with their toe while watching Netflix, etc. They were banned for botting, I guess.
This is why I say that it is not how you do it, but what you are doing.
So here is the thing.
Every once in a while, i have a char go to a fire and burn down my excess provisioning mats - where i have over 1000 of recipes (1000 click so 4000 portions) that can be cooked that i dont ever use etc - to get them down to 500 and then sell the products at like what 5g each to the vendor. usually can make tens of thousands but it takes a lot of click-click-click-click.
So i have sat here, clicking, while also watching netflix or google or some other stream.
Even then i thought "someone might think i am a bot cuz i have been standing here for an hour just making the ..."
never been banned. Dont expect to ever be.
but if inattention combined with repetition is cause for punishment, they should really look into a "craft multiple" option built into the main game craft UI without add-ons.
I don't know why people feel the need to lawyer the point. I remember during the bot crisis people would come in here and claim, "I'm not botting, I'm farming. I'm capable of being super percise humanly in my route, and I have chat turned off so I won't see your real person check message."
Your finger would cramp if you held the trigger for 8 hours straight, which is what we are talking about here. It's like 2:1 waiting around vs activity, sometimes longer, why would you shoot at nothing when you could give your finger a break? If you're really there you should be aware enough not to stand in the auto fire clump. Also, aren't you going to want to collect the loot as well?
People AFK in front of the bank or craft stations, all the time, there is no external animation of your actions. To be frank, it's not blatant like a group doing heavy staff attacks at an anchor.
i have chat off most days cuz visually impaired so reading it while doing stuff is basically impossible.
So there you go... another notch in the must be a bot report him category.
Do not get me wrong - no love for bots or botting or any of that - i enjoy playing.
But sometimes the cure is worse than the crime esp if witch hunts are involved where "guilt by association" and "if you are standing there its your fault" logic is sufficient to prosecute. most of the time i dont pay any attention to the other PVE players in overland stuff. i have no idea who i am standing beside or how long they have been there.
You also are not firing off a light staff attack once per second for 8 hours straight at a dolmen, without otherwise moving.
But if i am standing in beside a bunch of folks who are and a witch hunter cursors over and sees my character id are they gonna take the time to tell who is who or is it my fault for standing where they have determined guilt by association applies?
This is what I'm talking about. Why are you trying so hard to look like a bot while claiming you are not botting?
Are you really asking why someone with a ranged weapon would stand in a spot that allows shots at the target but is difficult or impossible for the target to get to?
really?
c'mon?
Obviously if i had nothing to hide i wouldn't be choosing such a position.
Right?
and why dont i check my chat window often enough?
or dance emote?
surely something must be amiss - call the inquisition.
if you dunk a botter underwater is it that if they drown they were innocent or the reverse? i forget.
and surely anyone who posts questioning the witch hunt... they must have something to hide too...
driosketch wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »driosketch wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »I am just curious. If I will read a book or watch tv, while holding right trigger with my finger, will be I recognized as cheater or bot handler?
Why would you do this? Just play the game.
But, to answer your question, there was a person in here not to long ago that claimed they were playing with their toe while watching Netflix, etc. They were banned for botting, I guess.
This is why I say that it is not how you do it, but what you are doing.
So here is the thing.
Every once in a while, i have a char go to a fire and burn down my excess provisioning mats - where i have over 1000 of recipes (1000 click so 4000 portions) that can be cooked that i dont ever use etc - to get them down to 500 and then sell the products at like what 5g each to the vendor. usually can make tens of thousands but it takes a lot of click-click-click-click.
So i have sat here, clicking, while also watching netflix or google or some other stream.
Even then i thought "someone might think i am a bot cuz i have been standing here for an hour just making the ..."
never been banned. Dont expect to ever be.
but if inattention combined with repetition is cause for punishment, they should really look into a "craft multiple" option built into the main game craft UI without add-ons.
I don't know why people feel the need to lawyer the point. I remember during the bot crisis people would come in here and claim, "I'm not botting, I'm farming. I'm capable of being super percise humanly in my route, and I have chat turned off so I won't see your real person check message."
Your finger would cramp if you held the trigger for 8 hours straight, which is what we are talking about here. It's like 2:1 waiting around vs activity, sometimes longer, why would you shoot at nothing when you could give your finger a break? If you're really there you should be aware enough not to stand in the auto fire clump. Also, aren't you going to want to collect the loot as well?
People AFK in front of the bank or craft stations, all the time, there is no external animation of your actions. To be frank, it's not blatant like a group doing heavy staff attacks at an anchor.
i have chat off most days cuz visually impaired so reading it while doing stuff is basically impossible.
So there you go... another notch in the must be a bot report him category.
Do not get me wrong - no love for bots or botting or any of that - i enjoy playing.
But sometimes the cure is worse than the crime esp if witch hunts are involved where "guilt by association" and "if you are standing there its your fault" logic is sufficient to prosecute. most of the time i dont pay any attention to the other PVE players in overland stuff. i have no idea who i am standing beside or how long they have been there.
You also are not firing off a light staff attack once per second for 8 hours straight at a dolmen, without otherwise moving.
But if i am standing in beside a bunch of folks who are and a witch hunter cursors over and sees my character id are they gonna take the time to tell who is who or is it my fault for standing where they have determined guilt by association applies?
This is what I'm talking about. Why are you trying so hard to look like a bot while claiming you are not botting?
Are you really asking why someone with a ranged weapon would stand in a spot that allows shots at the target but is difficult or impossible for the target to get to?
really?
c'mon?
Obviously if i had nothing to hide i wouldn't be choosing such a position.
Right?
and why dont i check my chat window often enough?
or dance emote?
surely something must be amiss - call the inquisition.
if you dunk a botter underwater is it that if they drown they were innocent or the reverse? i forget.
and surely anyone who posts questioning the witch hunt... they must have something to hide too...
Zorgon_The_Revenged wrote: »OMG, there's a GM dressed as Sheogorath zapping players with The Wabbajack, laughing insanely as he sends them to the log in screen ...............that I would love to see.
Back during the Stonefalls instantly respawning jute bug, when every jute node had about half a dozen bots parked at it endlessly spamming the harvest command, I used to pull netches on top of them to AOE them to death. It was great fun, and actually there were a bunch of people doing that.SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »There is a thread on the Reddit page were a guy is doing his part to kite enemies over to the bots and get them to engage the AFK toons. I think this is great and we should all do our best to make this a common occurrence. If their efforts are undermined by the community perhaps they will stop, some improvement anyway.
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They are not bots! And it's not a macros-using!
How can you say so?
It's just a brick accidentially stuck on the controller's 'fire' button.Botting is about robots. Brick on the button is not a robot. ))One thing I want to make it clear is that there is no difference between botting with another program or just holding down a button on your keyboard/gamepad with a rubberband or something. Botting isnt about technology.
maltinkilic wrote: »Depends on if the brick is manufactured manually or with an automation process within a plant. There are billions of brocks on the world and it is hard to produce that much manually. So somewhere in the process of these heavy attacks industroalosation and aome softeare programming is used. I say it is botting.
Cherryblossom wrote: »This is fairly common in the starter area's now.
There are many in PVP running around using the CE again now, so I'd assume ZOS changed something recently that has allowed them to return.
Nobody would complain about that you do at crafting station as its no way to know and you don't affect anybody.lordrichter wrote: »I am just curious. If I will read a book or watch tv, while holding right trigger with my finger, will be I recognized as cheater or bot handler?
Why would you do this? Just play the game.
But, to answer your question, there was a person in here not to long ago that claimed they were playing with their toe while watching Netflix, etc. They were banned for botting, I guess.
This is why I say that it is not how you do it, but what you are doing.
So here is the thing.
Every once in a while, i have a char go to a fire and burn down my excess provisioning mats - where i have over 1000 of recipes (1000 click so 4000 portions) that can be cooked that i dont ever use etc - to get them down to 500 and then sell the products at like what 5g each to the vendor. usually can make tens of thousands but it takes a lot of click-click-click-click.
So i have sat here, clicking, while also watching netflix or google or some other stream.
Even then i thought "someone might think i am a bot cuz i have been standing here for an hour just making the ..."
never been banned. Dont expect to ever be.
but if inattention combined with repetition is cause for punishment, they should really look into a "craft multiple" option built into the main game craft UI without add-ons.
AdamskiAlders wrote: »Didn't even realise this was a thing on consoles but I just checked out that Vukhel Guard Dolmen with an Alt at 4.45am UK/GMT just now and there is at least 15 of them all grouped out spamming heavy attacks and Clannfaers. I don't know if they are all bots or cheats or whatever the correct terminology is(I'm a console gamer unaware of most PC lingo) but they are there. Weird thing is a lot of them don't have actual character names just a jumbled group of random consonants thrown together, a space and then a smaller group of consonants jumbled together as the character's surname.
AdamskiAlders wrote: »Didn't even realise this was a thing on consoles but I just checked out that Vukhel Guard Dolmen with an Alt at 4.45am UK/GMT just now and there is at least 15 of them all grouped out spamming heavy attacks and Clannfaers. I don't know if they are all bots or cheats or whatever the correct terminology is(I'm a console gamer unaware of most PC lingo) but they are there. Weird thing is a lot of them don't have actual character names just a jumbled group of random consonants thrown together, a space and then a smaller group of consonants jumbled together as the character's surname.
PS4 NA. They also appear in Camlorn, killing the endless spawn of werewolves. They had gibberish names and new psn accounts. Their levels ranged from 5 to cp 320.
Bots on pc tend to use programs who interfere with the games code, much like skyirm script extender.AdamskiAlders wrote: »Didn't even realise this was a thing on consoles but I just checked out that Vukhel Guard Dolmen with an Alt at 4.45am UK/GMT just now and there is at least 15 of them all grouped out spamming heavy attacks and Clannfaers. I don't know if they are all bots or cheats or whatever the correct terminology is(I'm a console gamer unaware of most PC lingo) but they are there. Weird thing is a lot of them don't have actual character names just a jumbled group of random consonants thrown together, a space and then a smaller group of consonants jumbled together as the character's surname.