Should racial passives be changed for the expansion?

Kaide

Should racial passives be changed for the expansion?

Lyserus

Yes

imperial needs to be hybrid

Replace red diamond to something magicka skill. name is cool though so it can stay.

BigBragg

Why?

KochDerDamonen

[Warning: talking about racial passives in terms of what they point towards, I wholly advocate picking a race one enjoys so don't even start that with me ]

They're pretty balanced as-is. Main issues I can take with passives as they are right now:

With Warden coming it might be apt timing to give the Nords bonus Frost damage dealt, rebuild the Altmer passive to focus on lightning the same way the Dunmer's focuses on fire? It's an odd-ball, and not really a complaint, but it would create a sense of consistency.

You basically have combined sustain, defense, and damage PvP race(s)(Argonian/Breton, Bosmer/Orc), a middleground sustain and damage safe choice (Altmer, Redguard), and focused PvE DPS (Dunmer, Khajiit) choice. Imperial is okay for stamina but it mostly leaves you a lump of max stats, Nord IMO is a beefier and lower utility/damage orc, I would argue these two (and Argonian) are "tank" races for how much they give up in favor of effective hp. Dunmer is alright because they have their fire and stam/mag things going on, Orcs are Grade-A with their "berserker" inspired utilities, Argonians have an interesting sort-of-active passive going on, Redguard and Imperial are almost there with returns on-hit, the stealth boon on the Bosmer and Khajiit are okay in terms of intrigue, and the remaining races (Breton, Altmer, Nord) are absolutely bland.
I don't even know what to suggest there, it just feels incorrect to me that there's so much bland "+x% to [stat]" in the passives, and all focused towards one resource for the most part.

Kaide

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

[Warning: talking about racial passives in terms of what they point towards, I wholly advocate picking a race one enjoys so don't even start that with me ]

They're pretty balanced as-is. Main issues I can take with passives as they are right now:

With Warden coming it might be apt timing to give the Nords bonus Frost damage dealt, rebuild the Altmer passive to focus on lightning the same way the Dunmer's focuses on fire? It's an odd-ball, and not really a complaint, but it would create a sense of consistency.

You basically have combined sustain, defense, and damage PvP race(s)(Argonian/Breton, Bosmer/Orc), a middleground sustain and damage safe choice (Altmer, Redguard), and focused PvE DPS (Dunmer, Khajiit) choice. Imperial is okay for stamina but it mostly leaves you a lump of max stats, Nord IMO is a beefier and lower utility/damage orc, I would argue these two (and Argonian) are "tank" races for how much they give up in favor of effective hp. Dunmer is alright because they have their fire and stam/mag things going on, Orcs are Grade-A with their "berserker" inspired utilities, Argonians have an interesting sort-of-active passive going on, Redguard and Imperial are almost there with returns on-hit, the stealth boon on the Bosmer and Khajiit are okay in terms of intrigue, and the remaining races (Breton, Altmer, Nord) are absolutely bland.
I don't even know what to suggest there, it just feels incorrect to me that there's so much bland "+x% to [stat]" in the passives, and all focused towards one resource for the most part.

What about Bretons focusing on lightning instead of Altmer?

Jitterbug

I'm finally after 3 years content with my argonian passives... please don't touch!

Runschei

let the lizards swim faster!

leepalmer95

No

Kaide wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

[Warning: talking about racial passives in terms of what they point towards, I wholly advocate picking a race one enjoys so don't even start that with me ]

They're pretty balanced as-is. Main issues I can take with passives as they are right now:

With Warden coming it might be apt timing to give the Nords bonus Frost damage dealt, rebuild the Altmer passive to focus on lightning the same way the Dunmer's focuses on fire? It's an odd-ball, and not really a complaint, but it would create a sense of consistency.

You basically have combined sustain, defense, and damage PvP race(s)(Argonian/Breton, Bosmer/Orc), a middleground sustain and damage safe choice (Altmer, Redguard), and focused PvE DPS (Dunmer, Khajiit) choice. Imperial is okay for stamina but it mostly leaves you a lump of max stats, Nord IMO is a beefier and lower utility/damage orc, I would argue these two (and Argonian) are "tank" races for how much they give up in favor of effective hp. Dunmer is alright because they have their fire and stam/mag things going on, Orcs are Grade-A with their "berserker" inspired utilities, Argonians have an interesting sort-of-active passive going on, Redguard and Imperial are almost there with returns on-hit, the stealth boon on the Bosmer and Khajiit are okay in terms of intrigue, and the remaining races (Breton, Altmer, Nord) are absolutely bland.
I don't even know what to suggest there, it just feels incorrect to me that there's so much bland "+x% to [stat]" in the passives, and all focused towards one resource for the most part.

What about Bretons focusing on lightning instead of Altmer?

Altmer doesn't focus on lightning, it focus's on all?

Imryll

No

I voted no, but I do think it would be interesting to give Bosmer a bonus to pet damage.

Runschei

Imryll wrote: »

I voted no, but I do think it would be interesting to give Bosmer a bonus to pet damage.

Bonus to pet damage? tell me more please

OtarTheMad

No

No, just no.

DRXHarbinger

Altmer shock damage only and breton magic damage only. Been asked before for Breton but zos said no iirc. Quite recently too.

But how about a new race rather than reworking them all to suit one class?

MLGProPlayer

No

Why? Race isn't something you can change for free. Some of us picked race for min-max reasons. Changing the passives would screw us over.

LordTareq

Yes

They all need to be changed to being more flavor rather than providing very noticable main stat increases. Feeling handicapped for picking the wrong race/class/role combination is just silly.

Nerouyn

This is a stupid poll.

Changed how?

I don't like them in their current state but they could be changed to be even worse.

Tommy_The_Gun

Yes

I always thought they should add racial passives "morphs" - so you could adjust those passives to your playstale.

Dracindo

No

Sure thing:
- Swap Argonian swim speed with able to fight while swimming.

When you say "Change racial passives", I immediatly fear that Argonians will be nerfed and they will be the laughing race of this world, again.
Don't touch my passives. I'm happy with who I am.

zaria

LordTareq wrote: »

They all need to be changed to being more flavor rather than providing very noticable main stat increases. Feeling handicapped for picking the wrong race/class/role combination is just silly.

An good argument, racial passives was created then we had soft cap on stats.
This made racials pretty redundant in end game, same as in other elder scroll games.
With no caps this is changed, changing it from main stats to flavor is the easiest way to solve this.

zaria

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Why? Race isn't something you can change for free. Some of us picked race for min-max reasons. Changing the passives would screw us over.

An change is likely to reduce the min/max benefit not turn it around.
It was an overall nerf you would not have any reason to change to another race.

KeiruNicrom

Yes

all I want is a racial ability or memento like effect to be added to each race. Nothing that would change combat really. Just a little more flavour for the sake of diversity

Gandrhulf_Harbard

No

No.

Because unless they add in a Race Change mechanic all changing the Passives does is steal all the effort, time and commitment you've put into a Character - and likely make you end up needing to start again if you are one of those players who tries to squeeze out every last bit of efficiency.

All The Best

Bigevilpeter

Yes

Redguard passive so OP, makes all other stamina races look bad, it needs to be adjusted. Khajihts needs anything for PvP like a 6% max stamina or something.

Otherwise everything else is fine

Turelus

Changed how? I need context on what I am voting for before I vote.

Changed as in balanced a bit, changed as in entirely changed, changed as in removed benefits entirely and just fluff traits?

Tommy_The_Gun

Yes

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Redguard passive so OP, makes all other stamina races look bad, it needs to be adjusted. Khajihts needs anything for PvP like a 6% max stamina or something.

Otherwise everything else is fine

The same way argonians have 3% bonus to max magicka. They should also have 3% bonus to max stamina, or just a bonus to magicka or stamina (whatever stat is higer).

Bigevilpeter

Yes

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Redguard passive so OP, makes all other stamina races look bad, it needs to be adjusted. Khajihts needs anything for PvP like a 6% max stamina or something.

Otherwise everything else is fine

The same way argonians have 3% bonus to max magicka. They should also have 3% bonus to max stamina, or just a bonus to magicka or stamina (whatever stat is higer).

They have a lot of other good passives for pvp and pve, magika or stamina, the 3% max stat doesnt really make any difference anyways

hmsdragonfly

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Why? Race isn't something you can change for free. Some of us picked race for min-max reasons. Changing the passives would screw us over.

Hehe screw all the min-maxers, lets change everything!

hmsdragonfly

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

[Warning: talking about racial passives in terms of what they point towards, I wholly advocate picking a race one enjoys so don't even start that with me ]

They're pretty balanced as-is. Main issues I can take with passives as they are right now:

With Warden coming it might be apt timing to give the Nords bonus Frost damage dealt, rebuild the Altmer passive to focus on lightning the same way the Dunmer's focuses on fire? It's an odd-ball, and not really a complaint, but it would create a sense of consistency.

You basically have combined sustain, defense, and damage PvP race(s)(Argonian/Breton, Bosmer/Orc), a middleground sustain and damage safe choice (Altmer, Redguard), and focused PvE DPS (Dunmer, Khajiit) choice. Imperial is okay for stamina but it mostly leaves you a lump of max stats, Nord IMO is a beefier and lower utility/damage orc, I would argue these two (and Argonian) are "tank" races for how much they give up in favor of effective hp. Dunmer is alright because they have their fire and stam/mag things going on, Orcs are Grade-A with their "berserker" inspired utilities, Argonians have an interesting sort-of-active passive going on, Redguard and Imperial are almost there with returns on-hit, the stealth boon on the Bosmer and Khajiit are okay in terms of intrigue, and the remaining races (Breton, Altmer, Nord) are absolutely bland.
I don't even know what to suggest there, it just feels incorrect to me that there's so much bland "+x% to [stat]" in the passives, and all focused towards one resource for the most part.

Giving Nords bonus to Frost damage is a terrible idea.
Lore-wise, Nords are well known for being strong warriors, they never like magic. It's like giving Redguards bonus to magic damage lul.
Stats-wise, other passives don't play well with a magicka build. Stam bonus? Um oh.

JWKe

No

Explain your reasoning behind suggesting a racial change. You can't just create a borderline flame bait post without a valid reason.

alexkdd99

No

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

No.

Because unless they add in a Race Change mechanic all changing the Passives does is steal all the effort, time and commitment you've put into a Character - and likely make you end up needing to start again if you are one of those players who tries to squeeze out every last bit of efficiency.

All The Best

Ummmm they do have race change tokens in crown store. Although I am still against them changing passives. I am also against them changing passives to give more flavor instead of usefulness.

AdamBourke

No

My poor Argonian doesn't need to be even weaker!

Tasear

Wait, I change my mind

Why don't bosmer get a passive for using pets or just nature ones ...Since they are wood elves.

Let just add a new passive unlocked when you reach a certain CP.