Should racial passives be changed for the expansion?

grannas211 · February 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

High Elf and Redguard still tower over the other races for most magicka and stamina builds respectively.

Nord, Orc, Imperial, Breton, Khajiit, Bosmer and Argonian could be buffed a bit more.

@IcyDeadPeople

Altmer is BiS for magika sorc only due to the heavy use of both fire and shock.

Dunmer for the other 3 mag classes since the elemental damage they do is either all fire or mostly fire. Altmer is a good second Breton is a good third choice.

Khajiit is BiS for stam going for max damage. Redguard is a good second but it's best claim to fame is best for stam sustain while in melee.

Also Wood Elf is a nice ganker race

Marktoneth3 · February 2017

Yes

The very first racial passive should be change

IcyDeadPeople · February 2017

Yes

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

High Elf and Redguard still tower over the other races for most magicka and stamina builds respectively.

Nord, Orc, Imperial, Breton, Khajiit, Bosmer and Argonian could be buffed a bit more.

@IcyDeadPeople

Altmer is BiS for magika sorc only due to the heavy use of both fire and shock.

Dunmer for the other 3 mag classes since the elemental damage they do is either all fire or mostly fire. Altmer is a good second Breton is a good third choice.

Khajiit is BiS for stam going for max damage. Redguard is a good second but it's best claim to fame is best for stam sustain while in melee.

Can't comment on PVE builds as I have almost no experience at all with endgame PVE.

In PVP, however, the high elf recovery + max offensive stat + elemental damage makes them the top race option for nearly any magicka build excluding magDK, healer or vicious death bomb build. Same is true for Redguard and most stamina builds.

These two races have been a bit too strong compared to the others for a long time, even after improvements to various races with Update 11.

mb10 · February 2017

No

Passive changes, class changes, alliances changes threads popping up recently...

MAKE A NEW CHARACTER

idk · February 2017

No

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

Why?

Because no racial passive should give one race such a clear advantage that raiding guilds will only allow those races. This is the only game where I have seen this come up.

@DMuehlhausen

I've seen khajiit healers and magika dps in competitive raidIng guilds and actually raidIng with them. That's the antithesis of BiS.

Even with top core teams what really matters is numbers and lack of deaths. If you can get it done with a unique style it doesn't really matter.

Sure it shouldn't matter, and if people can stay alive is all that should matter and do the right thing. However there have been posts on here that have stating about being kicked from even PuG dungeon runs because they are not the optimal race / class combo.

@DMuehlhausen

Yes. I've seen those threads as well and it's unfortunate that average players behave in such a manner and kick people based merely off perception be actual skill.

Castagere · February 2017

Yes

Heck they shouldn't even be that important in a mmo. A single player game maybe. That's the problem with this game. You either use magic or stamina. You can't do both well. It goes against what a tes game is and that's about freedom to play your way. You really can't do that here.

Artis · February 2017

Yes

Osteos wrote: »

The only race that could use some adjusting is Breton. If anyone they should get the bonus to cold damage.

To magic damage. Cold is for tanks now. Well, maybe magic a lot and other elements lower (kinda like dunmer and altmer), but yes, they should have a magic damage bonus to bring them on par with altmer and dunmer.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · February 2017

Yes

The Khajiit need a Attribute bonus, health would be fine. This is needed.

For those who ask why? the reason is The Khajiit are the only race in the game without a Attribute bonus. Don't believe me go look it up....

Alandauron · February 2017

Yes

I personally think there should be some things that are the same but it would be nice to either see additional passives(1 or 2) or see a couple of them changed up with the expansion. I would prefer the former so that you can keep the existing passives, but changing up 2-3 of the passives might be a nice way to mix things up.

BeardedOrphan · February 2017

Yes

I would like to see them change Breton or another magika race to give them a bonus to magika damage instead of just flame, frost, shock.

Anhedonie · February 2017

No

Don't fix what isn't broken.

xboxNA corin6 · February 2017

Make every race have a unique health, stamina, and magicka racials. Make it to were you can only attune to one set of racial bonuses at a time. Every race has their warriors, casters, and rogues. If I was an altmer, but grew up taking sword lessons my whole life, is my blood really that enchanted to still make me better at casting? Meh. Mabye make some in-game ritual, that allows some kind of exchange of blood, allowing any racial on any race. Just throwing ideas here.

idk · February 2017

No

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

The Khajiit need a Attribute bonus, health would be fine. This is needed.

For those who ask why? the reason is The Khajiit are the only race in the game without a Attribute bonus. Don't believe me go look it up....

@whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Done. The 8% weapon crit has been changed to 10% max Stam per hour requests Enjoy the reduced dps.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · February 2017

Yes

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

The Khajiit need a Attribute bonus, health would be fine. This is needed.

For those who ask why? the reason is The Khajiit are the only race in the game without a Attribute bonus. Don't believe me go look it up....

@whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Done. The 8% weapon crit has been changed to 10% max Stam per hour requests Enjoy the reduced dps.

nah, Khajiit need to keep the Racial Carnage, they just need a small Attribute bonus like a 5% Heath Attribute bonus instead of their Health recovery bonus.. then all done..

idk · February 2017

No

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

The Khajiit need a Attribute bonus, health would be fine. This is needed.

For those who ask why? the reason is The Khajiit are the only race in the game without a Attribute bonus. Don't believe me go look it up....

@whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Done. The 8% weapon crit has been changed to 10% max Stam per hour requests Enjoy the reduced dps.

nah, Khajiit need to keep the Racial Carnage, they just need a small Attribute bonus like a 5% Heath Attribute bonus instead of their Health recovery bonus.. then all done..

@whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

great idea. Reduce crit to 4% and provide 5% added health.

Cously · February 2017

Yes

I just want passives to be normalized on all races. Make all health bonuses 10% instead of 9% or 12% for instance.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · February 2017

Yes

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

The Khajiit need a Attribute bonus, health would be fine. This is needed.

For those who ask why? the reason is The Khajiit are the only race in the game without a Attribute bonus. Don't believe me go look it up....

@whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Done. The 8% weapon crit has been changed to 10% max Stam per hour requests Enjoy the reduced dps.

nah, Khajiit need to keep the Racial Carnage, they just need a small Attribute bonus like a 5% Heath Attribute bonus instead of their Health recovery bonus.. then all done..

@whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

great idea. Reduce crit to 4% and provide 5% added health.

Dude your not listening, Carnage stays the same, health attribute bonus of 5% instead of the Health Recovery Bonus. Done. I wont talk about this any further with you as you seem to be just Trolling..

hmsdragonfly · February 2017

dday3six wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Overall races are in a pretty good place at present.

Lyserus wrote: »

imperial needs to be hybrid

How about no to radically changing a race that was sold separately to us. While we're at it, how about realizing that even if that happened to Imperials it would not change the viability of hybrids. Unless numerous systems within the game are altered hybrids would continue to be bottom tier.

It's not limited only be race choice. Stats beyond max resource pool such weapon/spell power, weapon/spell CHC, and even CP bonuses are split between Magicka and Stamina. Weapons scale with either Stamina or Magicka, gear favors increases for one or the other as well.

It's split like this because both are meant to offer a different balance of strengths and weaknesses. In order for hybrids to be able to complete against Stamina and Magicka builds the systems in place to keep them separated would need to be removed. Which on the same hand removes the choice of being either Stamina or Magicka.

End of the day it's either Stamina or Magicka builds, or all Hybrids. All 3 cannot exist in ESO and each be equally viable.

You are missing the point. The point is, you will be able to build your Imperial either Magicka or Stamina, right now the Imperials are a pure-Stamina race, while lore-wise, the Imperials are decent at magic.

Off-topic, with Pelinals set, a hybrid build which is built correctly is pretty decent (sure, pure builds still have some advantages though).

This was what I responded to:

Lyserus wrote: »

imperial needs to be hybrid

By hybrid they literally mean a mix of Stamina and Magicka damage dealing skills. Not either or. I know this because the poster has stated as much in other threads.

I don't care what Lyserus said in other threads, right now the idea of making Imperials hybrid is a good idea. It simply means that you can build your Imperial either stam or mag. Example, they have bonus to mag regen and max stam. Something like that.

hmsdragonfly · February 2017

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Yes, just remove the racial passives altogether and adjust the non-racial skill lines accordingly. Racial choice should be purely cosmetic.

Nope, that's not how an Elder Scrolls game works. Lore is important to the series, so please, we don't want 300,000 redguard magsorcs.

SnubbS · February 2017

Yes

Buff Lizards!

Parasaurolophus · February 2017

Yes

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Yes, just remove the racial passives altogether and adjust the non-racial skill lines accordingly. Racial choice should be purely cosmetic.

Nope, that's not how an Elder Scrolls game works. Lore is important to the series, so please, we don't want 300,000 redguard magsorcs.

What wrong? And how Shalidor and orc librarian Winterhold? Common...
For ballance, all races need 3 passives - for damage, sustain and protection, without reference to the magic or stamina.

Tommy_The_Gun · February 2017

Yes

mb10 wrote: »

Passive changes, class changes, alliances changes threads popping up recently...

MAKE A NEW CHARACTER

... And gather 300 skill points again and level up all skill lines and unlock Werewolf or Vamp again...

I only have 24H days available for me, and at best I can use 12H of them. I am not using prenium account so I have no acces to 48 H days.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2017

No

No because they're now charging for race changes.
If we couldn't change or if there wasn't a real money charge then it's O K.

Now you deal with ppl wanting free race changes or free change back at least.

dsalter · February 2017

No

they need a tiny tweak but otherwise the true enemy is how strong CP is.

BlazingDynamo · February 2017

Yes

Just the Imperial race please.

srfrogg23 · February 2017

Yes

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Yes, just remove the racial passives altogether and adjust the non-racial skill lines accordingly. Racial choice should be purely cosmetic.

Nope, that's not how an Elder Scrolls game works. Lore is important to the series, so please, we don't want 300,000 redguard magsorcs.

Lore can exist just fine without endgame stats being tied to a player's first decision in the game.

I don't care if there are 300,000 redguard magsorcs running around. None of my business what other people want their characters to look like.

What do you have against redguards?

Tapio75 · February 2017

No

Racials are fine as they are.

Now all i want is the racial abilities that belong to them.

Vanthras79 · February 2017

Yes

LordTareq wrote: »

They all need to be changed to being more flavor rather than providing very noticable main stat increases. Feeling handicapped for picking the wrong race/class/role combination is just silly.

I think passives should be based on a race's theology rather than biology. If Khajiit want to be better spell caster they could put points into something like "Follower of Magrus". You would have passives available for all of the traits (max magicka, max stamina, health, all kinds of regen, etc.) that the different races have but have them available to all of the races and not locked behind a particular race. The passives would of course be lore-friendly, and would open up more possibilites in game (i.e. non-high elf mag. sorc.)

Just an idea.

Cadbury · February 2017

No

Unless you want to completely remove them, then no.

Sinthrax · February 2017

No

When will you people that run poles for this and the crafting bag being free understand that you are in the minority. I don't think I have ever seen a pole for either that said yes.