New keep and resource capture ticks are BROKEN!!!!!!

asneakybanana

2 organized guilds on different factions can farm 250k+ ap/hr by going to a remote keep w/ 12 people each and just sieging the walls down and then flipping the keep while the other guild takes the resources then once the guild sieging the keep takes it they leave the walls down and run out to the resources while the other guild runs inside the keep and captures it. You can do one of these cycles in ~3 minutes and you make at least 12.5k ap w/ the ap buff for every cycle. That means a guild does this for 4 hours and they've made 1m+ ap. Absolutely disgusting.

As someone who views himself as a decent AP farmer I cap out at around 120k ap/hr over the course of an entire hour so a group doing this w/o doing any fighting at all will be making more than double that. I personally think that keeps should be worth 1.5k ap, and resources should be worth 500 ap. Resources will still be 20x more ap when you take them than before and keeps will be 15x more ap than before but the current values CANNOT STAY. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler please address this ASAP

lostavalon

lol i knew something like this could be possible to do the momment they said they were changing the values, not even sure why they boosted them so high =/

Mako1132

I think anyone with a brain saw this coming.

DannyLV702

This is what zos catering to pve'ers is like

asneakybanana

Mako1132 wrote: »

I think anyone with a brain saw this coming.

I saw it coming but didnt really think it would happen until some ad GM whispered me asking if haxus wanted to partake. It's just sad that ZoS cant see past their noses and see this coming.

Gilvoth

THIS IS WHY WE CANT HAVE NICE THINGS!

DocFrost72

The intent was good- get PvPers to focus objectives. Players will take advantage of any system in place. Were there not a dozen threads about emp boosting before this patch?

Just a thought from an opposing view, no salt and no venom intended.

asneakybanana

DocFrost72 wrote: »

The intent was good- get PvPers to focus objectives. Players will take advantage of any system in place. Were there not a dozen threads about emp boosting before this patch?

Just a thought from an opposing view, no salt and no venom intended.

I know the intentions were good but they can be just as good by reducing the ap gained from taking these things by 4x. as i mentioned thats still 15-20x more than before.

Elong

LOL

pcar944

and there's more but I am not sharing

the sad part is - giving that much AP for resource/keep etc is so nice because it lets people earn AP/rank etc and potentially creates small scale

on the other hand, you can have a raid of 24 people just roaming Cyrodil capping resources

josh.lackey_ESO

asneakybanana wrote: »

2 organized guilds on different factions can farm 250k+ ap/hr by going to a remote keep w/ 12 people each and just sieging the walls down and then flipping the keep while the other guild takes the resources then once the guild sieging the keep takes it they leave the walls down and run out to the resources while the other guild runs inside the keep and captures it. You can do one of these cycles in ~3 minutes and you make at least 12.5k ap w/ the ap buff for every cycle. That means a guild does this for 4 hours and they've made 1m+ ap. Absolutely disgusting.

As someone who views himself as a decent AP farmer I cap out at around 120k ap/hr over the course of an entire hour so a group doing this w/o doing any fighting at all will be making more than double that. I personally think that keeps should be worth 1.5k ap, and resources should be worth 500 ap. Resources will still be 20x more ap when you take them than before and keeps will be 15x more ap than before but the current values CANNOT STAY. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler please address this ASAP

Someone in Haxus complaining about AP farming. Destro ult stack guildmember complaining about abusing something "BROKEN". Haha. Hahahah.

Let them go flip Drakelowe over and over again. If it keeps them from stacking destro ults and lagging out the server then more power to them. Why don't you take Haxus and go wipe them if it offends you so much? I know, because you prefer to roll over pugs zergs and not "organized guilds" because you'd probably get exposed.

Xsorus

If a keep like this gets flipped over and over that quickly...the Rest of the Faction is going to notice and investigate

arkansas_ESO

I thought Brian said you'd only get the extra AP if you killed somebody at the resource/keep? Seems like it's bugged atm.

Sanct16

It was quite obvious that it will get exploited but at this point I don't really care anymore. There is no use for AP anyway so people will not bother exploiting it for too long. Grand Overlord doesn't mean anything either since the AP increase...

So whatever... In 4 months we get Battlegrounds

Talcyndl

Any large scale farming of this will get old fast. Even trading AP for gear to sell probably wouldn't be more efficient than various PvE gold farming.

What I do see happening over the long term though is spreading people out to multiple resources and creating more small scale fights. One can hope at least.

asneakybanana

Xsorus wrote: »

If a keep like this gets flipped over and over that quickly...the Rest of the Faction is going to notice and investigate

and then they join in on the derp.

asneakybanana

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

2 organized guilds on different factions can farm 250k+ ap/hr by going to a remote keep w/ 12 people each and just sieging the walls down and then flipping the keep while the other guild takes the resources then once the guild sieging the keep takes it they leave the walls down and run out to the resources while the other guild runs inside the keep and captures it. You can do one of these cycles in ~3 minutes and you make at least 12.5k ap w/ the ap buff for every cycle. That means a guild does this for 4 hours and they've made 1m+ ap. Absolutely disgusting.

As someone who views himself as a decent AP farmer I cap out at around 120k ap/hr over the course of an entire hour so a group doing this w/o doing any fighting at all will be making more than double that. I personally think that keeps should be worth 1.5k ap, and resources should be worth 500 ap. Resources will still be 20x more ap when you take them than before and keeps will be 15x more ap than before but the current values CANNOT STAY. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler please address this ASAP

Someone in Haxus complaining about AP farming. Destro ult stack guildmember complaining about abusing something "BROKEN". Haha. Hahahah.

Let them go flip Drakelowe over and over again. If it keeps them from stacking destro ults and lagging out the server then more power to them. Why don't you take Haxus and go wipe them if it offends you so much? I know, because you prefer to roll over pugs zergs and not "organized guilds" because you'd probably get exposed.

Who are you O.o Haxus makes ap by actually playing the game rather than just running in circles over and over lol.

Talcyndl

asneakybanana wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

If a keep like this gets flipped over and over that quickly...the Rest of the Faction is going to notice and investigate

and then they join in on the derp.

Also called fights.

"You can't fight in here. This is Cyrodiil!"

asneakybanana

Talcyndl wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

If a keep like this gets flipped over and over that quickly...the Rest of the Faction is going to notice and investigate

and then they join in on the derp.

Also called fights.

"You can't fight in here. This is Cyrodiil!"

the derp as in running in circles and just continuously standing on flags while killing guards and not "fighting" any other players.

maxjapank

asneakybanana wrote: »

I saw it coming but didnt really think it would happen until some ad GM whispered me asking if haxus wanted to partake

There are times I wish that names could be shared. I would really like to know exactly who would whisper another guild to take part in exploiting the system. Even if ZOS opened the door for this to happen, guild leaders and players should have more respect for not engaging into this kind of behavior.

Anazasi

asneakybanana wrote: »

Mako1132 wrote: »

I think anyone with a brain saw this coming.

I saw it coming but didnt really think it would happen until some ad GM whispered me asking if haxus wanted to partake. It's just sad that ZoS cant see past their noses and see this coming.

lol I didn't ask you to partake I told you this is how to do it. You are so caught up in your little "i'm the best world" that you cant even see the mechanics.

So in an effort to force players to stop raid stacking ZOS thought outside the box. Good for them; its about dam time. Why allow an entire faction to sit at Alessia making it necessary for the entire AD faction to stack raids to take it back. The reward is not how well you can defend 1 keep the reward is how well you can defend 6. You should stop surfing with your elite 16 man groups inside 50 other EP just to claim your "gud". This is a bold move by ZOS to address the stacking issue. Don't get upset, I know change is hard for some players, especially when they have spent so much time working out the 1 perfect build that when stacked with 16 others make them an unstoppable ulti bomb group. The game has hundreds of builds and possibilities that every player can play a unique build and contribute to the map and game.

As I told you, which I know you do not share the same respect for me, You are part of the elite 3% of the players in pvp. I get it and if I were on the same level of play as you I might be upset about this a little. But I am not. I have a guild of players who are very diverse with very different levels of play. I want them to be able to buy sets and feel as if they are doing something for the map / campaign. So if this move allows us to fight group vs group and be rewarded for not stacking 60 players in one place so be it. Complain all you want, ZOS made this change for the better and until you realize that you will be stuck complaining about bad players outranking you on the leader boards.

My advice....stop ^%^&$ stacking.

I for one am extremely pleased with this change and the sooner everyone else see's the benefits the better off PVP in this game will become. I made several comments about this on PTS and on the forums before it went live. No one paid any attention to the term BASE AP when it was posted. This change means every player from 1 to 1000 will earn the base amount for taking objectives. It forces players to realize the reward is not based on defense but offense. So there are 60 DC or EP stacked up somewhere go take something else you will earn 7.2k AP with buff by taking a keep somewhere on the map or 1.8k AP for a resource. This will force players to respond to other locations and thus spread out the population. If you want to defend a keep great that should be done. But the D-tick is only worth 2 or 3k AP you will soon find yourself dropping on the leader boards. It's a bold move and a rewarding move if you go the way ZOS believes you should.

I have buckets for the salt continue to drop it off at the door.

Anazasi

maxjapank wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

I saw it coming but didnt really think it would happen until some ad GM whispered me asking if haxus wanted to partake

There are times I wish that names could be shared. I would really like to know exactly who would whisper another guild to take part in exploiting the system. Even if ZOS opened the door for this to happen, guild leaders and players should have more respect for not engaging into this kind of behavior.

It was me. but mind you sneaky whispered me first about something totally off topic. Once I shared the information or the how to do it, he came running to the forums to drop salt. I was just being nice and sharing with him the mechanic that apparently everyone had already noticed, makes me wonder how elite some players really are.

asneakybanana

Anazasi wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

I saw it coming but didnt really think it would happen until some ad GM whispered me asking if haxus wanted to partake

There are times I wish that names could be shared. I would really like to know exactly who would whisper another guild to take part in exploiting the system. Even if ZOS opened the door for this to happen, guild leaders and players should have more respect for not engaging into this kind of behavior.

It was me. but mind you sneaky whispered me first about something totally off topic. Once I shared the information or the how to do it, he came running to the forums to drop salt. I was just being nice and sharing with him the mechanic that apparently everyone had already noticed, makes me wonder how elite some players really are.

I don't need to think about this cheesy garbage because I can make ap. I like spreading players out as much as the next guys but sometimes its just stupid getting 6k for an o tick when theres 60 people PVdooring a keep. For instance tonight, just as lols we havent really done any ap farming and are making 80k ap/hr w/ no ap buff just by running around following the 80 man and freely taking keeps and resources which is kind of ridiculous. AP was already much easier to make w/ the doubling of the value of players than it was at launch. Just a bad decision on ZoS' behalf overall and just another reinforcement of what they are doing to this game.

DHale

Or I can build a bomb blade put proxy det viscous death and grothdar and destro ult and farm people. Errrr never mind.

Chuga_Rei

"Good news guys, now we don't even have to fight anyone to rank up"


Downside, you can advance in pvp ranks without pvping

Upside, all those guilds who had to use the "we play to win, we don't care about kills or ap!" Excuse have had their cognitive biases reinforced, and will now literally be able to compete with competent pvpers for ranking.

What this means for me and you: more titles and the hard work, effort and time that it took to earn them have been trivialized in the name of pleasing the least among us.

It's not about equality of opportunity, it's about equality of outcomes at this point.

And you all wonder why I'm such a fascist.

makeumrage

Just travel there and destroy them. If there doing it in a dead campaign who cares we saw this coming. No worse then guilds getting on other factions and letting thier friends kill them. On console this would never happen in a populated server.

Chuga_Rei

makeumrage wrote: »

Just travel there and destroy them. If there doing it in a dead campaign who cares we saw this coming. No worse then guilds getting on other factions and letting thier friends kill them. On console this would never happen in a populated server.

Is it worth diverting the resources necessary to go to a out of the way keep to wipe a 24 man raid? Not many want to ride to drakelowe or dragon claw to defend it, let alone fight a full raid intents on flipping resources.

Ackwalan

ZOS could add a diminishing reward timer for taking the same keep/resource similar to the way killing the same person works. For example, if you try and reclaim a keep within 15 minutes (just throwing that time frame out there) of the previous capture, you only get 50% of the AP. Recapture it again, and you earn 50% again, until the reward is 0 AP.

xaraan

Yeah, this has been going on all day, just a couple factions flipping resources/keeps back and forth and earning tons of AP. Crazy.

maxjapank

Anazasi wrote: »

It was me. but mind you sneaky whispered me first about something totally off topic. Once I shared the information or the how to do it, he came running to the forums to drop salt. I was just being nice and sharing with him the mechanic that apparently everyone had already noticed...

My apologies then. I don't want to call anyone out for something based on what someone else said. If you say you weren't attempting to exploit something, then I'll take you at your word.

fastolfv_ESO

this really doesnt force anyone to spread out, you can now stack 100+ people of grpless drones and take keep after keep and get more ap then you should possibly get for it