Furniture Crafting : Completely Inaccessible

coplannb16_ESO

Recremen wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

I haven't paid a lot of attention to be honest, but am I correct in thinking that furniture crafting needs crafting ability in a number of different crafts.. on the same character?

This is correct, but that's pretty easy and I'm pretty sure represents the typical way people play, with all crafts on at least one character.

Nope, got 3 crafting chars. (1 Smithing/Enchanting, 1 Alchemy/Tailor, 1 Woodworking)...

mariskaas

Completely inaccessible seems a bit of a stretch. Yes the droprate of mats may be somewhat higher, especially heartwood. I do not think it should be made with normal crafting mats though. It should have a little bit of a challenge collecting blueprints and mats otherwise everyone could just finish all of it within the week. And there is always the option to just buy everything from blueprints to mats from farmers at the guildstore if you're very impatient even with crowns. Since the housing is absolutely non-functional I don't really care they try to make money off of it, owning a house does not give you a advantage it just looks nice. And probably within a couple of weeks the in game prices will go down anyway.

Ermiq

coplannb16_ESO wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

I haven't paid a lot of attention to be honest, but am I correct in thinking that furniture crafting needs crafting ability in a number of different crafts.. on the same character?

This is correct, but that's pretty easy and I'm pretty sure represents the typical way people play, with all crafts on at least one character.

Nope, got 3 crafting chars. (1 Smithing/Enchanting, 1 Alchemy/Tailor, 1 Woodworking)...

Always trying to learn all crafting specs on one character if the game allows it. Every MMO has specific things (like motifs in ESO) that makes splitted crafting uncomfortable or even useless.

Linaleah

Eremith wrote: »

coplannb16_ESO wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

I haven't paid a lot of attention to be honest, but am I correct in thinking that furniture crafting needs crafting ability in a number of different crafts.. on the same character?

This is correct, but that's pretty easy and I'm pretty sure represents the typical way people play, with all crafts on at least one character.

Nope, got 3 crafting chars. (1 Smithing/Enchanting, 1 Alchemy/Tailor, 1 Woodworking)...

Always trying to learn all crafting specs on one character if the game allows it. Every MMO has specific things (like motifs in ESO) that makes splitted crafting uncomfortable or even useless.

unfortunately, yes. although - you CAN split off stuff like enchanting, alchemy and cooking to another character, since they don't deal with motifs and THAT helps a lot of dearth of skill points, but.. yeah

Molydeus

coplannb16_ESO wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

I haven't paid a lot of attention to be honest, but am I correct in thinking that furniture crafting needs crafting ability in a number of different crafts.. on the same character?

This is correct, but that's pretty easy and I'm pretty sure represents the typical way people play, with all crafts on at least one character.

Nope, got 3 crafting chars. (1 Smithing/Enchanting, 1 Alchemy/Tailor, 1 Woodworking)...

Most people don't do that, I imagine. Far too tedious and time-consuming.

zaria

mariskaas wrote: »

Completely inaccessible seems a bit of a stretch. Yes the droprate of mats may be somewhat higher, especially heartwood. I do not think it should be made with normal crafting mats though. It should have a little bit of a challenge collecting blueprints and mats otherwise everyone could just finish all of it within the week. And there is always the option to just buy everything from blueprints to mats from farmers at the guildstore if you're very impatient even with crowns. Since the housing is absolutely non-functional I don't really care they try to make money off of it, owning a house does not give you a advantage it just looks nice. And probably within a couple of weeks the in game prices will go down anyway.

Heartwood and bast, only 5 bast from over 200 ancestor silk, I farmed silk for crafted cp160 set.
Still has not been able to make the Khajiit banner I found the first day.
Have starting selling blueprints I don't care much about.

mariskaas

zaria wrote: »

mariskaas wrote: »

Completely inaccessible seems a bit of a stretch. Yes the droprate of mats may be somewhat higher, especially heartwood. I do not think it should be made with normal crafting mats though. It should have a little bit of a challenge collecting blueprints and mats otherwise everyone could just finish all of it within the week. And there is always the option to just buy everything from blueprints to mats from farmers at the guildstore if you're very impatient even with crowns. Since the housing is absolutely non-functional I don't really care they try to make money off of it, owning a house does not give you a advantage it just looks nice. And probably within a couple of weeks the in game prices will go down anyway.

Heartwood and bast, only 5 bast from over 200 ancestor silk, I farmed silk for crafted cp160 set.
Still has not been able to make the Khajiit banner I found the first day.
Have starting selling blueprints I don't care much about.

That is also very unlucky . I was able to craft the khajit crescent banner yesterday just by picking up nodes while questing, had exactly 6 bast to do it.

Kilmister

To be fair I am not the most cosmetic player of games.... yeah ok so I'm ugly IRL, but in game I don't tend to do much around getting costumes etc as well.

However, if a housing system is relatively accessible and fun to do I can spend a fair amount of time on it, Wildstar being a good example of a game where I gave up my scorn of cosmetic nonsense and put time into building a cool place to "live".

The homestead update on the other hand has turned me right off from the start. This should have been a fun and engaging system that allowed players to build stuff, decorate their house, throw it out and redecorate, get a holiday home, a city villa, castle and whatever else and use as a gently down time type of activity away from the core of the game.

But it appears to be grindy as f***, and therefore of no interest to me whatever. This was a great opportunity that has been squandered in my opinion.

Hopefully Zos can learn from the mistake and turn this into the fun mechanic it really ought to be.

MLGProPlayer

My house is almost fully decorated (all purple and blue furnishings) and it's been just a week and a half since the patch came out. Sure it cost me 1.4 million gold to decorate (in addition to the 1.3 million gold price tag of the house), but that's hardly inaccessible.

Housing is definitely not the endless grind I expected it to be. I was pleasently surprised.

Given a few more weeks, furniture plans and mats will be at bargain basement prices. I fully expect a large home to be furnishable with just a few hundred thousand gold.

zaria

mariskaas wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

mariskaas wrote: »

Completely inaccessible seems a bit of a stretch. Yes the droprate of mats may be somewhat higher, especially heartwood. I do not think it should be made with normal crafting mats though. It should have a little bit of a challenge collecting blueprints and mats otherwise everyone could just finish all of it within the week. And there is always the option to just buy everything from blueprints to mats from farmers at the guildstore if you're very impatient even with crowns. Since the housing is absolutely non-functional I don't really care they try to make money off of it, owning a house does not give you a advantage it just looks nice. And probably within a couple of weeks the in game prices will go down anyway.

Heartwood and bast, only 5 bast from over 200 ancestor silk, I farmed silk for crafted cp160 set.
Still has not been able to make the Khajiit banner I found the first day.
Have starting selling blueprints I don't care much about.

That is also very unlucky . I was able to craft the khajit crescent banner yesterday just by picking up nodes while questing, had exactly 6 bast to do it.

Yes, rng is weird, I found 25 wax in an public dungeon in the orc zone.

MornaBaine

And this is the only part of the housing system they put any thought or work towards. After all, the houses themselves are just lazy copies of existing buildings. There should have never been new mats for crafting furniture, they should have been all the same mats that already exist in the game. The new thing should have been the blueprints and that's it.

I "lucked out" because my Main is my crafter and has maxxed all the crafts except Enchanting, which she is more than halfway through. But I've been playing her since day one of this game. Players newer than that to the game are unlikely to have a master crafter and it makes all kinds of sense for crafting to be spread across a few characters so the requirement for maxxing all the crafts on a single character is really unfair.

Add to that the furniture storage problem and yes, this whole system really is just ANOTHER slap in the face to crafters.

Asardes

MornaBaine wrote: »

And this is the only part of the housing system they put any thought or work towards. After all, the houses themselves are just lazy copies of existing buildings. There should have never been new mats for crafting furniture, they should have been all the same mats that already exist in the game. The new thing should have been the blueprints and that's it.

I "lucked out" because my Main is my crafter and has maxxed all the crafts except Enchanting, which she is more than halfway through. But I've been playing her since day one of this game. Players newer than that to the game are unlikely to have a master crafter and it makes all kinds of sense for crafting to be spread across a few characters so the requirement for maxxing all the crafts on a single character is really unfair.

Add to that the furniture storage problem and yes, this whole system really is just ANOTHER slap in the face to crafters.

Well, I've only joined in October 2015 and I have 9 chars. I leveled all 6 crafting skills on 3 chars, with the 4th closing it at 40+ in clothier, woodworking and blacksmithing, I have trained provisioning on all but the latest one, and I have just finished training enchanting on that one too. Once I start playing a char I have a simple strategy for looted gear: unless they are set pieces with decent traits, I vendor whites and greens, deconstruct blues and purples for the temper, since the guild price is higher for those than the vendor price for the respective item; white intricates I sell on guild stores for 160-200 gold, but I sell hundreds of those a week so they add up. Deconning blues and purples also gives more inspiration, so by the time he has went trough 5-7 zones, my chars are already at 50 with the crafting skills. With glyphs it was even simpler: I simply dropped them in the bank and deconned them in bulk on another char, even one acting as bank. I've run out of char to level enchanting on, as I keep my last 3 slots open for wardens, so I even started selling those glyphs on build stores. They sell in bulk, for 80-100 gold each.

SydneyGrey

I've been furnishing my home with crafting only (no crown store purchases), and I've already mostly furnished the home in only one week. It's easy and completely doable. I don't even have all of my crafting maxed out. I only have two that are fully maxed out (clothing and woodworking).

It's not that hard.

I haven't tried doing a master writ yet, though. The only master writ I've gotten so far is not doable for me just because I don't have the trait researched that I need for it.

Biro123

Gotta say I'm totally disengaged with the whole housing thing.

I would have been interested if crafting was possible - but when you start the game, you're limited on skill points - so anyone (like me) who was making multiple alts at the time while trying to decide on a class ended up with different characters learning different crafts. The skill-system in this game leads you to this - and making this kind of decision early in the game when you don't know about the shared motifs etc that comes later is not the fault of the player - and honestly is something I can live with.

But to suddenly find that to craft furniture I need to re-level every single craft (bar one) from the beginning... Well, I say 'bugger that'. The result being that I have my free room at the inn from the initial quest.. I have a small table in there. I've never been back and since I'm annoyed at not being able to make stuff to fill it - I never will. Neither will I buy anything from the crown store to fill it. Any motifs I find, I give away to guildies, materials just disappear down the black-hole that is my crafting bag and are never seen again. Besides - its just more junk to fill up my precious inventory space. Now if housing came with storage....

But nah - since I can't make my own stuff, I have no pride in my hovel - and therefore no interest in it.

Homestead was a non-patch for me.

Iarao

Iarao wrote: »

M0bi wrote: »

it would logically take more skill and materials to craft a cuirass than a table........

of course we wouldnt be making stuff with others; all done on OUR own toons. we would start on one toon, then pass the item to the next, and etc until the pc was done. this would allow those who split their crafting to make items right now. but i agree that we did have to suffer some to get all our crafts on one toon. i died. alot. why? cuz i had to carefully balance fighting and crafting. of course NOW you can go anywhere you want to get those shards. back in the day? you had to creep around much higher level deadly things cuz if you got caught, you were dead. and waiting for someone to show up at delves to help fight. i spent a lot of time getting shards to get those points to spend. and then you got stuck at coldharbor. no going there if you were too low. so now no more extra points to spend until you got there cuz you got all the skyshards in your faction. oh yeah, no hopping to other factions for those shards, either. not until after you got cadwell's silver quest after coldharbour. it is MUCH MUCH MUCH easier to craft all on one now. so quit bitching and get to leveling another toon already.

oh and this is not directed at any one person, no matter whose post it shows up under

Linaleah

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

My house is almost fully decorated (all purple and blue furnishings) and it's been just a week and a half since the patch came out. Sure it cost me 1.4 million gold to decorate (in addition to the 1.3 million gold price tag of the house), but that's hardly inaccessible.

Housing is definitely not the endless grind I expected it to be. I was pleasently surprised.

Given a few more weeks, furniture plans and mats will be at bargain basement prices. I fully expect a large home to be furnishable with just a few hundred thousand gold.

I think your idea of inaccessible is a little different from a typical player's idea of inaccessible. most people don't have millions in gold to spend, heck, they don't have 100k to spend just like that. for most of us it IS grind. its possible. but its a grind. especially if you are someone who prefers to craft their own stuff vs throwing money (in game, or RL) at it. I managed to decorate my small house. mostly green with some blue furniture and very occasional achievement vendor purple. but it took a LOT of effort and pretty much doing nothing else. and I STILL managed to burn though about a third of my gold stash, as those achievement furnishings do add up. for a lot of people its even worse, unless they are willing to spend crowns.

I mean, i won't lie I'm a little bit gleeful that my insane decision to have a single dedicated crafter, that made playing kinda hard for a while becasue I was skill point starved - is actualy paying off. but .. make no mistake. this IS grindy. on for a newer player? it IS varying degrees of inaccessible. drop rates of materials are low. costs to craft items are comparatively high.

SydneyGrey

Linaleah wrote: »

for a newer player? it IS varying degrees of inaccessible. drop rates of materials are low. costs to craft items are comparatively high.

LOL. I am a newer player (been playing two months) and I was able to furnish a medium-sized house with stuff I crafted. I bought a few of the recipes, but I found most of them. I'm not finding it difficult at all. I admit I do have a lot of free time to play the game, though. Someone who could only play 1-to-2 hours a day couldn't furnish a house in that short an amount of time.

I did level all six crafts on just my main character, though. For someone who has a different character for each craft, it would be impossible.

Just sayin' that crafting is not inaccessible for a newer player unless they're so new that they haven't started putting skill points into their crafting yet.

Zypheran

Well, I've decided to abandon homestead completely. It's the first content ever that I'm not going to engage with. It's excessively grindy in my view. I understand that the grind was purposely ramped up to encourage players onto the Crown Store but based on the prices they are asking for houses, assistants and craft stations etc, this is also a non-option. I'm not spending €100 on a functionless product.
So for me, ZOS took the one update I was most looking forward to and would have been willing to spend crowns on, and turned it into such an awful grindy chore that they have actually demotivated me toward playing the game in general. I'm so dissapointed at the obvious ploy to push people toward an overpriced crown store that I find myself not bothering much with game since homestead launch.
By all means ZOS, hunt the whales but remember you need a strong community to attract them in in the first place.

ElliottXO

Furniture prices are dropping like hot potatoes. In two weeks you can buy rare stuff for 2k per piece from any guild vendor.

People always assume they need to do that stuff all by themselves. No you don't. It's an MMO. You can trade.

Zypheran

ElliottXO wrote: »

Furniture prices are dropping like hot potatoes. In two weeks you can buy rare stuff for 2k per piece from any guild vendor.

People always assume they need to do that stuff all by themselves. No you don't. It's an MMO. You can trade.

I disagree with your speculation. The design prices may drop really low but given the extremely poor drop rates for furniture mats and writs, I doubt the prices for actual furniture will drop very low. It just takes too long to craft to justify selling it cheap.... imo

Linaleah

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

for a newer player? it IS varying degrees of inaccessible. drop rates of materials are low. costs to craft items are comparatively high.

LOL. I am a newer player (been playing two months) and I was able to furnish a medium-sized house with stuff I crafted. I bought a few of the recipes, but I found most of them. I'm not finding it difficult at all. I admit I do have a lot of free time to play the game, though. Someone who could only play 1-to-2 hours a day couldn't furnish a house in that short an amount of time.

I did level all six crafts on just my main character, though. For someone who has a different character for each craft, it would be impossible.

Just sayin' that crafting is not inaccessible for a newer player unless they're so new that they haven't started putting skill points into their crafting yet.

you do realize that you just illustrated why housing is not very accessible for an average player, right? well.. unless you pay with crowns. now, drop rates may be different for people with better rng luck than me, but... I tend to get 2-3 furnishing mats for every half a dozen nodes or so. typical green item cause for anywhere between 4 and 8 of each crafting mat for regular sized stuff - structures require more, as do blue and up patterns. simpler patterns only call for just one type. but more often then not - you need 2-3 different types of furnishing mats. because of this rarity - whether you grind for gold to buy materials, or grind for materials themselves - it is a significant, major LENGTHY investment. for a mode of gameplay that is essentially fluff. and don't even get me started on master writs and items they buy that have actualy functionality. crafting stations are... 3000 crowns each I believe? if you want to skip the insanity of master writs.

I was able to furnish my small house and do it fairly nicely, if I say so myself. however, I too have considerably more time to play than an average player, I tend to be a hoarder, who doesn't really respec, been sticking to the same armor set since I hit cp 160 and generally don't spend gold all that much to begin with. I like gathering and crafting my own stuff. most players don't do that. and I still had to pretty much switch gears to nothing BUT farming, to even do that much. god forbid you may want furnishing in your house to actualy... match. if you may want more than just basics.

leveling crafting is only the beginning. its when we get to materials, THAT is when it starts getting rough.

Zypheran wrote: »

ElliottXO wrote: »

Furniture prices are dropping like hot potatoes. In two weeks you can buy rare stuff for 2k per piece from any guild vendor.

People always assume they need to do that stuff all by themselves. No you don't. It's an MMO. You can trade.

I disagree with your speculation. The design prices may drop really low but given the extremely poor drop rates for furniture mats and writs, I doubt the prices for actual furniture will drop very low. It just takes too long to craft to justify selling it cheap.... imo

this basically. the only reason furniture prices will drop at all, is because people will start losing interest ironically due to inaccessibility.

notimetocare

MornaBaine wrote: »

And this is the only part of the housing system they put any thought or work towards. After all, the houses themselves are just lazy copies of existing buildings. There should have never been new mats for crafting furniture, they should have been all the same mats that already exist in the game. The new thing should have been the blueprints and that's it.

I "lucked out" because my Main is my crafter and has maxxed all the crafts except Enchanting, which she is more than halfway through. But I've been playing her since day one of this game. Players newer than that to the game are unlikely to have a master crafter and it makes all kinds of sense for crafting to be spread across a few characters so the requirement for maxxing all the crafts on a single character is really unfair.

Add to that the furniture storage problem and yes, this whole system really is just ANOTHER slap in the face to crafters.

Are ypu joking? Maxxing crafting other than enchanting takes no time at all. Most people can be maxxed on a new account by cp 100.

Runschei

I don't understand this type of crafting yet other than mats are rare and expensive. I just collect motifs and try to figure it ot on my way ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

MornaBaine

Zypheran wrote: »

Well, I've decided to abandon homestead completely. It's the first content ever that I'm not going to engage with. It's excessively grindy in my view. I understand that the grind was purposely ramped up to encourage players onto the Crown Store but based on the prices they are asking for houses, assistants and craft stations etc, this is also a non-option. I'm not spending €100 on a functionless product.
So for me, ZOS took the one update I was most looking forward to and would have been willing to spend crowns on, and turned it into such an awful grindy chore that they have actually demotivated me toward playing the game in general. I'm so dissapointed at the obvious ploy to push people toward an overpriced crown store that I find myself not bothering much with game since homestead launch.
By all means ZOS, hunt the whales but remember you need a strong community to attract them in in the first place.

You are definitely not alone in this. I've seen the disappointment over this "update" drive more than a few people completely out of the game and/or who have at least dropped their subs.

MornaBaine

notimetocare wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

And this is the only part of the housing system they put any thought or work towards. After all, the houses themselves are just lazy copies of existing buildings. There should have never been new mats for crafting furniture, they should have been all the same mats that already exist in the game. The new thing should have been the blueprints and that's it.

I "lucked out" because my Main is my crafter and has maxxed all the crafts except Enchanting, which she is more than halfway through. But I've been playing her since day one of this game. Players newer than that to the game are unlikely to have a master crafter and it makes all kinds of sense for crafting to be spread across a few characters so the requirement for maxxing all the crafts on a single character is really unfair.

Add to that the furniture storage problem and yes, this whole system really is just ANOTHER slap in the face to crafters.

Are ypu joking? Maxxing crafting other than enchanting takes no time at all. Most people can be maxxed on a new account by cp 100.

For someone who has "no time to care" you sure care a lot about responding to my posts. LOL You seem to think you know how much playtime most people have. You don't. So you don't know how long it really takes anyone to get to CP 100. And for people who are NOT crafters, because, yes, some players aren't into crafting, getting furnishings that look nice pretty much DOES require the cash shop. And that's what a lot of people find the most offensive about this.

ElliottXO

Zypheran wrote: »

ElliottXO wrote: »

Furniture prices are dropping like hot potatoes. In two weeks you can buy rare stuff for 2k per piece from any guild vendor.

People always assume they need to do that stuff all by themselves. No you don't. It's an MMO. You can trade.

I disagree with your speculation. The design prices may drop really low but given the extremely poor drop rates for furniture mats and writs, I doubt the prices for actual furniture will drop very low. It just takes too long to craft to justify selling it cheap.... imo

I grinded mats before homestead. Like many others.

So no matter at what price I sell the furniture or furniture mats, it took me no extra time to get it. It's all bonus for something I would have done anyway.

Selling furniture is extremely difficult due to the variety and personal preferences of people. When all people realize that they will flood the market with furniture mats.

Give it two weeks and be enlightened.

Recremen

ElliottXO wrote: »

Zypheran wrote: »

ElliottXO wrote: »

Furniture prices are dropping like hot potatoes. In two weeks you can buy rare stuff for 2k per piece from any guild vendor.

People always assume they need to do that stuff all by themselves. No you don't. It's an MMO. You can trade.

I disagree with your speculation. The design prices may drop really low but given the extremely poor drop rates for furniture mats and writs, I doubt the prices for actual furniture will drop very low. It just takes too long to craft to justify selling it cheap.... imo

I grinded mats before homestead. Like many others.

So no matter at what price I sell the furniture or furniture mats, it took me no extra time to get it. It's all bonus for something I would have done anyway.

Selling furniture is extremely difficult due to the variety and personal preferences of people. When all people realize that they will flood the market with furniture mats.

Give it two weeks and be enlightened.

@ElliottXO

I am confused by this statement. Are you saying that you are in the habit of grinding for materials, and therefore will be getting these anyway for something you do all the time, or are you implying that you got furniture-crafting materials before they were actually in the game files? >.>

ElliottXO

Recremen wrote: »

ElliottXO wrote: »

Zypheran wrote: »

ElliottXO wrote: »

Furniture prices are dropping like hot potatoes. In two weeks you can buy rare stuff for 2k per piece from any guild vendor.

People always assume they need to do that stuff all by themselves. No you don't. It's an MMO. You can trade.

I disagree with your speculation. The design prices may drop really low but given the extremely poor drop rates for furniture mats and writs, I doubt the prices for actual furniture will drop very low. It just takes too long to craft to justify selling it cheap.... imo

I grinded mats before homestead. Like many others.

So no matter at what price I sell the furniture or furniture mats, it took me no extra time to get it. It's all bonus for something I would have done anyway.

Selling furniture is extremely difficult due to the variety and personal preferences of people. When all people realize that they will flood the market with furniture mats.

Give it two weeks and be enlightened.

@ElliottXO

I am confused by this statement. Are you saying that you are in the habit of grinding for materials, and therefore will be getting these anyway for something you do all the time, or are you implying that you got furniture-crafting materials before they were actually in the game files? >.>

Wow. Is this really your question? What do you think is more likely?

theslynx

Agreed with most points in OP's post. Materials are quite scarce in particular.

I do find RNG frustrating in getting plans, though. For instance, I have something like half a dozen chair options and many tables, but no craftable beds despite many hours of farming.

Valorin

I needed to farm a bit, but I was able to craft every substantial furniture item within a few days. And since furniture is tradable I really never had a problem getting the stuff I wanted. A friendly guild with a good community helps as well.