Furniture Crafting : Completely Inaccessible

Wizzo91

This was their Plan from the start to push RPers into the crown store.

I will put none of my valuable game time into housing. It is purely cosmetic BS tbh.

All I need is a empty room with a target dummy. I still can't believe this was not included in the base game at release.

Alpheu5

AlnilamE wrote: »

I would like to gauge some expectations here:

1. What percentage of blueprints did you expect to find by yourself in the first 24 hours of the update being out?

2. How many housing items did you expect to have crafted in the first 24 hours of the game being out?

3. How did this expectation meet with reality?

4. Do you think more blueprints should be available for purchase?

The blueprints themselves I didn't expect to find a lot of at all, probably about as frequently as I would find provisioning recipes. However, the base materials required to craft these items is tedious at best to retrieve, and that's not getting into the massive RNG gold sink that is master writs. If anything, there should be a chance to get a green, blue, or purple recipe for the relevant crafting line whenever you turn in a writ, as well as some of the base materials needed.

zyk

I haven't delved too deeply into this yet, but it seems to me that Homestead is a crafting and trading update and the intention is for us to interact with each other to furnish our homes.

Some blueprints, I'll find on my own; some I'll buy from other players. Some furniture, I will craft on my own; some I will buy from other players. Friends and guildmates, of course, will also share with each other.

BlackSparrow

Wizzo91 wrote: »

This was their Plan from the start to push RPers into the crown store.

I will put none of my valuable game time into housing. It is purely cosmetic BS tbh.

All I need is a empty room with a target dummy. I still can't believe this was not included in the base game at release.

Because RPers don't already make liberal use of the Crown Store? 9_9

If it's not your cup of tea, that's fine. But many of us don't see it as such, so please don't clutter up constructive discussions about specific faults just to say nonsequiters that have already been said a hundred times today.

Vanthras79

Recremen wrote: »

We've known this would be the case since it first appeared on PTS, but I'll say it here now that it's live.

Furniture crafting is really cool in theory but completely impractical to get into. You cannot realistic furnish a home with this method.

The problem centers around a few major issues, only one of which is reasonable.

1. Crafting furniture requires a "plan/blueprint/etc." This could have gone either way in the design, with the end result looking either more like armor crafting or more like provisioning, and I don't consider it a major loss that it ended up looking like provisioning. Yes, it's a long grind and a long search for all the recipes, but as it compares to other systems in game it's pretty reasonable. Higher drop rates for blueprints could fix any undue strain, at the very least.
2. The plans require enormous amounts of materials. Even simple objects require a comparatively large amount of resources. Never mind that the resources make zero sense sometimes (as a friend asked, "why am I putting runestones IN MY BREAD??"). Even worse, objects require huge amounts of material regardless of their size or aesthetic impact. You need nearly as much material to make a tiny cup as you do a large brazier. I can't see this being fixed because it would require a lot of work going back through each recipe and fixing the bad decisions.
3. This one is the worst aspect. Furniture crafting base materials are scarce. VERY. SCARCE. I spent many hours last night farming materials and Ra Gada motif chapters and I would up with more motif chapters (3) than certain furniture crafting materials like Decorative Wax (0). SERIOUSLY, how did anyone think that was a good idea? I can make a full set of CP 160 gear of all armor types with the crafting materials I got, but I can't even make a green-quality table? Awful! This is the part that is not only easiest to change, but which would also have the most impact. Please, make furniture materials drop from every node, and make Decorative Wax drop literally ever, because right now it doesn't.

This is holding back what should a fun and engaging system. If I need to spend hours a day farming just to make a single furniture item then I won't even have a fully furnished large home by this time next year. That is not fun or engaging, it is debilitating.

Three words: Hash-tag Crown Store

Vanthras79

The more time that passes the more stable and reasonable the markets will get. This one thinks you need to learn the patience.

Alyndri

Totally agree with this!

Glaiceana

Yeah right now recipes for furniture seem pretty hard to come by. But it is only the first day, so maybe it seems worse than it is?
I have only found 3 so far, but I only did a few loops of looting boxes in towns. Rest of the time was spent trying to get the new materials. They seem to drop in very low numbers, except for that one Rubedite node I found that gave me 3 of it but 4 Regulus! If only they all dropped like that!

I just wish the home goods vendors gave us more options, you can't even buy a decent table, chair or bed from them. Although in the end, I really do want to craft everything for my house interior, its just going to take me a long time to find nice things to learn. And no way am I buying them from guild vendors right now, I already bought too much from the Achievement vendors, I want to keep at least some of my gold

Recremen

Vanthras79 wrote: »

The more time that passes the more stable and reasonable the markets will get. This one thinks you need to learn the patience.

I 100% believe that is true for blueprints, which is why I said it's the most bearable aspect. I have over 99% of provisioning recipes (only missing the two new 100%+ XP pots) so I'm fully aware that a large recipe list isn't a huge deal. It's the materials that are going to be the biggest hell.

Akrasjel

One can simply wait till the supply of mats and plans grow with time.

Reverb

This seems like a grind that would be ripe for botting.

Pallmor

c0rp wrote: »

CASH SHOP. It is never going to go away, and it will always dictate game mechanics like this. Crafting furniture is supposed to be ridiculous else no one would buy it with real money.

THANK YOU! Reading this thread was starting to make me depressed. It's embarrassing that I had to scroll down this far before I finally saw a post from someone who gets it.

I'll put this in bold letters for all of you who don't get it:

ZOS MAKES MONEY WHEN YOU BUY FURNISHED HOMES AND FURNISHINGS FROM THE CROWN STORE. THEY DON'T WANT YOU CRAFTING FURNISHINGS YOURSELF.

Jeez, this isn't rocket science, people.

Gedalya

Incrementally changes can be made to correct some of the more glaring issues; such as with individual items having odd requirements. I suspect we will see these revisions over time. Don't forget they did a complete overhaul of the provisioning system at one point in this game.

RMerlin

I REALLY regret now not getting a fully furnished house Looking at the time it will take to furnish this house is downright depressing. Hopefully ZOS will readjust things.

One thing that could help is having motifs to make a "set" of furniture, i.e. one crafting session with one single plan will give you a bed, an end table, etc... Otherwise, chasing down 50-75 different motifs to furnish a single house? Not really.

Another problem here: you can only list a maximum of 30 items on a guild trader. How are you gonna sell furniture if you can't sell more than 30 different items out of who-knows how many hundreds?

jarydf

It is not that it is a grind but that it is 3 illogical grinds stacked on top of each other.

One of these systems by itself would have been acceptable.

Katahdin

Preyfar wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

ZOS logic: let's make the Nord zone drop Kajiit (AD race) items

This one thinks you may have had too much moonsugar. Reaper's March is nestled against the warm sands of Elsweyr, and is indeed Khajiit land... at least, last this one checked. We do share the border with our knifey-eared "friends" to the west, however. But rest assured, Five-Claws, if it's Nordic blueprints you seek travel to the fur-chilling lands of Eastmarch or the Rift. You'll find what you seek there.

This one is not thinking straight. Kajiit spent half the night trying to find things to place in her room.

Celas_Dranacea

I predict this all will improve - as in past update ZOS makes sure to engineer some barriers so that hardcore players who jump into the update instantly don't finish their objectives in the first week.

Example of this is vWGT where the dungeon was super hard in the beginning and drops not so good, and 6 months to a year later it got way easier.

So don't stress about it for now, take your time and try to make some money.

jaye63

Vanthras79 wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

We've known this would be the case since it first appeared on PTS, but I'll say it here now that it's live.

Furniture crafting is really cool in theory but completely impractical to get into. You cannot realistic furnish a home with this method.

The problem centers around a few major issues, only one of which is reasonable.

1. Crafting furniture requires a "plan/blueprint/etc." This could have gone either way in the design, with the end result looking either more like armor crafting or more like provisioning, and I don't consider it a major loss that it ended up looking like provisioning. Yes, it's a long grind and a long search for all the recipes, but as it compares to other systems in game it's pretty reasonable. Higher drop rates for blueprints could fix any undue strain, at the very least.
2. The plans require enormous amounts of materials. Even simple objects require a comparatively large amount of resources. Never mind that the resources make zero sense sometimes (as a friend asked, "why am I putting runestones IN MY BREAD??"). Even worse, objects require huge amounts of material regardless of their size or aesthetic impact. You need nearly as much material to make a tiny cup as you do a large brazier. I can't see this being fixed because it would require a lot of work going back through each recipe and fixing the bad decisions.
3. This one is the worst aspect. Furniture crafting base materials are scarce. VERY. SCARCE. I spent many hours last night farming materials and Ra Gada motif chapters and I would up with more motif chapters (3) than certain furniture crafting materials like Decorative Wax (0). SERIOUSLY, how did anyone think that was a good idea? I can make a full set of CP 160 gear of all armor types with the crafting materials I got, but I can't even make a green-quality table? Awful! This is the part that is not only easiest to change, but which would also have the most impact. Please, make furniture materials drop from every node, and make Decorative Wax drop literally ever, because right now it doesn't.

This is holding back what should a fun and engaging system. If I need to spend hours a day farming just to make a single furniture item then I won't even have a fully furnished large home by this time next year. That is not fun or engaging, it is debilitating.

Three words: Hash-tag Crown Store

I see your three words and raise you 1
Worst Money Grab EVER!

Tandor

jaye63 wrote: »

Vanthras79 wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

We've known this would be the case since it first appeared on PTS, but I'll say it here now that it's live.

Furniture crafting is really cool in theory but completely impractical to get into. You cannot realistic furnish a home with this method.

The problem centers around a few major issues, only one of which is reasonable.

1. Crafting furniture requires a "plan/blueprint/etc." This could have gone either way in the design, with the end result looking either more like armor crafting or more like provisioning, and I don't consider it a major loss that it ended up looking like provisioning. Yes, it's a long grind and a long search for all the recipes, but as it compares to other systems in game it's pretty reasonable. Higher drop rates for blueprints could fix any undue strain, at the very least.
2. The plans require enormous amounts of materials. Even simple objects require a comparatively large amount of resources. Never mind that the resources make zero sense sometimes (as a friend asked, "why am I putting runestones IN MY BREAD??"). Even worse, objects require huge amounts of material regardless of their size or aesthetic impact. You need nearly as much material to make a tiny cup as you do a large brazier. I can't see this being fixed because it would require a lot of work going back through each recipe and fixing the bad decisions.
3. This one is the worst aspect. Furniture crafting base materials are scarce. VERY. SCARCE. I spent many hours last night farming materials and Ra Gada motif chapters and I would up with more motif chapters (3) than certain furniture crafting materials like Decorative Wax (0). SERIOUSLY, how did anyone think that was a good idea? I can make a full set of CP 160 gear of all armor types with the crafting materials I got, but I can't even make a green-quality table? Awful! This is the part that is not only easiest to change, but which would also have the most impact. Please, make furniture materials drop from every node, and make Decorative Wax drop literally ever, because right now it doesn't.

This is holding back what should a fun and engaging system. If I need to spend hours a day farming just to make a single furniture item then I won't even have a fully furnished large home by this time next year. That is not fun or engaging, it is debilitating.

Three words: Hash-tag Crown Store

I see your three words and raise you 1
Worst Money Grab EVER!

That was certainly my impression the moment I saw the prices being asked on the Guild Traders!

Vanthras79

Recremen wrote: »

Vanthras79 wrote: »

The more time that passes the more stable and reasonable the markets will get. This one thinks you need to learn the patience.

I 100% believe that is true for blueprints, which is why I said it's the most bearable aspect. I have over 99% of provisioning recipes (only missing the two new 100%+ XP pots) so I'm fully aware that a large recipe list isn't a huge deal. It's the materials that are going to be the biggest hell.

I agree on this. I spent around 45 min. trying to farm one bast to make myself a dunmer bed. It needed close to 7 bast to make for just one req.

BadLuckCharm

I have yet to find a single blueprint outside of buying. And i have yet to see if runestones drop anything special for this (i think they do...) I have yet to see a wax - and i loot food boxes pretty well all the time, for foods.

Osteos

I have been having a lot of fun gathering furniture plans and mats. So far I have found quite a few plans and I am starting to accumulate mats. I bought Mournoth in Bangkorai and today I made a table, a water pitcher and 2 place settings I'm quite proud of that table, felt like an accomplishment lol

Personally I am happy with furniture crafting the way it is, I don't want to have everything done in 2 days.

Vanthras79

Osteos wrote: »

I have been having a lot of fun gathering furniture plans and mats. So far I have found quite a few plans and I am starting to accumulate mats. I bought Mournoth in Bangkorai and today I made a table, a water pitcher and 2 place settings I'm quite proud of that table, felt like an accomplishment lol

Personally I am happy with furniture crafting the way it is, I don't want to have everything done in 2 days.

I totally agree with you there with the feelings of accomplishment. Wish the mats were easier to farm though.

Imryll

I've found a fair number of patterns and enough mats to make a couple of each, if I wished. Given that Homestead has been only out a day, I think drop rates are fine. It's only "inaccessible" to folks who don't care to farm and craft--sort of like rewards for PvP or raiding are inaccessible to folks who don't want to participate in those activities. Y'all just need to wait a bit and in-game prices for most items will stabilize, and you'll be able to furnish a home nicely. Making items too available would trivialize the efforts of those who want to put some effort into making things.

OldGamerESO

I would assume that the guild stores will start selling items as soon as people learn designs and start making items to sell. Or are you saying you can only furnish a house with stuff you make yourself? I thought the items were tradeable?

I think most people have needed to go to other crafters to get armor made in the trait/style they wanted. Is this any different?

Korinth

Lynx7386 wrote: »

They royally screwed up with furniture crafting imo. It should have been an extension of the other crafting trades, i.e.:

-woodworking makes tables, chairs, etc.
-blacksmithing makes metal objects/decor
-clothing makes rugs, drapes/curtains, etc.
-alchemy makes glassware and plant decor
-enchanting makes magical furnishings
-Provisioning makes food related items

But no, they had to force another ridiculous grind into the game

^^^^^^ THIS^^^^^^ So much THIS.

I don't mind the grind and I don't mind the stupid high prices for stuff (ie achievement furnishings). But having to have 3 or more level crafting skills to make furniture.... this MUST change.

zaria

Preyfar wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

ZOS logic: let's make the Nord zone drop Kajiit (AD race) items

This one thinks you may have had too much moonsugar. Reaper's March is nestled against the warm sands of Elsweyr, and is indeed Khajiit land... at least, last this one checked. We do share the border with our knifey-eared "friends" to the west, however. But rest assured, Five-Claws, if it's Nordic blueprints you seek travel to the fur-chilling lands of Eastmarch or the Rift. You'll find what you seek there.

It's an random chance of finding other stuff I found an orc one in Greenshade.
However Greenshade has an Orc minority like Alki'r has an Khajiit one, other zones are mixed pretty well plenty of Bosmer in Reapers march for one.

Korinth

SaRuZ wrote: »

c0rp wrote: »

CASH SHOP. It is never going to go away, and it will always dictate game mechanics like this. Crafting furniture is supposed to be ridiculous else no one would buy it with real money.

^^^^ This guy gets it.

And this is a GREAT way for ZOS to loose PAYING customers. Like it or not A LOT of folks were looking forward to Homestead (aka ESO SIMS)...

Sure having the Top Tier stuff being Crown Store or Ridiculous amounts of gold so ZOS can make money off it is fine. I get it. But to not even have BASIC furniture (ie furniture you can see in any house in tamriel) craftable? That's just down right greedy.

Might as well offer your PAYING subscibers a Free Food Item to place on their tables. A bowl of Skeever Guts! Oh you want that T-bone Steak food to place on the table... you can craft that from a PURPLE Recipe that requires you to be max level Blacksmith, Clothing, and Provisioning. OR 200,000 gold or 500 Crowns please...... just stupid and bad customer service.

zaria

Recremen wrote: »

Vanthras79 wrote: »

The more time that passes the more stable and reasonable the markets will get. This one thinks you need to learn the patience.

I 100% believe that is true for blueprints, which is why I said it's the most bearable aspect. I have over 99% of provisioning recipes (only missing the two new 100%+ XP pots) so I'm fully aware that a large recipe list isn't a huge deal. It's the materials that are going to be the biggest hell.

And that too will build up simple as people know its valuable.

Tandor wrote: »

jaye63 wrote: »

Vanthras79 wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

We've known this would be the case since it first appeared on PTS, but I'll say it here now that it's live.

Furniture crafting is really cool in theory but completely impractical to get into. You cannot realistic furnish a home with this method.

The problem centers around a few major issues, only one of which is reasonable.

1. Crafting furniture requires a "plan/blueprint/etc." This could have gone either way in the design, with the end result looking either more like armor crafting or more like provisioning, and I don't consider it a major loss that it ended up looking like provisioning. Yes, it's a long grind and a long search for all the recipes, but as it compares to other systems in game it's pretty reasonable. Higher drop rates for blueprints could fix any undue strain, at the very least.
2. The plans require enormous amounts of materials. Even simple objects require a comparatively large amount of resources. Never mind that the resources make zero sense sometimes (as a friend asked, "why am I putting runestones IN MY BREAD??"). Even worse, objects require huge amounts of material regardless of their size or aesthetic impact. You need nearly as much material to make a tiny cup as you do a large brazier. I can't see this being fixed because it would require a lot of work going back through each recipe and fixing the bad decisions.
3. This one is the worst aspect. Furniture crafting base materials are scarce. VERY. SCARCE. I spent many hours last night farming materials and Ra Gada motif chapters and I would up with more motif chapters (3) than certain furniture crafting materials like Decorative Wax (0). SERIOUSLY, how did anyone think that was a good idea? I can make a full set of CP 160 gear of all armor types with the crafting materials I got, but I can't even make a green-quality table? Awful! This is the part that is not only easiest to change, but which would also have the most impact. Please, make furniture materials drop from every node, and make Decorative Wax drop literally ever, because right now it doesn't.

This is holding back what should a fun and engaging system. If I need to spend hours a day farming just to make a single furniture item then I won't even have a fully furnished large home by this time next year. That is not fun or engaging, it is debilitating.

Three words: Hash-tag Crown Store

I see your three words and raise you 1
Worst Money Grab EVER!

That was certainly my impression the moment I saw the prices being asked on the Guild Traders!

Buying a new drop at day one from an guild trader is always an bad idea as nobody have any idea of price and they just want to find an fool.

Now the long term problem I see is the huge amount of items and no preview of it.
I bought an house with furniture and I'm glad I did, However I want outside furniture too and how to find any in the same style?
I can buy an blueprint and hope its the correct one, but how to find it. Or I can buy the furniture same problem.

Kesstryl

Some of the recipes that require being a top crafter in 3 things, can't you just make the components on another alt, then give them to your main crafter? Or are some of the components bind on obtain? Also furnture vendors should have basic stuff like a bedroll or even a dirty rag to sleep on..something! I love the trees and all, but give us some crappy basic furniture to start with until we can craft better.