Stop calling it "Greed"

stewhead2ub17_ESO

I understand why some people are ranting and raving about the expansion announcement. I also understand that we are from a myriad of economic backgrounds. But because a company wishes to turn a profit from their product and hard work does not make them "Greedy". If you think companies launch these AAA titles merely out of a passion or labor of love then you are mistaken and delusional. Ultimately it is up to me or you to decide to pay for the product or not. The many hours I've enjoyed ESO and the quality I feel they've provided have kept me a subscriber and I will, no doubt, purchase the expansion. Expansions are large and cost $$ to produce. I have np whatsoever supporting this. See you in Morrowind!

Turelus

Some of the Crown Store choices were greed. I don't believe RNG boxes (Crown Crates) have ever been in the benefit of the consumer.

The expansion is normal for this genre and not really greedy, people are just using that to help augment their argument against the change in content accessibility.

The_Protagonist

Huh What? Oh another whiteknight from ZOS

Nothing to see here, move on.

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SaRuZ

It was never false advertisement. Expansion Packs are Expansion Packs, DLC are DLC. Is google search too advanced for people now days?

NetflixNChiill

I agree the company NEEDS to make money.
Othwrwise we won't have a game to play, and it's purely optional if you don't want to pay you don't have to.

Hamiltonmath

Here's the way I look at: As a consumer, we play games. That value of entertainment is worth money to me. We SHOULD pay for how much we play something. So, I have found much value in ESO. I will buy the expansion, and I hope that yields value as well.

stewhead2ub17_ESO

@Turelus, I disagree with you about the crown store items being "greedy". They are optional and none of us have to buy them.
What I may think is of "benefit" to me may very well not seem so to you and vice versa. I enjoy getting mounts and pets but haven't felt the need to purchase any of the RNG boxes, whereas I'm sure others have felt the exact opposite. I'm all for ZOS putting items up in the crown store to make $$. Ultimately it's our decision to purchase or not. I like options.

@The_Protagonist : yet you stopped and felt the need to try and be snarky. Enjoy.

@Spectral_Lord : I understand you may be bitter. But the "false advertisement" claim is laughable.

Turelus

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Huh What? Oh another whiteknight from ZOS

Nothing to see here, move on.

Why are the knights always white. It's pretty stereotyped to say only white knights can defend people.

What if they don't have enough paint, or someone leaves a red sock in with their whites being washed, do they then lose their defensive abilities?

If this is all true, are you saying I can nerf Paladins in Pathfinder by just altering my campaign to only have black platemail with red cloth?

DMuehlhausen

The Crates aren't really even greed since there is nothing in them that you have to have to do all the content.

Anybody who calls them greedy is only doing so because they can't help themselves and spend the money. It's the same thing as somebody getting mad at a casino when they lose a game of chance like Craps or Roulette. Nobody is making you buy them.

Now if this new trial can only be beaten by a item that comes from the Dwarf crates and it has like a .00001% chance of coming up and it requires all 12 people in the trial to have it well then that is greedy and total *** move, but obviously that is not going to happen. So stop whining and saying it's greedy when you don't open a different Storm mount in every crate you open.

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vyndral13preub18_ESO

Oh i don't know. It is almost like they held back stuff and didnt release it as dlc so they could package it all together, call it an expansion and sell it. That sort of sounds like greed. But fine, we will just call it goood business.

stewhead2ub17_ESO

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

@stewhead2ub17_ESO : People bending over to every decision a developer and defending them makes it laughable too.

@Spectral_Lord I must have missed the part where that happened. Enjoy your day.

jedtb16_ESO

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Huh What? Oh another whiteknight from ZOS

Nothing to see here, move on.

better a white knight than just another whining snowflake....

bitels

This is how our next few months on forum will look like- constant topics from one group talking about how ZoS is greedy, and constant topics from other group that love to play ZoS lawyers.
Both sides so sure about their righteousness, both sides so annoying

kevlarto_ESO

Pretty simple fix don't like it don't buy it, this is a game your life will not be over if you move along to some free to play game, and let them nickel and dime you to death. ZOS is doing what all gaming companies do, every major mmo sells expansions why should this game be any different /shrug

vyndral13preub18_ESO

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Huh What? Oh another whiteknight from ZOS

Nothing to see here, move on.

better a white knight than just another whining snowflake....

But the op was whining. Just because you happen to agree with him, doesn't mean he wasnt whining.

stewhead2ub17_ESO

@vyndral13preub18_ESO

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Oh i don't know. It is almost like they held back stuff and didnt release it as dlc so they could package it all together, call it an expansion and sell it. That sort of sounds like greed. But fine, we will just call it goood business.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I don't feel at all as if "they held stuff back". We're talking about a whole new continent to explore and more! And surely, you wouldn't argue that just the base game isn't large enough for a B2P title, I would hope.

Mr_Apollo

Yeah...sure, heres an idea, lets release 2 good DLCs, and then make the rest of the DLCs crap and pretty small, and ya know what? Lets bring a DLC, but wait, lets call it Expansion pack so people don't get us in trouble. Lets also forget all of the more important problems we have with the base game and actually implement it this year. And, lets charge £40 for it and subscribers cant actually get it for free.

Wouldn't that cause issues?

Yeah, but who cares

Turelus

@stewhead2ub17_ESO
The crown store was released with a simple and consumer friendly model, you see what you're going to get, you assess if you have the RL funds to purchase that, you buy it if you like it and can afford it.

RNG boxes take that easy of use from the consumer and make it a gamble which forces players to spend more money on the items they want. There are threads on the forums here where others have done the maths of how many crates one would need to open to guarantee an apex mount.

Now all the items they will be releasing which people want are not a single payment for a nice cosmetic item they want, they must spent more money gambling on the chance of getting what they want and gaining a bunch of stuff they don't want.
This doesn't benefit the consumer who wants the apex mount, it only benefits the people who are getting more RL cash as players funnel it into buying crowns to keep rolling the dice on the item they want.

It's a scummy and offensive business model.

stewhead2ub17_ESO

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Huh What? Oh another whiteknight from ZOS

Nothing to see here, move on.

better a white knight than just another whining snowflake....

But the op was whining. Just because you happen to agree with him, doesn't mean he wasnt whining.

@vyndral13preub18_ESO : I didn't think I was "whining" at all. Merely expressing an opinion. Find your joy.

Rohamad_Ali

theher0not

I don't view the expantion as greed nor the DLC. And I am ok with them selling mounts and costunes. But almost everything else on the store is greed. Dye stamps, mount training, overprised items (assistants and Dro Mathra motif for example), crates.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

@vyndral13preub18_ESO

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Oh i don't know. It is almost like they held back stuff and didnt release it as dlc so they could package it all together, call it an expansion and sell it. That sort of sounds like greed. But fine, we will just call it goood business.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I don't feel at all as if "they held stuff back". We're talking about a whole new continent to explore and more! And surely, you wouldn't argue that just the base game isn't large enough for a B2P title, I would hope.

It is the and more. Most of it has been shown off years ago at different events. The battlegrounds, clockwork, the warden... all seen years ago. Now attached to a dlc so it can be 'more', it can be an expansion!

Sure maybe it just all came together and got done at the same time. Or this has always been a goal so this was always going to happen. Either way i dont really see it as greedy. Sort of seems like it. But nothing crazy. To me the crates are much worse then this. It is what it is. I just dont agree with it.

stewhead2ub17_ESO

Turelus wrote: »

@stewhead2ub17_ESO
The crown store was released with a simple and consumer friendly model, you see what you're going to get, you assess if you have the RL funds to purchase that, you buy it if you like it and can afford it.

RNG boxes take that easy of use from the consumer and make it a gamble which forces players to spend more money on the items they want. There are threads on the forums here where others have done the maths of how many crates one would need to open to guarantee an apex mount.

Now all the items they will be releasing which people want are not a single payment for a nice cosmetic item they want, they must spent more money gambling on the chance of getting what they want and gaining a bunch of stuff they don't want.
This doesn't benefit the consumer who wants the apex mount, it only benefits the people who are getting more RL cash as players funnel it into buying crowns to keep rolling the dice on the item they want.

It's a scummy and offensive business model.

@Turelus : I see your point. But again these are all choices the consumer makes. We shall have to agree to disagree!

Turelus

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Huh What? Oh another whiteknight from ZOS

Nothing to see here, move on.

better a white knight than just another whining snowflake....

But the op was whining. Just because you happen to agree with him, doesn't mean he wasnt whining.

@vyndral13preub18_ESO : I didn't think I was "whining" at all. Merely expressing an opinion. Find your joy.

Sausage

Greed keeps them float. Dont like to point out the obvious here.

Turelus

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

@stewhead2ub17_ESO
The crown store was released with a simple and consumer friendly model, you see what you're going to get, you assess if you have the RL funds to purchase that, you buy it if you like it and can afford it.

RNG boxes take that easy of use from the consumer and make it a gamble which forces players to spend more money on the items they want. There are threads on the forums here where others have done the maths of how many crates one would need to open to guarantee an apex mount.

Now all the items they will be releasing which people want are not a single payment for a nice cosmetic item they want, they must spent more money gambling on the chance of getting what they want and gaining a bunch of stuff they don't want.
This doesn't benefit the consumer who wants the apex mount, it only benefits the people who are getting more RL cash as players funnel it into buying crowns to keep rolling the dice on the item they want.

It's a scummy and offensive business model.

@Turelus : I see your point. But again these are all choices the consumer makes. We shall have to agree to disagree!

They are I agree, and I so far have not felt anything of worth is in the crates to gamble.
However at some point there will be, and I can't wait for the apex exclusive housing items I'll have to spend a lot of money on.

We should agree to disagree, and at least we can be more civil than the others in this thread. Have a cookie for being a good poster.

Turelus

Sausage wrote: »

Greed keeps them float. Dont like to point out the obvious here.

One can keep a good business model without losing their integrity and offending the player base.

Okay well maybe not with this player base, we're offended by everything.

Sausage

Turelus wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Greed keeps them float. Dont like to point out the obvious here.

One can keep a good business model without losing their integrity and offending the player base.

Okay well maybe not with this player base, we're offended by everything.

Sometimes offend your player-base is good idea, it shows theirs strength. You gotta play hard.

Turelus

Sausage wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Greed keeps them float. Dont like to point out the obvious here.

One can keep a good business model without losing their integrity and offending the player base.

Okay well maybe not with this player base, we're offended by everything.

Sometimes offend your player-base is good idea, it shows theirs strength. You gotta play hard.

I thought that's what Wrobel's job was?