PTS Patch Notes v2.7.3

GreenSoup2HoT

No changes to Power Extraction or even a slight buff to Manifestation of Terror... i am sad.

MythicEmperor

Thank you for the buff to Impale. I still feel that Strife needs to be buffed, but this is a step in the right direction.

Lukums1

So basically DK patch notes and...

Added approximately 250 furnishings to the Housing Editor's Crown tab. This includes a wide variety of items as well as non-set Crafting Station

Money...Money...Money....

OMA

Do we have to make a new template character to get the updated master writs to see the changes? Or, will the unopened master writs already have the changes applied?

Calboy

So far I've had my golden trainee and desert rose sets nerfed to uselessness. What an awesome update, I really love putting all that time into gearing up and upgrading only for zos to take it all away from me due to their own incompetence. But hey at least the proc stackers can still proc stack!

Nifty2g

Corrected some text issues that may lead to you encountering SUDDEN SHOUTING or unusual_behaviour from Master Writs in your quest journal.

LOUD NOISES @ZOS_GinaBruno

Siluen

Just found out about the Desert Rose set today after having been gone from the game for a bit, and it seemed like a perfect fit for my saptank. I obtained it pretty much an hour before this nerf hit the PTS. Blowing through thousands of AP and gold. Wow, from 1 to 4 seconds, really? I know this is the PTS, but wouldn't a small change like taking it to 2 seconds instead of 1 have been better?

Reikyce

ZOS took all the careful feedback about Stamina, looked at it, said some profanity and then changed that one harvesting node that was not visible thinking the average player is too stupid to care about such advanced topics anyway and will be more disturbed by that one node.

Lovely.

olsborg

Fixed an issue where the friendly heal from some abilities (Rite of Passage, Blood Craze, etc.) could be dodged.

I hope this includes draining shot heal.

Aquanova

I love the changes to Coagulating Blood but the cost for Green Dragon's Blood should be cut in half. Even with the addition of minor vitality the skill is meh and costs WAY too much for what it offers.

ku5h

Joy_Division wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Good update aside from turning Desert Rose into another unusable gear set. Looking forward to testing the focused charge animation changes.

Wouldnt call this set unusable. Its currently ridiculous return. Good change.

Desert Rose in now suboptimal decon trash. 4 second cool down means max you can get is 15K magicka in 1 minute. This is assuming all conditions are met and no down time, i.e. actually getting hit consistently for a minute and getting a string of 15% procs.

I'll get more return out of Magicka Furnace and Lich without having to be a punching bag.

Classic case of ZoS over-nerfing something into uselessness. I'm glad I waited before wasting my AP on this.

Not really!
You get 15 ticks in 1 minute. Every tick is 2.5k magicka, so it would be 37.5k magicka in one min.
Not bad when you do the math properly, right!?!
Right now ppl can have 5k mag regen equivalent if attacked by multiple ppl, just from 1 set bonus. Add to that Elusive Mist and you have unkillable trolls who can pull entire raids around while replenishing magicka.
Who says thats fine is either biased or flat out out of his mind.

Jeremiah87

Apperantly I'm too stupid to make a propper post. Redoing it...

Jeremiah87

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE GAME PATCH


Homes

• Added a tower to Ebonheart Chateau, overlooking the nearby lava. The door to this new addition can be accessed from the courtyard.

While I can appreciate the addition of the tower I think it is the wrong way to improve the Ebonheart Chateu. The tower feels out of place and encroaches into open space, making the yard feel more cramped as there are high walls and buildings all around.

I think adding an overlook section (like the one the Daggerfall Manor has) instead of a tower to the left side of the yard would be a much better way to make use of the prime location of this estate. I will post post some quick Photoshop mock ups to illustrate what I mean below.

Daggerfall Manor overlook area: View 1



Daggerfall Manor overlook area: View 2



Add a Dark Elf architecture themed overlook like this instead of the tower. See these mock ups:

Ebonheart Chateau overlook: View 1



Ebonheart Chateau overlook: View 2



This would show of the unique location and geographical features MUCH better than the current tower as well as help make the yard not feel as cramped. What do other people think?

OMA

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Crown Store
Added approximately 250 furnishings to the Housing Editor's Crown tab. This includes a wide variety of items as well as non-set Crafting Stations.

I do not see any non-set Crafting Stations in the Crown store furnishings section of the Housing editor.


Also, fixes to the crown crates? I do not even see crown crates for sale in the Crown store on PTS...?

Veg

Alright, i can confirm. the pts is completely broken. crashes in any combat. dueling is impossible.

Mix

Increased the chance to receive furnishing-related rewards from criminal activities like pickpocketing and murder.

mixture of pickpocket, blade of woe and outright murder.
224 stolen treasures, 2 provisioning recipes, 0 furniture-related items

just pickpocket
200 stolen treasures, 0 provisioning recipes, 5 furniture-related items (Breton Mug, Full; Bottle, Liquor; Rough Rod, Fishing; Rough Spear, Fishing; Design: Khajiit Bottle, Amber)

just Blade of Woe
200 stolen treasures, 5 provisioning recipes, 0 furniture-related items

I know it has been said that anywhere you get provisioning recipes you can get furniture patterns, was I just really unlucky with the Blade of Woe loot? or are furniture patterns not on that loot table?

Oreyn_Bearclaw

timidobserver wrote: »

bovardjeff_ESO wrote: »

@timidobserver getting over 2k mag back per damage per second is ridiculous. Really you need to stop thinking like that its overpowered in many situations and needed the nerf. and for the sake of akatosh TRY IT OUT!!!!
complaining and crying wont be listened to back when they released the notes on pts for the weapon ults many were shouting to the heavens that the staff ults were going to be lackluster and underpowered BUT LOOK AT IT NOW the biggest complaint is how staff ults are overpowered. its a full 360 degree flip

Why did you reference me in your post? I haven't said that 2k+ Magicka return isn't overperforming. My post in this thread said the nerf was justified but overdone.

@timidobserver

Pretty much always agree with you, bud. Yes, Desert Rose was bordering on OP. Instead of a subtle tweak that would have been appropriate, they beat it to death with a nerf hammer.

Xsorus

I'm willing to bet that Desert Rose change will only be super noticeable when fighting a lot of people.

probably in 1vs1 and 1vs2 you wont' notice it that much.

WillhelmBlack

Nice change to Dragon Blood. You've just completely ruined a set that wasn't even overpowered in any way though. It performed well only when you were heavily outnumbered, thankyou ZOS for trying your best to completely destroy PvP with every single update.

Just a quick question for @Wrobel.

Have you ever even used the Desert Rose set? What did you think of it?

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Xsorus wrote: »

I'm willing to bet that Desert Rose change will only be super noticeable when fighting a lot of people.

probably in 1vs1 and 1vs2 you wont' notice it that much.

The whole point of Desert Rose was that it become better when you were out numbered. It was also predominantly used by a class with really expensive skills that struggled to sustain (mDK). They have totally nullified that advantage, thus making the set pretty useless. In 1 v 1, there are better sets than desert rose anyway for sustain.

Ill keep saying it, but nobody will listen. Why didnt they make a small adjustment? How about try a 2 second cooldown and see how that goes for a few weeks? If they would make subtle balance changes more frequently based on actual feedback and results, instead of just randomly dropping the nerf hammer on things once a quarter, we wouldnt be in this mess.

Also, I am admittedly really upset about this one because I recently dropped a bunch of gold on it. You know what I will do now? Probably just run Black Rose like every other freaking stamboy that doesnt have to give 2 seconds of thought to have pretty much infinite sustain and max damage. Sidebar: What they did to Black Rose was a nice example of a subtle nerf on a set that was arguably over-performing.

As a magic DK, we actually have to make tradeoffs. We had one unique set that brought our sustain to a competitive level, especially when outnumbered and bam, Nerfhammer.

Shame they didnt drop the same nerfhammer on all the mulit proc set cancer stambuilds out there. Newsflash, nobody ever got killed by desert rose. They might have been killed by a skilled player wearing it, but there is a huge difference.

Betheny

All sittable furniture that comes with furnished houses needs to be picked up, plonked down while yellow once (because it won't place unhighlighted at all, it stays yellow), then picked up again to place it down unhighlighted so it's now usable. And you have to do that with all the chairs of a type to make that type of chair work.

Guessing this is part of the "existing furniture" and seating bug. Massive hassle though in a large place like Earthtear Cavern.

Elara_Northwind

Betheny wrote: »

All sittable furniture that comes with furnished houses needs to be picked up, plonked down while yellow once (because it won't place unhighlighted at all, it stays yellow), then picked up again to place it down unhighlighted so it's now usable. And you have to do that with all the chairs of a type to make that type of chair work.

Guessing this is part of the "existing furniture" and seating bug. Massive hassle though in a large place like Earthtear Cavern.

Its not just furniture, crafting stations keep needing to be picked up and replaced in order to use them too. I placed a total of 46 attunable crafting stations in one of the manors for my friends and I to use, and now and again I have to go back and individually pick them all up and replace them because they have stopped working, its a real pain!

Preyfar

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE GAME PATCHKhajiit claws will now remain visible when equipping Yokudan medium bracers.

Oh my god, you have no idea how happy I am this is finally fixed.

WillhelmBlack

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

I'm willing to bet that Desert Rose change will only be super noticeable when fighting a lot of people.

probably in 1vs1 and 1vs2 you wont' notice it that much.

The whole point of Desert Rose was that it become better when you were out numbered. It was also predominantly used by a class with really expensive skills that struggled to sustain (mDK). They have totally nullified that advantage, thus making the set pretty useless. In 1 v 1, there are better sets than desert rose anyway for sustain.

Ill keep saying it, but nobody will listen. Why didnt they make a small adjustment? How about try a 2 second cooldown and see how that goes for a few weeks? If they would make subtle balance changes more frequently based on actual feedback and results, instead of just randomly dropping the nerf hammer on things once a quarter, we wouldnt be in this mess.

Also, I am admittedly really upset about this one because I recently dropped a bunch of gold on it. You know what I will do now? Probably just run Black Rose like every other freaking stamboy that doesnt have to give 2 seconds of thought to have pretty much infinite sustain and max damage. Sidebar: What they did to Black Rose was a nice example of a subtle nerf on a set that was arguably over-performing.

As a magic DK, we actually have to make tradeoffs. We had one unique set that brought our sustain to a competitive level, especially when outnumbered and bam, Nerfhammer.

Shame they didnt drop the same nerfhammer on all the mulit proc set cancer stambuilds out there. Newsflash, nobody ever got killed by desert rose. They might have been killed by a skilled player wearing it, but there is a huge difference.

Amen.

Reikyce

Lukums1 wrote: »

So basically DK patch notes and...

Added approximately 250 furnishings to the Housing Editor's Crown tab. This includes a wide variety of items as well as non-set Crafting Station

Money...Money...Money....

This is why most warned the Crown Store is a cancer... it starts small enough but in the end it still kills the game.

Xsorus

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

I'm willing to bet that Desert Rose change will only be super noticeable when fighting a lot of people.

probably in 1vs1 and 1vs2 you wont' notice it that much.

The whole point of Desert Rose was that it become better when you were out numbered. It was also predominantly used by a class with really expensive skills that struggled to sustain (mDK). They have totally nullified that advantage, thus making the set pretty useless. In 1 v 1, there are better sets than desert rose anyway for sustain.

Ill keep saying it, but nobody will listen. Why didnt they make a small adjustment? How about try a 2 second cooldown and see how that goes for a few weeks? If they would make subtle balance changes more frequently based on actual feedback and results, instead of just randomly dropping the nerf hammer on things once a quarter, we wouldnt be in this mess.

Also, I am admittedly really upset about this one because I recently dropped a bunch of gold on it. You know what I will do now? Probably just run Black Rose like every other freaking stamboy that doesnt have to give 2 seconds of thought to have pretty much infinite sustain and max damage. Sidebar: What they did to Black Rose was a nice example of a subtle nerf on a set that was arguably over-performing.

As a magic DK, we actually have to make tradeoffs. We had one unique set that brought our sustain to a competitive level, especially when outnumbered and bam, Nerfhammer.

Shame they didnt drop the same nerfhammer on all the mulit proc set cancer stambuilds out there. Newsflash, nobody ever got killed by desert rose. They might have been killed by a skilled player wearing it, but there is a huge difference.

It was pretty damn powerful and probably did need a reduction. I still say it won't be as noticeable as you think it will.

Now they could of went a different route with it to keep the viability of multiple people hitting the target by simply Decreasing the amount of Mana Returned Per Proc while keeping the 1 second cooldown. This would of kept it powerful on multiple targets but weaker for 1v1 and 1v2 fights.

Or they could add another set that does exactly and let the player choose between Stronger Crowd Fighting vs Stronger 1v1's

Hearts_Wake

Thumbs up

VonSwaego

So the trainee nerf is going to happen? Guess it's back to playing they way YOU want me too...
Boring.

Joy_Division

ku5h wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Good update aside from turning Desert Rose into another unusable gear set. Looking forward to testing the focused charge animation changes.

Wouldnt call this set unusable. Its currently ridiculous return. Good change.

Desert Rose in now suboptimal decon trash. 4 second cool down means max you can get is 15K magicka in 1 minute. This is assuming all conditions are met and no down time, i.e. actually getting hit consistently for a minute and getting a string of 15% procs.

I'll get more return out of Magicka Furnace and Lich without having to be a punching bag.

Classic case of ZoS over-nerfing something into uselessness. I'm glad I waited before wasting my AP on this.

Not really!
You get 15 ticks in 1 minute. Every tick is 2.5k magicka, so it would be 37.5k magicka in one min.
Not bad when you do the math properly, right!?!
Right now ppl can have 5k mag regen equivalent if attacked by multiple ppl, just from 1 set bonus. Add to that Elusive Mist and you have unkillable trolls who can pull entire raids around while replenishing magicka.
Who says thats fine is either biased or flat out out of his mind.

Yes misremembered the proc amount, but the point still stands: Why be a punching bag and take all that damage just to hope to get a string of procs when you can get 20K+ plus unmodified, i.e. before CP bonuses, passives, and other random positive modifier to regen, magicka just for running low. It's no contest. Unless you want to be a troll and be in mist form all day.

As Timdiobserver pointed out, yes, this set was too strong. I certainly did not claim it was fine. But once again, Zos used a bludgeon when a scalpel would have been best

Master_Kas

Crashing constantly after just a few minutes in game...