Fix Grim Focus! Please don't wait! Update 13 is the obvious time.

Dracane

So magicka NB gets 8% more damage for simply slotting an ability (that is very strong on its own) and 8% magicka almost for free and they stilll complain. Impressive

Brrrofski

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Notice that I never said the destro passives are buffing mageblade relative to other classes' dps. This is an overall PvP damage buff and a universal magicka PvE dps buff. We're receiving other direct buffs.

Also I have never noticed Grim Focus being "clunky" or buggy. As long as you don't try to animation cancel the arrow (it has a .1s channel time, read the tooltip), it works fine. I'm so confused at how this ability is suddenly enraging the entire PvE community...

Maybe it's a console thing, but it makes the proc noise then go to cast, just refreshes it. Happens at least 1/3 of the time for me. I know it has a cast time, I'm fully aware of the mechanic of the skill. It just isn't there a lot of the time. In PvP that is brutal. Bursting is already a lot harder to pull off than a sorc or a stam build. Then when you line it all perfectly only for that to bug out and the guy lives... So disheartening.

Nothing to do with the buff time. 20 seconds is a long time in a fight to get 4 weaves. I'm fine with the time and having to refresh it, as long as it works.

NightbladeMechanics

Path and Shade are already efficient dots for PvE dps.

Brrrofski wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Notice that I never said the destro passives are buffing mageblade relative to other classes' dps. This is an overall PvP damage buff and a universal magicka PvE dps buff. We're receiving other direct buffs.

Also I have never noticed Grim Focus being "clunky" or buggy. As long as you don't try to animation cancel the arrow (it has a .1s channel time, read the tooltip), it works fine. I'm so confused at how this ability is suddenly enraging the entire PvE community...

Maybe it's a console thing, but it makes the proc noise then go to cast, just refreshes it. Happens at least 1/3 of the time for me. I know it has a cast time, I'm fully aware of the mechanic of the skill. It just isn't there a lot of the time. In PvP that is brutal. Bursting is already a lot harder to pull off than a sorc or a stam build. Then when you line it all perfectly only for that to bug out and the guy lives... So disheartening.

Nothing to do with the buff time. 20 seconds is a long time in a fight to get 4 weaves. I'm fine with the time and having to refresh it, as long as it works.

I've not encountered this unless I mistakenly block or roll during the little channel time. Perhaps it is a console thing? That would be interesting and discouraging to hear.

thankyourat

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Path and Shade are already efficient dots for PvE dps.

Brrrofski wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Notice that I never said the destro passives are buffing mageblade relative to other classes' dps. This is an overall PvP damage buff and a universal magicka PvE dps buff. We're receiving other direct buffs.

Also I have never noticed Grim Focus being "clunky" or buggy. As long as you don't try to animation cancel the arrow (it has a .1s channel time, read the tooltip), it works fine. I'm so confused at how this ability is suddenly enraging the entire PvE community...

Maybe it's a console thing, but it makes the proc noise then go to cast, just refreshes it. Happens at least 1/3 of the time for me. I know it has a cast time, I'm fully aware of the mechanic of the skill. It just isn't there a lot of the time. In PvP that is brutal. Bursting is already a lot harder to pull off than a sorc or a stam build. Then when you line it all perfectly only for that to bug out and the guy lives... So disheartening.

Nothing to do with the buff time. 20 seconds is a long time in a fight to get 4 weaves. I'm fine with the time and having to refresh it, as long as it works.

I've not encountered this unless I mistakenly block or roll during the little channel time. Perhaps it is a console thing? That would be interesting and discouraging to hear.

He's right the skill is buggy on console not only does the ability make the sound that it's ready when it's not. The spectral bow picture on the ability bar will show ready and when you press it it just recast the ability it's very annoying.

thankyourat

Dracane wrote: »

So magicka NB gets 8% more damage for simply slotting an ability (that is very strong on its own) and 8% magicka almost for free and they stilll complain. Impressive

Well magblade DPS had been the lowest for sometime now the complaints were going to come eventually. It's also very difficult to play open world PvP with probably the most difficult magicka class at the moment

Duukar

timwilcoxsonub17_ESO wrote: »

I play stam NB every day pvp focus. Grim focus is just fine the way it is. Honestly I keep it on my back bar and switch over just for the 20 second buff. No other class gets a buff this powerful with an optionally triggered heavy hitting attack. Like I said my main is stamblade, and I think this is a ridiculous complaint. 10 times out of 10 I don't use the bow anyway cause the buff is enough to get the job done. Pressing the button 1 extra time to fire it and then 1 more to reapply.....and your complaining?

Mageblade needs the burst dude. We dont have incap and surprise attack to do all our work...

DUUUUHHHH

Duukar

Dymence wrote: »

20 Seconds isn't long enough to land 4 light attacks? Wtf are you doing in this game?

EDIT for a bit more constructive commentary...:

The ability is pretty much fine as it is right now. You realize that you had to do even more light attacks previously?

There is only one quality of life change this ability needs, and that is allowing people to keep shooting bows for as long as the ability is running. What I mean by this is that you don't weave 4 light attacks, shoot the bow and then recast the ability, but that you can 'proc' as many bows for the duration of the ability each 4 light attacks.

Another option would be to have the bow automatically fire at the 4th light attack.

You obviously only pve dude.. In PvP good luck landing 4 of anything in 20 seconds...

Duukar

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Wait, do you people really think mNB is getting NERFED next patch?

LOL

Does 8% bonus single target or aoe damage from the new destro staff passives mean nothing to you? EVERYTHING that's happened has been a buff except for the Strife cost increase, which will be inconsequential long term.

I can get behind increasing the duration of Grim Focus' base buff, but NOT multiple procs per buff OR removing the recast. It absolutely baffles me that people consider that being a good idea.

Making dpsing on mageblade EASIER should not be the goal. Ask for numbers to be tuned up elsewhere in the kit, and then l2p.

The Path buffs should be celebrated for PvE. Every mageblade should be using that ability already -- I pulled 45k dps in vMoL last patch with purple gear and Refreshing Path -- so embrace those and ask for similar tuneups. Do NOT advocate fundamentally changing the class's play patterns because you don't like managing buffs!

Glad youve come around to the duration increase idea. That IMO is all this skill needs. It needs it badly though.

They also need to fix the issue where the bow icon comes up and when you press it just refreshes the buff. i think this is a by-product of the 20 seconds expiring once the bow has procced which would be alleviated by a duration increase.

NightbladeMechanics

thankyourat wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Path and Shade are already efficient dots for PvE dps.

Brrrofski wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Notice that I never said the destro passives are buffing mageblade relative to other classes' dps. This is an overall PvP damage buff and a universal magicka PvE dps buff. We're receiving other direct buffs.

Also I have never noticed Grim Focus being "clunky" or buggy. As long as you don't try to animation cancel the arrow (it has a .1s channel time, read the tooltip), it works fine. I'm so confused at how this ability is suddenly enraging the entire PvE community...

Maybe it's a console thing, but it makes the proc noise then go to cast, just refreshes it. Happens at least 1/3 of the time for me. I know it has a cast time, I'm fully aware of the mechanic of the skill. It just isn't there a lot of the time. In PvP that is brutal. Bursting is already a lot harder to pull off than a sorc or a stam build. Then when you line it all perfectly only for that to bug out and the guy lives... So disheartening.

Nothing to do with the buff time. 20 seconds is a long time in a fight to get 4 weaves. I'm fine with the time and having to refresh it, as long as it works.

I've not encountered this unless I mistakenly block or roll during the little channel time. Perhaps it is a console thing? That would be interesting and discouraging to hear.

He's right the skill is buggy on console not only does the ability make the sound that it's ready when it's not. The spectral bow picture on the ability bar will show ready and when you press it it just recast the ability it's very annoying.

It does not behave that way on PC in the slightest. I find it to be a smooth and reliable skill, albeit one that I need to play around carefully because the channel time and recast make me work to get a good proc to land.

(I like this about the skill. That proc hits like a truck and needs a mechanic to moderate it.)

Dang, we need console Grim Focus bug fixes!

NightbladeMechanics

Duukar wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Wait, do you people really think mNB is getting NERFED next patch?

LOL

Does 8% bonus single target or aoe damage from the new destro staff passives mean nothing to you? EVERYTHING that's happened has been a buff except for the Strife cost increase, which will be inconsequential long term.

I can get behind increasing the duration of Grim Focus' base buff, but NOT multiple procs per buff OR removing the recast. It absolutely baffles me that people consider that being a good idea.

Making dpsing on mageblade EASIER should not be the goal. Ask for numbers to be tuned up elsewhere in the kit, and then l2p.

The Path buffs should be celebrated for PvE. Every mageblade should be using that ability already -- I pulled 45k dps in vMoL last patch with purple gear and Refreshing Path -- so embrace those and ask for similar tuneups. Do NOT advocate fundamentally changing the class's play patterns because you don't like managing buffs!

Glad youve come around to the duration increase idea. That IMO is all this skill needs. It needs it badly though.

They also need to fix the issue where the bow icon comes up and when you press it just refreshes the buff. i think this is a by-product of the 20 seconds expiring once the bow has procced which would be alleviated by a duration increase.

Dude I'm all for a longer duration on the base buff as long as it doesn't give multiple procs without a recast. The buff is strong, but the proc is what's dangerous. Also, recasting to prime another proc refreshes the buff already. Increasing the duration of the base buff with only have an implication on gameplay if you choose not to proc the ability or wait a long time to shoot the arrow (not that these would be incorrect decisions in various situations).

A practiced mageblade can get a proc up reliably within 2-3 seconds of casting the buff. You don't actually have to land the light attacks for them to count toward priming the proc you know. You just need a target.

Domander

All I want is for the bow attack to reset the buff, that's it. Longer would be nice yes, but I think to maintain it's power it's about right.

olsborg

As long as they dont touch the base buff, minor berserk, the procc itself might need changed, like remove the cast time and imo it would be alright.