Make 2hd great again?

Pallio

Any chance 2hd will suck less in this patch?

NightbladeMechanics

Wtf? Do you live under a rock?

Airyus

a little bit of specifics would be nice. 2 hand weapons are still quite wonderful for Stam builds.

Horowonnoe

Make 2h great again?
Perhaps we should make the magsorcs pay for it...

mr_wazzabi

If they can parse as high as dw in trials then I'm all for it.

Right now 2h is a pvp weapon, which is a shame.

usmcjdking

2H will work in Homestead (LA/Crit Charge/LA procs Kena), but it still won't be close to BIS only because it simply does not provide the necessary buffs to make up for the loss of a 12th piece. And it's ultimate is pointless in PVE.

Pallio

Debating deleting my 2hd imperial stamplar for something good, used to play him as main, but, I guess it is time to move on to the DW Kajiit NB or DK still can't decide.

MalakithAlamahdi

2h is one of the strongest stamina weapons you can have. What have you been smoking?

Pallio

Looking for trials end game dps, not pvp.

Stamden

What they need to do:

1. Two piece set bonuses for 2h weapons
2. Cleave reworked into viable AoE
3. Ult needs massive buffs

Pallio

2hd was always my favorate play style, works in pvp but is underperforming in pve, wish they would fix it to be competitive with DW dps.

Redn3ck

If you give 2H the second piece it'll will over shadow SW in PVE...you have everything you need in that skill line for both PVE and pvp.
If you are gunna give 2H the second set piece, you have to spilt Rally like you did Wrecking blow...

Pallio

The issue really is the added wd/SD dw gives that makes it better.. in addition to the extra set piece.

leepalmer95

Dw got its spell and wpn damage nerfed.

So thats a kind of buff to dw.

Why can't 1 just be better in pve and 1 better in pvp?

Pallio

They reduces the %dmg passive, the added wd/SD is from having 2 eguiped..

Anyway, nerfing dw isn't the answer.

Pallio

Increasing the dmg of 2hd/Bow to = dw would be a better option.

leepalmer95

Pallio wrote: »

Increasing the dmg of 2hd/Bow to = dw would be a better option.

Or just leave it as it is.

They already buffed bow.

2h is fine as it is, it's mainly always used in pvp.

J2JMC

Pallio wrote: »

2hd was always my favorate play style, works in pvp but is underperforming in pve, wish they would fix it to be competitive with DW dps.

It's not about pvp vs pve. It's about melee sustained dps vs melee burst dps

On stamina classes 2h offers ridiculous burst+survivability while dual wielding offers sustained dps +more ways to increase that dps. If 2h gets more sustained dps is dw going to get better burst? At that point why even have other skills if weapon lines are going to do everything?

Also before ZOS even thinks of buffing 2h they need to gut rally.

Pallio

The mention of pvp was because 2hd is only good in pvp, worthless in end game pve compared to dw dps.

Faulgor

J2JMC wrote: »

Pallio wrote: »

2hd was always my favorate play style, works in pvp but is underperforming in pve, wish they would fix it to be competitive with DW dps.

It's not about pvp vs pve. It's about melee sustained dps vs melee burst dps

On stamina classes 2h offers ridiculous burst+survivability while dual wielding offers sustained dps +more ways to increase that dps. If 2h gets more sustained dps is dw going to get better burst? At that point why even have other skills if weapon lines are going to do everything?

Also before ZOS even thinks of buffing 2h they need to gut rally.

Generally I'd agree, but sustain vs burst only works for ST.
For AoE, DW has the burst damage (Steel Tornado) and 2H has the DoT (Cleave), although it's crap.

Strider_Roshin

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Pallio wrote: »

Increasing the dmg of 2hd/Bow to = dw would be a better option.

Or just leave it as it is.

They already buffed bow.

2h is fine as it is, it's mainly always used in pvp.

A better approach would be to make them equally competitive in both aspects. As much as people say 2H is superior in PvP, I disagree. On my DK, and Sorc I DW in PvP; whereas on my Templar, and Nightblade I use the 2H.

My reasons? DW allows for better gear combinations, and I can have a WD enchant on one sword, while having a crushing enchant on the other; giving me even more damage. Also Flurry is by far superior to uppercut against anyone with a lick of talent. On my NB, and Templar I use the 2H for the major brutality.

In PvE I use DW for ALL of my characters. This is not balanced.

Now as much as I would like it, I don't think we should make the 2H count as two item pieces. Whereas I would prefer it if they made the 2H provide more weapon damage than DW. This way they'll be comparable in strength, while maintaining to be unique.

STEVIL

J2JMC wrote: »

Pallio wrote: »

2hd was always my favorate play style, works in pvp but is underperforming in pve, wish they would fix it to be competitive with DW dps.

It's not about pvp vs pve. It's about melee sustained dps vs melee burst dps

On stamina classes 2h offers ridiculous burst+survivability while dual wielding offers sustained dps +more ways to increase that dps. If 2h gets more sustained dps is dw going to get better burst? At that point why even have other skills if weapon lines are going to do everything?

Also before ZOS even thinks of buffing 2h they need to gut rally.

Agree and disagree sort of in that i agrere with your points and think no change is needed at the moment beyond the tweaks to damage in the PTS.

key is, to me at least, the two weapon lines serve different purposes which makes them better at different content.

2H shines at burst+survive and DW shines at sustain-DPS+AOE (to me) and those make for meaningful choices.as to which to learn and which to use for each area.

Right now, if you run both PVp and trials it is worth it to know both DW and 2H it seems.

But if they made 2h as good at trials as DW then why learn DW?

if you look thru these threads across the forums a large number of them take a subject, put on blinders and look thru a pinhole to so restrict the view to one narrow aspect or another and try to ignore or dismiss everything else often painting it as "but for this content its..." etc.

What this really misses is the notions that the game has lotsa different types of content and if all the weapons were equally good at all the different types of content, then weapon choices really wouldnt matter one bit.

Pallio

Even with the dw nerfs the base wd/SD is higher with DW due to the base weapon dmg. Bow/Staffs should be equal to 2hd base weapon dmg as they are all 2h weapons... that would fix alot and no make wizards have 2x swords to max sd in addition to making bow main weapon actually feasible.

Pallio

So 2hd will remain pointless outside of pvp I guess, which is sad it does have some interesting skills.

Cadbury

2hd = PvP
DW = PvE

Probably gonna be the permanent meta going forward

Rohaus

The single biggest reason why I use 2H in pvp is because of Forward Momentum. If DW had something comparable to Forward Momentum, I would switch to DW.

The constant root spam, snare, slow effects reduce your damage to inconsequential if you can't move and DPS for at least 5+ seconds. FM gives 8 seconds which surpasses anything else as a stamina based character!

Mojmir

It still not as good as dw,simply because it counting as one pc to a set

SanTii.92

Oh man I'm so sick of the 'make x great again' .. And I'm not even american.

willlienellson

SanTii.92 wrote: »

And I'm not even american.

Maybe that's why?

SanTii.92

willlienellson wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

And I'm not even american.

Maybe that's why?

Eh, i'm pretty sure if i would i'd hate it even more

STEVIL

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