FINALLY NERFED THANK YOU ZOS

Alcast

Ashen Grip definitely deserved the nerf


Oh and Syvarras Scale too


*** me, I think that 5% PROC CHANCE DESERVES ANOTHER NERF

Kutsuu

Universal nerfs that include sets nobody uses? Seems reasonable. Good post @Alcast

Taylor_MB

Leeching Plate Set
LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160
(2 items) Adds 1064 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 4% Healing Taken
(4 items) Adds 4% Healing Taken
(5 items) When you take damage, you have a 8% chance to summon a cloud of leeching poison under the attack that deals 1204 Poison Damage in a 4 meter radius every 1 second for 5 seconds and heals you for 100% of the damage caused.

no more crit dmg or heals from my favourite solo vet dungeons set

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Ice Furnace says hi.



also,

GreenSoup2HoT

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY SPAWN OF MEPHALA MONSTER SET D':

olsborg

They dropped the ball completely when trying to nerf proccsets in pvp, what they ended up doing was nerf them very much so in pve, but not rly do much in terms of pvp. Sure they wont hit as hard as before, but they are still stackable with other sets and with other players using same sets vs same targets.

acw37162

Large scale blanket changes generally do not have w a positive outcome.

I consider this a large scale blanket change. Crit heals and damage on proc sets touch somewhere around 70'ish sets give or take to handle a dozen? Or so sets that are currently causing a lot of problems.

Not saying this is not a positive step but it touches a lot of things in this game outside of viper - velidreth - selenes ganks.

Alcast brings up two rather unique examples and the poster mentioning Spawn of Mephala another.

On top of an underriding issue; if the change is enough of a DPS loss to make other gear options besides monster sets more advantageous the could in one swoop kill any reason to run dungeons for 2 - X months until they balance patch again. Which for PVP players may seem great but for the percentage of the community makes the game harder to play.

Hoping this works out well, won't be surprised if it flops.

Manoekin

Doesn't mean the sets won't be individually balanced. Not that I would count on it either, but yeah. They need to be looked at and redone individually. Why in the hell would anyone ever want to use a set that has a lower chance to proc, on a longer cooldown, and which does less damage? Like no one really thought these things through the first time.

PainfulFAFA

Manoekin wrote: »

Doesn't mean the sets won't be individually balanced. Not that I would count on it either, but yeah. They need to be looked at and redone individually. Why in the hell would anyone ever want to use a set that has a lower chance to proc, on a longer cooldown, and which does less damage? Like no one really thought these things through the first time.

Wrobel

Draxys

olsborg wrote: »

They dropped the ball completely when trying to nerf proccsets in pvp, what they ended up doing was nerf them very much so in pve, but not rly do much in terms of pvp. Sure they wont hit as hard as before, but they are still stackable with other sets and with other players using same sets vs same targets.

Is anyone really going to be surprised though? This is the zenimax way, screw something up but either destroy or do nothing to the original issue.

nordsavage

olsborg wrote: »

They dropped the ball completely when trying to nerf proccsets in pvp, what they ended up doing was nerf them very much so in pve, but not rly do much in terms of pvp. Sure they wont hit as hard as before, but they are still stackable with other sets and with other players using same sets vs same targets.

Yeah this is one of the most ill conceived changes they have ever made. A PvP nerf that only really effects PvE. Nobody goes into PvP looking to crit it is all about raw base damage, outside of stealth ganking. But in PvE you focus on crit due to factors like thief and shadow mundus, major/minor force and class passives like pressure points, hemmorage, piercing spear and exploitation. How anyone can agree with this change to PvE is beyond me. Change the sets, change PvP but do not remove a whole stat from these sets especially the undaunted.

redspecter23

70 sets worth of collateral damage to "fix" 7 of them. Seems about right.

I'm really hoping they do individual passes on all the proc sets (and other sets too while they're at it) knowing that most were underpowered before this nerf hit and will be worse than garbage without some tweaking to go along with the nerf. The Leeching set in particular as mentioned above really hurts as I'm using that set in niche situations but I'm not destroying the leaderboards in pvp with it. Don't judge all proc sets on the overpowered nature of a few. Blanket nerfs like this are never a good solution.

bebynnag

im curious will it effect my fave leveling set?
(i have a purple level 4 set that i equip to all new toons)

Oblivion's Foe

(2 items) Adds X Health Recovery

(3 items) Adds X Stamina Recovery

(4 items) Adds X Magicka Recovery

(5 items) Increase the damage of your Soul Trap abilities by 100%.

arkansas_ESO

puffytheslayer wrote: »

im curious will it effect my fave leveling set?
(i have a purple level 4 set that i equip to all new toons)

Oblivion's Foe

(2 items) Adds X Health Recovery

(3 items) Adds X Stamina Recovery

(4 items) Adds X Magicka Recovery

(5 items) Increase the damage of your Soul Trap abilities by 100%.

Doesn't count as a proc set according to ZOS, no nerf

Sugaroverdose

Someone did use syvarra's on cheesy heavy blackrose stamdk and said that it's damage and proc chance is viable, aslo it's AoE, can't remember those guy nickname

redspecter23 wrote: »

70 sets worth of collateral damage to "fix" 7 of them. Seems about right.

I'm really hoping they do individual passes on all the proc sets (and other sets too while they're at it) knowing that most were underpowered before this nerf hit and will be worse than garbage without some tweaking to go along with the nerf. The Leeching set in particular as mentioned above really hurts as I'm using that set in niche situations but I'm not destroying the leaderboards in pvp with it. Don't judge all proc sets on the overpowered nature of a few. Blanket nerfs like this are never a good solution.

Can you post list of those mysterious 70 sets?

Cinbri

So, people yet don't know anything about rebalancing but once again pretend like they do just from sneak peak...
Bravo!

bebynnag

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

im curious will it effect my fave leveling set?
(i have a purple level 4 set that i equip to all new toons)

Oblivion's Foe

(2 items) Adds X Health Recovery

(3 items) Adds X Stamina Recovery

(4 items) Adds X Magicka Recovery

(5 items) Increase the damage of your Soul Trap abilities by 100%.

Doesn't count as a proc set according to ZOS, no nerf

Thank you

I was just on my way to edit my 1st post - having re read sneak peak of natch potes - teaches me for posting on forums before having a coffee! i thought it was all set buffs wouldnt crit!

I sure am glad i golded my viper daggers now! (sarcasm)

Dreyloch

I'm curious about how Ice Heart is supposed to work now lol. I know no one really uses it. I just think it's funny.

1) adds 688 spell crit

2)When you deal Critical Damage, you have a 20% chance to gain a damage shield that absorbs 8600 damage for 6 seconds. While the damage shield holds, you deal 770 Cold Damage to all enemies within 5 meters of you every 1 second. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds.

Ahzek

Dreyloch wrote: »

I'm curious about how Ice Heart is supposed to work now lol. I know no one really uses it. I just think it's funny.

1) adds 688 spell crit

2)When you deal Critical Damage, you have a 20% chance to gain a damage shield that absorbs 8600 damage for 6 seconds. While the damage shield holds, you deal 770 Cold Damage to all enemies within 5 meters of you every 1 second. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds.

Ice heart will still be able to procc off critical damage done by non procc attacks (so basically any attack of your typical iceheart build except winterborn) .
The pulsing AoE of it however will no longer be able to crit.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Cinbri wrote: »

So, people yet don't know anything about rebalancing but once again pretend like they do just from sneak peak...
Bravo!

After nearly 3 years playing this game, we know ZOS.

• We know the cure is usually worse than the disease.
• We know the combat fundamentals, which have been rotting every since craplorn came out and PvP started its period of neglect, are often ignored in favor of superficial bandaid fixes.
• We know that the loudest voices are often heard and the best performing sets, skills, etc get nerfed while underperforming or broken sets rarely get a buff.
• We know that the amount of regen can be attained and how skills scale so strongly from attribute stacking is the root cause of a lot of issues but sets and skills get nerfed instead of resource scaling and regen.

I can still be hopeful for change that ZOS will address the fundamentals and do more buffs than nerfs but forgive us our skepticism.

Buff Ashen Grip, and all under-performing crafted sets for that matter. Proc sets aren't that bad. Its just bad when there are only about 4 powerful ones.

LegacyDM

Alcast wrote: »

Ashen Grip definitely deserved the nerf


Oh and Syvarras Scale too


*** me, I think that 5% PROC CHANCE DESERVES ANOTHER NERF

While we are at it, What about my overwhelming surge set? No one uses this set and it just got nerfed hard.

Volrion

Why not just have global cooldown on proc sets? Isn't that the only really issue here? Don't let players stack the procs and we'll be fine.

Panda_iMunch

Man, they really should nerf that Willow's Path next. *** is breaking pvp

Lucky28

SourishWhale wrote: »

Why not just have global cooldown on proc sets? Isn't that the only really issue here? Don't let players stack the procs and we'll be fine.

Yes!. The issue is stacking damage procs (viper/widow etc) this is gonna hurt sets that aren't the issue. which is a shame. really hope they re-think this and come up with another solution.

Bandit1215

Panda_iMunch wrote: »

Man, they really should nerf that Willow's Path next. *** is breaking pvp

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Kas

Cinbri wrote: »

So, people yet don't know anything about rebalancing but once again pretend like they do just from sneak peak...
Bravo!

true - however, you could at least say that their sneak peak is chosen weirdly. especially if you look at the aoe cap part without any mention of eots vs other aoe attacks rebalance. i'll still hope for the best, but the sneak peak didn't really get me excited

Nifty2g

This is such *** I can't believe they are nerfing my favorite set


Going to be *** useless now. It's heal wont even crit

MalakithAlamahdi

I hope they just remove proc sets all together.

LegacyDM

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

I hope they just remove proc sets all together.

They can't. Proc sets combat lag. They spread people out.

arkansas_ESO

LegacyDM wrote: »

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

I hope they just remove proc sets all together.

They can't. Proc sets combat lag. They spread people out.

They help keep the population low, for sure.