HOw is this possible?

Earthewen

I was just hit with 7 flame lashes in less than a 10th of a second. How is that even possible? Isn't there a windup on that? Also, how can this same player hit someone with a flame lash, a fire siege, and a arrow all at the same time, and the flame lash is the only thing visible and being used according to the screen visually? The time stamp also says it all happened in 10ths of the second.

BTW - this is someone who disappeared from the game for quite sometime and then has returned with all the foreign language things in his name to prevent people from reporting him.

Taylor_MB

Post a screenshot of your combat log with the time stamps mate. Probably best to cover up player name also (except first letter so we can see it is the same person hitting you) so it doesn't get censored.

Earthewen

Unfortunately, I didn't take a screenshot or I would have reported him for macro-ing. I'm hearing from guildies that that is the only way to get those skills off like that.

Kas

your guildmates have no clue. macros don't do that. only two things can:
1) lag + buggy eso code (very probable)
2) actual cheating (see CE "scandal")

a macro == recorded/programmed chain of inputs, doesn't do that

Earthewen

But I hear scripting can. Is that accurate?

Drummerx04

Earthewen wrote: »

But I hear scripting can. Is that accurate?

Maybe? If the scripting occurs through some external cheat program, then sure.

Macroing, definitely not, spam any skill button as fast as you can and you won't suddenly be able to bypass global skill cooldowns.

Most likely you are merely a victim of network lag. It happens all the time but does not point directly to intentional cheating.

If you see the same guy then go up to the next 34 people and super whip spam kill them all, then I'd be pretty suspicious.

umagon

My theory is some deconstructed the issue with the charge bug where skills get queued up and made a program that emulates that. The charge bug seem to be partly client side if someone weapon swaps during the bug it will pull them out of it. And it seems that server will accept all skill inputs during the bug duration which may indicate it is partly a desynchronization problem. So someone could make a program that intentionally desync their skills and possibly other actions.

Kutsuu

That kinda thing happens often with lag spikes, when your client catches up weird stuff happens. Unless this person is able to do it repeatedly I wouldn't just accuse them of hacking.

Also as other said, macros can't do anything like that. They still respect the same ~1 second GCD that you have when you use your fingers.

Armitas

Its usually lag that causes it...but in the past people have used in game exploits to induce the lag for the purpose of chaining attacks. The print screen button used to do it, and many people used that exploit. It could be natural lag or it could be induced.

Telel

Since you were fighting a DK one must also ask if you were perhaps shooting him with arrows. If so..you likely were killing yourself since derp knights can reflect those.

Earthewen

Nope. No arrows were involved. He used flame lash at the same time as hitting with a fire siege, all within a 10th of a second, as well as another skill in between. the human muscles, even trained, could not do things that fast. not to mention that seven flame lashes at the same time is bull crap. There's no way that could happen without some kind of third party macro.

I talked to an individual who works with animation, computers, and graphics. He worked on a few movies and totally understands the dynamics much better than I can. There is a particular animation that occurs when scripts and macros are used. There's no way around it, and it can rarely ever be caused by anything else than the scripting and macros. He's been in game and has spotted it immediately. I've known him for years and asked him about it finally. He's a gamer as well, so ...

Earthewen

Armitas wrote: »

Its usually lag that causes it...but in the past people have used in game exploits to induce the lag for the purpose of chaining attacks. The print screen button used to do it, and many people used that exploit. It could be natural lag or it could be induced.

Armitas, that's just crazy. How can people say they're a good player if they have to exploit to do it? This is beyond me how we've come to the place where we honor the cheaters and exploiters and hold them up as examples for everyone else to emulate. We've done it before though, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Last year, a very well known guild was held in the highest esteem out in Cyro. Every faction thought they were the greatest. I even thought they were really good. They switched games and started playing Black Desert.

Well, the company that runs Black Desert doesn't allow exploiting, macro-ing, or cheating in any way. They perma-ban them from the game for all of time. Guess what! That guild that we all thought was the one to emulate? More than half of them were banned from Black Desert. When I found out, I was shocked. Just goes to show you that the people we all "think" is really good, may not be as good as we think. They're just better at being scumbags and keeping it hidden.

Taylor_MB

Dude, you REALLY need to provide any sort of evidence. Uncountable times people have accused other faction players of dodgy *** that I can do with my eyes closed.

Earthewen wrote: »

The time stamp also says it all happened in 10ths of the second.

You should've taken a screenshot of this.

Kutsuu

Earthewen wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Its usually lag that causes it...but in the past people have used in game exploits to induce the lag for the purpose of chaining attacks. The print screen button used to do it, and many people used that exploit. It could be natural lag or it could be induced.

Armitas, that's just crazy. How can people say they're a good player if they have to exploit to do it? This is beyond me how we've come to the place where we honor the cheaters and exploiters and hold them up as examples for everyone else to emulate. We've done it before though, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Last year, a very well known guild was held in the highest esteem out in Cyro. Every faction thought they were the greatest. I even thought they were really good. They switched games and started playing Black Desert.

Well, the company that runs Black Desert doesn't allow exploiting, macro-ing, or cheating in any way. They perma-ban them from the game for all of time. Guess what! That guild that we all thought was the one to emulate? More than half of them were banned from Black Desert. When I found out, I was shocked. Just goes to show you that the people we all "think" is really good, may not be as good as we think. They're just better at being scumbags and keeping it hidden.

The fastest and most adept animation cancelers in this game are not using macros. They are adapting to ever changing latency and using their FINGERS. Macros are restrictive and do nothing that a player cannot do with their fingers.

Seriously like others have said you don't even bring a screenshot of your combat log, immediately dismiss any possibility of lag or outside factors, and jump straight into hacking accusations. It's sad.

It's also rather comical that you think someone who does movie animations has inside information about how ESO's engine works, and has some magical way to tell the difference between animation canceling with fingers and macros. You do realize that macro keyboards/mouses/programs simply emulate keypresses right? They just automate what you can do with your hand.

Darnathian

Earthewen wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Its usually lag that causes it...but in the past people have used in game exploits to induce the lag for the purpose of chaining attacks. The print screen button used to do it, and many people used that exploit. It could be natural lag or it could be induced.

Armitas, that's just crazy. How can people say they're a good player if they have to exploit to do it? This is beyond me how we've come to the place where we honor the cheaters and exploiters and hold them up as examples for everyone else to emulate. We've done it before though, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Last year, a very well known guild was held in the highest esteem out in Cyro. Every faction thought they were the greatest. I even thought they were really good. They switched games and started playing Black Desert.

Well, the company that runs Black Desert doesn't allow exploiting, macro-ing, or cheating in any way. They perma-ban them from the game for all of time. Guess what! That guild that we all thought was the one to emulate? More than half of them were banned from Black Desert. When I found out, I was shocked. Just goes to show you that the people we all "think" is really good, may not be as good as we think. They're just better at being scumbags and keeping it hidden.

Who? Which guild?

God_flakes

Darnathian wrote: »

Earthewen wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Its usually lag that causes it...but in the past people have used in game exploits to induce the lag for the purpose of chaining attacks. The print screen button used to do it, and many people used that exploit. It could be natural lag or it could be induced.

Armitas, that's just crazy. How can people say they're a good player if they have to exploit to do it? This is beyond me how we've come to the place where we honor the cheaters and exploiters and hold them up as examples for everyone else to emulate. We've done it before though, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Last year, a very well known guild was held in the highest esteem out in Cyro. Every faction thought they were the greatest. I even thought they were really good. They switched games and started playing Black Desert.

Well, the company that runs Black Desert doesn't allow exploiting, macro-ing, or cheating in any way. They perma-ban them from the game for all of time. Guess what! That guild that we all thought was the one to emulate? More than half of them were banned from Black Desert. When I found out, I was shocked. Just goes to show you that the people we all "think" is really good, may not be as good as we think. They're just better at being scumbags and keeping it hidden.

Who? Which guild?

Starts with an H.

Astanphaeus

God_flakes wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Earthewen wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Its usually lag that causes it...but in the past people have used in game exploits to induce the lag for the purpose of chaining attacks. The print screen button used to do it, and many people used that exploit. It could be natural lag or it could be induced.

Armitas, that's just crazy. How can people say they're a good player if they have to exploit to do it? This is beyond me how we've come to the place where we honor the cheaters and exploiters and hold them up as examples for everyone else to emulate. We've done it before though, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Last year, a very well known guild was held in the highest esteem out in Cyro. Every faction thought they were the greatest. I even thought they were really good. They switched games and started playing Black Desert.

Well, the company that runs Black Desert doesn't allow exploiting, macro-ing, or cheating in any way. They perma-ban them from the game for all of time. Guess what! That guild that we all thought was the one to emulate? More than half of them were banned from Black Desert. When I found out, I was shocked. Just goes to show you that the people we all "think" is really good, may not be as good as we think. They're just better at being scumbags and keeping it hidden.

Who? Which guild?

Starts with an H.

Earthe is EP, so I'm assuming the one she is more likely talking about starts with a V...

That being said, lag is the most likely culprit.

yodased

You cant macro wgips like that, its like getting 5 or 6 p.injections, its lag or strait up hacking.

Although if hacking they are bypassing gcd, wgich would trigger their anti havk bot code and ban them, so more than likely just a lag apike with someone spamming whip.

God_flakes

Astanphaeus wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Earthewen wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Its usually lag that causes it...but in the past people have used in game exploits to induce the lag for the purpose of chaining attacks. The print screen button used to do it, and many people used that exploit. It could be natural lag or it could be induced.

Armitas, that's just crazy. How can people say they're a good player if they have to exploit to do it? This is beyond me how we've come to the place where we honor the cheaters and exploiters and hold them up as examples for everyone else to emulate. We've done it before though, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Last year, a very well known guild was held in the highest esteem out in Cyro. Every faction thought they were the greatest. I even thought they were really good. They switched games and started playing Black Desert.

Well, the company that runs Black Desert doesn't allow exploiting, macro-ing, or cheating in any way. They perma-ban them from the game for all of time. Guess what! That guild that we all thought was the one to emulate? More than half of them were banned from Black Desert. When I found out, I was shocked. Just goes to show you that the people we all "think" is really good, may not be as good as we think. They're just better at being scumbags and keeping it hidden.

Who? Which guild?

Starts with an H.

Earthe is EP, so I'm assuming the one she is more likely talking about starts with a V...

That being said, lag is the most likely culprit.

As far know they didn't go to BDO. But the H guild did and made a huge production of it.

sirston

God_flakes wrote: »

Astanphaeus wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Earthewen wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Its usually lag that causes it...but in the past people have used in game exploits to induce the lag for the purpose of chaining attacks. The print screen button used to do it, and many people used that exploit. It could be natural lag or it could be induced.

Armitas, that's just crazy. How can people say they're a good player if they have to exploit to do it? This is beyond me how we've come to the place where we honor the cheaters and exploiters and hold them up as examples for everyone else to emulate. We've done it before though, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Last year, a very well known guild was held in the highest esteem out in Cyro. Every faction thought they were the greatest. I even thought they were really good. They switched games and started playing Black Desert.

Well, the company that runs Black Desert doesn't allow exploiting, macro-ing, or cheating in any way. They perma-ban them from the game for all of time. Guess what! That guild that we all thought was the one to emulate? More than half of them were banned from Black Desert. When I found out, I was shocked. Just goes to show you that the people we all "think" is really good, may not be as good as we think. They're just better at being scumbags and keeping it hidden.

Who? Which guild?

Starts with an H.

Earthe is EP, so I'm assuming the one she is more likely talking about starts with a V...

That being said, lag is the most likely culprit.

As far know they didn't go to BDO. But the H guild did and made a huge production of it.

and the H guild Got whooped on BDO ask the @Da_Sandman

God_flakes

sirston wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Astanphaeus wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Earthewen wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Its usually lag that causes it...but in the past people have used in game exploits to induce the lag for the purpose of chaining attacks. The print screen button used to do it, and many people used that exploit. It could be natural lag or it could be induced.

Armitas, that's just crazy. How can people say they're a good player if they have to exploit to do it? This is beyond me how we've come to the place where we honor the cheaters and exploiters and hold them up as examples for everyone else to emulate. We've done it before though, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Last year, a very well known guild was held in the highest esteem out in Cyro. Every faction thought they were the greatest. I even thought they were really good. They switched games and started playing Black Desert.

Well, the company that runs Black Desert doesn't allow exploiting, macro-ing, or cheating in any way. They perma-ban them from the game for all of time. Guess what! That guild that we all thought was the one to emulate? More than half of them were banned from Black Desert. When I found out, I was shocked. Just goes to show you that the people we all "think" is really good, may not be as good as we think. They're just better at being scumbags and keeping it hidden.

Who? Which guild?

Starts with an H.

Earthe is EP, so I'm assuming the one she is more likely talking about starts with a V...

That being said, lag is the most likely culprit.

As far know they didn't go to BDO. But the H guild did and made a huge production of it.

and the H guild Got whooped on BDO ask the @Da_Sandman

Sandy has me blocked-he can't handle me.

I was perusing the BDO forums last night and they do seem like a fun crowd and wow they get away with a lot more on the forums than we do. Made me jealous.

Stovahkiin

Satiar

Why's everyone using letters for guild names? Is ZOS seriously cracking down on naming guilds along with players these days?

IxSTALKERxI

Satiar wrote: »

Why's everyone using letters for guild names? Is ZOS seriously cracking down on naming guilds along with players these days?

I dunno, but apparently guilds are no longer just zerglings, they are macro exploiters to.

raasdal

Lag says hello. Buggy death recap says hello as well.

Dont accuse people of something, unless it happens repeatedly with a pattern.