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Does ESO fat shame?
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I feel that a lot of the people commenting here have not yet tried to make a fat toon in this game. When you try, you find the "fat" scale stops at slightly overweight, but definitely not fat. It's annoying when you actually want to make a larger than life character and be forced to play a slightly chubbier than life one instead
I guess it depends on what you consider to be "fat" and what you consider to be "slightly overweight", then.
I do think the characters who had their pictures posted on this thread look fat. Not morbidly obese, of course, but fat. Nothing wrong with that, they look great imo.Edited by Abeille on December 25, 2016 1:55PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.2 -
BlackSparrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭The game? Not really fat-shaming, because that body type just doesn't exist in game. The biggest I've seen is Nords and Orcs getting a bit thick in the middle. So, like most of the gaming industry, it's more fat-erasing than fat-shaming.
The forums? Very fat-shaming, and I'm sorry you had to make a thread to find that out.
Living vicariously through my characters.
My Girls:"If you were trapped in your house for, say, a year, how would you pass the time?"
Nephikah the Houseless, dunmer assassin: "I suppose I could use the break. I have a lot of business holdings now that need management."
Swum-Many-Waters, elderly argonian healer: "I think that I would enjoy writing a memoir."
Silh'ki, khajiit warrior-chef: "Would this one be able to go outside, to the nearby river? It's hard to fish without water!"
Peregrine Huntress, bosmer hunter: "Who is forcing me to stay inside, and where can I find them?"
Lorenyawe, altmer mechanist: "And why would I want to go outside in the first place? Too much to be done in the workshop."
Lorelai Magpie, breton master thief: "I'd go nuts. Lucky for me, I have a little experience sneaking out!"
Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "I would continue my training to keep my skills sharp."
Hex-Eye Azabi, khajiit daedric priestess: "I suppose it would be lucky, then, that I built a shrine to Mephala in my backyard."
Yngva Stormhammer, nord bandit (reformed...ish): "I hate being inside even when I'm not forced to be. GET. ME. OUT."
Madam Argentia, vampire dunmer aristocrat: "I suppose it would be more of the same. I have a rather... contentious relationship with the sun."
Mazie gra-Bolga, orc scout: "Uh... I'd have to house train my bear..."
Felicia the Wanderer, imperial witch-for-hire: "What Lorelai said."
Calico Jaka-dra, retired khajiit pirate: "This one would like a rest from her grand adventures. Her jewel shop runs out of stock!"
Shimmerbeam, blind altmer psijic: "Provided that I am confined to Artaeum, I do not think I will want for things to occupy my time."
Shauna Blackfire, redguard necromancer: "Sounds like paradise. I hate people."
Kirniel the Undying, cursed bosmer warrior: "I would feel useless, not being able to fight."
Echoes-from-Dragons, argonian who thinks she's a dragon: "All the better to count my hoard!"
(Signature idea shamelessly stolen from Abeille.)2 -
Junipus✭✭✭✭✭Being fat is bad. Being fat is unhealthy. Deal with it. Being fat is not a way of life. It's just unhealthy and a videogame should not promote that.
You seem to misunderstand what promote means, which is understandable for someone who has English as their second language.
In this context for ESO to promote fat, obesity, fatness and the various lifestyles that enable it would mean putting obviously obese NPCs on a pedestal front and centre, highlighting specifically that you could play as obese NPCs and including the terms surrounding "fat" within their promotional material. As there's no sign of any of that then you're unfortunately simply wrong.
The more accurate term, as has been used in this thread until now, is acceptance - to accept or tolerate - of fat NPCs or player characters within the game. However, since you've might not have been around since the start and be aware of in this game, the options to include larger model settings have always been there and does not promote or condone (to accept) "fat".
I hope that helps you understand that playing a fantasy game online as anthropomorphic cats amongst other things shouldn't really offend someone's own views on other people's lives.The Legendary Nothing3 -
Messy1✭✭✭✭✭
✭First character I ever made: Imperial DK, short, fat, slightly balding with long hair. He's my master crafter! He looks like a sleazy merchant cause he is one!0 -
Sunver✭✭✭There are no fat, elderly people. Keep that in mind.
We should keep our bodies in shape because our fitness is one of the keys to happiness(to be healthy, that is). No one wants to be sick or feel bad in their body. And we shouldn't see obesity as a way of life but as a harmful state. I think ESO does a great job putting NPCs that are in shape, not always beautiful, but in shape.When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!2 -
tinythinker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you want to see fat/real-sized/plump/big-boned in ESO find JigglyPuff, if he still plays. He once jumped into the middle of our (enemy) raid and we all just let him bounce along with us in his birthday suit as we ran down a hill in Cyrodiil.❤Experienced, new, returner?❤ Help keep ESO's community strong ᕙ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ᕗ -- share what you love about the game, offer constructive feedback, and make friends.ʕ·ᴥ·ʔ
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Ravena✭✭✭✭Sometimes I wonder why people even care about stuff like this.
Who cares if an npc is fat, anorexic, green, short. It's just a game.1 -
Hand_Bacon✭✭✭✭✭When you look at pictures from a century ago, today's slightly overweight was, in that age, a freak show attraction. When I looked at one "freak show" pic, the guy wouldn't even be able to play on a high school offensive line today.#AlmostGood@ESO4 -
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And you've created a new tongue twister. Chubby lizard wizard, chubby lizard wizard, cthubb... thizard... damn.KochDerDamonen wrote: »"chubby lizard wizard"
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Lieblingsjunge✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's a game. It's pixels. No, they should *not* take a stand in the gay-right case. They should *not* care about gender. They should *not* care about fat/anorexic. Their purpose should be to... Be a game.
Don't mix politics & political righteousness with a game. It's not like being overweight means being unhealthy. Just as looking fit doesn't always mean that the person is healthy.
Idk. People need to take a chillpill, relax & stop getting offended by everything. It's okay to be fat - It's okay to be slim. As long as you're healthy, who the heck cares??!
Just accept everyone for who they are & problem solved.Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny.
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Lieblingsmädchen(DC) - Magplar is love.
The Dominàtrix(AD) - Chains, whip, whip, whip.
Fluffy Furball Kitten(DC) - Kittycat, meow.
Your Face(EP) - People make bad jokes about my name =(
Liebs-With-Trees(AD) - Male argo with a big tail :>
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Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Like do you feel the characters in game are too buff and too fit, its just unrealistic, and it doesn't have enough fat options? Perhaps even the most fat option still looks fit. Take a look at Everquest and their fat toons, and think about how MMORPGs have changed over the years and how they started fat shaming. AKA they only show fit and buff character models.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaZ0URPX1KA
So you feel that a 300 lb guy is going to run around in 50-75lb armor and kill things in dungeons and not be out of breath or maybe dead of a heart attack?Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax1 -
Recremen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lieblingsjunge wrote: »It's a game. It's pixels. No, they should *not* take a stand in the gay-right case. They should *not* care about gender. They should *not* care about fat/anorexic. Their purpose should be to... Be a game.
Don't mix politics & political righteousness with a game. It's not like being overweight means being unhealthy. Just as looking fit doesn't always mean that the person is healthy.
Idk. People need to take a chillpill, relax & stop getting offended by everything. It's okay to be fat - It's okay to be slim. As long as you're healthy, who the heck cares??!
Just accept everyone for who they are & problem solved.
@Lieblingsjunge
LOL are you serious? Politics, including gay and gender issues, are an intrinsic part of this game. Like do you even quest or listen to dialogue? The game itself encourages political thought and discussion. If anything, you should stop trying to discourage people from discussing it!Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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Lieblingsjunge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lieblingsjunge wrote: »It's a game. It's pixels. No, they should *not* take a stand in the gay-right case. They should *not* care about gender. They should *not* care about fat/anorexic. Their purpose should be to... Be a game.
Don't mix politics & political righteousness with a game. It's not like being overweight means being unhealthy. Just as looking fit doesn't always mean that the person is healthy.
Idk. People need to take a chillpill, relax & stop getting offended by everything. It's okay to be fat - It's okay to be slim. As long as you're healthy, who the heck cares??!
Just accept everyone for who they are & problem solved.
@Lieblingsjunge
LOL are you serious? Politics, including gay and gender issues, are an intrinsic part of this game. Like do you even quest or listen to dialogue? The game itself encourages political thought and discussion. If anything, you should stop trying to discourage people from discussing it!
Yes, I do listen to the dialogue. Yes, I do quest. And that's the point. The game got it - and that's all there is to it. Ithink you misunderstood me - or I didn't express myself clearly enough: Yes, it's allowing gay-marriages(I think?) yes, it lets male characters wear female dresses.
But if I were against gay-marriages or cross-dressing, it's not likeI should be offended by the fact that, that it's in the game??! I feel like it's the same thing here. Just don't get offended over how ESO deals with different body types. (And it seems to me that a lot of people in this thread are quite offended by one thing or the other).Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny.
PC - EU.
Lieblingsjunge(AD) - Racechanged Argonian :< | AR 50 - No double AP or Bleakers involved |
Sits-On-Cacti(DC) - Problem?
Fail-With-Tail(AD) - Healing Springs-spammer :<
Tiny Liebs(EP) - Very Tiny. Also heals.
Lieblingsmädchen(DC) - Magplar is love.
The Dominàtrix(AD) - Chains, whip, whip, whip.
Fluffy Furball Kitten(DC) - Kittycat, meow.
Your Face(EP) - People make bad jokes about my name =(
Liebs-With-Trees(AD) - Male argo with a big tail :>
Officer/Sandwitch of Zerg Squad
My title: The Maneater, Destroyer of Maneuvers, Bane of Potatoes, she who devours them, The Black Hole, the humorless, first of her name.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Being fat is bad. Being fat is unhealthy. Deal with it. Being fat is not a way of life. It's just unhealthy and a videogame should not promote that.
Valid point but... being sick or handicapped is also bad, or better said, unlucky, and, depending on the situation, also "unhealthy". Noone should be judged for being either of those and we are not all equal in front of food/weight problems.
I'm saying this because your point is interesting, and my comment is unrelated to this somewhat stupid thread.
If I look at the game itself, I'd rather point out that most NPCs, especially female NPCs, have a "Barbie-doll-shape", which has been scientifically proven to be far too skinny to be realistic or healthy. I'd rather accuse the game (and many other games) to condone anorexia than to "fat-shame".
Oh my lord you are genuinely serious.
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✭✭✭✭✭In-game character "Jiggly Puff" (who PvPs without weapons by the way) does not care either way.0 -
kevlarto_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS brings shame upon themselves, by not fixing the game, that's the only shame I see around here
"Thin may be in but fat is where it's at", no fat shaming in eso.
Only shaming is milk drinkers. Edited by kevlarto_ESO on December 25, 2016 9:41PM0 -
itsfatbass✭✭✭✭✭Those luclin era graphics from EQ though, best way to raid lag free!!~PC/NA~ Magblade, Tankanist, Healplar, Stamcro, Oakensorc, Healden, Tanknight ~PLUR~0 -
LrdRahvin✭✭✭✭✭Like do you feel the characters in game are too buff and too fit, its just unrealistic, and it doesn't have enough fat options? Perhaps even the most fat option still looks fit. Take a look at Everquest and their fat toons, and think about how MMORPGs have changed over the years and how they started fat shaming. AKA they only show fit and buff character models.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaZ0URPX1KA
You sir, are awesome...just awesome. I think I love you!
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thedude33✭✭✭✭✭Well I was offended the first day I bought the game and started creating my first character. Only given two choices, male or female, is a slap in the face. Make me declare? !
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WhitePawPrints✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lieblingsjunge wrote: »It's a game. It's pixels. No, they should *not* take a stand in the gay-right case. They should *not* care about gender. They should *not* care about fat/anorexic. Their purpose should be to... Be a game.
Don't mix politics & political righteousness with a game. It's not like being overweight means being unhealthy. Just as looking fit doesn't always mean that the person is healthy.
Idk. People need to take a chillpill, relax & stop getting offended by everything. It's okay to be fat - It's okay to be slim. As long as you're healthy, who the heck cares??!
Just accept everyone for who they are & problem solved.
That's a very heated way to ask people to chill.
I don't even know why social issues for homosexuals was brought up. Homosexual couples simply exists in the game - no political issues with it. It just exists.Edited by WhitePawPrints on December 26, 2016 2:34AM2 -
nimander99✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Smh, who cares? You can create a pretty fat character if you want via the character creator. Please, please don't bring this kind of 1st world issue into my fantasy gaming forums... Thanks, and happy PC Holidays! (I don't want to offend anyone).Edited by nimander99 on December 26, 2016 2:58AMI AM UPDATING MY PRIVACY POLICY
PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
∽∽∽ 2 years of Elder Scrolls Online ∼∼∼
"Give us money" = Box sales & monthly sub fees,
"moar!" = £10 palomino horse,
"MOAR!" = Switch to B2P, launch cash shop,
"MOAR!!" = Charge for DLC that subs had already paid for,
"MOAR!!!" = Experience scrolls and riding lessons,
"MOARR!!!" = Vampire/werewolf bites,
"MOAARRR!!!" = CS exclusive motifs,
"MOOAARRR!!!" = Crown crates,
"MOOOAAARRR!!!" = 'Chapter's' bought separately from ESO+,
"MOOOOAAAARRRR!!!!" = ???
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LrdRahvin✭✭✭✭✭nimander99 wrote: »Smh, who cares? You can create a pretty fat character if you want via the character creator. Please, please don't bring this kind of 1st world issue into my fantasy gaming forums... Thanks, and happy PC Holidays! (I don't want to offend anyone).
How DARE you mock the "first world" and its' problems? I'm from a "first- world" country and am deeply offended by your incredibly insensitive post and demand that you apologize!2 -
nimander99✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭nimander99 wrote: »Smh, who cares? You can create a pretty fat character if you want via the character creator. Please, please don't bring this kind of 1st world issue into my fantasy gaming forums... Thanks, and happy PC Holidays! (I don't want to offend anyone).
How DARE you mock the "first world" and its' problems? I'm from a "first- world" country and am deeply offended by your incredibly insensitive post and demand that you apologize!
But, but, I said I didn't want to offend anyone! Iiiiiiiiiiiiimmmmmmmmmmmm Soooooooooooooo Sooooooorrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyy
I AM UPDATING MY PRIVACY POLICY
PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
∽∽∽ 2 years of Elder Scrolls Online ∼∼∼
"Give us money" = Box sales & monthly sub fees,
"moar!" = £10 palomino horse,
"MOAR!" = Switch to B2P, launch cash shop,
"MOAR!!" = Charge for DLC that subs had already paid for,
"MOAR!!!" = Experience scrolls and riding lessons,
"MOARR!!!" = Vampire/werewolf bites,
"MOAARRR!!!" = CS exclusive motifs,
"MOOAARRR!!!" = Crown crates,
"MOOOAAARRR!!!" = 'Chapter's' bought separately from ESO+,
"MOOOOAAAARRRR!!!!" = ???
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Riejael✭✭✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »So you feel that a 300 lb guy is going to run around in 50-75lb armor and kill things in dungeons and not be out of breath or maybe dead of a heart attack?
Picture is misleading. That is old model Ogre from Everquest. They didn't have the tech prior to their third expansion to have taller characters than that. So Ogres and Trolls were round fat balls. That changed in the Shadows of Luclin expansion.
That's a 10' 700lb character of nothing but muscle, built by the God of War in that game. Here's what they looked like with updated models:
Plate makes them look pudgy, but in EQ they 3d modeled the plate armor, unlike other 'newer' MMOs that just textured it.0
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