Auto Dodge Roll

Julianos

Is there a some kind of program or addon for auto dodge roll ? Because i noticed some people usually those high ranked ones whenever i cast my instant cyrstal fragments they are roll dodgin how come they see my cyristal frag while they fleeing away ? It cant be luck or coinsedence.

MaxwellC

When I am leaving a fight from a sorc (usually because I just can't bust those shields) I always look back while I walk away so that's probably what they're doing too.

Sigtric

Three things:
-Camera swung around to look at what is behind you...
-Predictability...
-Addons like combat cloud telling you when to block or dodge

Julianos

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

When I am leaving a fight from a sorc (usually because I just can't bust those shields) I always look back while I walk away so that's probably what they're doing too.

but if they looking back they should roll dodge toward me then ? they roll dodgin forward

Sigtric

Axorn wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

When I am leaving a fight from a sorc (usually because I just can't bust those shields) I always look back while I walk away so that's probably what they're doing too.

but if they looking back they should roll dodge toward me then ? they roll dodgin forward

If you keybind your dodge to a key, you will dodge in whatever direction you are running when you press it.

Julianos

Sigtric wrote: »

Three things:
-Camera swung around to look at what is behind you...
-Predictability...
-Addons like combat cloud telling you when to block or dodge

does combat cloud says when cyrstal frag cast on you ?

Taylor_MB

You can roll dodge any direction.

Roll dodging while evading is the obvious strategy to avoid long range CC's, whether or not you see them coming.

Sigtric

Axorn wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Three things:
-Camera swung around to look at what is behind you...
-Predictability...
-Addons like combat cloud telling you when to block or dodge

does combat cloud says when cyrstal frag cast on you ?

I have not used it in a long time, but I am fairly certain it is just messages like "DODGE NOW" or "BLOCK NOW", depending on what is coming your way

Katahdin

Axorn wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

When I am leaving a fight from a sorc (usually because I just can't bust those shields) I always look back while I walk away so that's probably what they're doing too.

but if they looking back they should roll dodge toward me then ? they roll dodgin forward

No they dodge roll in the direction they ate facing if they are doing a forward roll. The camera is swung to look backwards while the character runs forward.

itsfatbass

Axorn wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

When I am leaving a fight from a sorc (usually because I just can't bust those shields) I always look back while I walk away so that's probably what they're doing too.

but if they looking back they should roll dodge toward me then ? they roll dodgin forward

No, you can dodge roll in any direction, doesnt matter what angle the camera is facing.

Bazeric

Well, I've been playing long enough that I have a feel for when a sorc is gonna chuck a frag at me. Also it's a bit slow in travel time so it is easy to avoid.

However I still agree with you because when I am on my magicka melee NB, sometimes when I go to open on said players (who don't even know I am there because I am stealthy) they will magically dodge roll, sometimes in succession. I know it seems odd, and then there's the "why?" but it's only a handful of players. Worth it? Unlikely, but fishy all the same.

Julianos

Bazeric wrote: »

Well, I've been playing long enough that I have a feel for when a sorc is gonna chuck a frag at me. Also it's a bit slow in travel time so it is easy to avoid.

However I still agree with you because when I am on my magicka melee NB, sometimes when I go to open on said players (who don't even know I am there because I am stealthy) they will magically dodge roll, sometimes in succession. I know it seems odd, and then there's the "why?" but it's only a handful of players. Worth it? Unlikely, but fishy all the same.

agreed i noticed that while playing NB

Sigtric

Also look if they have a bow in their hands. I roll quite a bit when running if only for the speed buff

Osteos

NB is easier to understand. I play with just the game sounds and I can hear NBs cloaking and buffing near me. Some of you aren't as sneaky as you think you are .

I will agree that some players seem to magically know when to dodge roll though .

NewBlacksmurf

Sigtric wrote: »

Three things:
-Camera swung around to look at what is behind you...
-Predictability...
-Addons like combat cloud telling you when to block or dodge

More than likely it's this in bold if it's being done (what feels like all the time) on PC

ArtOfShred

Combat Cloud only displays Dodge/Block warnings as the default UI does. As far as I'm aware no player abilities trigger an alert, and generally only the standard set of NPC abilities trigger an alert (a lot of unique quest or boss abilities don't do this).

Wollust

Crystal frag is by far the easiest skill to dodge roll

Runs

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Three things:
-Camera swung around to look at what is behind you...
-Predictability...
-Addons like combat cloud telling you when to block or dodge

More than likely it's this in bold if it's being done (what feels like all the time) on PC

That is a part of the base game. The "active combat tips" are turned on by default. It will show you what buttons to press when you need to dodge roll, block, interupt... ect.

People keep talking down about others who use those addons when literally all they are doing is moving the location and style of the warning. The addons are also just as "off" as the base game, they tell you too early. If you do what it says when it says it you will screw yourself. Source, I have tried them and the timing on them is the same as the base ui...

The one big difference is the "Execute Now"... and even that is found in game if you look at the target bar and figure out where 20,30 and 40% are for yourself.

Sigtric

Runs wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Three things:
-Camera swung around to look at what is behind you...
-Predictability...
-Addons like combat cloud telling you when to block or dodge

More than likely it's this in bold if it's being done (what feels like all the time) on PC

That is a part of the base game. The "active combat tips" are turned on by default. It will show you what buttons to press when you need to dodge roll, block, interupt... ect.

People keep talking down about others who use those addons when literally all they are doing is moving the location and style of the warning. The addons are also just as "off" as the base game, they tell you too early. If you do what it says when it says it you will screw yourself. Source, I have tried them and the timing on them is the same as the base ui...

The one big difference is the "Execute Now"... and even that is found in game if you look at the target bar and figure out where 20,30 and 40% are for yourself.

I keep that stuff turned off in the default UI and I hadn't even made the connection between the two. Thanks

driosketch

I do this. Frags are a slow projectile, and easy to dodge. I play in third person, have a gaming/mmo/rts mouse, and key bind dodge roll to a mouse button. Either by double tap or pressing "dodge" + a direction, you are able to control the direction. I don't know if it's instinct or reflexes, but I swear it's like I'm already dodging by the time those purple pixels are on me. I don't use any combat add-ons.

Armitas

From what I understand combat cloud uses in game triggers to give you notifications like block/dodge now. Those triggers are all that is needed to make a program that does it automatically for you.

I am pretty sure the program exists because some of these people are dodging the moment my key is depressed from stealth with no one else around. Your brain can not understand a word that fast. The dodge is so simultaneous with the button that it actually feels like the button is causing the person to roll. I have even casted point blank CC and they are rolling before the animation even starts.

These notifications need to be removed from the game. You get your camera to know if a CC is coming. Thats it.

Shadow-Fighter

I think it is to do with learnings and feelings against sorcs. This week i dueled with my alt and i could dodged 3 cfrag in row without any combat tips.

I dodged in all directions, forward while running away from sorcs and later to the side within 2-3 seconds after he casting again. While doing my dodges i couldnt see the sorc what he is doing.

And yes i am playing nb and it was cool to see how the proctiles bypassing

Sorry, bad spelling

Kutsuu

Several factors.

1. They can see the timer on your curse in their debuff window.
2. They can see your hands glowing for the frags proc.
3. They know you're going to shoot the frag around the time curse is going to hit and they are ready to dodge when you fire it.

Shadow-Fighter

It was me who dodged away? I cant remember but i think i dueled also with you

Armitas

Shadow-Fighter wrote: »

I think it is to do with learnings and feelings against sorcs. This week i dueled with my alt and i could dodged 3 cfrag in row without any combat tips.

I know what you mean there. When you play enough your mind keeps track of the enemy player even when you aren't looking and sort of plays a hypothetical version of the player in your mind and it's usually right and you know what they are doing without actually having to see them.

Kutsuu

Bazeric wrote: »

Well, I've been playing long enough that I have a feel for when a sorc is gonna chuck a frag at me. Also it's a bit slow in travel time so it is easy to avoid.

However I still agree with you because when I am on my magicka melee NB, sometimes when I go to open on said players (who don't even know I am there because I am stealthy) they will magically dodge roll, sometimes in succession. I know it seems odd, and then there's the "why?" but it's only a handful of players. Worth it? Unlikely, but fishy all the same.

Did you know that you can hear people who are stealthed? You can hear them walk, hear them buff, hear them jump. I have a nervous twitch for the sound of Radiant Magelight and find myself randomly dodging when I'm running around PVE zones and someone uses it. Some people who know about this play with headphones on and the effects volume jacked up. You can hear staff/bow heavy attacks (twang of a bow or the crackly noise a staff makes) with PLENTY of time to dodge them, for example. Radiant magelight can be heard from roughly 20-25m away and is one of the most obvious tells. Of course buffs like Rally, Merciless resolve, etc all have unique sounds that you can hear.

Shadow-Fighter

Armitas wrote: »

Shadow-Fighter wrote: »

I think it is to do with learnings and feelings against sorcs. This week i dueled with my alt and i could dodged 3 cfrag in row without any combat tips.

I know what you mean there. When you play enough your mind keeps track of the enemy player even when you aren't looking and sort of plays a hypothetical version of the player in your mind and it's usually right and you know what they are doing without actually having to see them.

Thank you, couldn't explain better

RinaldoGandolphi

Osteos wrote: »

NB is easier to understand. I play with just the game sounds and I can hear NBs cloaking and buffing near me. Some of you aren't as sneaky as you think you are .

I will agree that some players seem to magically know when to dodge roll though .

Uh huh....how many times does one of us say" you hear that, there's a nightblade close!"

NewBlacksmurf

Runs wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Three things:
-Camera swung around to look at what is behind you...
-Predictability...
-Addons like combat cloud telling you when to block or dodge

More than likely it's this in bold if it's being done (what feels like all the time) on PC

That is a part of the base game. The "active combat tips" are turned on by default. It will show you what buttons to press when you need to dodge roll, block, interupt... ect.

People keep talking down about others who use those addons when literally all they are doing is moving the location and style of the warning. The addons are also just as "off" as the base game, they tell you too early. If you do what it says when it says it you will screw yourself. Source, I have tried them and the timing on them is the same as the base ui...

The one big difference is the "Execute Now"... and even that is found in game if you look at the target bar and figure out where 20,30 and 40% are for yourself.

@Runs
Yeah I've had mine on automatic. They actually aren't off by default on Xbox one at least
But if you have an add-on warning as described that's not happening over here and I've not played on PC in months now

Perhaps because our UI is different you see something different. I have the stats, %, sct and all on all the time and it doesn't alert me to move or alert me of Inc stuff for PvP.

Asking as something seems very different?

Manoekin

I block them all the time without seeing the cast because I can usually right click between the time it enters my screen to the time it hits my character.

Toast_STS

Axorn wrote: »

Is there a some kind of program or addon for auto dodge roll ? Because i noticed some people usually those high ranked ones whenever i cast my instant cyrstal fragments they are roll dodgin how come they see my cyristal frag while they fleeing away ? It cant be luck or coinsedence.

Your hands glow purple. Also, if you are a sorc that's not hard casting crystal frag they know you are smart enough to wait for the proc and will watch out for those purple hands.

You have a view from your back which makes it hard to see your own proc frags but your enemy facing you will see it coming. Unless you play first person in which case you're awesome and my hero.

Runs

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Three things:
-Camera swung around to look at what is behind you...
-Predictability...
-Addons like combat cloud telling you when to block or dodge

More than likely it's this in bold if it's being done (what feels like all the time) on PC

That is a part of the base game. The "active combat tips" are turned on by default. It will show you what buttons to press when you need to dodge roll, block, interupt... ect.

People keep talking down about others who use those addons when literally all they are doing is moving the location and style of the warning. The addons are also just as "off" as the base game, they tell you too early. If you do what it says when it says it you will screw yourself. Source, I have tried them and the timing on them is the same as the base ui...

The one big difference is the "Execute Now"... and even that is found in game if you look at the target bar and figure out where 20,30 and 40% are for yourself.

@Runs
Yeah I've had mine on automatic. They actually aren't off by default on Xbox one at least
But if you have an add-on warning as described that's not happening over here and I've not played on PC in months now

Perhaps because our UI is different you see something different. I have the stats, %, sct and all on all the time and it doesn't alert me to move or alert me of Inc stuff for PvP.

Asking as something seems very different?

Don't think they are in PvP... I haven't really gone to Cyrodiil much since OT so it's been awhile. By default, I believe they are on. The "off" comment was on the timing, they just get shown way too early. There is nothing to dodge if I dodge when it says, and it's just as easy to walk/sprint out the the way instead.

Bazeric

Osteos wrote: »

NB is easier to understand. I play with just the game sounds and I can hear NBs cloaking and buffing near me. Some of you aren't as sneaky as you think you are .

I will agree that some players seem to magically know when to dodge roll though .

Kutsuu wrote: »

Did you know that you can hear people who are stealthed? You can hear them walk, hear them buff, hear them jump. I have a nervous twitch for the sound of Radiant Magelight and find myself randomly dodging when I'm running around PVE zones and someone uses it. Some people who know about this play with headphones on and the effects volume jacked up. You can hear staff/bow heavy attacks (twang of a bow or the crackly noise a staff makes) with PLENTY of time to dodge them, for example. Radiant magelight can be heard from roughly 20-25m away and is one of the most obvious tells. Of course buffs like Rally, Merciless resolve, etc all have unique sounds that you can hear.

Of course I know this, I too play with head phones and am very aware of these tells since they directly effect my effectiveness. Still, when near a fight already going on, using various combos/timing/distance, occasionally a select few people will appear to auto roll. I know it seems like "why would they need to" but just a thing I noticed on a select few characters... that already exhibit questionable unusual behaviors.

FENGRUSH

People dodging frags are not relying on their addons to do it. Its just awareness of environment. If you tunnel vision your UI, youre done.

zuto40

Sorcs are just predictable, like someone said above even if you cant see them a mental hypothetical player takes its place and 90% of the time my hypothetical player is right, its also just becomes natural to dodge roll when i see a certain set of moves or colors from a class, and even when i see a NB stealth its easy to know what theyre buffing up first and how much time that will take depending on their weapons so that makes it easy to almost perfectly time when to dodge

Duukar

So you have someone running away from you and they are dodge rolling?

Holy crap that's some next level game play. I call HAX!!

Lylith

Armitas wrote: »

From what I understand combat cloud uses in game triggers to give you notifications like block/dodge now. Those triggers are all that is needed to make a program that does it automatically for you.

I am pretty sure the program exists because some of these people are dodging the moment my key is depressed from stealth with no one else around. Your brain can not understand a word that fast. The dodge is so simultaneous with the button that it actually feels like the button is causing the person to roll. I have even casted point blank CC and they are rolling before the animation even starts.

These notifications need to be removed from the game. You get your camera to know if a CC is coming. Thats it.

mmhmm...animation cancelled, undoubtedly, yes?

'that's it...'

eta: fwiw, as previously mentioned, those notifications aren't always accurate or timely.

laksikus

The last time i was cced by frags was ages ago.
You clearly see it when one fires.
I always cloak or Block as im mag char. But dodging should be the same