I left a group with low cp players today, here is why:

AhPook_Is_Here

Easy fix, just make people go from level 49 to CP160. That would fix a lot of problems.

EldritchPenguin

Minno wrote: »

I don't see why they couldn't make items that are able to be tradable just morph to the players current lvl. It would encourage higher lvl toons to help the lower lvl, since gear grind is one of the few mechanics that brings people out to play MMOs.

Good point OP .

Or, better yet, make gear above level 50 automatically scale to your CP. That or just make gear upgradeable.

Gargath

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Its a normal dungeon, and I queue it for the loot I need. The gear I want, are not best in slot and no one wants it usually, so I'm able to buy it from the other players. The problem is, if a low cp player gets a piece, its his level, and cant be used. Any chance this can be fixed somehow? I have no problems playing with new players and low level, but seeing the set I need in divines or sharpend if weapons being cp 94, are really depressing.

Partially the problem of yours and other players that are left alone by you in a dungeon, can be resolved by going to specific area (like that with undaunted enclave) and ask in general chat for people of exactly your level who wish to go with you for a specific dungeon. You can announce that you wish to farm specific items in specific dungeon and you are going to pay x gold for y items if they drop to someone in your group. That's the way I feel is correct.

That way your chance to get the proper item rises. And no need to use group finder and make other players angry - or even worse - be put on ignore list, which I'm sure some of players do against you. That also narrows down the potential numbers of players that are grouped with you in time.

NewBlacksmurf

code65536 wrote: »

Skitttles wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Skitttles wrote: »

Also I don't understand why everyone is so salty. OP wants his CP level gear, why should he have to stay?

If OP wants his CP level gear, why did he PUG in Group Finder where he knows there's a substantial risk of getting lowbies? Leaving a group is a waste of other people's time, and OP's behavior is wildly selfish and inconsiderate of other players. And, hey, if OP didn't want people to judge him for his indecorous behavior, he could've refrained from creating this thread in the first place.

Staying in that group is a waste of OP's time. He left, is he supposed to just stick it out cause he feels bad? lol no, find another member.

The OP could've farmed solo like what most people do when they can't get a group. Instead, he chooses to increase his odds by bringing in randoms (who may or may not even want to share their loot) and is then upset that the randoms that he got aren't high enough. Well cry me a river. He could still solo the dungeon with 3 people in tow and be no worse off than before. Instead, he huffs and puffs and drops group, which means he just wasted the time of the other 3 who, instead of getting someone at the outset who queued in good faith, now have to find a replacement. And you can't see how that's selfish?

If it's going to be a waste of his time, he shouldn't have queued in the first place. When you queue, you are accepting that you're going to get a random group. Don't like that? Then don't queue. Abandoning the group like that is discourteous to everyone else who also queued and wastes their time. If you are unwilling to queue in good faith then don't queue.

Say you and I entered into a bet over what the weather would be like tomorrow. Come tomorrow, it turns out I won the bet. At that point, you can't say, "Oops, sorry, I'm backing out." If you're not willing to accept what might come from your actions, then don't do them.

BTW, this is one of those examples where the 15 minute penalty works perfectly: By abandoning the group, the OP will have to wait 15 minutes before he can queue again, and in that time, he could've cleared the dungeon. Not as many loot opportunities, but still better than zero. So instead of potentially wasting his time (since he could've gotten the drop he wanted on his own), he definitely wastes his time by dropping the group and accepting the penalty. Brilliant.

That's pretty much correct. But on the flip side this type of behavior imposes a wait time for others in the group left and in other cases cause his always impacts others. The OP isn't the only one who does this type of crap all the time.

Aurielle

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

First post I make where I wont even read all the comment. The amount of negativity in this community, are more insane then the rng in this game.
The loot I wanted, is not meta, no one wants it, and Im very nice and polite if I may buy it or not. And again, holy *** this amount of negativity, and yes I dont play this game for social, correct.

I realize I'm probably wasting my breath here (since you're not reading the comments and all), but seriously: if you want to do a gear run, advertise in /zone, pre-fill your group with CP160+ members, and spare low level/low CP players the frustration of having to find another, less-entitled player to round out their group. It's very simple. If you can't find people in /zone because no one wants to run that dungeon, then pull on your big boy/girl undaroos and DEAL WITH IT instead of whinging on the forums (because chances are, those same people in /zone who don't want to run the dungeon would probably drop group if it came up on the dungeon finder).

failkiwib16_ESO

@Soafee darling what you wrote is a huge matter of perspective.
Let me see if I can explain things.

Soafee wrote: »

@failkiwib16_ESO Since t1 came out that may not be the case so much as now you can go where ever you want and do whatever quests you feel like it with out having your face smashed in or having to depend on a group all of the time.

t1 is what brought me back to ESO and I've really enjoyed the questing experience, I didn't before. I hated it. Being new and trying to find people to help me was tedious and unfun but now? I'm having a blast. Veteran players need to try at least to help people because lots of new players are coming in as well as older players coming back. T1 really did bring everyone together.

The hard part is getting people to give you a chance. I'd be more then thrilled if someone helped me in game. I don't even know what pledges are, or whatever. I have yet to be kicked out of a dungeon but i've had my fair share of people telling me things that made me want to quit the game. It sucks.

Thanks for explaining to me your thought process on this.. Still makes me sad to see people would rather just kick someone than make a new friend. I'm only thinking like this because I am that new player currently and I don't want to hit a brick wall when I get higher level

You are basically a solo quester and you enjoy the game content and quests - many people who do daily group content have already gone through those quests 1-12 times and do not have that same desire for them as you do.

People do help left and right in this game to be honest, but they restrict it to their friends list and guild lists. You quit the game at one point, while many people stayed and farmed sets, improved their characters, got friends and moved forward - by the time you returned, you are still at solo questing point where many of those who did not quit have have done the base-game group dungeons over 500 times each.... no excitement left in that. They only do it to get their gear or Undaunted xp, so they can pass the test and do what they enjoy with that character (veteran trials and pvp).

For instance I never quit ESO and have played since release. I am social so my friends list is maxed out 100 people, I am in 5 guilds (i run 1 of them, officer in 2 others). When I log in within first 5 seconds I have 3-4 people whispering me and asking me to do dungeons or help with something, and many mails. So I spend over half my gaming time helping my friends, guildies, organizing and maintaining my guild and the remaining time I spend on my own progression in the game. Some days I don't get time for that, and I only craft and help others.
So my need to meet strangers who want help is 0. It's also why I don't use grouping tool unless I look for friendly players to recruit to my guild, then it's a good and quick way to find them compared to spamming zonechat.

This is why it is most optimal to not use grouping tool, but to group up manually via zonechat or guilds, then que in for a random dungeon together with like-minded people. You can ask questions and find out who you want to run the dungeon with, instead of the blind gamble grouping tool gives.
<<< this is where the social part kicks in, if you rely too much on grouping tool and don't find friends and social guilds where you meet people, then you will be fed up with the game eventually because your chance to experience bad things is increased with the grouping tool. When you group with friends, people will be more loyal to the group and will not kick each other, instead they will spend time explaining mechanics and give advice - because you are no longer a random stranger but a part of their community, so most will try to nurture and improve the situation. Get social, don't be afraid of asking questions or chit chatting with people, because most people are social and heck even I sometimes make new friends despite not having time for it.

Grouping tool tends to mix people with various intentions that sometimes clashes hard.

Jamini

raj72616a wrote: »

and was once embarrassed that i had been posting my loots to three lv20's in a normal dungeon pug

Don't be! If you don't need it, one of the newbies can still use it when they hit CP160 if it's a good set piece.

I had a nice person donate me some "of the Lich" set pieces when I was CP120. Nobody else wanted them, and I was/am happy to get some divines pieces for my healer that I started leveling.

Everyone is going to be max gearlevel if they keep playing. Eventually.

SolarCat02

Jamini wrote: »

raj72616a wrote: »

and was once embarrassed that i had been posting my loots to three lv20's in a normal dungeon pug

Don't be! If you don't need it, one of the newbies can still use it when they hit CP160 if it's a good set piece.

I had a nice person donate me some "of the Lich" set pieces when I was CP120. Nobody else wanted them, and I was/am happy to get some divines pieces for my healer that I started leveling.

Everyone is going to be max gearlevel if they keep playing. Eventually.

Not to mention, some of those characters are alts. Usually I pregrind for alt gear on my main, but that doesn't mean that I would not jump at another opportunity to pick up the gear I need.

Skitttles

code65536 wrote: »

Skitttles wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Skitttles wrote: »

Also I don't understand why everyone is so salty. OP wants his CP level gear, why should he have to stay?

If OP wants his CP level gear, why did he PUG in Group Finder where he knows there's a substantial risk of getting lowbies? Leaving a group is a waste of other people's time, and OP's behavior is wildly selfish and inconsiderate of other players. And, hey, if OP didn't want people to judge him for his indecorous behavior, he could've refrained from creating this thread in the first place.

Staying in that group is a waste of OP's time. He left, is he supposed to just stick it out cause he feels bad? lol no, find another member.

The OP could've farmed solo like what most people do when they can't get a group. Instead, he chooses to increase his odds by bringing in randoms (who may or may not even want to share their loot) and is then upset that the randoms that he got aren't high enough. Well cry me a river. He could still solo the dungeon with 3 people in tow and be no worse off than before. Instead, he huffs and puffs and drops group, which means he just wasted the time of the other 3 who, instead of getting someone at the outset who queued in good faith, now have to find a replacement. And you can't see how that's selfish?

If it's going to be a waste of his time, he shouldn't have queued in the first place. When you queue, you are accepting that you're going to get a random group. Don't like that? Then don't queue. Abandoning the group like that is discourteous to everyone else who also queued and wastes their time. If you are unwilling to queue in good faith then don't queue.

Say you and I entered into a bet over what the weather would be like tomorrow. Come tomorrow, it turns out I won the bet. At that point, you can't say, "Oops, sorry, I'm backing out." If you're not willing to accept what might come from your actions, then don't do them.

BTW, this is one of those examples where the 15 minute penalty works perfectly: By abandoning the group, the OP will have to wait 15 minutes before he can queue again, and in that time, he could've cleared the dungeon. Not as many loot opportunities, but still better than zero. So instead of potentially wasting his time (since he could've gotten the drop he wanted on his own), he definitely wastes his time by dropping the group and accepting the penalty. Brilliant.

OP used the group finder to find a group. He found a group, but that group was unable to deliver. Should he have farmed solo or with guildies? Definitely. He used group finder to speed up the process. What's the problem? There's no rule that says you can't use it to farm.

If it were me I would have stayed in group. It would've been faster with 3 more people than going solo obviously. But still, I see no problem with his decision to leave.

Stopnaggin

Skitttles wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Skitttles wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Skitttles wrote: »

Also I don't understand why everyone is so salty. OP wants his CP level gear, why should he have to stay?

If OP wants his CP level gear, why did he PUG in Group Finder where he knows there's a substantial risk of getting lowbies? Leaving a group is a waste of other people's time, and OP's behavior is wildly selfish and inconsiderate of other players. And, hey, if OP didn't want people to judge him for his indecorous behavior, he could've refrained from creating this thread in the first place.

Staying in that group is a waste of OP's time. He left, is he supposed to just stick it out cause he feels bad? lol no, find another member.

The OP could've farmed solo like what most people do when they can't get a group. Instead, he chooses to increase his odds by bringing in randoms (who may or may not even want to share their loot) and is then upset that the randoms that he got aren't high enough. Well cry me a river. He could still solo the dungeon with 3 people in tow and be no worse off than before. Instead, he huffs and puffs and drops group, which means he just wasted the time of the other 3 who, instead of getting someone at the outset who queued in good faith, now have to find a replacement. And you can't see how that's selfish?

If it's going to be a waste of his time, he shouldn't have queued in the first place. When you queue, you are accepting that you're going to get a random group. Don't like that? Then don't queue. Abandoning the group like that is discourteous to everyone else who also queued and wastes their time. If you are unwilling to queue in good faith then don't queue.

Say you and I entered into a bet over what the weather would be like tomorrow. Come tomorrow, it turns out I won the bet. At that point, you can't say, "Oops, sorry, I'm backing out." If you're not willing to accept what might come from your actions, then don't do them.

BTW, this is one of those examples where the 15 minute penalty works perfectly: By abandoning the group, the OP will have to wait 15 minutes before he can queue again, and in that time, he could've cleared the dungeon. Not as many loot opportunities, but still better than zero. So instead of potentially wasting his time (since he could've gotten the drop he wanted on his own), he definitely wastes his time by dropping the group and accepting the penalty. Brilliant.

OP used the group finder to find a group. He found a group, but that group was unable to deliver. Should he have farmed solo or with guildies? Definitely. He used group finder to speed up the process. What's the problem? There's no rule that says you can't use it to farm.

If it were me I would have stayed in group. It would've been faster with 3 more people than going solo obviously. But still, I see no problem with his decision to leave.

You are correct. IT is his decision to leave. But anyone who has playes this game know, you will not end up with a group of max cp players. 3/4 of the time I run dailies on group finder, I am the max cp player. AS someone stated earlier there are consequences good or bad, from his decesion. The problem with his decision is now others have a 15 penalty through no fault of their own.

The only reason to post something like this is for pure attention. It just so happens it wasn't the attention he was looking for. Agree or not, his actions were selfish, and like a child he decided to take his toys and go to another sandbox. If the penalty was just on him the it wouldn't be near the problem we have now. Farming a dungeon was never the intent of the grouping tool. Using the grouping tool to farm has too many variables to be successful.

UrQuan

Skitttles wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Skitttles wrote: »

Also I don't understand why everyone is so salty. OP wants his CP level gear, why should he have to stay?

If OP wants his CP level gear, why did he PUG in Group Finder where he knows there's a substantial risk of getting lowbies? Leaving a group is a waste of other people's time, and OP's behavior is wildly selfish and inconsiderate of other players. And, hey, if OP didn't want people to judge him for his indecorous behavior, he could've refrained from creating this thread in the first place.

Staying in that group is a waste of OP's time. He left, is he supposed to just stick it out cause he feels bad? lol no, find another member.

No, leaving that group was a waste of OP's time because he then had to wait another 15 minutes before queuing again. Instead he could have completed the dungeon in that time with the group, and then he would have had his own loot drops instead of getting nothing.

mtwiggz

Jaronking wrote: »

I don't blame you but truthfully you can solo these dungeons on normal some on Vet to farm for your gear.I could see using group finder so you have a better chance of getting the loot you need but you gump your self since their a chance to group with low levels and have to wait 15 minutes.

Can definitely solo it. Yet with a group of 4 you can do it faster with more loot chances.

I leave groups all the time for whatever reason. Don't think you need to justify it, or really why the OP had a need to post it on the forums.

Pointless post is pointless. You say you don't want the community negativity yet you openly post about something you KNOW the community will get upset about. Stupid.

krashwire_ESO

I would like them to implement a scaling time out on leaving a group from Group Finder that scales right up to a ban. If you leave over and over you don't deserve to use the tool. The tool only works if people use it, and use it correctly. If people start going around the tool there is a smaller pool using it due to frustration and it just makes a poorer experience for us all.

If you don't want to use the tool don't. But don't screw it up for everyone else just because you are a selfish prick.

The OP should be given a suspension for not only being an antisocial and selfish troglodyte, but for advertising and bragging about the fact here.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

I find it odd. Ive read enough filthy elitest threads to know the first thing people say, is if the group isnt up to you standard leave. Dont be mean dont vote kick leave. That is what this person did. The group wasnt going to give him what he wanted, so he left. Gave himself a penalty in the process. Didnt try tonvote kick the lowbie just left. Just like everyone tells all the elitest to do...

failkiwib16_ESO

@krashwire_ESO I doubt that would work out, since grouping tool frequently matches people up with the same group untill one of them get lucky and find another group/ member for their group.

OP didn't break any laws or rules by leaving a group. I doubt it will be beneficial to the game, if the grouping tool forced players to play with people that they do not want to play with.

This game has a mature rating, and treating adults like kids and forcing them to play in certain ways is probably a very bad idea.

starbuck1771b14_ESO

modaretto wrote: »

starbuck1771b14_ESO wrote: »

modaretto wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Skitttles wrote: »

Also I don't understand why everyone is so salty. OP wants his CP level gear, why should he have to stay?

If OP wants his CP level gear, why did he PUG in Group Finder where he knows there's a substantial risk of getting lowbies? Leaving a group is a waste of other people's time, and OP's behavior is wildly selfish and inconsiderate of other players. And, hey, if OP didn't want people to judge him for his indecorous behavior, he could've refrained from creating this thread in the first place.

so from this logic it's okay if a low CP player spams you asking for help completing dungeons, getting achievement, getting gear, and alltogether spam with l2p questions and advice but it is not ok if a cp capped, skilled player who actually also needs gear and tries to get it in a fair way without spamming his friend list the same way?

long story short it's okay to be a lowbie and newbie and needy and let's promote this attitude in game instead

let's not use the group finder and also ignore the fact that group share loot was introduced for the purpose of group share loot. Let's all wait for our cp capped friends to carry us through dungeons and give loot because that's what they are for but if you need something yourself how about you go and solo the dungeon.

How many Maxed out players do you know that use group finder? BTW Group Finder has nothing to do with lowbies asking for help. Group Finder's purpose is to form a random PUG not a group like the OP wanted.

in case it is not clear here; the topic of the thread is about how to improve the gear drops so that it is optimized for such pug groups and so that it allows capped level to play with not capped level and get same benefit from it. It is not a comment about how group finder makes lowbie or bad groups or what not. But correct me if i'm wrong, maybe reading comprehension problems.

p.s. I am level capped and I play this game since beta, I have no problems using a group finder and see no reason why I shouldn't either, regardless of if it's to do a pledge or farm gear.

His loot drops are not effected period son. He would have received the proper level gear for his level and they wouldn't be able to get what he wanted so he dropped like a tool.

Stopnaggin

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

@krashwire_ESO I doubt that would work out, since grouping tool frequently matches people up with the same group untill one of them get lucky and find another group/ member for their group.

OP didn't break any laws or rules by leaving a group. I doubt it will be beneficial to the game, if the grouping tool forced players to play with people that they do not want to play with.

This game has a mature rating, and treating adults like kids and forcing them to play in certain ways is probably a very bad idea.

Nobody forced him to use the grouping tool. Anyone and everyone knows what to expect from the grouping tool. IF he wanted to farm x dungeon for x gear he should have used zone chat. If I want to farm a dungeon I would never go to the grouping tool. I will ask in guild chat or zone chat, it's probably quicker than waiting for the grouping tool anyway. If you are farming specific items it's best to say so in zone chat as you will end up with a much better group to begin with.

The elite argument is a different matter. And most elites are not using the grouping tool. They are usually a tight knit group, doing speed runs and no deaths etc. The few elites that use the grouping tool are mainly for dailies and want speed runs. Their big complaints are people running vet dungeons without proper gear, not knowing mechanics etc. I very seldom run vet anything with randoms. If I wanted to run vet content through the grouping tool, I would not expect a group of 160cp players though. IT wouldn't be my nature to leave if it wasn't.

KochDerDamonen

starbuck1771b14_ESO wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Unsure of why you expect group mates to sell you gear they may very well be farming themselves.

The stated problem being that it's impossible to get level appropriate gear off of differently levelled players.

If the problem were that they don't want to trade, there would be nothing to complain about. It's their loot after all, they can use/trade/deconstruct/stash-in-bank it as they please.

I agree with this annoyance, encountered a touch of it here and there already myself.

Two wrongs don't make a right. He left over a trivial issue which makes him look like a jerk and can hinder his plan in the end if people stop wanting him in their group because most people don't want to deal with his type just like the old ninja looters in another game.

Massively Overpowered just did a story on this topic yesterday and as you can see the majority of the posters are against leaving groups for such idiotic reasons as it is disrespectful to the others in the group. http://massivelyop.com/2016/11/01/the-daily-grind-are-you-a-leaver-in-mmorpgs/

Anyways I put his name on my list of who not to group with as I don't care for his kind as they are inconsiderate of others.

Oh no, I don't agree with the response. I do 100% understand where the OP is coming from though, it digs somewhere deep when you watch a cp50 player pull a perfect traited weapon or w/e you're looking for that they don't even want, and you know you've been trying to get it for who knows how many runs.

failkiwib16_ESO

Stopnaggin wrote: »

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

@krashwire_ESO I doubt that would work out, since grouping tool frequently matches people up with the same group untill one of them get lucky and find another group/ member for their group.

OP didn't break any laws or rules by leaving a group. I doubt it will be beneficial to the game, if the grouping tool forced players to play with people that they do not want to play with.

This game has a mature rating, and treating adults like kids and forcing them to play in certain ways is probably a very bad idea.

Nobody forced him to use the grouping tool. Anyone and everyone knows what to expect from the grouping tool. IF he wanted to farm x dungeon for x gear he should have used zone chat. If I want to farm a dungeon I would never go to the grouping tool. I will ask in guild chat or zone chat, it's probably quicker than waiting for the grouping tool anyway. If you are farming specific items it's best to say so in zone chat as you will end up with a much better group to begin with.

The elite argument is a different matter. And most elites are not using the grouping tool. They are usually a tight knit group, doing speed runs and no deaths etc. The few elites that use the grouping tool are mainly for dailies and want speed runs. Their big complaints are people running vet dungeons without proper gear, not knowing mechanics etc. I very seldom run vet anything with randoms. If I wanted to run vet content through the grouping tool, I would not expect a group of 160cp players though. IT wouldn't be my nature to leave if it wasn't.

@Stopnaggin that comment was to @krashwire_ESO who namecalled OP and wanted him suspended for this thread, in case you didn't notice.
As far as I know there are no rules for what the grouping tool is ment for. Questing and exploring, xp levelling, gear grind or Undaunted leveling, it is fair use for all those purposes.
OP did not kick the low levels, he simply left the group he did not want to be part off. There is a huge difference between those two actions. What OP did only lead to him getting a 15min cooldown, while the low levels could continue que for a new group member, no one else was put on a cooldown or suffered in any way other than OP himself.

About the "elite" In my experience and I know about 10 players on the top of PC/EU pve leaderboards, and many more who are in the top 100 but not top 20 - These "elite" players use grouping tool and pug left and right for farming gear, because their friends are not always online, or they sometimes want gear from a dungeon while their friends grind other gear, so they use grouping tool or zone pug.
-The no-death and speed achievements are 1-time achievements, once you gain it you don't have to do it again so it's not what makes them do dungeon runs on a daily base.

Stopnaggin

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

@krashwire_ESO I doubt that would work out, since grouping tool frequently matches people up with the same group untill one of them get lucky and find another group/ member for their group.

OP didn't break any laws or rules by leaving a group. I doubt it will be beneficial to the game, if the grouping tool forced players to play with people that they do not want to play with.

This game has a mature rating, and treating adults like kids and forcing them to play in certain ways is probably a very bad idea.

Nobody forced him to use the grouping tool. Anyone and everyone knows what to expect from the grouping tool. IF he wanted to farm x dungeon for x gear he should have used zone chat. If I want to farm a dungeon I would never go to the grouping tool. I will ask in guild chat or zone chat, it's probably quicker than waiting for the grouping tool anyway. If you are farming specific items it's best to say so in zone chat as you will end up with a much better group to begin with.

The elite argument is a different matter. And most elites are not using the grouping tool. They are usually a tight knit group, doing speed runs and no deaths etc. The few elites that use the grouping tool are mainly for dailies and want speed runs. Their big complaints are people running vet dungeons without proper gear, not knowing mechanics etc. I very seldom run vet anything with randoms. If I wanted to run vet content through the grouping tool, I would not expect a group of 160cp players though. IT wouldn't be my nature to leave if it wasn't.

@Stopnaggin that comment was to @krashwire_ESO who namecalled OP and wanted him suspended for this thread, in case you didn't notice.
As far as I know there are no rules for what the grouping tool is ment for. Questing and exploring, xp levelling, gear grind or Undaunted leveling, it is fair use for all those purposes.
OP did not kick the low levels, he simply left the group he did not want to be part off. There is a huge difference between those two actions. What OP did only lead to him getting a 15min cooldown, while the low levels could continue que for a new group member, no one else was put on a cooldown or suffered in any way other than OP himself.

About the "elite" In my experience and I know about 10 players on the top of PC/EU pve leaderboards, and many more who are in the top 100 but not top 20 - These "elite" players use grouping tool and pug left and right for farming gear, because their friends are not always online, or they sometimes want gear from a dungeon while their friends grind other gear, so they use grouping tool or zone pug.
-The no-death and speed achievements are 1-time achievements, once you gain it you don't have to do it again so it's not what makes them do dungeon runs on a daily base.

You are correct there are no rules for using the grouping tool. IT still doesn't change the fact that that is not the best way to farm gear. IF you noticed I also said it was his right to do whatever he wanted. It doesn't change the fact that he was being selfish and coming on here looking for positive attention. When he didn't get it he didn't want to face what was coming.

As far as elites on PC, they are a very different breed than console players. I have a lot of threads on pc players, in general, being more polite and friendly. I am not saying all console elites are complete tools by any means. The toxicity on consoles is pretty bad right now. When I referred to "speed runs" I was not talking about the achievement aspect but rather how fast they can get the gear they want faster.

Sure you can use the grouping tool for whatever you want, no rules. But IMHO it's a waste of time to use it to grind geat. A simple "need cp160 to farm x dungeon for x gear" would have better suited his wants. We don't know what happened with the group after he left, maybe some others left and now all have a 15 min penalty, only speculation at this point. My point still stands that it was a selfish move. I've been on the other side of his actions and it sucks when you're a lower level player.

GreenhaloX

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

The amount of negativity in this community, are more insane then the rng in this game.
The loot I wanted, is not meta, no one wants it, and Im very nice and polite if I may buy it or not. And again, holy *** this amount of negativity

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