I left a group with low cp players today, here is why:

Wollust

starbuck1771b14_ESO wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

EvilCroc wrote: »

This dungeon loot sharing option is just silly. ZOS should disable it back. Farm loot by your own and don't think I will share my loot with you. Even if it is divines, even if you really need it. even if... whatever. It's not your loot, it is mine. I want to deconstruct it for materials, maybe, and I will do it. I'm not greedy, but this attitude conсerning loot sharing is unacceptable. My loot is not yours by default. And ban this loot-looking addon.

Your attitude is what's wrong.
Being able to trade dungeon loot is one of the best thing they have implemented in the game. I am glad I can give the stuff that I don't need or want or that I know others have better use for it to my friends and I am glad they can give me theirs. No one is forcing you to give away your loot, but it doesn't hurt anyone to be capable of doing it. you might even get a much better deal out of it. No idea why that would upset you.
And no, don't touch the loot addon. It makes things so much easier for people who actually have friends they run trials and dungeons with.

What they need to do is put actual auction houses in the game. It would make it easier for people to get what they want without some of the crazy guild vendor prices I have seen. Also it deals with poor excuses like the OP gave for leaving a group.

You can have all the auction houses in the world, as long as dungeon gear is BoP that is a completely irrelevant point.

NewBlacksmurf

I don't agree that anything game wise needs to be fixed.

I'm the first to say I'm anti-CP being used as a character level but the mindset you have and decisions you're making are poor in my opinion.

Stopnaggin

Wollust wrote: »

EvilCroc wrote: »

This dungeon loot sharing option is just silly. ZOS should disable it back. Farm loot by your own and don't think I will share my loot with you. Even if it is divines, even if you really need it. even if... whatever. It's not your loot, it is mine. I want to deconstruct it for materials, maybe, and I will do it. I'm not greedy, but this attitude conсerning loot sharing is unacceptable. My loot is not yours by default. And ban this loot-looking addon.

Your attitude is what's wrong.
Being able to trade dungeon loot is one of the best thing they have implemented in the game. I am glad I can give the stuff that I don't need or want or that I know others have better use for it to my friends and I am glad they can give me theirs. No one is forcing you to give away your loot, but it doesn't hurt anyone to be capable of doing it. you might even get a much better deal out of it. No idea why that would upset you.
And no, don't touch the loot addon. It makes things so much easier for people who actually have friends they run trials and dungeons with.

BOE would make alot more sense. I agree my loot is not your loot. Hell I happily trade any gear i get to others when needed. If I am looking for certain gear with certain traits, I never expect someone to trade it to me. Back to original point, you could make all gear upgradable to your level or remove BOP. I know before 1T trading and selling at the end of trials was huge.

OrphanHelgen

First post I make where I wont even read all the comment. The amount of negativity in this community, are more insane then the rng in this game.
The loot I wanted, is not meta, no one wants it, and Im very nice and polite if I may buy it or not. And again, holy *** this amount of negativity, and yes I dont play this game for social, correct.

negbert

Sorry but the negativity in the thread is based on the fact that you are trying to use the grouping tool for a purpose other than it is intended. It's not for putting together farming groups at the same level as you. If you want to do that then you need to do it manually.

NewBlacksmurf

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

First post I make where I wont even read all the comment. The amount of negativity in this community, are more insane then the rng in this game.
The loot I wanted, is not meta, no one wants it, and Im very nice and polite if I may buy it or not. And again, holy *** this amount of negativity, and yes I dont play this game for social, correct.

If it's always about you and what you want then for us, it's your mindset that produces negative comments towards this mindset. It's not personal it's General for anyone who thinks and plays in this mindset.

Just so you're aware, if you're nice about it, that doesn't change that your intentions and desires are very selfish and self serving which negatively impacts others. If you desire positive comments, your mindset and intentions need to change as to produce this in others.

The comments are a direct response to you're negativity.
Hope you understand as it's not meant to attack you but to inform you or share perspectives that you don't have currently as evident in your post and comments.

Suter1972

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

First post I make where I wont even read all the comment. The amount of negativity in this community, are more insane then the rng in this game.
The loot I wanted, is not meta, no one wants it, and Im very nice and polite if I may buy it or not. And again, holy *** this amount of negativity, and yes I dont play this game for social, correct.

seriously dude... think about the negativity felt by the low CP player queuing for a normal dungeon that you kicked as he wouldn't be able to supply you with a set piece at the level you want. ..... that's negativity right there.

Curtdogg47

Guess what? nobody cares!

If anything you should have explained to the group of people you abandoned why you were leaving.

coplannb16_ESO

What this game needs, without any particular order:
- Jewelcrafting (craft and upgrade Rings and Necklaces, potentially expand on it and add some new stuff that can be created by it like Collars, Crowns, Tiaras, Wands, Orbs,...)
- Gear Level Upgrade
- Chance to retrieve a "set bonus trait"-item on deconstruction which can then be applied when crafting a new item with the corresponding set-bonus (depending on crafter skill level and skill points...)
-
voila

--> Crafted gear is the best gear as advertised
--> Dungeon Raiding and AvA still (if not more) worthwhile than before
--> Motifs (the stuff you can buy for insane $$$ in the shop if you want) are finally useful
--> a happy and no longer extremely frustrated playerbase *yay*

Prof_Bawbag

Mojmir wrote: »

Soafee wrote: »

So in other words you play for yourself and that's it. Not to make friends, not enjoy the ride.. For gear.

We understand completely. I'm sure the people in the group don't want you there either.

This mentality is bombarding every mmorpg in exsistance. You know why the majority of mmos don't get as big as WoW does? Because when it's in its infancy people get like this. You push newer players away because who wants to group with someone that's going to kick you out because you can't give them gear if it drops? WoW had many years of players helping each other and bonding before the whole gear curve came in. By the time it did there was already a huge player base of players that were there because they made lasting friendships. There are still millions of players that play to enjoy the company of others. WoW evolved to make it easier on the new player.

ESO as it is right now counts on the player base to draw in new customers. If you continue on this path, it's going to ruin the game in the long run. The more people act like selfish jerks the worst it's going to get. If you want this game to turn slowly into a pay to win cesspool of nothing but "veteran" players all out for themselves by all means keep kicking out those newer players because they can't advance your gear status.

If the game is relying on it's customers to draw in new players,that's the wrong business model. Maybe if they we're trying to be rock stars.

Not really. With any MP heavy game, not many noobs are going to hang around if all they encounter are selfish people. The ones that do hang around, turn into the very thing they first despised too. It's a vicious cycle. You just need to think back to before 1T hit and almost everywhere was a ghost town with very little new players around even in the starting zones. I got back into this game after a year away and I was shocked at how empty Davon's Watch was. A handful of new players and it was akin to how Davon's Watch would have been last year in silver.

raj72616a

many ppl i pug with post their loot in the chat, and will say in advance if there is a particular set they are farming for. most of them would just give stuff away when others need their loot. so i get into the habit of posting group dungeon loots into chat, and was once embarrassed that i had been posting my loots to three lv20's in a normal dungeon pug lol

it's certainly more efficient when you get to group of ppl who can share loots with you, but it's not so bad to group with new players once in a while

starbuck1771b14_ESO

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

First post I make where I wont even read all the comment. The amount of negativity in this community, are more insane then the rng in this game.
The loot I wanted, is not meta, no one wants it, and Im very nice and polite if I may buy it or not. And again, holy *** this amount of negativity, and yes I dont play this game for social, correct.

You just stuck your foot in your own mouth. Solo the dungeon if your not doing it to be social. Of course there are going to be negative posts and rightfully so. If you have ever played any MMO you would know what you have done is frowned upon in any MMO community just like Ninja Looting.

Skitttles

I'm with you OP. If I'm farming a set I want it my level. If the group members are not the level I want, I'll find a different group. Nothing personal. Wether or not my current level group wants to sell it to me is a different topic.

Skitttles

Also I don't understand why everyone is so salty. OP wants his CP level gear, why should he have to stay?

starbuck1771b14_ESO

Skitttles wrote: »

Also I don't understand why everyone is so salty. OP wants his CP level gear, why should he have to stay?

It's called morals. Look it up. If he is just going to be a tool and bail on low level players he shouldn't even be using the group finder. It shows disrespect to those that he abandoned. ZOS needs to take a look at SWTOR's and WOW's group finders because after bailing out on a few groups your locked out of the group finder for a while. This would deter abusive people like the OP.

code65536

Skitttles wrote: »

Also I don't understand why everyone is so salty. OP wants his CP level gear, why should he have to stay?

If OP wants his CP level gear, why did he PUG in Group Finder where he knows there's a substantial risk of getting lowbies? Leaving a group is a waste of other people's time, and OP's behavior is wildly selfish and inconsiderate of other players. And, hey, if OP didn't want people to judge him for his indecorous behavior, he could've refrained from creating this thread in the first place.

starbuck1771b14_ESO

code65536 wrote: »

Skitttles wrote: »

Also I don't understand why everyone is so salty. OP wants his CP level gear, why should he have to stay?

If OP wants his CP level gear, why did he PUG in Group Finder where he knows there's a substantial risk of getting lowbies? Leaving a group is a waste of other people's time, and OP's behavior is wildly selfish and inconsiderate of other players. And, hey, if OP didn't want people to judge him for his indecorous behavior, he could've refrained from creating this thread in the first place.

Exactly right but as you can see from Skittles first reply some people are too daft to understand that their actions have consequences on other people not just themselves.

modaretto

code65536 wrote: »

Skitttles wrote: »

Also I don't understand why everyone is so salty. OP wants his CP level gear, why should he have to stay?

If OP wants his CP level gear, why did he PUG in Group Finder where he knows there's a substantial risk of getting lowbies? Leaving a group is a waste of other people's time, and OP's behavior is wildly selfish and inconsiderate of other players. And, hey, if OP didn't want people to judge him for his indecorous behavior, he could've refrained from creating this thread in the first place.

so from this logic it's okay if a low CP player spams you asking for help completing dungeons, getting achievement, getting gear, and alltogether spamming with l2p questions and asking for advice but it is not ok if a cp capped, skilled player actually also needs gear and tries to get it in a fair way without spamming his friend list the same way.

long story short it's okay to be a lowbie and newbie and needy and let's promote this attitude in game instead

let's not use the group finder and also ignore the fact that group share loot was introduced for the purpose of group share loot (haven't seen anything here about robbing lowbies of their gear but offering them a fair price and trade). Let's all wait for our cp capped friends to carry us through dungeons and give loot because that's what they are for but if they need something themselves how about they go and solo the dungeon.

starbuck1771b14_ESO

modaretto wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Skitttles wrote: »

Also I don't understand why everyone is so salty. OP wants his CP level gear, why should he have to stay?

If OP wants his CP level gear, why did he PUG in Group Finder where he knows there's a substantial risk of getting lowbies? Leaving a group is a waste of other people's time, and OP's behavior is wildly selfish and inconsiderate of other players. And, hey, if OP didn't want people to judge him for his indecorous behavior, he could've refrained from creating this thread in the first place.

so from this logic it's okay if a low CP player spams you asking for help completing dungeons, getting achievement, getting gear, and alltogether spam with l2p questions and advice but it is not ok if a cp capped, skilled player who actually also needs gear and tries to get it in a fair way without spamming his friend list the same way?

long story short it's okay to be a lowbie and newbie and needy and let's promote this attitude in game instead

let's not use the group finder and also ignore the fact that group share loot was introduced for the purpose of group share loot. Let's all wait for our cp capped friends to carry us through dungeons and give loot because that's what they are for but if you need something yourself how about you go and solo the dungeon.

How many Maxed out players do you know that use group finder? BTW Group Finder has nothing to do with lowbies asking for help. Group Finder's purpose is to form a random PUG not a group like the OP wanted.

modaretto

starbuck1771b14_ESO wrote: »

modaretto wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Skitttles wrote: »

Also I don't understand why everyone is so salty. OP wants his CP level gear, why should he have to stay?

If OP wants his CP level gear, why did he PUG in Group Finder where he knows there's a substantial risk of getting lowbies? Leaving a group is a waste of other people's time, and OP's behavior is wildly selfish and inconsiderate of other players. And, hey, if OP didn't want people to judge him for his indecorous behavior, he could've refrained from creating this thread in the first place.

so from this logic it's okay if a low CP player spams you asking for help completing dungeons, getting achievement, getting gear, and alltogether spam with l2p questions and advice but it is not ok if a cp capped, skilled player who actually also needs gear and tries to get it in a fair way without spamming his friend list the same way?

long story short it's okay to be a lowbie and newbie and needy and let's promote this attitude in game instead

let's not use the group finder and also ignore the fact that group share loot was introduced for the purpose of group share loot. Let's all wait for our cp capped friends to carry us through dungeons and give loot because that's what they are for but if you need something yourself how about you go and solo the dungeon.

How many Maxed out players do you know that use group finder? BTW Group Finder has nothing to do with lowbies asking for help. Group Finder's purpose is to form a random PUG not a group like the OP wanted.

in case it is not clear here; the topic of the thread is about how to improve the gear drops so that it is optimized for such pug groups and so that it allows capped level to play with not capped level and get same benefit from it. It is not a comment about how group finder makes lowbie or bad groups or what not. But correct me if i'm wrong, maybe reading comprehension problems.

p.s. I am level capped and I play this game since beta, I have no problems using a group finder and see no reason why I shouldn't either, regardless of if it's to do a pledge or farm gear.

UrQuan

Skitttles wrote: »

Also I don't understand why everyone is so salty. OP wants his CP level gear, why should he have to stay?

Frankly, OP is being selfish. And he's being called out on it. He's also not even being smart about his selfishness, because he gave himself a 15 minute timeout from using the group finder, when he could have pretty easily played through the normal-mode dungeon he popped into in those 15 minutes.

So if we assume that he queued again when he was able to and got in a group of players at his CP level, in the roughly 30 minutes it took to wait to be able to queue and then run the dungeon, he got potential access to 4X items, where X is the amount of set piece items of max level that drop for a single player in a dungeon run. If he had just run the dungeon with the lower CP players and then queued again to run it again with players at his CP level, in that time he would have had potential access to 5X items.

That means that dropping the first group was both selfish and not smart.

Dredlord

Mojmir wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

I don't blame you but truthfully you can solo these dungeons on normal some on Vet to farm for your gear.I could see using group finder so you have a better chance of getting the loot you need but you gump your self since their a chance to group with low levels and have to wait 15 minutes.

Yes, but solo is 1/4 less chance of the gear drop. Like I said, I buy / get the gear from others who drop.

And you can't get purple jewelry from normal

And the 20 mag/stam per piece of jewelry is not even worth talking about...

But yeah purple is a fun color!

Stopnaggin

modaretto wrote: »

starbuck1771b14_ESO wrote: »

modaretto wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Skitttles wrote: »

Also I don't understand why everyone is so salty. OP wants his CP level gear, why should he have to stay?

If OP wants his CP level gear, why did he PUG in Group Finder where he knows there's a substantial risk of getting lowbies? Leaving a group is a waste of other people's time, and OP's behavior is wildly selfish and inconsiderate of other players. And, hey, if OP didn't want people to judge him for his indecorous behavior, he could've refrained from creating this thread in the first place.

so from this logic it's okay if a low CP player spams you asking for help completing dungeons, getting achievement, getting gear, and alltogether spam with l2p questions and advice but it is not ok if a cp capped, skilled player who actually also needs gear and tries to get it in a fair way without spamming his friend list the same way?

long story short it's okay to be a lowbie and newbie and needy and let's promote this attitude in game instead

let's not use the group finder and also ignore the fact that group share loot was introduced for the purpose of group share loot. Let's all wait for our cp capped friends to carry us through dungeons and give loot because that's what they are for but if you need something yourself how about you go and solo the dungeon.

How many Maxed out players do you know that use group finder? BTW Group Finder has nothing to do with lowbies asking for help. Group Finder's purpose is to form a random PUG not a group like the OP wanted.

in case it is not clear here; the topic of the thread is about how to improve the gear drops so that it is optimized for such pug groups and so that it allows capped level to play with not capped level and get same benefit from it. It is not a comment about how group finder makes lowbie or bad groups or what not. But correct me if i'm wrong, maybe reading comprehension problems.

p.s. I am level capped and I play this game since beta, I have no problems using a group finder and see no reason why I shouldn't either, regardless of if it's to do a pledge or farm gear.

If you use group finder it should not be expected that only level cap players are there. Most people farming for gear do not use the finder. Its pretty simple to use zone chat and ask people if they want to farm x dungeon. If the OP prefers not to do that, that is his right, as is his right to leave. The bigger problem is people just dropping out because of lower level players. They are the ones losing out. TBH it should be expected that if you use group finder it will be with lower level players.

Point is the OP was being selfish and that is his right to be so. Coming to a forum to tell people what you did and why is plain stupid. IF was about gear drops, it would have been better to just start a thread about the way gear drops and is traded. Something along the lines of " can we make tradeable gear drops level to the person it was traded to". Not I am selfish and this is why. If new players are alienated the game will die. Really who wants to feel left out because they just started the game.

Your statement would have been a better option to address the complaint he has.

AlnilamE

modaretto wrote: »

starbuck1771b14_ESO wrote: »

modaretto wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Skitttles wrote: »

Also I don't understand why everyone is so salty. OP wants his CP level gear, why should he have to stay?

If OP wants his CP level gear, why did he PUG in Group Finder where he knows there's a substantial risk of getting lowbies? Leaving a group is a waste of other people's time, and OP's behavior is wildly selfish and inconsiderate of other players. And, hey, if OP didn't want people to judge him for his indecorous behavior, he could've refrained from creating this thread in the first place.

so from this logic it's okay if a low CP player spams you asking for help completing dungeons, getting achievement, getting gear, and alltogether spam with l2p questions and advice but it is not ok if a cp capped, skilled player who actually also needs gear and tries to get it in a fair way without spamming his friend list the same way?

long story short it's okay to be a lowbie and newbie and needy and let's promote this attitude in game instead

let's not use the group finder and also ignore the fact that group share loot was introduced for the purpose of group share loot. Let's all wait for our cp capped friends to carry us through dungeons and give loot because that's what they are for but if you need something yourself how about you go and solo the dungeon.

How many Maxed out players do you know that use group finder? BTW Group Finder has nothing to do with lowbies asking for help. Group Finder's purpose is to form a random PUG not a group like the OP wanted.

in case it is not clear here; the topic of the thread is about how to improve the gear drops so that it is optimized for such pug groups and so that it allows capped level to play with not capped level and get same benefit from it. It is not a comment about how group finder makes lowbie or bad groups or what not. But correct me if i'm wrong, maybe reading comprehension problems.

p.s. I am level capped and I play this game since beta, I have no problems using a group finder and see no reason why I shouldn't either, regardless of if it's to do a pledge or farm gear.

So if I run a dungeon with my level 26 DK and someone in the group is Max CP and they drop a piece they don't need that I could use for one of my other characters, how would you sort this out? Because if, as someone else suggested, the gear should get a 'final' level when it's traded to another player, there would be no way for me to get that gear at the right level if I don't run it on the character that I want it on.

Again, as others have pointed out, the smart thing for the OP to do would have been to run the dungeon with the group. It would have been no worse than soloing it and it would have freed him from the cooldown.

Alucardo

That's actually a fair reason to leave the group. No point farming a normal dungeon for the potential of getting 4x chance the loot you want when people are under CP160.
A CP filter would be nice when queuing, or even a basic "All or > CP160 only"

Skitttles

starbuck1771b14_ESO wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Skitttles wrote: »

Also I don't understand why everyone is so salty. OP wants his CP level gear, why should he have to stay?

If OP wants his CP level gear, why did he PUG in Group Finder where he knows there's a substantial risk of getting lowbies? Leaving a group is a waste of other people's time, and OP's behavior is wildly selfish and inconsiderate of other players. And, hey, if OP didn't want people to judge him for his indecorous behavior, he could've refrained from creating this thread in the first place.

Exactly right but as you can see from Skittles first reply some people are too daft to understand that their actions have consequences on other people not just themselves.

Because it's going to be so troublesome for them to find another member lmfao

Skitttles

code65536 wrote: »

Skitttles wrote: »

Also I don't understand why everyone is so salty. OP wants his CP level gear, why should he have to stay?

If OP wants his CP level gear, why did he PUG in Group Finder where he knows there's a substantial risk of getting lowbies? Leaving a group is a waste of other people's time, and OP's behavior is wildly selfish and inconsiderate of other players. And, hey, if OP didn't want people to judge him for his indecorous behavior, he could've refrained from creating this thread in the first place.

Staying in that group is a waste of OP's time. He left, is he supposed to just stick it out cause he feels bad? lol no, find another member.

Danksta

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

I don't blame you but truthfully you can solo these dungeons on normal some on Vet to farm for your gear.I could see using group finder so you have a better chance of getting the loot you need but you gump your self since their a chance to group with low levels and have to wait 15 minutes.

Yes, but solo is 1/4 less chance of the gear drop. Like I said, I buy / get the gear from others who drop.

So make low levels that get grouped with you wait 15 minutes because you don't want their loot?? I thought you said you were nice and polite, when in fact you're coming off as rude and selfish.

Minno

I don't see why they couldn't make items that are able to be tradable just morph to the players current lvl. It would encourage higher lvl toons to help the lower lvl, since gear grind is one of the few mechanics that brings people out to play MMOs.

Good point OP .

code65536

Skitttles wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Skitttles wrote: »

Also I don't understand why everyone is so salty. OP wants his CP level gear, why should he have to stay?

If OP wants his CP level gear, why did he PUG in Group Finder where he knows there's a substantial risk of getting lowbies? Leaving a group is a waste of other people's time, and OP's behavior is wildly selfish and inconsiderate of other players. And, hey, if OP didn't want people to judge him for his indecorous behavior, he could've refrained from creating this thread in the first place.

Staying in that group is a waste of OP's time. He left, is he supposed to just stick it out cause he feels bad? lol no, find another member.

The OP could've farmed solo like what most people do when they can't get a group. Instead, he chooses to increase his odds by bringing in randoms (who may or may not even want to share their loot) and is then upset that the randoms that he got aren't high enough. Well cry me a river. He could still solo the dungeon with 3 people in tow and be no worse off than before. Instead, he huffs and puffs and drops group, which means he just wasted the time of the other 3 who, instead of getting someone at the outset who queued in good faith, now have to find a replacement. And you can't see how that's selfish?

If it's going to be a waste of his time, he shouldn't have queued in the first place. When you queue, you are accepting that you're going to get a random group. Don't like that? Then don't queue. Abandoning the group like that is discourteous to everyone else who also queued and wastes their time. If you are unwilling to queue in good faith then don't queue.

Say you and I entered into a bet over what the weather would be like tomorrow. Come tomorrow, it turns out I won the bet. At that point, you can't say, "Oops, sorry, I'm backing out." If you're not willing to accept what might come from your actions, then don't do them.

BTW, this is one of those examples where the 15 minute penalty works perfectly: By abandoning the group, the OP will have to wait 15 minutes before he can queue again, and in that time, he could've cleared the dungeon. Not as many loot opportunities, but still better than zero. So instead of potentially wasting his time (since he could've gotten the drop he wanted on his own), he definitely wastes his time by dropping the group and accepting the penalty. Brilliant.