ANIMATION CANCELING IS NOT AN INTENDED FEATURE ZOS, WHY LIE?

Malitias

Can you pls try out using crystal shards, weaving with light attacks and tell me there's nothing wrong with weaving/AC?
AC is a cool thing IF it would work properly and without any bugs. Sadly, it doesn't, and that's a fact.

Alucardo

Truth is, they never actually lied about it. It was just a happy accident that improved the world, like my birth.

Ch4mpTW

Gothren wrote: »

everyone likes animation canceling except the small minority

Two things. First off, how are you going to speak for everyone? Second of all, this poll shows otherwise. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/242708/do-you-think-zos-should-eliminate-animation-cancelling/p1

People should really do their homework on certain topics, before flaming the OP and making bold comments about how much animation cancelling is appreciated and wanted by the community. I can dig up thread after thread about others feeling strongly about animation cancelling being removed. And just to prove this point, I certainly shall:

List:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/172195/animation-canceling-good-for-the-game/p1

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/134719/animation-canceling-attack-weaving-is-it-cheating

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231468/a-desperate-plea-for-zos-please-remove-animation-cancelling

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/85594/major-combat-flaw-animation-canceling-damage-stacking-devs-please-look-here

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/173214/animation-cancelling-is-killing-pvp-especially-for-oceanics

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/257245/remove-animation-cancelling

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/144231/animation-canceling-get-rid-of-it

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Lumbermill_Emperor

big majority of players - casual noobs who cannot L2P
thats why so many topics against such good intended feature - ANIMATION OH MY GOD CANCELLING!

Lumbermill_Emperor

P.S. - op is a troll

altemriel

animation cancelling was maybe not an intended feature, but they are ok with that, they confirmed it is not an exploit, nor bug, they want the players to use it (Wrobel), so there is no chance they would remove it from the game, so either learn to do it (it is not that hard to do) or deal with it!!!

Ch4mpTW

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

big majority of players - casual noobs who cannot L2P
thats why so many topics against such good intended feature - ANIMATION OH MY GOD CANCELLING!

... Seriously? You're going to call the majority of the ESO community as a whole "casual noobs"...? I've said VERY venomous things about this community (that I meant and still do), but never went that far. You are either incredibly cocky to the point of elitism-fueled arrogance, or very foolish.

Lumbermill_Emperor

L2P, man, L2p!

psxfloh

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

P.S. - op i a troll

what's that supposed to mean? did u just AC your "is" so it looks like an "i" or your "am a" to look like an "a" and messed up weaving in the second "a"?

Lumbermill_Emperor

i forgot "s"

Rohamad_Ali

Alucardo wrote: »

Truth is, they never actually lied about it. It was just a happy accident that improved the world, like my birth.

Lumbermill_Emperor

we need report a first message to close this topic
pls do it!

no need to beat dead horse again and again

Panzyfaust

It would be better if it were a documented feature in the game, really. Undocumented features like this can pretty dramatically widen skill gaps between groups of players "in the know" and groups of players who don't actively research the meta.

I'm not personally a fan of it as a mechanic for various reasons but if it's staying in the game it couldn't hurt to document it.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

Malitias wrote: »

It indeed causes lag.
It indeed is something that doesn't feel like it's intended (to me at least).
It does however also increase skill cap and allows some pretty ridiculously cool moves.

Conclusion? Yea, they should look into it, so it feels a bit better and stops causing lag. (Using frags with a-cancel causes ridiculous enemy behavior)

EDIT: And please stop bashing people who feel animation canceling is "cheap" or sth. It's a somewhat weird mechanic and easy to dislike.

That's a really good argument, actually.

When the game launched, I got the hang of animation cancelling/attack weaving before I even understood what it was or why it was effective.

That DOESN'T mean I like it, because it offends the immersion hound portion of my brain. Mechanically, I don't mind it. But some deep part of my psyche is GALLED by the idea of my character doing something that's not happening visually on my screen.

If I wanted to pretend I was letting an attack fly, I'd go back to tabletop roleplaying games. In Elder Scrolls, I want to SEE my blades flashing and my staves firing.

IwakuraLain42

Panzyfaust wrote: »

It would be better if it were a documented feature in the game, really. Undocumented features like this can pretty dramatically widen skill gaps between groups of players "in the know" and groups of players who don't actively research the meta.

I'm not personally a fan of it as a mechanic for various reasons but if it's staying in the game it couldn't hurt to document it.

This exactly is the major point. If this feature is really officially blessed by ZOS and content like the vMSA requires it then why is there nor tutorial in the game or any documentation/article on the main web site ?

Quite frankly, ZOS is currently throwing the majority of the player base, the ones who doesn't regularly read the forums, to the wolves by omitting this important technique ....

Decado

Animation cancelling seperates the skilled from
The Not so skilled, leave it alone

There SHOULD be something separating them you shouldn't be able to pull the same DPS because you looked up a guide online and it told
You to press 1-3-2-5-1 and then repeat

Who cares if it was intended or not? Is here and it's a good thing, as far as I remember they never said it was intended just that they won't be changing it

Also throwing a list of threads that people have wrote complaining about it doesn't prove a thing,

If a bunch on scrubs/ noobs complained constantly about something doesn't mean they are right, it just means they want it easier,

Anyone who can't learn basic weave or animation cancelling should learn to play or accept they are not going to be as good as people who can,

Malitias

Decado wrote: »

Animation cancelling seperates the skilled from
The Not so skilled, leave it alone

There SHOULD be something separating them you shouldn't be able to pull the same DPS because you looked up a guide online and it told
You to press 1-3-2-5-1 and then repeat

Who cares if it was intended or not? Is here and it's a good thing, as far as I remember they never said it was intended just that they won't be changing it

Also throwing a list of threads that people have wrote complaining about it doesn't prove a thing,

If a bunch on scrubs/ noobs complained constantly about something doesn't mean they are right, it just means they want it easier,

Anyone who can't learn basic weave or animation cancelling should learn to play or accept they are not going to be as good as people who can,

This is just complete bollocks.
It's not about ppl wanting it to be easier, nor is it really about ppl not being able to learn it really. It's about a mechanic that causes technical problems, is not explained anywhere in the game and messes alot with the immersion.

Oh and showing a vast amount of ppl complaining about something does prove something. It proves there is a reasonable amount of players feeling that something isn't quite right with the game.

Calling ppl names, because they don't share your opinion, also proves something btw...

Decado

Malitias wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

Animation cancelling seperates the skilled from
The Not so skilled, leave it alone

There SHOULD be something separating them you shouldn't be able to pull the same DPS because you looked up a guide online and it told
You to press 1-3-2-5-1 and then repeat

Who cares if it was intended or not? Is here and it's a good thing, as far as I remember they never said it was intended just that they won't be changing it

Also throwing a list of threads that people have wrote complaining about it doesn't prove a thing,

If a bunch on scrubs/ noobs complained constantly about something doesn't mean they are right, it just means they want it easier,

Anyone who can't learn basic weave or animation cancelling should learn to play or accept they are not going to be as good as people who can,

This is just complete bollocks.
It's not about ppl wanting it to be easier, nor is it really about ppl not being able to learn it really. It's about a mechanic that causes technical problems, is not explained anywhere in the game and messes alot with the immersion.

Oh and showing a vast amount of ppl complaining about something does prove something. It proves there is a reasonable amount of players feeling that something isn't quite right with the game.

Calling ppl names, because they don't share your opinion, also proves something btw...

I see vasts amounts of people calling for nerfs on just about everything possible doesn't mean they are right

I've not seen any technical problems with animation cancelling TBH, I see absolutely zero problems with this being a part of the game.

I didn't call anyone specific any names however in generally is noobs who complain about things To get them nerfed because they can't handle/ counter it

Also it's one of the big reasons some people
Pull 30k DPS and some players pull
40-50k and that's s good thing

Ex_Draconis

AC is the only thing that makes combat feel fluid and realistic imo, particularly with melee weapons.

Malitias

Decado wrote: »

I've not seen any technical problems with animation cancelling TBH, I see absolutely zero problems with this being a part of the game.

It seems we're playing different games then.

Decado wrote: »

Also it's one of the big reasons some people
Pull 30k DPS and some players pull
40-50k and that's s good thing

Nobody said there's a problem with skill being important.
NOBODY said that. What I'm trying to say is that AC doesn't really feel good, at least in the way it's currently implemented, and causes problems with some skills. These problems seem to vary between players, but it would simply be wrong to say there are none.

Bobby_V_Rockit

I cant figure it out

Cherryblossom

Qbiken wrote: »

Animation canceling isn´t an issue (unless its from NPC´s) L2P

it does encourage macro'ing to pull it off though.

Yes I do know that many do it without macro's, but there can be no argument that it's easier to do in a macro. Many of the gaming mice and keyboards support this type of Macro.

outsideworld76

They should fix it together with the lag.

sentientomega

I do not think PvE content, especially solo PvE content, should be based around a requirement to use weaving/animation cancelling. If peeps want to use it, fine; but it should never ever be a requirement, it's not even aesthetically pleasing to watch.

Ch4mpTW

Decado wrote: »

Animation cancelling seperates the skilled from
The Not so skilled, leave it alone

There SHOULD be something separating them you shouldn't be able to pull the same DPS because you looked up a guide online and it told
You to press 1-3-2-5-1 and then repeat

Who cares if it was intended or not? Is here and it's a good thing, as far as I remember they never said it was intended just that they won't be changing it

Also throwing a list of threads that people have wrote complaining about it doesn't prove a thing,

If a bunch on scrubs/ noobs complained constantly about something doesn't mean they are right, it just means they want it easier,

Anyone who can't learn basic weave or animation cancelling should learn to play or accept they are not going to be as good as people who can,

... WTF did I just read? Animation cancelling seperates the skilled from the not so skilled? What? WTF does animation cancelling have to do with your overall understanding of: Class strengths and weaknesses, situational awareness, build strengths and weaknesses, content mechanics, etc.? WTF does that even mean? If a bunch of "noobs and scrubs"? Excuse me? Um... There's no such a thing as a noob or a scrub in ESO. This is ELDER SCROLLS online. Not World of Warcraft. Not League of Legends. Not Call of Duty. Take that elitist bs elsewhere, bruh. Because that "über 1337" isn't really for this game.

Damn, it's like this thread is really bringing out the worst in people. Or rather bringing out a hell of a lot of: Elitist, toxic, and overall arrogant people. Hot damn. How much deeper into the rabbit hole will things go. Now supposedly animation cancelling shows whether or not you're 'skilled' in ESO. SMFH.

Edit: By the way, if animation calling shows who's a noob or a scrub — why do I know Flawless Conquerors and those who've beaten VMOL without animation cancelling (they genuinely have no clue how). Are you implying they're "noobs" and "scrubs"? My first MagPlar VMA clear was done without any animation cancelling as a bet made with guildies. And my first StamNB clear of VMA. Am I noob or scrub?

altemriel

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

Animation cancelling seperates the skilled from
The Not so skilled, leave it alone

There SHOULD be something separating them you shouldn't be able to pull the same DPS because you looked up a guide online and it told
You to press 1-3-2-5-1 and then repeat

Who cares if it was intended or not? Is here and it's a good thing, as far as I remember they never said it was intended just that they won't be changing it

Also throwing a list of threads that people have wrote complaining about it doesn't prove a thing,

If a bunch on scrubs/ noobs complained constantly about something doesn't mean they are right, it just means they want it easier,

Anyone who can't learn basic weave or animation cancelling should learn to play or accept they are not going to be as good as people who can,

... WTF did I just read? Animation cancelling seperates the skilled from the not so skilled? What? WTF does animation cancelling have to do with your overall understanding of: Class strengths and weaknesses, situational awareness, build strengths and weaknesses, content mechanics, etc.? WTF does that even mean? If a bunch of "noobs and scrubs"? Excuse me? Um... There's no such a thing as a noob or a scrub in ESO. This is ELDER SCROLLS online. Not World of Warcraft. Not League of Legends. Not Call of Duty. Take that elitist bs elsewhere, bruh. Because that "über 1337" isn't really for this game.

Damn, it's like this thread is really bringing out the worst in people. Or rather bringing out a hell of a lot of: Elitist, toxic, and overall arrogant people. Hot damn. How much deeper into the rabbit hole will things go. Now supposedly animation cancelling shows whether or not you're 'skilled' in ESO. SMFH.

Edit: By the way, if animation calling shows who's a noob or a scrub — why do I know Flawless Conquerors and those who've beaten VMOL without animation cancelling (they genuinely have no clue how). Are you implying they're "noobs" and "scrubs"? My first MagPlar VMA clear was done without any animation cancelling as a bet made with guildies. And my first StamNB clear of VMA. Am I noob or scrub?

well it certainly does not separata noobs and pros in terms of builds or experience, but this skill is in the game and everyone "has" to learn it to be competetive, so it separates those who do know how to do it from those who do not (who die usually very fast because of ther lack of this skill)

altemriel

sentientomega wrote: »

I do not think PvE content, especially solo PvE content, should be based around a requirement to use weaving/animation cancelling. If peeps want to use it, fine; but it should never ever be a requirement, it's not even aesthetically pleasing to watch.

you totally do not need it for PVE, but for PVP it is a must

Decado

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

Animation cancelling seperates the skilled from
The Not so skilled, leave it alone

There SHOULD be something separating them you shouldn't be able to pull the same DPS because you looked up a guide online and it told
You to press 1-3-2-5-1 and then repeat

Who cares if it was intended or not? Is here and it's a good thing, as far as I remember they never said it was intended just that they won't be changing it

Also throwing a list of threads that people have wrote complaining about it doesn't prove a thing,

If a bunch on scrubs/ noobs complained constantly about something doesn't mean they are right, it just means they want it easier,

Anyone who can't learn basic weave or animation cancelling should learn to play or accept they are not going to be as good as people who can,

... WTF did I just read? Animation cancelling seperates the skilled from the not so skilled? What? WTF does animation cancelling have to do with your overall understanding of: Class strengths and weaknesses, situational awareness, build strengths and weaknesses, content mechanics, etc.? WTF does that even mean? If a bunch of "noobs and scrubs"? Excuse me? Um... There's no such a thing as a noob or a scrub in ESO. This is ELDER SCROLLS online. Not World of Warcraft. Not League of Legends. Not Call of Duty. Take that elitist bs elsewhere, bruh. Because that "über 1337" isn't really for this game.

Damn, it's like this thread is really bringing out the worst in people. Or rather bringing out a hell of a lot of: Elitist, toxic, and overall arrogant people. Hot damn. How much deeper into the rabbit hole will things go. Now supposedly animation cancelling shows whether or not you're 'skilled' in ESO. SMFH.

Edit: By the way, if animation calling shows who's a noob or a scrub — why do I know Flawless Conquerors and those who've beaten VMOL without animation cancelling (they genuinely have no clue how). Are you implying they're "noobs" and "scrubs"? My first MagPlar VMA clear was done without any animation cancelling as a bet made with guildies. And my first StamNB clear of VMA. Am I noob or scrub?

Lol! Triggered,

Firstly there ARE noobs and scrubs in this game, they are in every game, regardless of what the games called just because this is elder scrolls doesn't change that lol

Did I say animation cancelling is the only thing that makes someone good? No I don't believe I did however it IS a part of that skill, it just is it you want to be truly skilled and the best you can be at the game then you'd use all available things to do that (short of cheating obv) you need all the things you listed aswel true I'm not denying That and never would, it takes more than just one thing to make a great player,

So I say again I never said anyone who doesn't animation cancel is a noob or a scrub I'm saying noobs and scrubs come on the forums constantly and ask for stuff to be nerfed, so showing me a bunch of threads asking for something to be needed doesn't prove anything, if I listed a bunch of threads asking for city of ash to be nerfed does that mean it should be nerfed?

If you wanna put words in my mouth be my guest I don't really care but just for clarity I shall say I don't believe anyone who has flawless is a noob, and I don't believe anyone who has genuinely completed mol is either HOWEVER those people
Who paid a guild to take you through MoL for the skin you don't count lol

However just because your a flawless and a good player does that mean you can't get better? You've got flawless so you can't improve? Everyone can improve no matter how good and should always keep trying to do so

altemriel

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

Panzyfaust wrote: »

It would be better if it were a documented feature in the game, really. Undocumented features like this can pretty dramatically widen skill gaps between groups of players "in the know" and groups of players who don't actively research the meta.

I'm not personally a fan of it as a mechanic for various reasons but if it's staying in the game it couldn't hurt to document it.

This exactly is the major point. If this feature is really officially blessed by ZOS and content like the vMSA requires it then why is there nor tutorial in the game or any documentation/article on the main web site ?

Quite frankly, ZOS is currently throwing the majority of the player base, the ones who doesn't regularly read the forums, to the wolves by omitting this important technique ....

that is true, if ZOS supports the using of AC, they should definitelly mention it in the "?" help tutorial documents in the game

Ch4mpTW

Decado wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

Animation cancelling seperates the skilled from
The Not so skilled, leave it alone

There SHOULD be something separating them you shouldn't be able to pull the same DPS because you looked up a guide online and it told
You to press 1-3-2-5-1 and then repeat

Who cares if it was intended or not? Is here and it's a good thing, as far as I remember they never said it was intended just that they won't be changing it

Also throwing a list of threads that people have wrote complaining about it doesn't prove a thing,

If a bunch on scrubs/ noobs complained constantly about something doesn't mean they are right, it just means they want it easier,

Anyone who can't learn basic weave or animation cancelling should learn to play or accept they are not going to be as good as people who can,

... WTF did I just read? Animation cancelling seperates the skilled from the not so skilled? What? WTF does animation cancelling have to do with your overall understanding of: Class strengths and weaknesses, situational awareness, build strengths and weaknesses, content mechanics, etc.? WTF does that even mean? If a bunch of "noobs and scrubs"? Excuse me? Um... There's no such a thing as a noob or a scrub in ESO. This is ELDER SCROLLS online. Not World of Warcraft. Not League of Legends. Not Call of Duty. Take that elitist bs elsewhere, bruh. Because that "über 1337" isn't really for this game.

Damn, it's like this thread is really bringing out the worst in people. Or rather bringing out a hell of a lot of: Elitist, toxic, and overall arrogant people. Hot damn. How much deeper into the rabbit hole will things go. Now supposedly animation cancelling shows whether or not you're 'skilled' in ESO. SMFH.

Edit: By the way, if animation calling shows who's a noob or a scrub — why do I know Flawless Conquerors and those who've beaten VMOL without animation cancelling (they genuinely have no clue how). Are you implying they're "noobs" and "scrubs"? My first MagPlar VMA clear was done without any animation cancelling as a bet made with guildies. And my first StamNB clear of VMA. Am I noob or scrub?

Lol! Triggered,

Firstly there ARE noobs and scrubs in this game, they are in every game, regardless of what the games called just because this is elder scrolls doesn't change that lol

Did I say animation cancelling is the only thing that makes someone good? No I don't believe I did however it IS a part of that skill, it just is it you want to be truly skilled and the best you can be at the game then you'd use all available things to do that (short of cheating obv) you need all the things you listed aswel true I'm not denying That and never would, it takes more than just one thing to make a great player,

So I say again I never said anyone who doesn't animation cancel is a noob or a scrub I'm saying noobs and scrubs come on the forums constantly and ask for stuff to be nerfed, so showing me a bunch of threads asking for something to be needed doesn't prove anything, if I listed a bunch of threads asking for city of ash to be nerfed does that mean it should be nerfed?

If you wanna put words in my mouth be my guest I don't really care but just for clarity I shall say I don't believe anyone who has flawless is a noob, and I don't believe anyone who has genuinely completed mol is either HOWEVER those people
Who paid a guild to take you through MoL for the skin you don't count lol

However just because your a flawless and a good player does that mean you can't get better? You've got flawless so you can't improve? Everyone can improve no matter how good and should always keep trying to do so

You're still not getting it. Animation cancelling =\= skill. Not even in the slightest. It doesn't even make you better either, just because you do utilize it. All it does is potentially add more moves into your rotation(s). But, without the things I listed — it all boils down to nothing.

When I did make that bet with some guildies about doing VMA without animation cancelling, do you know how many people failed that challenge? Do you know how many people couldn't even clear the 2nd stage of VMA, all because they couldn't animation cancel? Out of 30 or so people who agreed to take up the challenge, only like 4 or 5 were able to actually complete VMA with no animation cancelling. So what does that tell you? Well... It told me that a lot of people who thought they understood a lot of the things that they claimed they did, truly didn't. It also showed me that animation cancelling is a crutch for those people, and a means of covering-up for weaknesses that exist in their overall ability as a player. o_o

Edit: I realized that I only spoke from a PVE perspective. Here. Let me break things down for you from a PVP perspective. If you can do well in PVP with animation cancelling, certainly you should be able to do just fine without it. And yet! We see so many posts about how much animation cancelling is mandatory in PVP, and how you're not going to go far at all without it. Hm... Why is this? Because others do it, and without doing it yourself you essentially are giving your opponent a competitive edge? Well then. Already a lot of people have edges over you, whether or not you like it or not. That's just the way the game goes. People are better than others.

But, a lot of people on PC/Mac utilize macros. And it's obvious, as there are tons of videos and threads about this. And while that in itself is a topic all on its own, I'm curious. If animation cancelling WAS removed — how many of the so-called "skilled" people who rely on it to in PVP would still be as skilled? Yes, how many people would be so "elite" without chaining in 2-3 attacks within fractions of seconds together? Hmmmmm.... I truly wonder. . .