ANIMATION CANCELING IS NOT AN INTENDED FEATURE ZOS, WHY LIE?

raviour

ani cancel causes lags is totally stupid ra ra ra

Lumbermill_Emperor

intended
/closed

Milvan

Serious tho, you should take the forum a little bit more seriously. If you want to address something you should do it in a rich and elaborated way that people would buy your idea out.

Right now you sound like a 12yo that can't learn animation cancelling.

DannyLV702

I don't think they ever said it was intended. As far as I remember, it was more of a "whoops, that wasn't supposed to happen. Oh well" situation

mobicera

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

intended
/closed

Actually if you did your research you would have known it was an unintended feature that was later embraced as part of the combat system.

PS I am not knocking animation cancelling I am just stating it was not originally intended

I_killed_Vivec

"ra ra ra"?

Not the strongest argument we've heard on this subject in the last two years.

mdylan2013

They didn't say it was intended, they just can't 'fix' it so rather than put up with 1000s of support tickets a day about the issue they just say it isn't an exploit.

My personal opinion on it is that it's unfair and damages the game for those that don't follow the meta,

laksikus

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

"ra ra ra"?

Not the strongest argument we've heard on this subject in the last two years.

but its the strongest argument we've ever heard about any subject from rav^^

thankyourat

I thought they said it was part of the game. Either way people complained about it and now I can't even light attack with my destro staff, and the people who complained are still getting killed

BlackEar

Part of the ship, part of the crew.

Integral1900

go on ZOS, unleash the nerf bat!

idk

@raviour

Unless Devs said something different this past week they have never said animation canceling was intended at launch.

What they have said is they like it. It's here to stay.

In conclusion, it was not intended but it is now officially blessed as appropriate.

Qbiken

Animation canceling isn´t an issue (unless its from NPC´s) L2P

BurritoESO

L2P stop complaining

UrQuan

Everything I've ever heard from ZOS about animation canceling has always been that it is unintended but they like it anyway, and that even if they didn't it would be very complex to try to remove it.

So to OP:

ZOS NEVER SAID ANIMATION CANCELING IS AN INTENDED FEATURE @RAVIOUR, WHY LIE?

Cryptical

mdylan2013 wrote: »

They didn't say it was intended, they just can't 'fix' it so rather than put up with 1000s of support tickets a day about the issue they just say it isn't an exploit.

My personal opinion on it is that it's unfair and damages the game for those that don't follow the meta,

It could be fixed, but that would break the ability to block. Or dodge. Or switch abilities.

Say you're in the middle of a wrecking blow, or a snipe, or any attack that has a casting time and you see the circle for meteor. You gotta cancel what you were doing and get your block up *pronto*. Or dodge. Or switch bars to grab aggro or heal or purge or x / y / z.

They could make it so when you hit the button the character goes through the whole action before accepting new input from you... But then nobody would use any of the longer channel / cast time abilities because they would be a sitting duck for the entire time. So zeni took a middle path. Make sure some segment of animation was always shown, but preserve the ability of people to react to changing combat conditions.

old_mufasa

Cryptical wrote: »

mdylan2013 wrote: »

They didn't say it was intended, they just can't 'fix' it so rather than put up with 1000s of support tickets a day about the issue they just say it isn't an exploit.

My personal opinion on it is that it's unfair and damages the game for those that don't follow the meta,

It could be fixed, but that would break the ability to block. Or dodge. Or switch abilities.

Say you're in the middle of a wrecking blow, or a snipe, or any attack that has a casting time and you see the circle for meteor. You gotta cancel what you were doing and get your block up *pronto*. Or dodge. Or switch bars to grab aggro or heal or purge or x / y / z.

They could make it so when you hit the button the character goes through the whole action before accepting new input from you... But then nobody would use any of the longer channel / cast time abilities because they would be a sitting duck for the entire time. So zeni took a middle path. Make sure some segment of animation was always shown, but preserve the ability of people to react to changing combat conditions.

No it wouldn't break it the ability to dodge or block.. if what they did was make it when you do dodge or block that it stops the damage from what ever you were doing from applying..

Such as you are using wrecking blow, you block before animation is complete then you do no damage from the wreaking blow.. that resources and damage are only used at the end of the animation instead of the start of it.

Bandit1215

Anyone who thinks AC isn't fair obviously doesn't know what YouTube is where you can learn to do it yourself. People act like it's some super hidden secret that only a select handful of people and streamers know how to do when in reality there are ways to learn to do it yourself. If you don't have the skill to do it, that doesn't mean it isn't fair, It just means you're not good at it.

Acrolas

Animation canceling is like platypus venom.

Why not? It's already a *** platypus.

Malitias

It indeed causes lag.
It indeed is something that doesn't feel like it's intended (to me at least).
It does however also increase skill cap and allows some pretty ridiculously cool moves.

Conclusion? Yea, they should look into it, so it feels a bit better and stops causing lag. (Using frags with a-cancel causes ridiculous enemy behavior)

EDIT: And please stop bashing people who feel animation canceling is "cheap" or sth. It's a somewhat weird mechanic and easy to dislike.

PS4_ZeColmeia

It wasnt originally intended but let's look at the stronger point... They tried to balance animation cancelling in Update 9 or 10. That isn't just acceptance, but a full embrace and bring into the fold of animation canceling.

Whinning that it wasn't intended and should be removed now is like saying Borderlands cell shaded art style wasn't the original design and should go back to what it originally was even though they changed it to differentiate itself from Skyrim.

Sometimes changes happen, and sometimes those started as happy accidents. Its the story for teflon and most of the pictures Bob Ross the happy painter ever painted.

altemriel

raviour wrote: »

ani cancel causes lags is totally stupid ra ra ra

lol, how can it cause lag? nope!!! the opposite - too many skill animations in one place at the same time contribute to the lag, not cancelling the animations!!


and yes, it is intended, check this out - Wrobel talking about AC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThZtwhYkKSs

MaxwellC

reminds me of a EP player who whined that I couldn't beat him if I didn't use animation cancelling and that I was exploiting.. man that was so funny because I remember replying "Waa waa Maxwell killed me with animation cancelling waaa" in order to make him feel better .

Gothren

everyone likes animation canceling except the small minority

UltimaJoe777

I'd like to see proof it causes lag. If there is no proof, there is no problem.

DHale

Animation cancelling does not cause lag. That's a period at the end.

Malitias

I've had some really weird bugs when using crystal shards and trying to do animation canceling with either heavy or light attacks, while using S&B. It's really bad with light attacks.

Afafrenferr

You should elaborate what you think animation cancelling is. Some people think weaving light attacks between skills is animation cancelling. If that's what you're talking about, the enchant on my vMA inferno staff says it's intended. Practice it, embrace it. As far as block cancelling, or dodge rolling, the game would break without those animation priorities. You would die MORE often if you can't override whatever animation you're in when you need to block or roll. Stop whining about things. If people spent half the amount of time practicing something in game as they do whining in the forums, they might learn a few things and actually make their characters better. Stop begging for nerfs or massive core game changes that the devs aren't going to do, and don't need to do. Git gud. There I'm one of those people now. See what you've done OP? Rant over.

Alucardo

Oreyn_Bearclaw

They have commented on it before. It was NOT intended, but they are "happy" with it. The reality is that it allows for a layer of skill that makes the game interesting. They have also balanced all PVE content for the last 2 years around weaving. It is 100% required in PVE, and you are doing yourself a disservice if you dont do it PVP.

Garwulf

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

They have commented on it before. It was NOT intended, but they are "happy" with it. The reality is that it allows for a layer of skill that makes the game interesting. They have also balanced all PVE content for the last 2 years around weaving. It is 100% required in PVE, and you are doing yourself a disservice if you dont do it PVP.

I suspect you have a low ping . Try doing it with a 250+ ping that many have to play with and if you can succesfully do it then you definitely have skill. Otherwise you essentially have an exploit that others cannot use.