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Bringing Fighters, mages and undaunted in line with assault/support.

  • Enodoc
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    I think you're in luck, OP. While they are unlikely to reduce the total Reputation required to rank up in the guilds, One Tamriel will supposedly be bringing FG and MG dailies. Hopefully they will give Reputation as a reward, meaning there will be additional ways to gain Rep over Lorebooks and Daedra, and thus ranking up will go faster.
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  • NBrookus
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    silky_soft wrote: »
    We saw massive reductions in the time it takes to obtain alliance war skills over the past year. This was to better help cater to the wider eso community. It's now well over due to see the same happen with these skill lines for the same reason.

    Edit: Not only was it reduced but AP was doubled.

    If you aren't a PvE'er and don't have a regular group of dungeon-mates, Undaunted is a stupidly long and painful grind because PUG'ing the DLC dungeons is just an exercise in masochism.

    But I think we are getting some relief. Not only are we getting FG and MG dailies, but don't we have 3 daily Undaunted pledges now? And with the new "hard modes" for the non-vet dungeons, there should be a bunch of new achievements available. I doubt the hard modes of these older dungeons will be as tough as the new DLC dungeons. If they aren't, they will be more PUG friendly. And even if they are are difficult, more available achievements means less whittling away at daily pledges.
    Edited by NBrookus on September 1, 2016 7:16PM
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  • s7732425ub17_ESO
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    No.

    This is yet another suggestion that dumbs down the game by giving players more things easier and faster.

    If there is no sense of accomplishment and nothing to work towards, the game would not be fun.

    Ever since you were a baby, you wanted to eat your own food. You didn't like being spoonfed. So stop asking to be spoonfed.
  • Shadesofkin
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    silky_soft wrote: »
    We saw massive reductions in the time it takes to obtain alliance war skills over the past year. This was to better help cater to the wider eso community. It's now well over due to see the same happen with these skill lines for the same reason.

    Edit: Not only was it reduced but AP was doubled.

    To be fair there's a lot less to do to earn ap than to earn the exp for those skills. None of them takes longer than 3 days. Less if you're really dedicated.

    If you're not a PVE-er sure, it might seem like quite a grind, but if you're not a PVP-er (even with the reduction to AP needed) the climb to Proxy Det is equally long.
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  • potirondb16_ESO
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    Fighter's guild and undaunted are painfull IMO, Mage guild ... not so much.

    My personnal leveling technique include, running random dungeon, going through the zone and getting all skyshard/world boss/dolment/ book/ and gringing a little bit along the way to stay at the level of the zone if needed.

    I don't do a lot of grinding simply a little, and it is true that I usually find myself at level 6 in fighter's guild (sometimes 7) and 3 or 4 in Undaunted...

    Doing all the dungeon from undaunted and getting all achievement wouldn't even brin me to rank 7 (Assassin = Death Challenge) or would bring me at rank 7 but not sure if it wasn't 6. But the bad news for me was there was still 2 rank to go...

    I know now how to do it easily it includes get master healer and master blocker as well as master dps for all group achievement and from all raid... but for anyone who cannot do it because they don't own the necessite gear... I mean I had all achievement on a toon after 3 days of run (which included multiple run) COA and WGT-ICP included but still needed to grind after useless kill to get rank 9...

    I understand that you can achieve it rather quickly but ... still takes a awfull lot of achievement in order to get to max rank !

    EDIT: Good news though there will soon be more achievement to collect so overall it should be easier to get !
    Edited by potirondb16_ESO on September 1, 2016 8:16PM
  • kojou
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    LOL... This isn't what I thought it was going to be.

    I thought there was going to be a discussion about buffing Mages, Undaunted, and Figher's guild skills and passives to the level that Assault and Support are.

    On topic...

    Its not that hard. Do you want everything handed to you on a silver platter when you start your new character?
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    KenaPKK wrote: »
    You people don't like working to earn anything do you?

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  • Drdeath20
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    code65536 wrote: »
    Undaunted 9 really isn't that bad; I have it on all 7 of my max-level characters. The last time I got a character to Undaunted 9, it took just one vet pledge cycle (10 days) (and making sure to get as many achievements as possible as I did each pledge). I actually got Undaunted 9 before MG 10 or FG 10.

    But you can solo get the other skill lines. Undaunted requires the abomination that is group finder for most.
  • Drdeath20
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    Hamrb wrote: »
    I think the fighters guild and mages are attainable enough. you could grind both out within the same play session
    if there was a repeatable sort of pledge, undaunted would be fair as well.
    Still, getting to max in alliance war is a lot of work for a non pvper. and it seems the same for undaunted with non pvers. if you have friends that are decently knowledgable, you can knock out all the group dungeon and vet dungeon achieves to reach max undaunted within a day or 2. same goes with pvp. and not everyone has a group or strat to gain ap like main pvpers do.
    theres gotta be some sort of grind right?

    Ap is givien by just being in cyrodil when the scoring tic goes off every hour.
  • Shadesofkin
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    Drdeath20 wrote: »
    Hamrb wrote: »
    I think the fighters guild and mages are attainable enough. you could grind both out within the same play session
    if there was a repeatable sort of pledge, undaunted would be fair as well.
    Still, getting to max in alliance war is a lot of work for a non pvper. and it seems the same for undaunted with non pvers. if you have friends that are decently knowledgable, you can knock out all the group dungeon and vet dungeon achieves to reach max undaunted within a day or 2. same goes with pvp. and not everyone has a group or strat to gain ap like main pvpers do.
    theres gotta be some sort of grind right?

    Ap is givien by just being in cyrodil when the scoring tic goes off every hour.

    Just being in cyrodil ruins my enjoyment of the game. I loooooooooathe it.
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  • Hamrb
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    Drdeath20 wrote: »
    Hamrb wrote: »
    I think the fighters guild and mages are attainable enough. you could grind both out within the same play session
    if there was a repeatable sort of pledge, undaunted would be fair as well.
    Still, getting to max in alliance war is a lot of work for a non pvper. and it seems the same for undaunted with non pvers. if you have friends that are decently knowledgable, you can knock out all the group dungeon and vet dungeon achieves to reach max undaunted within a day or 2. same goes with pvp. and not everyone has a group or strat to gain ap like main pvpers do.
    theres gotta be some sort of grind right?

    Ap is givien by just being in cyrodil when the scoring tic goes off every hour.

    Just being in cyrodil ruins my enjoyment of the game. I loooooooooathe it.

    he's missed the entire point of my post anyways shades. pvpers hate pve and vice-versa. its gonna be a grind if you don't have regular group on either side of the game, that are experienced. Let there be progression in an MMO, otherwise, we just get max level everything, and nothing is earned. the feeling of accomplishment is a great part of any mmo, after some hour of "grind".

    I want you to think about how long id have to just "sit" in cyrodil to make enough ap for alliance war level 10....
    Edited by Hamrb on September 1, 2016 9:47PM
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  • Shadesofkin
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    Hamrb wrote: »
    Drdeath20 wrote: »
    Hamrb wrote: »
    I think the fighters guild and mages are attainable enough. you could grind both out within the same play session
    if there was a repeatable sort of pledge, undaunted would be fair as well.
    Still, getting to max in alliance war is a lot of work for a non pvper. and it seems the same for undaunted with non pvers. if you have friends that are decently knowledgable, you can knock out all the group dungeon and vet dungeon achieves to reach max undaunted within a day or 2. same goes with pvp. and not everyone has a group or strat to gain ap like main pvpers do.
    theres gotta be some sort of grind right?

    Ap is givien by just being in cyrodil when the scoring tic goes off every hour.

    Just being in cyrodil ruins my enjoyment of the game. I loooooooooathe it.

    he's missed the entire point of my post anyways shades. pvpers hate pve and vice-versa. its gonna be a grind if you don't have regular group on either side of the game, that are experienced. Let there be progression in an MMO, otherwise, we just get max level everything, and nothing is earned. the feeling of accomplishment is a great part of any mmo, after some hour of "grind".

    I want you to think about how long id have to just "sit" in cyrodil to make enough ap for alliance war level 10....

    And that is precisely why I haven't gone back in to get Caltrops. I hit vigor on my latest stam dps and said "screw this noise". I just can't do it, even with a group...it's so absolutely awful.

    I'm perfectly ok with being a crappy pvper who can't stay in cyrodil long enough to earn a respectable amount of AP.
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  • Hamrb
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    Hamrb wrote: »
    Drdeath20 wrote: »
    Hamrb wrote: »
    I think the fighters guild and mages are attainable enough. you could grind both out within the same play session
    if there was a repeatable sort of pledge, undaunted would be fair as well.
    Still, getting to max in alliance war is a lot of work for a non pvper. and it seems the same for undaunted with non pvers. if you have friends that are decently knowledgable, you can knock out all the group dungeon and vet dungeon achieves to reach max undaunted within a day or 2. same goes with pvp. and not everyone has a group or strat to gain ap like main pvpers do.
    theres gotta be some sort of grind right?

    Ap is givien by just being in cyrodil when the scoring tic goes off every hour.

    Just being in cyrodil ruins my enjoyment of the game. I loooooooooathe it.

    he's missed the entire point of my post anyways shades. pvpers hate pve and vice-versa. its gonna be a grind if you don't have regular group on either side of the game, that are experienced. Let there be progression in an MMO, otherwise, we just get max level everything, and nothing is earned. the feeling of accomplishment is a great part of any mmo, after some hour of "grind".

    I want you to think about how long id have to just "sit" in cyrodil to make enough ap for alliance war level 10....

    And that is precisely why I haven't gone back in to get Caltrops. I hit vigor on my latest stam dps and said "screw this noise". I just can't do it, even with a group...it's so absolutely awful.

    I'm perfectly ok with being a crappy pvper who can't stay in cyrodil long enough to earn a respectable amount of AP.

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  • Erondil
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    wayfarerx wrote: »
    It's not easy when you need to do it with all your 8 toons.

    I have MG & FG on all eight of my characters, really it's not hard at all. Undaunted takes a bit more work because you need a group but it's not like you have to clear all the DLC vet hardmodes to get undaunted 9 or anything. Come tomorrow I'll have my 4th at undaunted 9 charcter, and number 5 is not far behind.

    Its not hard to level them, not at all... it just takes alot of time and isnt very fun after the first time. Especially Mages guild, any idiot can do it with lorebook addon but its boring af. Account bound is the way to go imo. Same for undaunted, not hard to do pledges and raids in normal mode (actually would be better if pledges were harder atm you can go in there brainless mode) but spending 30mins to do pledges everyday for 1 month is frustrating. Talking as somebody whos got 6 chars undaunted 9 and 5 mages guild 10.
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  • Shadesofkin
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    Erondil wrote: »
    wayfarerx wrote: »
    It's not easy when you need to do it with all your 8 toons.

    I have MG & FG on all eight of my characters, really it's not hard at all. Undaunted takes a bit more work because you need a group but it's not like you have to clear all the DLC vet hardmodes to get undaunted 9 or anything. Come tomorrow I'll have my 4th at undaunted 9 charcter, and number 5 is not far behind.

    Its not hard to level them, not at all... it just takes alot of time and isnt very fun after the first time. Especially Mages guild, any idiot can do it with lorebook addon but its boring af. Account bound is the way to go imo. Same for undaunted, not hard to do pledges and raids in normal mode (actually would be better if pledges were harder atm you can go in there brainless mode) but spending 30mins to do pledges everyday for 1 month is frustrating. Talking as somebody whos got 6 chars undaunted 9 and 5 mages guild 10.

    account bound makes zero sense though. I mean, I can understand that it's certainly convenient, but ultimately ridiculous.

    You can hammer out undaunted in a day btw, it's not 1 a day a month. I have multiple characters as well, but that isn't a reason to start breaking the game by adding in account bound skill lines.
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  • code65536
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    Drdeath20 wrote: »
    code65536 wrote: »
    Undaunted 9 really isn't that bad; I have it on all 7 of my max-level characters. The last time I got a character to Undaunted 9, it took just one vet pledge cycle (10 days) (and making sure to get as many achievements as possible as I did each pledge). I actually got Undaunted 9 before MG 10 or FG 10.

    But you can solo get the other skill lines. Undaunted requires the abomination that is group finder for most.

    Or friends, guildmates, etc. MMOs are social games. Surely most people have social connections.
    Edited by code65536 on September 2, 2016 12:05AM
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    code65536 wrote: »

    Or friends, guildmates, etc. MMOs are social games. Surely most people have social connections.

    @code65536, please stop making posts that make sense.

    If forum-goers follow your lead ... and start having rational and well-thought discussion ... the forums entertainment value will be in the doldrums.

    Edited by Taleof2Cities on September 2, 2016 3:03AM
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  • Hiero_Glyph
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    No.

    This is yet another suggestion that dumbs down the game by giving players more things easier and faster.

    If there is no sense of accomplishment and nothing to work towards, the game would not be fun.

    Ever since you were a baby, you wanted to eat your own food. You didn't like being spoonfed. So stop asking to be spoonfed.

    Please feel free to explain how reducing a grind is dumbing something down. Are you trying to claim that following a guide or installing a mod to locate lore books require high intelligence? Likewise, does it make you smarter for repeating the same Fighter's Guild questline on multiple characters?

    All the rest if just your personal bias.
  • NeillMcAttack
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    Remember, for those on PC, you only think mages guild is fine because you have an add-on that tells you where they all are. On console we have to use a laptop as reference which easily doubles the time it takes.
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