Dragonstar Arena Leaderboards Must be Wiped

andy_s

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Seiffer

Currently it's possible to downscale VETERAN DSA to below champion level (e.g. 37 on the screenshot below), and still get the score and get to the leaderboards (including current weekly on PC EU). Look at those 3 brave players (position 5) who don't even have champion points cap (found them in some guild roster):



Proof that scoring works in vet DSA (level 37 mobs, but vitality bonus and points are in the right bottom corner):



Of course, I'm not gonna explain how it is done, because it's slightly more than just having non vet in a group, but it's a very known method that people used to get vet Maw of Lorkhaj achievements before ZOS added cp160 requirement to them. Hope it will be fixed as fast as possible, but I guess many people are going to get free weekly rewards this time

@Nifty2g will be probably interested, since his team cares about the score a lot

incite

Disgraceful

Alpheu5

If it drops a level 37 master weapon at the end, then lol.

code65536

WTF?

@ZOS_Finn

Wollust

This is just ridiculous.

Nifty2g

andy_s wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Seiffer

Currently it's possible to downscale VETERAN DSA to below champion level (e.g. 37 on the screenshot below), and still get the score and get to the leaderboards (including current weekly on PC EU). Look at those 3 brave players (position 5) who don't even have champion points cap (found them in some guild roster):



Proof that scoring works in vet DSA (level 37 mobs, but vitality bonus and points are in the right bottom corner):



Of course, I'm not gonna explain how it is done, because it's slightly more than just having non vet in a group, but it's a very known method that people used to get vet Maw of Lorkhaj achievements before ZOS added cp160 requirement to them. Hope it will be fixed as fast as possible, but I guess many people are going to get free weekly rewards this time

@Nifty2g will be probably interested, since his team cares about the score a lot

Always *** something man, I just want to have some competition.
What a disgrace though, my 43k had 2 deaths which would be 45k and these people exploiting can't even do that lol

Good cool out though

FeaR Turbo

This upsets my deeply, as this is my favorite content. Small Scale PVE.

Jaronking

I have no problem with someone scaling it down and still getting CP160 gear when it doesn't affect leaderboards but when this crap affect leaderboards it needs to be fixed at once.

Nifty2g

Jaronking wrote: »

I have no problem with someone scaling it down and still getting CP160 gear when it doesn't affect leaderboards but when this crap affect leaderboards it needs to be fixed at once.

So you feel like it is okay to scale down end game content to get end game gear at a lower level without any effort?
They are both as bad as each other

Jaronking

Nifty2g wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

I have no problem with someone scaling it down and still getting CP160 gear when it doesn't affect leaderboards but when this crap affect leaderboards it needs to be fixed at once.

So you feel like it is okay to scale down end game content to get end game gear at a lower level without any effort?
They are both as bad as each other

One effect competition the other doesn't.When something effects competition in have a problem with it.Something like scaling down Sanctum to get purple cp160 faster I don't care about.It doesn't affect competition on allow players to get gear faster and be ready for more difficult content.

Nifty2g

Jaronking wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

I have no problem with someone scaling it down and still getting CP160 gear when it doesn't affect leaderboards but when this crap affect leaderboards it needs to be fixed at once.

So you feel like it is okay to scale down end game content to get end game gear at a lower level without any effort?
They are both as bad as each other

One effect competition the other doesn't.When something effects competition in have a problem with it.Something like scaling down Sanctum to get purple cp160 faster I don't care about.It doesn't affect competition on allow players to get gear faster and be ready for more difficult content.

It should be a progression, nothing should be handed to you, that's just silly, you don't learn anything.
Both of them sound like a bug to me, and you know what they said about exploits. I expect it to be fixed soon, just seems like you are cutting corners at progression and I hope to god ZOS are not promoting that, players need the experience

Jaronking

Nifty2g wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

I have no problem with someone scaling it down and still getting CP160 gear when it doesn't affect leaderboards but when this crap affect leaderboards it needs to be fixed at once.

So you feel like it is okay to scale down end game content to get end game gear at a lower level without any effort?
They are both as bad as each other

One effect competition the other doesn't.When something effects competition in have a problem with it.Something like scaling down Sanctum to get purple cp160 faster I don't care about.It doesn't affect competition on allow players to get gear faster and be ready for more difficult content.

It should be a progression, nothing should be handed to you, that's just silly, you don't learn anything

I can agree you should earn it.I just don't see it as big of a deal as some people unless it affect leaderboard than it ruins good sportsmanship.

Nifty2g

Jaronking wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

I have no problem with someone scaling it down and still getting CP160 gear when it doesn't affect leaderboards but when this crap affect leaderboards it needs to be fixed at once.

So you feel like it is okay to scale down end game content to get end game gear at a lower level without any effort?
They are both as bad as each other

One effect competition the other doesn't.When something effects competition in have a problem with it.Something like scaling down Sanctum to get purple cp160 faster I don't care about.It doesn't affect competition on allow players to get gear faster and be ready for more difficult content.

It should be a progression, nothing should be handed to you, that's just silly, you don't learn anything

I can agree you should earn it.I just don't see it as big of a deal as some people unless it affect leaderboard than it ruins good sportsmanship.

Being in an end game guild, you will start to notice that you want players with experience rather than the gear, because even if they have the gear they still won't know that much and will have no progression at all and end up getting no where basically.
So that is why scaled gear is a horribly disgusting idea.

AtmaDarkwolf

I just see it as a wall of shame.

Wouldn't bother me one bit if those players all mysteriously vanished from the world (IE: banned)

LadyNalcarya

AtmaDarkwolf wrote: »

I just see it as a wall of shame.

Wouldn't bother me one bit if those players all mysteriously vanished from the world (IE: banned)

I agree. But you know whats even more shameful?
Considering how Zenimax handled such issues in the past, the worst the exploiters can possibly get is a 3 days ban...

Even cheat engine user's score werent removed from vMA leaderboards as far as I know...

BackFreckle

So this affects nothing but score? (Not trying to downplay it just curious as to the perpetrators "rewards" for doing this)

andy_s

BackFreckle wrote: »

So this affects nothing but score? (Not trying to downplay it just curious as to the perpetrators "rewards" for doing this)

I don't know what level the loot is. If the final chest scales to your level, then it's a free master weapon too.

LadyNalcarya

andy_s wrote: »

BackFreckle wrote: »

So this affects nothing but score? (Not trying to downplay it just curious as to the perpetrators "rewards" for doing this)

I don't know what level the loot is. If the final chest scales to your level, then it's a free master weapon too.

+free weekly of course.

GoodOrc

[SNIP] Now weekly becomes a joke!
Just free weekly for exploiters!

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober just notice this topic and try to do somthing!
I rely think some of your testers need work harder!

Trublz

This is not really related to OPs post but... I've never done DSA norm or vet. I was wondering if the weapons drop from norm or just vet??? I saw deltias video from pre CP and apparently they used to drop in normal. And are the 1h weapons any good for PVE? I know the bows are

Cinbri

What weekly rewards does vDSA granting?

The_Saint

Cinbri wrote: »

What weekly rewards does vDSA granting?

Last week AA was MOL loot, so DSA will also give MOL loot i think. I asked that questions weeks ago but nobody from zos answer....

My hopes for weekly
AA, HR, SO = yokeda, ophidian, mage
MOL = Alkosh, moondancer ...
DSA = master weapons and/or Footmen, healer jewerly gold (just for money;-))



And yes it is a shame that every new be can downscale for score, loot or achievement and they dont learn...

ICP, WGT downscale for archievement
MOL downscale for archievement
MOL, AA, HR, SO downscale for CP160 loot
CoS and RoM downscale for skins

And now DSA for leaderboard and i also think cp 160 loot

And all is possible with a complete group full of CP160 and higher.

juhasman

Well sad thing is that it's not even a cheating. If someone can downscale dungeons, trials and get achievements it's obvious he can do the same with vDSA. Leaderboards for vDSA should be only for cp160 runs same like for vet trials atm.

helediron

Nifty2g wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

I have no problem with someone scaling it down and still getting CP160 gear when it doesn't affect leaderboards but when this crap affect leaderboards it needs to be fixed at once.

So you feel like it is okay to scale down end game content to get end game gear at a lower level without any effort?
They are both as bad as each other

One effect competition the other doesn't.When something effects competition in have a problem with it.Something like scaling down Sanctum to get purple cp160 faster I don't care about.It doesn't affect competition on allow players to get gear faster and be ready for more difficult content.

It should be a progression, nothing should be handed to you, that's just silly, you don't learn anything.
Both of them sound like a bug to me, and you know what they said about exploits. I expect it to be fixed soon, just seems like you are cutting corners at progression and I hope to god ZOS are not promoting that, players need the experience

Have you noticed that there hasn't been so much nerf calls lately? I believe it is because there is now this way of farming end gear. Be careful what you wish for. Until ZOS can make multiple difficulty levels and tokens, this is a good choice.

andy_s

juhasman wrote: »

Well sad thing is that it's not even a cheating. If someone can downscale dungeons, trials and get achievements it's obvious he can do the same with vDSA. Leaderboards for vDSA should be only for cp160 runs same like for vet trials atm.

It's not just scaling to lower cp level, it's scaling a veteran dungeon/trial to normal level, that shouldn't be possible at all. Some people do vet dungeons on level 10 and get all the achievements. I don't care about them, but when they come and do it with vDSA and get the score, then it's a problem and an intentional cheating.

brandishsteel

fix it and ban

Asmael

No wonder people keep asking for video proof of the runs when getting the top scores with this kind of BS happening.

You can do whatever the *** you want as long as you don't benefit from it, Meteor 300 times in a row NPCs without getting XP or loot, I don't care, but steal leaderboard spots, and you should taste the banhammer.

Fecius

Bug reported, hope they will fix it soon or at least make leaderbordes locked at 160 CP or smth.

LadyNalcarya

@juhasman wrote: »

Well sad thing is that it's not even a cheating. If someone can downscale dungeons, trials and get achievements it's obvious he can do the same with vDSA. Leaderboards for vDSA should be only for cp160 runs same like for vet trials atm.

It is cheating. It was never possible to get a score with downscaled trial and its not intended.
Also, even if you did, lets say vMA on vr15 character (when vet ranks were a thing), you werent able to get weekly loot.

andy_s wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Seiffer

This must be fixed

SienneYviete

Every time ZOS smh!

Nifty2g

helediron wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

I have no problem with someone scaling it down and still getting CP160 gear when it doesn't affect leaderboards but when this crap affect leaderboards it needs to be fixed at once.

So you feel like it is okay to scale down end game content to get end game gear at a lower level without any effort?
They are both as bad as each other

One effect competition the other doesn't.When something effects competition in have a problem with it.Something like scaling down Sanctum to get purple cp160 faster I don't care about.It doesn't affect competition on allow players to get gear faster and be ready for more difficult content.

It should be a progression, nothing should be handed to you, that's just silly, you don't learn anything.
Both of them sound like a bug to me, and you know what they said about exploits. I expect it to be fixed soon, just seems like you are cutting corners at progression and I hope to god ZOS are not promoting that, players need the experience

Have you noticed that there hasn't been so much nerf calls lately? I believe it is because there is now this way of farming end gear. Be careful what you wish for. Until ZOS can make multiple difficulty levels and tokens, this is a good choice.

I don't see how, all I see is a way for people to bypass a learning process. Gear doesn't automatically make you good, it used to, however in the new "meta" mechanics are much more punishing, staying alive and knowing fights is key