RADIANT DESTRUCTION.....

Cinbri

timidobserver wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

@Wrobel There is tons of rage-threads about Radiant Destruction and there was never such threads about Blinding Light. It perfectly indicate that it is time to reverse this horrible change and grant us even revamped Blinding Light.
For example adds in Mazzatun use this animation to shoot rocks, so new BL can knockdown 3 enemies through block round templar, so class will get AoE CC that goes thorugh block like other classes have coz Luminous Shards were seriously nerfed and can't play this role anymore.

A stamplar in the current meta with blinding light would break the game.

Everything broken for stamina builds with current meta. I don't wanna see that things will be still broken when this meta will be fixed(if?)

AfkNinja

Accusing people who disagree with you of trolling:

"the only trolling on these forums are people who blindly defend an over performing skill."

Implying anyone against your view point is part of some type of conspiracy "bandwagon":

"you are part of the "defend the toxic state pvp is right now" bandwagon."

Every single one of your posts includes an attempt to invalidate others opinions because you disagree with them, but you refuse to use actual arguments.

Once again I remind all of you, STOP TRYING TO CONVINCE TEMPLAR'S THEIR SKILL NEEDS NERFED as it is a futile effort.

You should be trying to convince developers, developers only understand MATH AND FACTS. Your pointless anecdotal "evidence" will just be ignored. Stop putting others opinions down for reviewing and analyzing your "evidence" and trying to claim we are part of some conspiracy to keep Magic Templar on top. I DO NOT PLAY MAGIC TEMPLAR and every time you insinuate we are all beam spamming noobs it just drives home the point that you have no argumentative substance.

AfkNinja

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

the only trolling on these forums are people who blindly defend an over performing skill. you may just have a problem with me being persistent in the obvious fact this ability is over performing. either that or you are part of the "defend the toxic state pvp is right now" bandwagon.

Resorting to personal attacks when you have no argument is a sign that you have lost the debate. Get better evidence and try again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

define personal attacks to me please, your accusation seems a tad vague... in my comment above i do not see or recall speaking personally to an individual, it was more general but please do indulge.

Also I directly linked Ad Hominem for you, read it.

genjutsu_kami

AfkNinja wrote: »

Accusing people who disagree with you of trolling:

"the only trolling on these forums are people who blindly defend an over performing skill."

Implying anyone against your view point is part of some type of conspiracy "bandwagon":

"you are part of the "defend the toxic state pvp is right now" bandwagon."

Every single one of your posts includes an attempt to invalidate others opinions because you disagree with them, but you refuse to use actual arguments.

Once again I remind all of you, STOP TRYING TO CONVINCE TEMPLAR'S THEIR SKILL NEEDS NERFED as it is a futile effort.

You should be trying to convince developers, developers only understand MATH AND FACTS. Your pointless anecdotal "evidence" will just be ignored. Stop putting others opinions down for reviewing and analyzing your "evidence" and trying to claim we are part of some conspiracy to keep Magic Templar on top. I DO NOT PLAY MAGIC TEMPLAR and every time you insinuate we are all beam spamming noobs it just drives home the point that you have no argumentative substance.

thank you for clarifying your statement, the first comment was subjective based on the responses received from the thread so i would not consider that a "personal" attack.

the second was expressed as an opinion and not a personal attack, this is because of the use of a metaphorical word many use to describe a situation or collective individuals.

i have not invalidated everyone, there have been some people who have made comments that i do not particularly agree with but the manner of the opinion is respected by myself as i have not commented on their initial post. so thats false.

and no my good sir i will not 'STOP' trying to get the point across that there is a genuine performances issue just because you say so.

it is in my best interest to persistently highlight the issues we have within the game to make it better, thats if the suggestions are taken on board by the developers or not. and i beg to differ my argument will not be ignored...why because there have been many threads on other class abilities that had people argue and try to bully their way into defending the ability but ultimately they have been changed... that is a fact. so that particular statement you made is inaccurate my good friend.

AfkNinja

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

Accusing people who disagree with you of trolling:

"the only trolling on these forums are people who blindly defend an over performing skill."

Implying anyone against your view point is part of some type of conspiracy "bandwagon":

"you are part of the "defend the toxic state pvp is right now" bandwagon."

Every single one of your posts includes an attempt to invalidate others opinions because you disagree with them, but you refuse to use actual arguments.

Once again I remind all of you, STOP TRYING TO CONVINCE TEMPLAR'S THEIR SKILL NEEDS NERFED as it is a futile effort.

You should be trying to convince developers, developers only understand MATH AND FACTS. Your pointless anecdotal "evidence" will just be ignored. Stop putting others opinions down for reviewing and analyzing your "evidence" and trying to claim we are part of some conspiracy to keep Magic Templar on top. I DO NOT PLAY MAGIC TEMPLAR and every time you insinuate we are all beam spamming noobs it just drives home the point that you have no argumentative substance.

thank you for clarifying your statement, the first comment was subjective based on the responses received from the thread so i would not consider that a "personal" attack.

the second was expressed as an opinion and not a personal attack, this is because of the use of a metaphorical word many use to describe a situation or collective individuals.

i have not invalidated everyone, there have been some people who have made comments that i do not particularly agree with but the manner of the opinion is respected by myself as i have not commented on their initial post. so thats false.

and no my good sir i will not 'STOP' trying to get the point across that there is a genuine performances issue just because you say so.

it is in my best interest to persistently highlight the issues we have within the game to make it better, thats if the suggestions are taken on board by the developers or not. and i beg to differ my argument will not be ignored...why because there have been many threads on other class abilities that had people argue and try to bully their way into defending the ability but ultimately they have been changed... that is a fact. so that particular statement you made is inaccurate my good friend.

I didn't tell you to stop posting on the subject I told you to stop trying to argue with templar's. I told you to restructure your argument in a better way so Developers will pay attention.

Joy_Division

What a waste of a thread.

Blacksheepart

Soul Assault does the same thing.

genjutsu_kami

Joy_Division wrote: »

What a waste of a thread.

what a waste of a comment....

genjutsu_kami

Blacksheepart wrote: »

Soul Assault does the same thing.

my point exactly.... its better than an ultimate

bowmanz607

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

@genjutsu_kami

Lets be clear sport, you personally attack Every. Single. Person. that disagrees with your nonsense. And make no mistake, everything you've ever posted on this subject has been nonsense. You are clueless about how this skill works, and you purposefully have posted incorrect and misleading information.

It's not a surprise that your threads have been repeatedly closed by the mods.

+1

just to correct you..... closed because i have already made threads on the same subject (which is reasonable) and there is over 3k views on this thread so... success i would say.

clearly showing theres an issue.

back to your other ridiculous statement.

i don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me but i do have a problem with clear delusion when video evidence shows an over performing skill and certain community members are not honest enough to admit to the problem.

so spout your nonsense claims else where please. many thanks

Only nonsense is you, mate. But please continue to be delusional.

thats rich, you RD spammer fan boys band together when you realise if your RD gets balanced you will become more terrible at playing the game then you are now. i don't blame you if i was a one bar one ability spamming delusional player i would get sweaty when people post threads about the skill also lol. carry on... the RD will get the change soon *wink

No what is rich is people like you on threads in this forum. People who get proved wrong based on stats, videos and objective interpretation who then turn around and use the only pitiful argument that they have left. O you must all be Rd spamming mag templars because you are against my position. It is a pathetic attempt to salvage any semblance of an argument that you have left.

You fail to see the objective facts in front of you because of your own subjective beliefs. What is funny is when I go to a nb thread where people whineven and they get proven wrong in much the same way I am a nb who is defending broken skills. Or when I go to a dk thread I am a dk defending skills. Blah blah blah. So which is it I wonder? Which class do I play and defend? I obviously can not be playing all classes and styles according to people like you. According to people like you I only play one class and use one skill. Hmmm something is wrong here.

But it is find why don't you step back into your delusional bubble and back into the world where your position is right despite the facts, evidence, and objective conclusions being against you and back to the world where anyone who uses facts, evidence and objective conclusions are all simply people who spam Rd and are defending that.

Just in case you are wondering. I have 2 templars. One healer and one stam tank/dps. Obviously my stam one doesn't use and my healer is well a healer and has all points into healing so don't really use rd. I also have a dk I switch between stam and mag. I have a sorc and I also have mag nb and stam nb. Overally main has been a stam nb since beta.

Proved wrong... absolutely not what has happened on this thread are videos of individuals being subjected to an ability that is clearly over performing and defenders spouting their calculations and combat simulations on what a person should do when in fact its a long shot from the reality of the situation in a PVP environment.

you say evidence and facts... well this is quite humorous because I've seen threads of night blade abilities being over powered and over performing and countless people do exactly what you say..... give evidence, facts etc but never the less the abilities ultimately are "CHANGED!" example - incap strike ...... another example - breath of life ..... oh theres many more.

and i can assure you them threads also had people defending and providing logic (or lack of logic) to defend these abilities but ultimately they have been changed

so i would 100% say that my attempts to shed light on RD is not waisted at all because regardless of you spouting, evidence, facts etc ..... eventually these subjects will be addressed like all the other class have been, from night blades to sorcerers and DKs that my friend is FACT.

Loll BUT THE THINGS WE ARE SPOUTING OFF ARE BASED ON VIDEOS POSTED BY PEOPLE TO SHOW IT IS OVER PERFORMING AND WE SIMPLY SHOW HOW IT IS NOT OVER PERFORMING IN THOSE VIDEOS!!! THIS IS DIRECT EVIDENCE BACK UP WITH LOGIC AND NUMBERS OF OUR POSITION. WE ARE NOT USING SOME SORT OF ILLUSORY COMBAT SIMULATION TO SUPPORT OUR POSITION. IN FACY, WE TOOK DIRECT VIDEO PROOF TO SUPPORT OUR POSITION!

The simple fact that you can't see this and your consistency to not give an actual rebuttal to those facts outside of you are all just defending it IS an illusory and subjective argument that has no weight in a conversation that has used videos, numbers and stats along with practical advice in combat situations on how to help people against RD.

It is funny how you talk about how other threads get repeated to show a problem with something and then it gets done. Sometimes it is warranted for one thing because this game is not perfect and you would be blind to say changes shouldn't happen. But your understanding of how and why things got changed is skewed.

Just because there were many threads about something does not mean it was actually changed or was changed because of the threads. Incap strike for instance was a change on the PTS. You know where testing and feedback is supposed to go. So that is understandable. What about cloak. People whined and complained about that forever and it never got changed. Why? Because people who know how to play knew the counters to cloak and used them and these facts were explained and elloborated on in nerf forums all over. And what do you know cloak is still cloak.

So it is not that there are many threads about something so there must be an issue and it must be changed. It depends on the context of those threads along with other sources of information outside these forums. Wrobel likes numbers and so far the numbers are not in your favor based on what I have seen and experienced in game and in threads. Not to mention Wrobel did testing as said it is working fine.

So go ahead and keep yelling about it cause it won't change the objective facts about the ability. Luke fighting people with cloak, it is a l2p issue. And that sir is a fact!

great use of capitals..... capital letters will not accentuate your statement... just to let you know of course.

i could very easily redirect your rebuttal claim to your self and other defenders of RD, your analysis on how RD performs is considered biased to a point of view of the spammer. and of course other RD users will join in on that basis. although it does not necessarily make it correct.

my understanding is not skewed my good sir it is accurate because i too have been on the forums and i have seen other people that play other classes complain about a particular skill, now the argument varies depending on the situation, meaning its value in terms of damage or its accessibility or utility.... either way there are still people coming on those threads and expressing their issue with these abilities and they have been changed. again ill repeat just so you can see it clear (INCAP STRIKE) (BREATH OF LIFE) (HARDEN WARD)...etc.

your specification of the ability and why they where changed does not concern the fundamental changes that where made. meaning, the abilities still...got....changed. obviously because there was an issue with the ability in the first place.

now using the brain power you have use that same logic to understand that RD threads are working in the same manner. their is a concern that RD is over performing. now it is very likely that it will be changed.... or not. but the underling issue is people in the community feel there is a problem to the performance of the ability. no matter how hard you RD defenders try you can not deny that obvious fact.

and just to clarify ... their are many abilities previous to these patches that were deemed "working as intended" although they still came under the scope and have been changed recently, example - healing while in stealth (Vigor now takes you out of stealth when activated) of course lets not digress, this is just and example. but are you now going to deny that people in the community have not spout the issues with play styles that let you recover more efficiently in stealth? of course you wouldn't.

no ones yelling, this is quite a calm response.... can not say the same for your full capital letter paragraph...

in all case these discussions are refreshing it really does underline a genuine concern on the performance of this ability

i welcome more calm collective response, and I am looking forward to the communities continual feedback on the matter.

Lots of threads about something does not equal an issue with the ability. What establishes an issue with an ability is the objective facts and reasoned logic typically back up by verifiable numbers. It is those type of threads that bring in changes. Threads that keep getting reposted stating things that are not backed up by these things are just that, threads that say nothing.

Lots of threads about a subject can mean that there are people that are just not understanding what is happening such as the last video established in this thread and is a common issue among many players. Lots of threads can also mean a small number of players reposting the same thing. This is something you have done. Also, a common thread in this forum may not be a common issue in others or with people who are not on the forums etc.

genjutsu_kami

bowmanz607 wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

@genjutsu_kami

Lets be clear sport, you personally attack Every. Single. Person. that disagrees with your nonsense. And make no mistake, everything you've ever posted on this subject has been nonsense. You are clueless about how this skill works, and you purposefully have posted incorrect and misleading information.

It's not a surprise that your threads have been repeatedly closed by the mods.

+1

just to correct you..... closed because i have already made threads on the same subject (which is reasonable) and there is over 3k views on this thread so... success i would say.

clearly showing theres an issue.

back to your other ridiculous statement.

i don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me but i do have a problem with clear delusion when video evidence shows an over performing skill and certain community members are not honest enough to admit to the problem.

so spout your nonsense claims else where please. many thanks

Only nonsense is you, mate. But please continue to be delusional.

thats rich, you RD spammer fan boys band together when you realise if your RD gets balanced you will become more terrible at playing the game then you are now. i don't blame you if i was a one bar one ability spamming delusional player i would get sweaty when people post threads about the skill also lol. carry on... the RD will get the change soon *wink

No what is rich is people like you on threads in this forum. People who get proved wrong based on stats, videos and objective interpretation who then turn around and use the only pitiful argument that they have left. O you must all be Rd spamming mag templars because you are against my position. It is a pathetic attempt to salvage any semblance of an argument that you have left.

You fail to see the objective facts in front of you because of your own subjective beliefs. What is funny is when I go to a nb thread where people whineven and they get proven wrong in much the same way I am a nb who is defending broken skills. Or when I go to a dk thread I am a dk defending skills. Blah blah blah. So which is it I wonder? Which class do I play and defend? I obviously can not be playing all classes and styles according to people like you. According to people like you I only play one class and use one skill. Hmmm something is wrong here.

But it is find why don't you step back into your delusional bubble and back into the world where your position is right despite the facts, evidence, and objective conclusions being against you and back to the world where anyone who uses facts, evidence and objective conclusions are all simply people who spam Rd and are defending that.

Just in case you are wondering. I have 2 templars. One healer and one stam tank/dps. Obviously my stam one doesn't use and my healer is well a healer and has all points into healing so don't really use rd. I also have a dk I switch between stam and mag. I have a sorc and I also have mag nb and stam nb. Overally main has been a stam nb since beta.

Proved wrong... absolutely not what has happened on this thread are videos of individuals being subjected to an ability that is clearly over performing and defenders spouting their calculations and combat simulations on what a person should do when in fact its a long shot from the reality of the situation in a PVP environment.

you say evidence and facts... well this is quite humorous because I've seen threads of night blade abilities being over powered and over performing and countless people do exactly what you say..... give evidence, facts etc but never the less the abilities ultimately are "CHANGED!" example - incap strike ...... another example - breath of life ..... oh theres many more.

and i can assure you them threads also had people defending and providing logic (or lack of logic) to defend these abilities but ultimately they have been changed

so i would 100% say that my attempts to shed light on RD is not waisted at all because regardless of you spouting, evidence, facts etc ..... eventually these subjects will be addressed like all the other class have been, from night blades to sorcerers and DKs that my friend is FACT.

Loll BUT THE THINGS WE ARE SPOUTING OFF ARE BASED ON VIDEOS POSTED BY PEOPLE TO SHOW IT IS OVER PERFORMING AND WE SIMPLY SHOW HOW IT IS NOT OVER PERFORMING IN THOSE VIDEOS!!! THIS IS DIRECT EVIDENCE BACK UP WITH LOGIC AND NUMBERS OF OUR POSITION. WE ARE NOT USING SOME SORT OF ILLUSORY COMBAT SIMULATION TO SUPPORT OUR POSITION. IN FACY, WE TOOK DIRECT VIDEO PROOF TO SUPPORT OUR POSITION!

The simple fact that you can't see this and your consistency to not give an actual rebuttal to those facts outside of you are all just defending it IS an illusory and subjective argument that has no weight in a conversation that has used videos, numbers and stats along with practical advice in combat situations on how to help people against RD.

It is funny how you talk about how other threads get repeated to show a problem with something and then it gets done. Sometimes it is warranted for one thing because this game is not perfect and you would be blind to say changes shouldn't happen. But your understanding of how and why things got changed is skewed.

Just because there were many threads about something does not mean it was actually changed or was changed because of the threads. Incap strike for instance was a change on the PTS. You know where testing and feedback is supposed to go. So that is understandable. What about cloak. People whined and complained about that forever and it never got changed. Why? Because people who know how to play knew the counters to cloak and used them and these facts were explained and elloborated on in nerf forums all over. And what do you know cloak is still cloak.

So it is not that there are many threads about something so there must be an issue and it must be changed. It depends on the context of those threads along with other sources of information outside these forums. Wrobel likes numbers and so far the numbers are not in your favor based on what I have seen and experienced in game and in threads. Not to mention Wrobel did testing as said it is working fine.

So go ahead and keep yelling about it cause it won't change the objective facts about the ability. Luke fighting people with cloak, it is a l2p issue. And that sir is a fact!

great use of capitals..... capital letters will not accentuate your statement... just to let you know of course.

i could very easily redirect your rebuttal claim to your self and other defenders of RD, your analysis on how RD performs is considered biased to a point of view of the spammer. and of course other RD users will join in on that basis. although it does not necessarily make it correct.

my understanding is not skewed my good sir it is accurate because i too have been on the forums and i have seen other people that play other classes complain about a particular skill, now the argument varies depending on the situation, meaning its value in terms of damage or its accessibility or utility.... either way there are still people coming on those threads and expressing their issue with these abilities and they have been changed. again ill repeat just so you can see it clear (INCAP STRIKE) (BREATH OF LIFE) (HARDEN WARD)...etc.

your specification of the ability and why they where changed does not concern the fundamental changes that where made. meaning, the abilities still...got....changed. obviously because there was an issue with the ability in the first place.

now using the brain power you have use that same logic to understand that RD threads are working in the same manner. their is a concern that RD is over performing. now it is very likely that it will be changed.... or not. but the underling issue is people in the community feel there is a problem to the performance of the ability. no matter how hard you RD defenders try you can not deny that obvious fact.

and just to clarify ... their are many abilities previous to these patches that were deemed "working as intended" although they still came under the scope and have been changed recently, example - healing while in stealth (Vigor now takes you out of stealth when activated) of course lets not digress, this is just and example. but are you now going to deny that people in the community have not spout the issues with play styles that let you recover more efficiently in stealth? of course you wouldn't.

no ones yelling, this is quite a calm response.... can not say the same for your full capital letter paragraph...

in all case these discussions are refreshing it really does underline a genuine concern on the performance of this ability

i welcome more calm collective response, and I am looking forward to the communities continual feedback on the matter.

Lots of threads about something does not equal an issue with the ability. What establishes an issue with an ability is the objective facts and reasoned logic typically back up by verifiable numbers. It is those type of threads that bring in changes. Threads that keep getting reposted stating things that are not backed up by these things are just that, threads that say nothing.

Lots of threads about a subject can mean that there are people that are just not understanding what is happening such as the last video established in this thread and is a common issue among many players. Lots of threads can also mean a small number of players reposting the same thing. This is something you have done. Also, a common thread in this forum may not be a common issue in others or with people who are not on the forums etc.

i can understand and see it from that stand point. although changes are made regardless, this seems to be a pattern that is done for threads in relation such as these, i did mention that threads that are consistently posted for one ability, often means there is a genuine concern in the community. but like i said i can understand from your angle and your reasoning.

AfkNinja

Basically he doesn't care if it ACTUALLY needs to be nerfed. He's going to keep posting over and over until they nerf it anyway because he doesn't like it.

Those spam threads that get things nerfed are frackin cancer to this game, people that argue for nerfs without reliable evidence and research are what ruin MMO's.

Edit: Honestly I don't care if they nerf it, nerfing it would actually make my build STRONGER cause then the main counter to my Stamplar is gone. Then again if the counter goes it's likely Stam in general is gonna get nerfed right after.

Blacksheepart

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

Blacksheepart wrote: »

Soul Assault does the same thing.

my point exactly.... its better than an ultimate

If there was no shiny yellow beam shooting out of someones hand it would be ignored like the rest of the executes.

sluice

/necro


/close thread

Bandit1215

SleepyTroll wrote: »

ZOS has allready said if your being singled out by a mob you would die anyways. Your logic to why it should be dodgable is a pointless argument, this is tamriel not RL. It's not dodgable for the same reason that lighting and restore staves arent.

lol, your counter argument is invalid as those are heavy attacks that hardly deal any damage in the first place. Radiant Destruction hits harder, can be casted from farther, deals more damage, and can execute at a ridiculous amount of health so idk why you are comparing RD with heavy attacks.

Drdeath20

Bandit1215 wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

ZOS has allready said if your being singled out by a mob you would die anyways. Your logic to why it should be dodgable is a pointless argument, this is tamriel not RL. It's not dodgable for the same reason that lighting and restore staves arent.

lol, your counter argument is invalid as those are heavy attacks that hardly deal any damage in the first place. Radiant Destruction hits harder, can be casted from farther, deals more damage, and can execute at a ridiculous amount of health so idk why you are comparing RD with heavy attacks.

It's a l2p issue with you. Learn to bash but wait that means that you would have to stop spamming roll dodge as your only form of defense.

Drdeath20

100% of the people that are killed by RD are fighting off other people or just took end some kind of major damage like a few seige weapons or major fall damage.

The mentality of these threads. Roll FOTM build try to fight 5 guys. Flame on forum because you died.

Pinja

Bandit1215 wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

ZOS has allready said if your being singled out by a mob you would die anyways. Your logic to why it should be dodgable is a pointless argument, this is tamriel not RL. It's not dodgable for the same reason that lighting and restore staves arent.

lol, your counter argument is invalid as those are heavy attacks that hardly deal any damage in the first place. Radiant Destruction hits harder, can be casted from farther, deals more damage, and can execute at a ridiculous amount of health so idk why you are comparing RD with heavy attacks.

Oh my how goli gi do I love that zenimax left me as a sorcerer with that no damage heavy attack as my main counter against evasion in all its forms. Which means obviously you guys are supposed to be invincible for using a base mechanic such as roll dodge... Because your supposed to be invincible for a whole 3sec against absolutely everything for hitting 1 button on PC.
There's a reason why this form of, interruptible, targeting exists, your complaining about the counter to a nearly broken mindless game mechanic that stops nearly every attack.
In any case they should have NPC Templars/menders use radiant in PvE, to help lower this elitest mentality for transfer zone noobs who don't understand their not going to get away with everything cyrodiil.