The Impenetrable Trait & Item Sets

daemonios

Transairion wrote: »

See that over there near the horizon? That's my point. You missed it

I'm not saying bad traits should drop in trials (in fact I've said in this thread they shouldn't drop in ANY end-game content). My post was in reply to someone talking about "deserving" something, and who, by extension, didn't give a rat's behind if others get half decent gear. I want the game to be attractive not just for me, who can put in the hours and have the guildies and friends to do 12-man trials with, but also for other people who can't invest as much time in the game. I'd be much happier if I could trade my trial gear with a casual player as well as other trial runners. Real life is plenty elitist, I'd rather my games be more inclusive.

I guess you missed my point pretty hard then, too.

ZOS doesn't care if you get "good traits" or not, they only care if you play the game: for that reason the RNG will ALWAYS favour non-Divine traits. It's nothing to do with Training or anything else, they're just easiest to place blame on, just like before Training existed it was the hilariously bad Sturdy. If Training is removed it'll be Well-Fitted. You'll be complaining about bad traits years from now anyway, it's not got nothing to do with "people getting half decent gear", there'll ALWAYS be a worst trait and you'll always be complaining about it when it drops. And the traits right now are leagues above what they used to be.

All they want is you to play the game, if you have run something 1000 times to get a Divines set they're happy because you're playing and your play means more $ for them: for that reason whatever is considered the best trait at the time will always be skewed into having a lower droprate, and certain sets will always be BoP rather than BoE so people have to run and re-run content to get a set instead of just shopping on the guild traders for a few minutes and calling it a day. That's just how it works, and will continue to work for ESO's lifetime I'm sure. It sucks but you can either deal with it and move on, or hope against hope something will change: given Training/Prosperous was opposed as soon as it hit PTS "cause me no likely that, Divines only plz" and were still added (we're now months past that, mind you) I'm going to say the chance they're just going to gutted out of the game completely is a big fat zero.


Honestly there's nothing elitist about liking certain traits and wanting them to available at max level (IE anything CP160 that isn't Trials), I think it's pretty scummy people want to remove traits and tell other people how to play a video game just because they don't like the drop they got. If people really hate them so much, ask for buffs or even for the droprates to be made more equal (since they're reportedly not 1/8) instead of killing diversity in the misguided belief you'll suddenly get more Divines and Impen out of thin air.

Removing the bottom of a pile doesn't make it have no bottom, whatever was above it becomes the bottom.

Still not what I was talking about, but let's leave it at that.

JodaGreyhame

Any update on this @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno?

Yolokin_Swagonborn

JodaGreyhame wrote: »

Any update on this @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno?

The only update I want to hear is that they have come to their senses are are adding Impenetrable for ALL Endgame gear drops and removing Training/Prosperous for ALL endgame gear drops. Anything less than that is an incomplete job. They should add nirnhoned too. That gives you 7 traits that drop and two that dont. Plenty of variety but all are actually useful in some way.

Everybody wins this way.

• ZOS still gets plenty of different traits to dilute the loot tables with
• Every trait that drops is as least combat effective in some way.
• PvE'ers that do trials and get impen BOE gear can sell it for tons of gold.
• PvP'ers will be encouraged to run trials which means more people are playing the game.

ZOS, make it so.

kadar

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

JodaGreyhame wrote: »

Any update on this @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno?

The only update I want to hear is that they have come to their senses are are adding Impenetrable for ALL Endgame gear drops and removing Training/Prosperous for ALL endgame gear drops. Anything less than that is an incomplete job. They should add nirnhoned too. That gives you 7 traits that drop and two that dont. Plenty of variety but all are actually useful in some way.

Everybody wins this way.

• ZOS still gets plenty of different traits to dilute the loot tables with
• Every trait that drops is as least combat effective in some way.
• PvE'ers that do trials and get impen BOE gear can sell it for tons of gold.
• PvP'ers will be encouraged to run trials which means more people are playing the game.
  

ZOS, make it so.

Ooooooh, good point^
Dedicated PVP-ers will drop all da gold to avoid having to do Trials, and the rest will actually run the Trials. Win-win.

UltimaJoe777

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

When is Nirnhoned joining the fray? Also when will Nirncrux be more widespread? Seriously why do we still HAVE Nirnhoned?!

Also why isn't Impenetrable in those tables?

We're working on some things for One Tamriel and Update 12 that will make Nirnhoned and Nirncrux more readily available than it is now. We'll share specifics after we put out the official Update 12 announcement.

We are not adding Impenetrable to the Trait loot tables at this time. We don't want to make our PVP community feel forced to run Trials – our most difficult PVE content – in order to remain competitive in Cyrodiil and Imperial City.

Fair enough @ Impenetrable and thanks for the info on Nirncrux!

Bakven

Remove Prosperous and Training from all endgame content. The Pledges/Trials, Maelstrom, DSA. Add Impen to all these.

Vythri

Prosperous and Training should be craftable only traits. Remove those traits from ALL dropped gear.

me_ming

just wondering, when or if this is going to happen?

how sad that ALL I've gotten today in the new vet dungeons are prosperous and divines. Not really funny, but nothing better to say than just lol-ing about it. >.<

Cinbri

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom can we get info now if tel var sets coming with sturdy? since dlc already launched

Lucky28

i really want scathing mage and Sheer venom in Impen.

Lilarna

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

There has been a longstanding request from some of our players to consider adding the Impenetrable Trait to item sets that drop from end-game PVE content. We’ve read arguments for and against making this change, and have discussed options among the team here. We’d like to share with you what we’re currently considering.

• Add Impenetrable as a valid Trait for all item sets in the game, regardless of where they drop
• Add Impenetrable as a valid Trait for all item sets in the game, except those that drop in Trials
• Remove Prosperous and Training as valid Traits from Trial item sets

Thoughts?

I would definitely find it great if ZOS went for :

• Add Impenetrable as a valid Trait for all item sets in the game, regardless of where they drop !
• Remove Prosperous and Training as valid traits for gear drops in : Dungeon (Normal and Veteran), Undaunted rewards, Trials, PVP rewards, as well as AP and Tel Var boxes.
• And why not add Nirnhoned as a valid trait for all item sets in the game, or for endgame drops, even if rare.

Contraptions

Suggestion to ZOS:

Please remove Prosperous and Training from dungeon drops as well.

Refuse2GrowUp

Have to agree with others:

1) Training and Prosperous NEVER should have been included in the loot cycle for end-game sets...especially trials and MSA sets!! Get rid of them, and whomever's idea it was to add them to the loot cycles.

2) IF removing Training and Prosperous from the loot cycles, then go ahead and add Impen. Even hardcore PvEers would accept one trait they could care less about if getting rid of two others. Seems a fair trade; and certainly benefits those who both PvE and PvP (and since in-group trading is now a thing, it is easier to help each other get the desired traits).

NOTE: YOUR THIRD OPTION ONLY MENTIONS REMOVING TRAINING AND PROSPEROUS FROM TRIALS. I CERTAINLY HOPE YOU MEANT TO SAY BOTH MAELSTROM ARENA AND TRIALS (WITH DSA BEING INCLUDED AS A TRIAL).

Jaronking

@ZOS_GinaBruno can we discuss getting training and Prosperous being removed from Dungeons drops the majority of posters in this thread and in game don't want them can we have them removed from their as well.Plus ads impen to the BOE gear in trials but not the BOP.

Refuse2GrowUp

Jaronking wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno can we discuss getting training and Prosperous being removed from Dungeons drops the majority of posters in this thread and in game don't want them can we have them removed from their as well.Plus ads impen to the BOE gear in trials but not the BOP.

BoP will still be tradable with group members via the in-group trading mechanism so it shouldn't hinder set farming, especially if they remove training and prosperous from the loot cycle. And with sets like VO being BoP (and whatever is in the SotH DLC) I would imagine that is part of the impen drive for PvPers.

Jaronking

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno can we discuss getting training and Prosperous being removed from Dungeons drops the majority of posters in this thread and in game don't want them can we have them removed from their as well.Plus ads impen to the BOE gear in trials but not the BOP.

BoP will still be tradable with group members via the in-group trading mechanism so it shouldn't hinder set farming, especially if they remove training and prosperous from the loot cycle. And with sets like VO being BoP (and whatever is in the SotH DLC) I would imagine that is part of the impen drive for PvPers.

I just want amperplasm in Impen

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno can we discuss getting training and Prosperous being removed from Dungeons drops the majority of posters in this thread and in game don't want them can we have them removed from their as well.Plus ads impen to the BOE gear in trials but not the BOP.

BoP will still be tradable with group members via the in-group trading mechanism so it shouldn't hinder set farming, especially if they remove training and prosperous from the loot cycle. And with sets like VO being BoP (and whatever is in the SotH DLC) I would imagine that is part of the impen drive for PvPers.

I know some many players on Xbox who just refused to do Dungeons now other than to help friends and guild mates its no point now.At least before you were able to get useful gear now their not point because not only do you not get useful gear the gear you do get is worthless,or crafted gear is better because the trait sucks.

Magus

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

There has been a longstanding request from some of our players to consider adding the Impenetrable Trait to item sets that drop from end-game PVE content. We’ve read arguments for and against making this change, and have discussed options among the team here. We’d like to share with you what we’re currently considering.

• Add Impenetrable as a valid Trait for all item sets in the game, regardless of where they drop
• Add Impenetrable as a valid Trait for all item sets in the game, except those that drop in Trials
• Remove Prosperous and Training as valid Traits from Trial item sets

Thoughts?

Impen valid for all drops anywhere, remove prosperous and training from all drops anywhere.

Or allow people to change traits if they have the trait researched and mats for it. This is better.

BadLuckCharm

I can't comment on Prosperous gear at end game, since i'm not there yet (been playing for just 2 weeks, now), but Training gear at end-game... just doesn't sound appealing at all. I'd far prefer getting gear with real combat-aiding traits.

Ankael07

Adding impenetrable isnt enough. Every trait should have equal drop rate unlike how prosperous and training seems to drop half of the time nowadays.

lardvader

JodaGreyhame wrote: »

Any update on this @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno?

Update 12

wolfxspice

i'm probably the hundredth one to say this, please remove prosperous/training from all drop loot, and add impen, like all of it, viper and skirmisher, would be great in impen, not so much in training.

thank you for starting this thread btw.

AgentofKhaoss

How about:

Add Impenetrable as a valid Trait for all item sets in the game, regardless of where they drop

AND

Remove Prosperous and Training as valid Traits from Trial item sets

MishMash

Yes, for end game PvP I am hopeful the decision is made to "remove" Prosperous and Training as valid Traits from Trial item sets. Impen please!

kevlarto_ESO

Please remove prosperous, training and exploration, from at least the cp160 armor, I bought boxes in the new capture towns out of the 12 I bought 2 had training and one had impen. I know there might be some lower levels that could make some benefit from training and exploration but after a certain level it is no longer needed. I got a monster helm form a dungeon run with training Since they are crafted traits they should be removed from drops all together.

We need options like being able to choose the trait we want or add something to crafters that lets them craft a one time trait change for armor.

Thanks for asking, looking forward to seeing what happens.

Jaronking

Bump

Necrelios

Add a re-trait station where we can give the item any trait we have currently researched for a modest fee and comparable crafting mats.

DRXHarbinger

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Have to agree with others:

1) Training and Prosperous NEVER should have been included in the loot cycle for end-game sets...especially trials and MSA sets!! Get rid of them, and whomever's idea it was to add them to the loot cycles.

2) IF removing Training and Prosperous from the loot cycles, then go ahead and add Impen. Even hardcore PvEers would accept one trait they could care less about if getting rid of two others. Seems a fair trade; and certainly benefits those who both PvE and PvP (and since in-group trading is now a thing, it is easier to help each other get the desired traits).

NOTE: YOUR THIRD OPTION ONLY MENTIONS REMOVING TRAINING AND PROSPEROUS FROM TRIALS. I CERTAINLY HOPE YOU MEANT TO SAY BOTH MAELSTROM ARENA AND TRIALS (WITH DSA BEING INCLUDED AS A TRIAL).

They don't drop in maelstrom anyway.

Jaronking

Well @ZOS_GinaBruno Can we at least have impen added to some of the VET MA sets.The hunt set will be a good set to run in PVP.Am sure the other sets would also be useful.

Sigtric

IMO Training and Prosperous should be removed from ALL looted cp160 set gear. If for some reason someone wants one of these they can obtain it through crafted sets.

Hazel_knox

Remove prosperous Completely remove it from the game, Make it better loot drop% or something, but gold is horrible, since most drops don't even drop in the form of gold, we make more selling gear than we ever will even with all Prosperous.