NA PC BWB: Third Times A Charm

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MopeyHat wrote: »

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You seem to be attempting to have a logical conversation and for that I commend you, however, you are both missing the point and seem to be a bit misguided about a few things.

I have lead a zerg before. I do not WANT to zerg.

I do not enjoy it & here are a few reasons why:
It isn't fun.
I have a decisive number advantage and mostly win based on that alone.
My team is all coordinating in voice chat giving us yet another advantage over the average player who just logs in and tries to pvp.
My ability to play the game, play my class, deploy tactics, etc are nullified by sheer numbers.
I do not have a chance to execute my "skill" as a player because we steam roll over everyone 24 vs 1.
Most of all and most importantly; I don't feel challenged. It's too easy. I don't grow as a player. I don't learn anything as a player.

This is the reason AD players are so easy to kill on the rare occasion that they are caught alone; they do not learn how to play because they are babied with number advantages every step of the way. How can you be good at the game when all you know is 24 vs 1ing people down?

In response to your "leadership" comments: The players you have mentioned are not good pvpers. They are not known by anyone to have any sort of skill or ability to win 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, small grp vs small grp, etc. The only discernible "skill" they have is the ability to download an addon to auto invite players who type "x" to a zerg then coordinate their zerg with other zergs to attack 1 location.

In response to your misguided view on fluctuating numbers: AD is the only faction that is population locked multiple times per week and at almost any hour of the day or night stays at 2-3bars of population (mostly 3). This hasn't just been recent weeks as I believe you said, it has been since I started playing and was the main reason I left AD shortly after I started. AD consistently holds the highest population and that is because there are more players who just want to win no matter what than actual pvpers who want to test their ability to fight other players on a somewhat level playing field.

There is a very distinct difference in the quality of players on the AD and DC faction. This is the reason DC often pulls campaign wins against the odds with the lesser population. We do have leadership and we do coordinate with each other. We do large scale pvp, but we do it with multiple smaller groups/solo players in sync with each other; not by throwing our whole faction at one objective 1 at a time.

Perhaps one day AD will learn to understand that large scale pvp does not = zerging. Zerging = zerging.

You (most of AD) want to stack the cards in your favor to guarantee a win.
We (most of DC) want to have fun playing some cards and if we win because we are good at the game... well that just makes it all the more enjoyable.

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Setana_Shial wrote: »

oh that wonderful defense at roe. 4 outer breaches and still couldn't take the courtyard. Was fun blues come again soon

I showed up for like 5mins then logged out. There was so much yellow that I couldn't even see the floor.

Valen_Byte

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Setana_Shial wrote: »

oh that wonderful defense at roe. 4 outer breaches and still couldn't take the courtyard. Was fun blues come again soon

I showed up for like 5mins then logged out. There was so much yellow that I couldn't even see the floor.

DC outnumbered us in Roe 2 to 1. We where splintered between 3 keeps. You wont believe me but...Ofc, I dont care.

dem0n1k

For the people posting here that have got Emperor in BWB .... how long per day do you have to play to be in with a shot ?

I am pretty casual & only play an hour or 2 per night ... but still interested to know

Freakquent

Anyone that paid money for the game can do anything that they want as long as isn't against the Terms and Agreements. Whether it is zerging, soloing, PVEing, or just doing your own thing around Tamriel. Nobody has any right to put others down if they choose to zerg or not, it's very childish and stupid. Can't take getting zerged down? Don't PVP. Can't take getting ganked by soloers? Don't PVP. It comes with the game.

ColoursYouHave

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Last night EP was attacking their own home keeps that AD was holding (for once) after failing to dethrone DC at Aleswell many many times despite the multi-faction zerging (nothing wrong with it during dethrone just pointing it out).

I see you tried to twist my point on google, however, anyone with common sense could simply click on them hits you suggested while searching "eso zergs are awesome" and see that 99.9% of them contain complaints about zergs or suggested fixes to mitigate the negative effects zergs have in not only ESO but every other MMO that fosters a PvP environment. Common sense friend.

I didn't realize Alessia was an EP home keep...

And yes, that's exactly my point. I didn't twist your point, I used your own logic to demonstrate how illogical your point is. Google hits only show things that have some combination of the words you search for. Using number of hits on a google search to support an argument only shows a lack of understanding on how internet searches work, or a willful attempt at twisting logic to spread misinformation.

DeadlyRecluse

dem0n1k wrote: »

For the people posting here that have got Emperor in BWB .... how long per day do you have to play to be in with a shot ?

I am pretty casual & only play an hour or 2 per night ... but still interested to know

6-18 hours, depending on who else is pushing emp that campaign and how good you are at making AP.

dem0n1k

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

dem0n1k wrote: »

For the people posting here that have got Emperor in BWB .... how long per day do you have to play to be in with a shot ?

I am pretty casual & only play an hour or 2 per night ... but still interested to know

6-18 hours, depending on who else is pushing emp that campaign and how good you are at making AP.

Eeek! Cheers for the reply DeadlyRecluse!

Frugal

Although Sora is the most toxic player i've ever encountered in my 2 years of playing this game, I gotta agree with him. Even if DC does the same thing at times, AD has this infuriating pop advantage that makes it easier for that faction to take keeps with less effort. I'm not saying AD players are not good at taking keeps. Just saying that if you throw numbers in mass it's gonna be easy no matter what.

And to address EP's behaviour, I can confirm a few things after playing EP only for a month. There's only 1 good aussie guild that does care about campaing and takes keeps back. Rest of the day is only pugs running groups trying to pvp however they can.

I, for one, don't care at all about campaing results. I have fun playing solo or in small groups. Sadly, it has gotten a lot more boring since usual group members see the map and its either yellow or blue and there's no room to do the usual pvp without having to ride thousands of miles to take a resource only to be overwhelmed by 3x the numbers AND siege.

Even more sadly, there's nothing to encourage people to roll EP because lowest pop at all times = always lose campaings.
If people here do encourage fighting against the odds and teaching people how to AvA, i'd suggest rolling EP toons and trying to even things out. My guild did it about 5 months ago and managed to win 1 campaing on EP after 2 weeks of tryharding.
BWB as of now is DC vs AD and will only get worse for EP since a lot of good players I know that refuse to roll AD or DC are moving to azuras.

TipsyDrow

Setana_Shial wrote: »

Yea Dixon I am not sure that Sora could pull his head out of his ass long enough to see anything but sh*t. I just laugh at his babbling and move on.

I understand that when you don't have the common sense to put dark flare and entropy on your bar as a templar and the S key is the only movement key you use, that you need to hide inside that zerg in order to be able to pvp at all without spending most of your time respawning. It's OK!! Play how you want!! But....stop misrepresenting yourself as a good player. You're not. Stop trying to justify zerging and bringing 3 24 man groups to take Bruma as skilled pvp, it's not. It is what it is, play how ya want. Just stop trying to convince anyone you're a good player. Mopey is a good player, talk to her maybe you'll learn something. There are only a few people in all of AD that do anything other then roll in full 24 man groups. As much as I completely despise Knight Blader at least they're not afraid to go do things in a 6 man group.

Curing the delusional in pvp games since 2001.
Liellanna.
*drops mic*

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If you didn't care then you wouldn't have mentioned it. I wasn't on long so perhaps what you say is true. I'm not sure what keeps you were split between though since the

dem0n1k wrote: »

For the people posting here that have got Emperor in BWB .... how long per day do you have to play to be in with a shot ?

I am pretty casual & only play an hour or 2 per night ... but still interested to know

It's not exactly how much time you dedicate, but what you do with that time. If you want to be emperor you need to be online at the time the campaign resets and go as hard as you can. When other aspiring emperors see someone has gotten such a massive AP lead on leaderboards this can and usually does cause them to not even try for emperor which greatly increases your chances. If your time is limited then be sure to play during prime pvp times when it's very active and you are able to gain a lot of AP (8pm-11pm est I find to be the most active). You will likely be playing an unhealthy amount of time daily so be rdy to have your wife/girlfriend give you the eye a few times lol. There are a lot of factors to consider (like some people don't have jobs, girlfriends, kids, or other RL obligations and literally play all day every day) so be rdy to play at least 6hrs a day while trying for emp imo.

Sreja_Bone

Salutary neglect, now that takes me back 30 years or so.

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Freakquent wrote: »

Anyone that paid money for the game can do anything that they want as long as isn't against the Terms and Agreements. Whether it is zerging, soloing, PVEing, or just doing your own thing around Tamriel. Nobody has any right to put others down if they choose to zerg or not, it's very childish and stupid. Can't take getting zerged down? Don't PVP. Can't take getting ganked by soloers? Don't PVP. It comes with the game.

I know closed minded people seem to think that the world is black and white, however, the "if you don't like it leave" attitude does not apply here & for the most part does not apply in the real world either. I will not be leaving the game because of AD's zergs, and I will not be leaving the thread because AD attempts to gang up on me here either. If you notice almost every (every but let's say almost to be fair) post in opposition to mine is from an AD player.

Putting all of that aside, you have come here in attempt to white knight the little zerglings & have said "putting others down because they zerg is childish and stupid", yet in your little paragraph you are putting me down because of my opinion. You have contradicted yourself and defeated yourself, however, I will also point out that the topic of AD zerging sprung from one of the AD zerglings attempting to put someone else down for swapping campaigns to avoid the zergs for a little while. I don't believe I need to say anything else. Good day sir.

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ColoursYouHave wrote: »

I didn't realize Alessia was an EP home keep...

And yes, that's exactly my point. I didn't twist your point, I used your own logic to demonstrate how illogical your point is. Google hits only show things that have some combination of the words you search for. Using number of hits on a google search to support an argument only shows a lack of understanding on how internet searches work, or a willful attempt at twisting logic to spread misinformation.

How about I simplify this for those who require it so. I'll give you a little assignment. Go through the first 100 or 1000 hits that google turns up when you type "eso" and "zerg" and tally up the results into two categories:

Hits that turn up positive things about zerging (example: players talking about why zerging is a good thing).

Hits that turn up negative things about zerging or proposed fixes/solutions to zerging.

Post your findings here. I already know you won't do this as I have done the research myself and 99% of what turns up are complaints about zerging, people fearing even playing eso because of the zerg issues, people questioning the lead pvp dev about zerging, people quitting due to zerging, the definition of zerging, etc. What doesn't turn up is people saying "Zerging is a good thing because....".

The number of hits was to be used as an example of how the plague of zerging negatively impacts every game out there. Perhaps I should have used a better example, however, I'd have though you would have gotten the point instead of attempting to dissect one detail because you lack the ability to support your argument so you decided to pick at one detail of mine.

Oh and regarding Alessia. EP did not attack Alessia during the many hours I was online for AD's attempt at dethroning, they attacked DC. Eventually after enough fails they moved on and attacked AD at BRK to take their home keep back. Perhaps after I went to sleep knowing that DC was all bottled up at Aleswell and AD took everything else, perhaps then they attacked Alessia. Seems logical considering they couldn't make any progress @ Aleswell, AD is winning the campaign by a lot, and AD has both of their scrolls.

Celestial_Rift

I know Britney, I think the same about this thread... (You'd only get it if you knew which video this was).

We did a structured 1vX practice the other day, but held it in Azura's. It was fun and provided a place for folks to practice their solo builds, etc.

Also I'm having fun trolling with my stam sorc + pets + werewolf + Morkuldin build... because you know... fun.

Anyway... taking bets on when this thread gets shut down.

Have a good day folks.

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Celestial_Rift wrote: »

taking bets on when this thread gets shut down.

Hope we're not back to every other post being the same few people doom and glooming about the thread being closed anytime people discuss things that they don't personally wish to discuss.

Besides, didn't you guys make a thread? Did it not take off?

Adenoma

Yeah, but everyone is bummed when it gets extremely toxic and we have to start another one.

Celestial_Rift

Self-reflection folks... Growth mindset... Tolerance with potential acceptance.

W0lf_z13

looking forward to next week.... having my first REAL vacation ( taking both jobs off ) in almost a year ...... SHOULD be close to if not AT max cp by the end of it .... only 91 cps to go

vamp_emily

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Comments like this WILL get the thread shut down. I am sure you will then say "DC got the thread shut down again". However, last time it was another AD member talking about other people that started the flame war.

I vote when this thread gets shut down we just make a thread for each alliance. Obviously we don't get along.

TipsyDrow

Adenoma wrote: »

Yeah, but everyone is bummed when it gets extremely toxic and we have to start another one.

If certain people wouldn't post absolute nonsense, a *** wouldn't have to come prancing in and sissy slap them back to reality. Life isn't all huggy huggy MUAH MUAH luvs YU!! Neither are games forums.

TOODLES!

Adenoma

Nice! That's a lot of CP grinding. I've just totally given up on vet - I don't want to invest in gear when the gear level cap will likely rise, and I don't want to grind more trials to replace the trials gear I've already got. Not to mention the idea of trying vMSA again... Instead I'll just keep zerging around BwB with you cool kids.

On a side note, I had my most fun 1v3 ever last night. Everyone I fought messaged me after and we all chatted about builds, etc. Then it turns out one of them applied to my med school so I got to give him the inside scoop!

W0lf_z13

i have yet to do msa/vma or any of the trials

Adenoma

Trials are kinda fun to me - they're a lot like small grouping in BwB because everyone's in TS and there's a lot of communication. vMSA sucks. I've had no fun experiences there.

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vamp_emily wrote: »

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Comments like this WILL get the thread shut down. I am sure you will then say "DC got the thread shut down again". However, last time it was another AD member talking about other people that started the flame war.

I vote when this thread gets shut down we just make a thread for each alliance. Obviously we don't get along.

(Assuming it was Setana's comment you are referring to)
Yeah that's why I didn't even respond, I just reported it. Like the last thread, another AD member going nuts with the personal attacks and forum violations while they complain about the thread being shut down.

Valen_Byte

For one, byte never ran over a 10 man group this entire week. We crowned 3 back to back family members. My son, my wife and myself. You tell me how we did that without strategies, tactics and a little skill.

Im not trying to say we are great players. In fact thats just my point. We are not the best. So we use tactics to achieve our goals.

Most of us are capable of seeing skill in our enemies and respecting them for that if nothing else. Some of us have come a long way and have developed at least a little mutual respect for one another. Some refuse to see anything but negativity and unfairness. Its time for the latter to grow up a bit.

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Valen_Byte wrote: »

For one, byte never ran over a 10 man group this entire week. We crowned 3 back to back family members. My son, my wife and myself. You tell me how we did that without strategies, tactics and a little skill.

Im not trying to say we are great players. In fact thats just my point. We are not the best. So we use tactics to achieve our goals.

Most of us are capable of seeing skill in our enemies and respecting them for that if nothing else. Some of us have come a long way and have developed at least a little mutual respect for one another. Some refuse to see anything but negativity and unfairness. Its time for the latter to grow up a bit.

You mean ONE of the MANY AD cliques well known for zerging everything to death with multiple 24man zergs CLAIM that they didn't run a group over 10 this week and that means that the MANY other AD zergs somehow disappeared and your 10 man group had enough "strategy" to crown 3 times (I guess we are ignoring the multiple AD pop locks this week?) right?

Respect is something that is earned. If you are only known as a mindless zerger, there is a reason for it. Please stop confusing overwhelming numbers with "strategy".

Since I have personally fought you 1 vs 1, 1 vs 2, 1 vs 3, 2 vs 4, and 2 vs 6 with the clips still sitting in my pvp folder, I have a pretty good idea of how "good" you are. Since I personally experienced the messages you sent me when I swapped from AD to DC, I have a pretty good idea of what type of person you are.

Would you care to share on the topic? Perhaps a little truth?

EdmundTowers

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ColoursYouHave wrote: »

I didn't realize Alessia was an EP home keep...

And yes, that's exactly my point. I didn't twist your point, I used your own logic to demonstrate how illogical your point is. Google hits only show things that have some combination of the words you search for. Using number of hits on a google search to support an argument only shows a lack of understanding on how internet searches work, or a willful attempt at twisting logic to spread misinformation.

How about I simplify this for those who require it so. I'll give you a little assignment. Go through the first 100 or 1000 hits that google turns up when you type "eso" and "zerg" and tally up the results into two categories:

Hits that turn up positive things about zerging (example: players talking about why zerging is a good thing).

Hits that turn up negative things about zerging or proposed fixes/solutions to zerging.

Post your findings here. I already know you won't do this as I have done the research myself and 99% of what turns up are complaints about zerging, people fearing even playing eso because of the zerg issues, people questioning the lead pvp dev about zerging, people quitting due to zerging, the definition of zerging, etc. What doesn't turn up is people saying "Zerging is a good thing because....".

The number of hits was to be used as an example of how the plague of zerging negatively impacts every game out there. Perhaps I should have used a better example, however, I'd have though you would have gotten the point instead of attempting to dissect one detail because you lack the ability to support your argument so you decided to pick at one detail of mine.

Oh and regarding Alessia. EP did not attack Alessia during the many hours I was online for AD's attempt at dethroning, they attacked DC. Eventually after enough fails they moved on and attacked AD at BRK to take their home keep back. Perhaps after I went to sleep knowing that DC was all bottled up at Aleswell and AD took everything else, perhaps then they attacked Alessia. Seems logical considering they couldn't make any progress @ Aleswell, AD is winning the campaign by a lot, and AD has both of their scrolls.

Actually, AD never had BRK on Saturday. Although we tried to take it after all the backstabs, we never got it.

When I logged on in the morning. DC had all the emp keeps and their emp was very active defending. It was 2 bar DC, 2 bar AD, 1 Bar EP at the time. We took back our keeps with a coordinated triple attack on roe, nik, and ash. You said before, that all we do is stack multiple groups on one keep. I guess you weren't around to see that.

Then EP logged on and started taking back their home keeps. While DC was busy defending that, we took all of DCs scrolls.

When it came time to dethrone DC at Aleswell, EP did their best to keep the DC emp going. They would backstab our siege lines, they would gank our reinforcements coming from Glade, and they would attack us on the other side of the map. They weren't interested in dethroning.

But whatever, we got it the next day. This was done by outmaneuvering the DC emp and all the DC camping Aleswell. We sent one group of 20+ to hit Glade and sent a smaller group of 10-12 to cap Bruma.

The 20+ group got wiped at Glade. Because you see, when you attack a keep, you have 2 walls and a ton of NPCs to get through. And you have to be fast because the entire enemy faction will be on you in 1-2 minutes (assuming they didn't just port in while you were setting up sieges). So yeah, they got the entire DC faction dropped on their heads at Glade, but in the meantime, the 2nd small group that took Bruma, flagged and took down the outer at empty Aleswell while the group that got wiped at Glade respawned at Bruma and joined the attack at Aleswell. DC and the emp tried to ride back to Aleswell but it was too late, we were already inside. Outmaneuvered. I'm sure DC and their emp would have preferred it if we simply stacked our 2 groups and attacked from the most obvious direction.

Anyways, everything you're complaining about, DC does it better when they have the numbers. Your leads practically lead through zone and have the entire faction hitting one spot. If you had a general complaint about the power of numbers, all right, that's one thing, but you constantly pointing the finger at AD is getting obnoxious.

Pics of the EP backstabs on Saturday night. Not complaining or whining about it. It was actually a good move on their part. Just to show it's not all DC against the world.

Valen_Byte

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Valen_Byte wrote: »

For one, byte never ran over a 10 man group this entire week. We crowned 3 back to back family members. My son, my wife and myself. You tell me how we did that without strategies, tactics and a little skill.

Im not trying to say we are great players. In fact thats just my point. We are not the best. So we use tactics to achieve our goals.

Most of us are capable of seeing skill in our enemies and respecting them for that if nothing else. Some of us have come a long way and have developed at least a little mutual respect for one another. Some refuse to see anything but negativity and unfairness. Its time for the latter to grow up a bit.

You mean ONE of the MANY AD cliques well known for zerging everything to death with multiple 24man zergs CLAIM that they didn't run a group over 10 this week and that means that the MANY other AD zergs somehow disappeared and your 10 man group had enough "strategy" to crown 3 times (I guess we are ignoring the multiple AD pop locks this week?) right?

Respect is something that is earned. If you are only known as a mindless zerger, there is a reason for it. Please stop confusing overwhelming numbers with "strategy".

Since I have personally fought you 1 vs 1, 1 vs 2, 1 vs 3, 2 vs 4, and 2 vs 6 with the clips still sitting in my pvp folder, I have a pretty good idea of how "good" you are. Since I personally experienced the messages you sent me when I swapped from AD to DC, I have a pretty good idea of what type of person you are.

Would you care to share on the topic? Perhaps a little truth?

Sure ill share the truth. The truth is one of my main leads left to start his own guild months ago and I have not ran a full group since. Just dont have the drive lately. Also he has done a great job of picking up the loose players and giving them a target.

As for me and you 1v1, 1v2 wgatever. Dont care. Sare your clips all you want.

Point is sora, I set my sights on getting emp this week and I did. Then I wanted to crown my wife and we did. Then I wanted to crown my son and did. Proof is in the puding buddy. So deny all you want. We royaly smoked you this week. Im sure DC will bring a better game next week. : ))

W0lf_z13

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Then I wanted to crown my son and did.

ur son plays? thats awesome that u guys have done a family thing