NA PC BWB: Third Times A Charm

Adenoma

But you need to grind that DK

Stridig

Adenoma wrote: »

But you need to grind that DK

Indeed. Stridig will rise and devour.

Setana_Shial

So why did I just kill Emily in Azura's?
Is that why BwB is dead right now, everyone ran there?

vamp_emily

Setana_Shial wrote: »

So why did I just kill Emily in Azura's?
Is that why BwB is dead right now, everyone ran there?

it was 1 bar vs 3 bars.. how fun is that.

Setana_Shial

I just find it funny how you chose to leave BwB where you have no advantage with buff to Azura's where you have all the buffs.

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Setana_Shial wrote: »

I just find it funny how you chose to leave BwB where you have no advantage with buff to Azura's where you have all the buffs.

I do the same thing sometimes when I'm trying to have fun as a solo/duo/small group player and the other faction won't budge without a 50-100+ man zerg to back them up. Nothing at all wrong with it.... Especially when the other faction keeps flipping the whole map while everyone is asleep then we gotta spend all day fighting an uphill battle against both factions since one of them never do anything useful or logical.

vamp_emily

Setana_Shial wrote: »

I just find it funny how you chose to leave BwB where you have no advantage with buff to Azura's where you have all the buffs.

I find it funny that you are worried about me. Not sure if you have been informed yet, but i have already told everyone I was going to be playing a lot more in AS until I get max CP., then I'm going to TF. ( I just got 160cp today ). Also just to let you know when you seen me I was actually headed to IC to grind stones. Someone said in chat that there was a lot of AD at Alessia farm so I stopped and helped my alliance.

Also just to let you know, I just started a guild called "Friendly Dungeon Runners" so you will be seeing me spend a lot of my time in dungeons grinding the best gear.

Furthermore, I'm playing my game not yours. Please don't worry about everything I do, just go have fun.

edit: Just in case you want to pay me a visit, i'm in BwB right now where we are still out numbers

Setana_Shial

There are people who play from all over the world on here, so we all get day/night capped. Zergs are a fact of life in ESO, the game was build for large scale fighting. Also therw are many more pugz then veteran players, so don't expect too much logic there Sora. I simply was making an observation about how many people choose to go for an easy fight rather then strengthen themselves by sticking at it when times are tough.

vamp_emily

Setana_Shial wrote: »

There are people who play from all over the world on here, so we all get day/night capped. Zergs are a fact of life in ESO, the game was build for large scale fighting. Also therw are many more pugz then veteran players, so don't expect too much logic there Sora. I simply was making an observation about how many people choose to go for an easy fight rather then strengthen themselves by sticking at it when times are tough.

So tell me Mr. Logic.. how many times have you seen me in AS when BwB needed me? 1 time in a year in a half? 2 times in a year in a half?

Should I bust out how many hours I have supported BwB? I don't go to AS just because there is a buff so you might want to stop thinking that.

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Setana_Shial wrote: »

There are people who play from all over the world on here, so we all get day/night capped. Zergs are a fact of life in ESO, the game was build for large scale fighting. Also therw are many more pugz then veteran players, so don't expect too much logic there Sora. I simply was making an observation about how many people choose to go for an easy fight rather then strengthen themselves by sticking at it when times are tough.

I really wouldn't talk about "going for an easy fight" considering the faction YOU play on and this game was not DESIGNED for zerging. If you look up many of the thousands of pvp videos on youtube, the majority are 1 v X, 2 v X, small group battles. There is a VERY large crowd of solo/small scale players. Just because your faction zergs everything to death doesn't mean everyone else wants to and again, there is nothing wrong with swapping campaigns to find somewhat "fair" or smaller scale pvp when your current campaign is infested with players who refuse to fight without a massive number advantage.

People play this game to have fun and while you might find it fun to win only based on numbers while preaching to those who occasionally swap campaigns to enjoy battles they can win based on their ability to pvp, many others don't.

There is nothing fun about doing everything you can, being on top of your game in gear and ability to play your class and execute strategy and tactics only to lose solely based on the fact that the other faction will not do ANYTHING without a large advantage in numbers.

I invite you to come try playing on DC. See what it's like to day in and day out fight against the odds. See what it's like to have all of the work you did on the map with strategy and tactical attacks against the odds while fighting both factions since EP refuses to attack AD 90% of the time outside of bridge battles between Sej and Alessia be nullified by sheer numbers overnight while you sleep.

Then try to fight them sheer numbers against the odds and dethrone the emperor while EP constantly attacks your home keeps instead of assisting with the dethrone only to see AD emp again overnight while you sleep then start over and repeat it all the next day.

After you've done that for a considerable amount of time, perhaps then you can comment on players wanting to take a break from it.

Better yet, try playing on EP where no one seems to have any common sense or mind for tactics. See what it's like playing on the least populated faction with almost no one running organized groups. I almost don't blame them for never wanting to fight AD because who wants to fight WAAAAAAY against the odds like that all the time when they can have more balanced pvp fighting DC while they fight AD.

Get a grip and stop preaching to others while playing on the easiest most zergy faction in the game.

Stridig

I feel like this is a familiar conversation. No matter what the scenario is, zergs and numbers are the topic when a faction has Emp. One of the reasons I left DC was the very high percentage of campaign wins compared to the other factions and how easily people forget when a new week rolls around. Oh well. Soon it will be this same complaint from another faction.

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Stridig wrote: »

I feel like this is a familiar conversation. No matter what the scenario is, zergs and numbers are the topic when a faction has Emp. One of the reasons I left DC was the very high percentage of campaign wins compared to the other factions and how easily people forget when a new week rolls around. Oh well. Soon it will be this same complaint from another faction.

The truth is always a "complaint" or "crying" in the eyes of those who intentionally shut them.

You wanna run to AD for easy-mode zerg pvp, good for you. AD wants to zerg everything to death, good for them. If I or anyone else wants to occasionally change campaigns to get away from the constantly mindless zerging, good for us.

Don't come here blabbering on about people swapping campaigns occasionally to actually pvp and you won't be told how nonsensical it is to do so.

Freakquent

this conversation is what got the last forum closed.

Adenoma

I still think that people that use lightning ballistas are crazy. Is the snare better than what an iceball treb or an oil catapault can do?

Stridig

ŞσƦѦ wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

I feel like this is a familiar conversation. No matter what the scenario is, zergs and numbers are the topic when a faction has Emp. One of the reasons I left DC was the very high percentage of campaign wins compared to the other factions and how easily people forget when a new week rolls around. Oh well. Soon it will be this same complaint from another faction.

The truth is always a "complaint" or "crying" in the eyes of those who intentionally shut them.

You wanna run to AD for easy-mode zerg pvp, good for you. AD wants to zerg everything to death, good for them. If I or anyone else wants to occasionally change campaigns to get away from the constantly mindless zerging, good for us.

Don't come here blabbering on about people swapping campaigns occasionally to actually pvp and you won't be told how nonsensical it is to do so.

I think you quoted the wrong person Sora. Either that or I'm reading your response wrong. I wasn't saying anything about complaining or crying. And I definitely wasn't blabbering about people swapping campaigns.

vamp_emily

Stridig wrote: »

I feel like this is a familiar conversation. No matter what the scenario is, zergs and numbers are the topic when a faction has Emp. One of the reasons I left DC was the very high percentage of campaign wins compared to the other factions and how easily people forget when a new week rolls around. Oh well. Soon it will be this same complaint from another faction.

Well to be honest with you I didn't say anything tonight about "numbers" until some person was all up in my business.

Lumsdenml

ŞσƦѦ wrote: »

Setana_Shial wrote: »

There are people who play from all over the world on here, so we all get day/night capped. Zergs are a fact of life in ESO, the game was build for large scale fighting. Also therw are many more pugz then veteran players, so don't expect too much logic there Sora. I simply was making an observation about how many people choose to go for an easy fight rather then strengthen themselves by sticking at it when times are tough.

I really wouldn't talk about "going for an easy fight" considering the faction YOU play on and this game was not DESIGNED for zerging. If you look up many of the thousands of pvp videos on youtube, the majority are 1 v X, 2 v X, small group battles. There is a VERY large crowd of solo/small scale players. Just because your faction zergs everything to death doesn't mean everyone else wants to and again, there is nothing wrong with swapping campaigns to find somewhat "fair" or smaller scale pvp when your current campaign is infested with players who refuse to fight without a massive number advantage.

People play this game to have fun and while you might find it fun to win only based on numbers while preaching to those who occasionally swap campaigns to enjoy battles they can win based on their ability to pvp, many others don't.

There is nothing fun about doing everything you can, being on top of your game in gear and ability to play your class and execute strategy and tactics only to lose solely based on the fact that the other faction will not do ANYTHING without a large advantage in numbers.

I invite you to come try playing on DC. See what it's like to day in and day out fight against the odds. See what it's like to have all of the work you did on the map with strategy and tactical attacks against the odds while fighting both factions since EP refuses to attack AD 90% of the time outside of bridge battles between Sej and Alessia be nullified by sheer numbers overnight while you sleep.

Then try to fight them sheer numbers against the odds and dethrone the emperor while EP constantly attacks your home keeps instead of assisting with the dethrone only to see AD emp again overnight while you sleep then start over and repeat it all the next day.

After you've done that for a considerable amount of time, perhaps then you can comment on players wanting to take a break from it.

Better yet, try playing on EP where no one seems to have any common sense or mind for tactics. See what it's like playing on the least populated faction with almost no one running organized groups. I almost don't blame them for never wanting to fight AD because who wants to fight WAAAAAAY against the odds like that all the time when they can have more balanced pvp fighting DC while they fight AD.

Get a grip and stop preaching to others while playing on the easiest most zergy faction in the game.

The last time I was in BWB, ad had emp and one keep, roe. Our guild went to roe for the dethrone and came upon a large force of dc beginning to siege. No one attacked dc, but they turned and attacked us. We sold there... Blocking only... They continued attacking at wiped us. Tried whispering asking them not to attack, we were helping with the dethrone. We rode over to roe again and again were attacked by dc and wiped. Then dc flagged chal.... Ep owned chal....

My point being, there are 1,000s of people in all three factions. There are people in all factions that either don't know or don't care about strategy.

And also, cyrodiil is a war. Not a small skirmish. The most effective way to advance your faction to the goal of emp is to gather numbers and take territory... Just like real war. If cyrodiil was designed for small battles, there would be two keeps that are easy to take by a 2 man team.

And with that I will not comment on this again... I want to keep this thread alive...

So... How about them ice trebs?

Valen_Byte

Adenoma wrote: »

I still think that people that use lightning ballistas are crazy. Is the snare better than what an iceball treb or an oil catapault can do?

Its not the snare. It drains mag too right? or am I thinking of something else.

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Stridig wrote: »

I think you quoted the wrong person Sora. Either that or I'm reading your response wrong. I wasn't saying anything about complaining or crying. And I definitely wasn't blabbering about people swapping campaigns.

I figured since you commented on the topic you would have in turn read the previous comments. Forgive me. What started the current conversation was an AD player attempting to scorn another for swapping campaigns for a short period of time. My response was to both of you.

Lumsdenml

Adenoma wrote: »

I still think that people that use lightning ballistas are crazy. Is the snare better than what an iceball treb or an oil catapault can do?

My understanding is that lightning ballistas do not snare, they decrease magica.

Setana_Shial

Stridig wrote: »

I feel like this is a familiar conversation. No matter what the scenario is, zergs and numbers are the topic when a faction has Emp. One of the reasons I left DC was the very high percentage of campaign wins compared to the other factions and how easily people forget when a new week rolls around. Oh well. Soon it will be this same complaint from another faction.

I like what you said here. Everyone does complain about zergs and things being "unfair". Also I will log on to BwB next week and we will loose by 1500 points to blue. New week new winner.
Much of what Sora said is true. I believe That everyone has experienced looseing a map do to a zerg and everyone here blames another faction of zerging. Perhaps maybe that is because all factions zerg. AD, DC, EP, that is the one thing we all have in common.
Oh and Have you taken a defended keep solo Sora, if so please post it as proof that this pvp was meant for solo play.

Freakquent

Adenoma wrote: »

I still think that people that use lightning ballistas are crazy. Is the snare better than what an iceball treb or an oil catapault can do?

I was always told that oil catapults decreased stamina regeneration, and lightning did the same but w/ magicka? not quite sure, i use none of them. I prefer coldfire ballistas

Lumsdenml

Setana_Shial wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

I feel like this is a familiar conversation. No matter what the scenario is, zergs and numbers are the topic when a faction has Emp. One of the reasons I left DC was the very high percentage of campaign wins compared to the other factions and how easily people forget when a new week rolls around. Oh well. Soon it will be this same complaint from another faction.

I like what you said here. Everyone does complain about zergs and things being "unfair". Also I will log on to BwB next week and we will loose by 1500 points to blue. New week new winner.
Much of what Sora said is true. I believe That everyone has experienced looseing a map do to a zerg and everyone here blames another faction of zerging. Perhaps maybe that is because all factions zerg. AD, DC, EP, that is the one thing we all have in common.
Oh and Have you taken a defended keep solo Sora, if so please post it as proof that this pvp was meant for solo play.

I suppose ep zergs but is has been so long since there were enough people on ep to zerg I forget....

Stridig

Apologies to the BwB community. In no way are my comments in this thread meant to be taken personally. I try to contribute to the conversation from my perspective based on my experiences. I'm but only a scrub.

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Lumsdenml wrote: »

The last time I was in BWB, ad had emp and one keep, roe. Our guild went to roe for the dethrone and came upon a large force of dc beginning to siege. No one attacked dc, but they turned and attacked us. We sold there... Blocking only... They continued attacking at wiped us. Tried whispering asking them not to attack, we were helping with the dethrone. We rode over to roe again and again were attacked by dc and wiped. Then dc flagged chal.... Ep owned chal....

My point being, there are 1,000s of people in all three factions. There are people in all factions that either don't know or don't care about strategy.

And also, cyrodiil is a war. Not a small skirmish. The most effective way to advance your faction to the goal of emp is to gather numbers and take territory... Just like real war. If cyrodiil was designed for small battles, there would be two keeps that are easy to take by a 2 man team.

And with that I will not comment on this again... I want to keep this thread alive...

So... How about them ice trebs?

Yup depending on who is online and what happened the previous day, what the current situation is, etc can contribute to what you perceive is going on but when the same thing happens the majority of the time, that is a pattern that can be anticipated. I'm sure random DC players may attack EP during AD dethrones etc but EP consistently (perhaps inadvertently) prevents DC from dethroning AD. As I said in previous posts, I almost don't blame them for reasons described within previous posts, however, there is no denying that it happens more often than not.

As far as Cyrodiil goes, there can be large scale pvp without zergs. ZoS has CLEARLY stated that they are doing things to mitigate the affect that zergs have on Cyrodiil. Off the top of my head, they increased AP gain of smaller scale pvp, introduced proxy det to help combat zergs, introduced vicious death to help combat zergs, etc. A simple google search with "eso zerg issue" or anything to do with eso and zerg will turn up countless pages of complaints and suggested fixes to zerging, ZoS official statements on zerging, etc.

Zerging is a very big issue since the dawn of pvp both on the server load and quality of life within the game.

As I have said MANY times in reference to comments about war: War is NOT fun. People play the game to have fun. It is not fun to have little to no chance of winning because the other faction simply has far more people and will not separate them people to enjoy a more fair balanced pvp experience because winning is all that matters to them, not having fun.

It is not fun for me to run a 24 man zerg into players 1 at a time. I am not at all challenged and I will never improve as a player by doing so. You may find it fun and that's all fine and well but the pvp community recognizes the issues and has ever since Ultima Online and EverQuest 1 pvp.

Setana_Shial

Sora if you want fair pvp go play checkers

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Setana_Shial wrote: »

Sora if you want fair pvp go play checkers

I prefer chess. I'll stick it out though until battlegrounds come out, then the zerglings can have Cyrodiil all to themselves!

Setana_Shial

ŞσƦѦ wrote: »

Setana_Shial wrote: »

Sora if you want fair pvp go play checkers

I prefer chess. I'll stick it out though until battlegrounds come out, then the zerglings can have Cyrodiil all to themselves!

Ah good chess. Chess is much better.

Reverb

I've been playing EP in bwb a bit lately. It's painful.

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Reverb wrote: »

I've been playing EP in bwb a bit lately. It's painful.

I've heard many horror stories about the lack of groups, coordination, and cohesion within the faction. That coupled with the fact that EP is the least populated has got to hurt lol.