*Text Chat, Hair Styles, Dyeable Costumes - Announced with new DLC and more!*

Abeille

MornaBaine wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

Am i the only one who doesnt see "Dyeable Costumes"? I would love to have this, just dont see mention of it.

Last part, @Ritzey01

"We'll be discussing some of Update 11's additional features at a later date, including new motifs, new item sets, improved facial effects, the ability to dye costumes, and as always, many changes and improvements to existing content. Watch for additional information on our website and social channels, and get ready to join us on the test server (PTS) soon!"

But will they bring back all the costumes I didn't buy because I didn't like the colors they were originally??? Also, how is this costume dyeing going to work? Will we be able to use the dye station as we do with armor and the lootable clothing? Or are we going to get ganked in the cash shop and be forced to buy special dyes to apply to the costumes? I wonder because of the "consumable dye packs" that have been datamined and shown here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/270043/data-mining-icons-items-including-db-update-additions/p1

I hope so. I admit that I bought some costumes I hated before because I was afraid that this would happen - that they would let me dye them but not bring them back to the store. The Breton High dress comes to mind (I never remember the name... The big purple one). But it would be only fair to bring them back.

And I wouldn't get my hopes up for costumes being dyable in the dye stations. I, too, think we will need to buy consumable dye packs. And I do not expect to have much control on it - the dye packs might change them to pre-selected color schemes, but this is just speculation. Honestly, this is double-dipping for me, especially when they sell colorless stuff like the two hats that I imagine they released with dyeing costumes in mind. But I'll wait and see.

lordrichter wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Or are we going to get ganked in the cash shop and be forced to buy special dyes to apply to the costumes? I wonder because of the "consumable dye packs" that have been datamined and shown here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/270043/data-mining-icons-items-including-db-update-additions/p1

I suspect that we will have to buy Crown dye packs.

I also suspect that management is kicking themselves for introducing free dye stations before they went B2P. Have any new dyes come out since then? Dyes are perfect for the Crown Store, and yet another way to wiggle their hand into our pockets.

New dyes did come out, the latest one being the Viridian Green for discovering every trait of every poison ingredient, added with the DB base game patch.

Cazzy

I agree that dyes will probably be purchased and used on the costumes. One time use, set colours. That's my guess.

Abeille

Cazzy wrote: »

I agree that dyes will probably be purchased and used on the costumes. One time use, set colours. That's my guess.

One-time use... That's going to hurt, but I think you are right. The best thing ever would be that consuming a dye pack would unlock that color scheme for all your costumes, forever, and you would be able to use any unlocked color schemes (including the original) at any time. But that is just wishful thinking

Molag_Crow

I do hope there's some new, realistic-looking long hair coming with this update

Rev Rielle

Thornen wrote: »

Barber shop crown store exclusive...sigh.

Oh? If so, I'm disappointed about this too. I was hoping they would do something like The Secret World did. That game does so much right... Oh well.

Molag_Crow

Can't wait til my Altmer gets a new funky hairstyle

Mojmir

Oh the complaints of clipping (no pun intended) hairstyles and armor will ensue!!!

ListerJMC

I had a thought... I'm assuming the answer is no but will we be able to dye weapons as well as costumes? Or will red and green weapons be changed to a more reasonable colour scheme so they don't clash horribly with everything?

mike_de

bedlom wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

So... the actual DLC is just 2 dungeons?

As much as I'm looking forward to playing with new appearances, am I the only one thinking that 2 dungeons seems a little thin for a DLC?

I think it atrocious. Not to mention the barbershop being all crown store based.

So, as a matter of fact, it adds nothing to the base game. And even starts splitting the PvE party playing user base, beginning with this group Dungeon only DLC.

Eye candy, only available from their greed shop, instead of long overdue bug fixing and performance optimization . Fits.

Maybe I read things the other way than normal players. I am too cynical.

MornaBaine

lordrichter wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Or are we going to get ganked in the cash shop and be forced to buy special dyes to apply to the costumes? I wonder because of the "consumable dye packs" that have been datamined and shown here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/270043/data-mining-icons-items-including-db-update-additions/p1

I suspect that we will have to buy Crown dye packs.

I also suspect that management is kicking themselves for introducing free dye stations before they went B2P. Have any new dyes come out since then? Dyes are perfect for the Crown Store, and yet another way to wiggle their hand into our pockets.

I really dislike the idea of having to pay twice for something. Seriously ZOS, don't do that to us.

Circuitous

lordrichter wrote: »

Circuitous wrote: »

In truth, I feel the only reason to use a "token" at all is because you intend to make it available piecemeal through multiple currencies. Buy a bundle of tokens (with Crowns, gold, or a mix), then spend them on the different aspects of character creation. It doesn't make much sense to use a token system at all if it's an all-or-nothing deal anyway, other than an arbitrary level of obfuscation (always a possibility with MMO developers, but I'm trying to be cautiously optimistic).

Anyway, that's that. We'll know soon.

They have previously stated that they don't want what you are suggesting with Tokens. That does not mean they won't, but it does indicate that they probably won't.

The reason to use Tokens is because we cannot spend Crowns directly in the game. They don't want that. This is why we cannot go to any merchant and just buy "Crown" stuff with Crowns. This is why you have to go to the Crown Store to buy Mimic Stones. This is why you cannot purchase Crown mounts from stables. This is why you cannot walk up to your friendly neighborhood Werewolf or Vampire and pay Crowns for a bite. The tokens are the exchange between Crowns and the service you want, in this case, character re-customization. They could have used "Scrolls" or "Potions" or even some food item.

Last, we can spend in-game currency directly. We don't need to buy Tokens. We can respec Attributes and Skills by spending gold directly, we do not need to buy a Scroll like the Crown people do.

I think you misunderstood me, though I did write that post in small pieces over the course of a few hours, so maybe I was just hard to understand.

What I mean is that if the barbershop were gold-only OR Crowns-only, it would simply be an option in an appropriate menu to buy it for that particular currency. An NPC for gold, the Crown Store for Crowns. There would be no reason to use Tokens, other than to allow them to be purchased either way and then used in one place. This is why I believe it will be an option for both currencies.

Abeille wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

I agree that dyes will probably be purchased and used on the costumes. One time use, set colours. That's my guess.

One-time use... That's going to hurt, but I think you are right. The best thing ever would be that consuming a dye pack would unlock that color scheme for all your costumes, forever, and you would be able to use any unlocked color schemes (including the original) at any time. But that is just wishful thinking

Making it an unlock in the customization menu that you can swap between freely would be the best way to do it. More consumer trust, and they can reasonably charge a higher price for it. Here's hoping.

mike_de wrote: »

bedlom wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

So... the actual DLC is just 2 dungeons?

As much as I'm looking forward to playing with new appearances, am I the only one thinking that 2 dungeons seems a little thin for a DLC?

I think it atrocious. Not to mention the barbershop being all crown store based.

So, as a matter of fact, it adds nothing to the base game. And even starts splitting the PvE party playing user base, beginning with this group Dungeon only DLC.

Eye candy, only available from their greed shop, instead of long overdue bug fixing and performance optimization . Fits.

Maybe I read things the other way than normal players. I am too cynical.

This has to get said a lot, but I'll repeat it anyway. They have modelers and texture artists on staff whose only job is to churn out new models. Those people are the ones who make the eye candy. They're not the ones who fix bugs - that team is working at the same pace regardless of how much eye candy is being made.

Cazzy

ListerJMC wrote: »

I had a thought... I'm assuming the answer is no but will we be able to dye weapons as well as costumes? Or will red and green weapons be changed to a more reasonable colour scheme so they don't clash horribly with everything?

No mention of weapon dyeing, unfortunately.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Cazzy wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

I had a thought... I'm assuming the answer is no but will we be able to dye weapons as well as costumes? Or will red and green weapons be changed to a more reasonable colour scheme so they don't clash horribly with everything?

No mention of weapon dyeing, unfortunately.

Hey! Sparkling ruby weapons go with everything!

Cazzy

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

I had a thought... I'm assuming the answer is no but will we be able to dye weapons as well as costumes? Or will red and green weapons be changed to a more reasonable colour scheme so they don't clash horribly with everything?

No mention of weapon dyeing, unfortunately.

Hey! Sparkling ruby weapons go with everything!

But my eyes are blue. I need white steel!

Blackbird71

Circuitous wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Circuitous wrote: »

In truth, I feel the only reason to use a "token" at all is because you intend to make it available piecemeal through multiple currencies. Buy a bundle of tokens (with Crowns, gold, or a mix), then spend them on the different aspects of character creation. It doesn't make much sense to use a token system at all if it's an all-or-nothing deal anyway, other than an arbitrary level of obfuscation (always a possibility with MMO developers, but I'm trying to be cautiously optimistic).

Anyway, that's that. We'll know soon.

They have previously stated that they don't want what you are suggesting with Tokens. That does not mean they won't, but it does indicate that they probably won't.

The reason to use Tokens is because we cannot spend Crowns directly in the game. They don't want that. This is why we cannot go to any merchant and just buy "Crown" stuff with Crowns. This is why you have to go to the Crown Store to buy Mimic Stones. This is why you cannot purchase Crown mounts from stables. This is why you cannot walk up to your friendly neighborhood Werewolf or Vampire and pay Crowns for a bite. The tokens are the exchange between Crowns and the service you want, in this case, character re-customization. They could have used "Scrolls" or "Potions" or even some food item.

Last, we can spend in-game currency directly. We don't need to buy Tokens. We can respec Attributes and Skills by spending gold directly, we do not need to buy a Scroll like the Crown people do.

I think you misunderstood me, though I did write that post in small pieces over the course of a few hours, so maybe I was just hard to understand.

What I mean is that if the barbershop were gold-only OR Crowns-only, it would simply be an option in an appropriate menu to buy it for that particular currency. An NPC for gold, the Crown Store for Crowns. There would be no reason to use Tokens, other than to allow them to be purchased either way and then used in one place. This is why I believe it will be an option for both currencies.

Abeille wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

I agree that dyes will probably be purchased and used on the costumes. One time use, set colours. That's my guess.

One-time use... That's going to hurt, but I think you are right. The best thing ever would be that consuming a dye pack would unlock that color scheme for all your costumes, forever, and you would be able to use any unlocked color schemes (including the original) at any time. But that is just wishful thinking

Making it an unlock in the customization menu that you can swap between freely would be the best way to do it. More consumer trust, and they can reasonably charge a higher price for it. Here's hoping.

mike_de wrote: »

bedlom wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

So... the actual DLC is just 2 dungeons?

As much as I'm looking forward to playing with new appearances, am I the only one thinking that 2 dungeons seems a little thin for a DLC?

I think it atrocious. Not to mention the barbershop being all crown store based.

So, as a matter of fact, it adds nothing to the base game. And even starts splitting the PvE party playing user base, beginning with this group Dungeon only DLC.

Eye candy, only available from their greed shop, instead of long overdue bug fixing and performance optimization . Fits.

Maybe I read things the other way than normal players. I am too cynical.

This has to get said a lot, but I'll repeat it anyway. They have modelers and texture artists on staff whose only job is to churn out new models. Those people are the ones who make the eye candy. They're not the ones who fix bugs - that team is working at the same pace regardless of how much eye candy is being made.

While I'll agree with your basic premise on the division of labor within the company, I also have to point out that there are long-standing issues with textures and models that also need attention. In many cases, these issues have been identified, acknowledged by ZOS, fixes have been promised, then nothing delivered but silence for months. That ZOS continues to churn out new models and textures (many which suffer from the same problems they said they would fix) without even communication on the status of promised fixes is rather disturbing.

Case in point:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257543/important-update-zos-please-reconsider-your-decision-to-no-longer-make-female-light-armor/p1

KitLightning

Are you tired of your current look?

Will there be an option to save the current look of a character, and load it on any character, later?