Eidetic Memory Bugs/Comments/Help

virtus753

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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7993364#Comment_7993364

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Orakel_von_Tamriel

unfortunately, i didn't read two tot clues on my main. has anyone tried to see if you can get the entry with the weekly ones from the endless archive afterwards?

Djennku

Orakel_von_Tamriel wrote: »

unfortunately, i didn't read two tot clues on my main. has anyone tried to see if you can get the entry with the weekly ones from the endless archive afterwards?

If you already own the upgrade, you can't purchase the clue from ool.

Orakel_von_Tamriel

I am still missing books from summerset

- Lirendel's Family Shrine
- Naliara's Notes, Day 2
- Naliara's Notes, Day 8

is a post-quest location known in the meantime?

fall0athboy

Lorebooks add-on updated today.

Daniel141182

Still no show on the 6 missing books right?

Djennku

Daniel141182 wrote: »

Still no show on the 6 missing books right?

As far as I know, no one has reported them yet.

Orakel_von_Tamriel

Orakel_von_Tamriel wrote: »

I am still missing books from summerset

- Lirendel's Family Shrine
- Naliara's Notes, Day 2
- Naliara's Notes, Day 8

is a post-quest location known in the meantime?

any idea?

GeneralEU

Orakel_von_Tamriel wrote: »

Orakel_von_Tamriel wrote: »

I am still missing books from summerset

- Lirendel's Family Shrine
- Naliara's Notes, Day 2
- Naliara's Notes, Day 8

is a post-quest location known in the meantime?

any idea?

It looks like there is no post-quest location.

BradTheNord

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Apocryphal Pages:
1) Ilasaba's Excuses
2) Onri Murien's Hidden Wishes
3) The Curse of Blackscale Island *
4) Zeirinia's Silent Admission
* this book was known before Update39, but it became unknown and impossible to read after that patch for people who has already done the related quest

Telvanni Tomes
1) Closed by Order of the Abbot
2) Communications Between Nilphas and Thorin

Those books are bugged from the beginning, except "The Curse of Blackscale Island" that became bugged because the devs changed its cataloguing.[/quote]

Also Mud Covered letter ! There is no post quest location.

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MreeBiPolar

I've been putting off running (or even starting) the Necrom main quest because lorebooks, and thinking of finally doing it now.

Are there any books still bugged/unobtainable, and what are any missable ones?

MreeBiPolar

virtus753 wrote: »

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

Djennku wrote: »

From another thread, one of the devs said that you need to know the eidetic memory book to be able to collect the furnishing.

Please can you link this thread ?
My opinion is that 6 books are bugged, so nobody is able to know those books, because most of them are not present in the game.
Just one of them is bugged only for the unlucky people who have already done the related quest when that book was recataloged from ZOS.
I think that if one of us could find and grab it... we can go and read it in his own house.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7993364#Comment_7993364

Apparently, at the very least, The Curse of Blackscale Island is obtainable as a placeable copy, because it is one of the books in uesp list that has coordinates matching to the Forsaken Stronghold home in Bangkorai. (At least other two being Song of Fate and Uluscant's Manifesto.)

Now the question is, how exactly do you obtain it. Can you find it in a random chest if you have already read it, and do you need to do it on the same character you read it on, and do you need to have Eidetic unlocked?

Djennku

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

Djennku wrote: »

From another thread, one of the devs said that you need to know the eidetic memory book to be able to collect the furnishing.

Please can you link this thread ?
My opinion is that 6 books are bugged, so nobody is able to know those books, because most of them are not present in the game.
Just one of them is bugged only for the unlucky people who have already done the related quest when that book was recataloged from ZOS.
I think that if one of us could find and grab it... we can go and read it in his own house.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7993364#Comment_7993364

Apparently, at the very least, The Curse of Blackscale Island is obtainable as a placeable copy, because it is one of the books in uesp list that has coordinates matching to the Forsaken Stronghold home in Bangkorai. (At least other two being Song of Fate and Uluscant's Manifesto.)

Now the question is, how exactly do you obtain it. Can you find it in a random chest if you have already read it, and do you need to do it on the same character you read it on, and do you need to have Eidetic unlocked?

Yes

MreeBiPolar

Djennku wrote: »

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

Now the question is, how exactly do you obtain it. Can you find it in a random chest if you have already read it, and do you need to do it on the same character you read it on, and do you need to have Eidetic unlocked?

Yes

Yes to which of the three?

Edit: clarification:

1) Can you find it in a random chest, or only in treasure map chests? (There are some posts stating the latter.)
2) Can you find it on any character once the book has been read on any, or only on those who actually read it?
3) Do you need to have Eidetic Memory unlocked (i.e., Mages' Guild questline finished) on the active character to find it?

Djennku

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

Djennku wrote: »

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

Now the question is, how exactly do you obtain it. Can you find it in a random chest if you have already read it, and do you need to do it on the same character you read it on, and do you need to have Eidetic unlocked?

Yes

Yes to which of the three?

Edit: clarification:

1) Can you find it in a random chest, or only in treasure map chests? (There are some posts stating the latter.)
2) Can you find it on any character once the book has been read on any, or only on those who actually read it?
3) Do you need to have Eidetic Memory unlocked (i.e., Mages' Guild questline finished) on the active character to find it?

1. You're asking about a book in the archive, right? Think about it. How do you get furnishing books in the archive?

2. This has been discussed in earlier posts in this thread, but in case you missed them, you need to know the lorebook on your active character to pickup the furnishing.

3. Already answered.

Also, you are not able to learn lorebooks from furnishings, with the exceptions of companion letters, as that's how you learn them in the first place.

jle30303

Hm? I remember at least one lorebook was learnable from a furnishing - that's how I got the "Tale of the Dauntless Bananas" on my non-AD characters, before it was given a second placement outside the AD-restricted area of Cyrodiil. Someone placed it as a furnishing and provided a link to visit their house.

So is it possible to get the Blackscale Island book for eidetic this way, by reading it as a furnishing in *someone else's* house?

virtus753

I know that Shalidor’s Library books cannot be read for credit (meaning they won’t improve your Mages Guild rank or count towards Mora’s Whispers) if you read the printed copies as furnishings in a house. Those may be a special case, though.

I have not tried regular Eidetic Memory book furnishings for lore library credit, as all the ones I’ve seen as furnishings I have already had on that character, but I know that reading them does count as reading lorebooks for the daily endeavor. Porting to my house and clicking twice on Pelinal’s Volume Whatever quickly finishes that endeavor.

If it does count, it will be a (very chancy and time-consuming) workaround for some titles, but it will not solve the problem that some lorebooks are simply unobtainable in the game full stop, so no one could possibly get them as furnishings in the first place.

Orakel_von_Tamriel

GeneralEU wrote: »

Orakel_von_Tamriel wrote: »

Orakel_von_Tamriel wrote: »

I am still missing books from summerset

- Lirendel's Family Shrine
- Naliara's Notes, Day 2
- Naliara's Notes, Day 8

is a post-quest location known in the meantime?

any idea?

It looks like there is no post-quest location.

has a cross-account collection for eidetic memory (= excluding crafting styles and shalidor's library) ever been discussed in the forum?

the chapter "summerset" was released more than 5 years ago but still not all post-quest-locations (see comment) have been implemented in the game... it would also solve the problem with the tot clues, which you can collect with the wrong character and can't get afterwards with your main... also subsequently introduced books like "The Curse of Blackscale Island" become accessible...

if zos were interested in the eidetic memory, the books wouldn't be partially bugged for years... unfortunately this is the case, which is why i'm thinking about this approach first...

with this approach, the bugged books could be collected within a few minutes with a second character.

the size and number of posts about eidetic memory show that it is definitely an issue in the community. please listen to our voices for once...

@ZOS_GinaBruno

MreeBiPolar

Djennku wrote: »

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

Djennku wrote: »

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

Now the question is, how exactly do you obtain it. Can you find it in a random chest if you have already read it, and do you need to do it on the same character you read it on, and do you need to have Eidetic unlocked?

Yes

Yes to which of the three?

Edit: clarification:

1) Can you find it in a random chest, or only in treasure map chests? (There are some posts stating the latter.)
2) Can you find it on any character once the book has been read on any, or only on those who actually read it?
3) Do you need to have Eidetic Memory unlocked (i.e., Mages' Guild questline finished) on the active character to find it?

1. You're asking about a book in the archive, right?

Nope. I am asking about the overland furnishing drops.

Djennku wrote: »

2. This has been discussed in earlier posts in this thread, but in case you missed them, you need to know the lorebook on your active character to pickup the furnishing.

Is it confirmed? Because frankly, there are a few threads (including the one linked above) claiming otherwise.

Djennku wrote: »

3. Already answered.

It... Wasn't. Just wasn't. At all. Much less, confirmed.

Djennku wrote: »

Also, you are not able to learn lorebooks from furnishings, with the exceptions of companion letters, as that's how you learn them in the first place.

Dead wrong. You can at the very least learn that Cyrodiil book, and it was until some point the ONLY way you could learn it on NA or consoles. Unless you mean the Shalidor's Library lorebooks, which no one really cares about that much, they are hella easy to complete.

virtus753

Orakel_von_Tamriel wrote: »

GeneralEU wrote: »

Orakel_von_Tamriel wrote: »

Orakel_von_Tamriel wrote: »

I am still missing books from summerset

- Lirendel's Family Shrine
- Naliara's Notes, Day 2
- Naliara's Notes, Day 8

is a post-quest location known in the meantime?

any idea?

It looks like there is no post-quest location.

has a cross-account collection for eidetic memory (= excluding crafting styles and shalidor's library) ever been discussed in the forum?

the chapter "summerset" was released more than 5 years ago but still not all post-quest-locations (see comment) have been implemented in the game... it would also solve the problem with the tot clues, which you can collect with the wrong character and can't get afterwards with your main... also subsequently introduced books like "The Curse of Blackscale Island" become accessible...

if zos were interested in the eidetic memory, the books wouldn't be partially bugged for years... unfortunately this is the case, which is why i'm thinking about this approach first...

with this approach, the bugged books could be collected within a few minutes with a second character.

the size and number of posts about eidetic memory show that it is definitely an issue in the community. please listen to our voices for once...

@ZOS_GinaBruno

It has been proposed, and it would help many problems but not all. So yes it would be a great thing, but it’s not a silver bullet.

For example, what if you got a ToT clue and dug it up without reading it? Now you can’t get the clue again and none of your characters has it, so account-wide EM doesn’t help. For that I think they should consider adding something akin to the Impresario’s Catalogue, which contains the past event-specific lorebooks and is designed to be updated every time a new event book is added. If they could tie it to our ToT upgrades, we could read a single book to update our EM knowledge for clues there.

And for the lorebooks that aren’t accessible under any circumstances, account-wide EM also doesn’t help until they’re fixed. These get introduced regularly and are not always addressed promptly.

FaerieDragon

Perhaps what they did for the Impresario's Catalogue was a test on the feasibility of a similar solution for other Eidetic memory book categories

aruthandys

Welanduz wrote: »

yachoor wrote: »

Welanduz wrote: »

agwm_2014 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Does anyone know where I can find this post quest?

Letter from Druid Laurel

Hi, you can find it at the Beldama Wyrd camp in Glenumbra (sourth of Farwatch wayshrine, where you were during the related quest).

Hi!
I can't find it. Can you pease help me with a more specific description or with a picture?
Many thanks in advance,
Welanduz

Go south from wayshrine until you cross the river - the book is at the tree edge, near a basket

You made my day! I was looking near the Beldama Wyrd tree

And for all others blind like me, here a picture


Letter from Druid Laurel



Greetings, Welanduz

I found this post regarding the Eidetic Book "Letter from Druid Laurel" and the accompanying image and thought to myself "thank god, I can get this off my map". However when I go to where it should be there is nothing there. Below is the image I took of the exact same location where Welanduz's found it.




Okay I found this bit on the notes for "Sojourn of the Druid King". So I was just a tad off my timing since I hadn't done the quest on the character I was on.

If the player picks the quest up from the Crown Store, they should acquire a Letter from Druid Laurel directing them to the first delve. If, however, they pick up the quest by actually encountering Laurel herself in a starting city, they do not obtain this letter. However, it is placed in the quest-specific Beldama camp just south of Farwatch wayshrine after the quest is complete, so it can be read for the purposes of Eidetic Memory documents.

Djennku

So, I thought I had confirmed that you couldn't learn lorebooks from in house furnishings, but it turns out that you need the EM unlocked on that toon to be able to do so.


A friend just got new lore from books in my house today. And the week or so before, I had another friend say he didn't get lore updates.


So, I want to apologize for my mistake and misunderstanding.

virtus753

Djennku wrote: »

So, I thought I had confirmed that you couldn't learn lorebooks from in house furnishings, but it turns out that you need the EM unlocked on that toon to be able to do so.

EM is always active, though, even when it's not visible. A character who reads a book knows it even if they haven't completed the Mages Guild line to be able to see the EM in the library. Once the EM is unlocked, all previously read lorebooks show up; you don't need to reread them. An add-on can display the EM before you do the Mages Guild questline, which it wouldn't be able to do if the game weren't already keeping track of the books behind the scenes. All the MG questline (or add-on) does is make that information visible.

I'd be curious to know if furnishings can drop for lorebooks a character has read if that character hasn't finished the MG questline. I'd suspect so, if the check is for EM knowledge and not the status of the MG questline.

SJK87

Does anyone know if there is any way I can get the book “Letter to Lady Sulima” after the quest is finished?

MreeBiPolar

virtus753 wrote: »

Djennku wrote: »

So, I thought I had confirmed that you couldn't learn lorebooks from in house furnishings, but it turns out that you need the EM unlocked on that toon to be able to do so.

EM is always active, though, even when it's not visible. A character who reads a book knows it even if they haven't completed the Mages Guild line to be able to see the EM in the library. Once the EM is unlocked, all previously read lorebooks show up; you don't need to reread them. An add-on can display the EM before you do the Mages Guild questline, which it wouldn't be able to do if the game weren't already keeping track of the books behind the scenes. All the MG questline (or add-on) does is make that information visible.

I'd be curious to know if furnishings can drop for lorebooks a character has read if that character hasn't finished the MG questline. I'd suspect so, if the check is for EM knowledge and not the status of the MG questline.

That conflates a few different things.

To clarify, EM is NOT tracking which books you have read before, which not. It is the ability to RECALL those you read (i.e., re-read them from memory wherever and whenever you want).

An add-on somehow making that available would not satisfy a requirement, if there is one somewhere, to have EM actually unlocked.

That said, I would really rather have EM become an actual account upgrade, not a per-character hidden thing.

Sirona_Starr

SJK87 wrote: »

Does anyone know if there is any way I can get the book “Letter to Lady Sulima” after the quest is finished?

You have to go back into the house to get it. It will be where the lorebook addon says it will be.

virtus753

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Djennku wrote: »

So, I thought I had confirmed that you couldn't learn lorebooks from in house furnishings, but it turns out that you need the EM unlocked on that toon to be able to do so.

EM is always active, though, even when it's not visible. A character who reads a book knows it even if they haven't completed the Mages Guild line to be able to see the EM in the library. Once the EM is unlocked, all previously read lorebooks show up; you don't need to reread them. An add-on can display the EM before you do the Mages Guild questline, which it wouldn't be able to do if the game weren't already keeping track of the books behind the scenes. All the MG questline (or add-on) does is make that information visible.

I'd be curious to know if furnishings can drop for lorebooks a character has read if that character hasn't finished the MG questline. I'd suspect so, if the check is for EM knowledge and not the status of the MG questline.

That conflates a few different things.

To clarify, EM is NOT tracking which books you have read before, which not. It is the ability to RECALL those you read (i.e., re-read them from memory wherever and whenever you want).

An add-on somehow making that available would not satisfy a requirement, if there is one somewhere, to have EM actually unlocked.

That said, I would really rather have EM become an actual account upgrade, not a per-character hidden thing.

I’m not conflating anything. EM does indeed track which lorebooks you’ve read, provided there’s an entry for them. If lorewise you wish to consider it the ability to recall, that’s fine. But mechanics-wise it tracks which books you’ve read on that character.

The part of the post to which I replied claimed a lorebook cannot be “learned” — nothing about “recalled from memory” or found as a furnishing — unless EM has been unlocked.

The fact that an add-on can show your EM and let you read (recall) the books you’ve *learned* (interacted with) before you did any Mages Guild quests does indeed show that the game considers it added to the EM even if you cannot yet see the EM. The tracking is always there. Otherwise we would have to reread all books after finishing Mages Guild.

Whether there is a check for *unlocking* the EM via the Mages Guild quests in order to get the furnishing was not something I speculated about in my posts and was not in the part which I quoted and to which I replied. I do not have the answer to that.

SJK87

Sirona_Starr wrote: »

SJK87 wrote: »

Does anyone know if there is any way I can get the book “Letter to Lady Sulima” after the quest is finished?

You have to go back into the house to get it. It will be where the lorebook addon says it will be.

The door to the mansion is inactive after i finished quest and no letter in thieves den.

Tobyja

SJK87 wrote: »

Sirona_Starr wrote: »

SJK87 wrote: »

Does anyone know if there is any way I can get the book “Letter to Lady Sulima” after the quest is finished?

You have to go back into the house to get it. It will be where the lorebook addon says it will be.

The door to the mansion is inactive after i finished quest and no letter in thieves den.

For PC i can confirm Sirona_Starr's comment.
Only the door on the westside is inactive, the eastern entrance is fine.
Edit: and you can reread the letter.