Why NB's are OP in 1 picture
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Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭While the Major/Minor buffs classes have access to is part of the issue. I think the bigger problem is the passives. As a Stam NB there is only one class passive I would find completely useless. As a Stam Sorc, even with the current PTS patch, I have five passives I have no use for, and one of the major passives for my class requires me to slot a toggle or a skill I will never use. I know Stamplars also have the same issue when it comes to class passives.3 -
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@Jules
If you think nightblades having access to too many buffs is a bad thing then I say your crazy. That gives people the chance to play the way they want. Buffing other classes is the solution so they can have the diversity that nightblades have.
Edited by EsoRecon on May 11, 2016 4:56PMXbox One [ NA ]
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✭✭Ehh....
I'd actually agree with the poster above that Stamplar is the best right now. Those guys are insane.
As to Nightblades themselves, I've found the majority of the buffs listed really don't mean or do much. I've played a Nord nightblade for a very long time, and played it to a high level, meaning my passives only just offset the loss of resources my passives give me. I've found the most reliably OP part of a nightblade is not the passives or the minor buffs, but Siphoning Attacks. I could really give a damn about all the other things listed.... SA allows a Nightblade to stack large amounts of damage and not care about regen.
That said, I am finally rolling a DK.
Stam NB is an infinitely more developed stam class than Stamplar.
In comparison to NB, Stamplar has-
No gap closer.
No single target instant cast.
No ultimate.
No empower.
No hard cc.
No major fracture.
Major Resolve and Ward are earned by dropping a restoring focus vs. Using 1 surprise attack
The one thing they have over NB is Major Mending. And that is all.
This is not a logical argument.
Nightblades lack burst heals and shields. If you'd like to branch out into weapon and other skill lines than we have more options, but that doesn't favor your argument as that begins to add the missing pieces to the other classes (gap closers, stuns, ultimates, etc).
What makes a Nightblade a killing machine is a combination of Cloak, Fear and arguably Siphoning Attacks. That's literally it. Everything else is just gravy. If you don't get that than you don't get Nightblade. We can't burst heal like Templars, we can't shield ourselves to the sky like Sorcs and streak around, and.... well I think we're plain better than DKs in 1v1s but DKs get some advantages that really even the playing field in group play and are STUPID tanky. Buff DKs, I guess?
And Jules, for the love of god. I get you play a lot of classes but you're fairly disrespectful to people in here, some of whom have played the class two years longer than you.
Reapers mark heals you for 60% of your max health when you kill an enemy. This does not equate to a "lacking" burst heal. Sure, it's situational and requires killing. Alas, similarly, crit surge for sorcs also functions in this way. It gives you heals for the damage you inflict.
And you can have played nb for longer, but if you think cloak fear and siphoning attacks are the ONLY things that make a nb a killing machine, then I honestly don't know what you've been learning. Nearly every ability is buffed with damage through passives, nearly every ability is either a stun, snare or minor/major maim. Nearly every ability when compared with the equivalent of other classes does more damage and applies more effectives passively.
And you can say I've been disrespectful, however that is not the intent. I disagreed with you on stamplar being stronger and I have a plethora of proof to back that up. Disagreeing with you and saying your argument is illogical is not being disrespectful.
But perhaps other things I've said have been. And for that I am sorry. But when nbs come here telling me "we're not op because XYZ and you're biased and you're toxic and you're crying" and on and on and on, I'm gonna have to call BS. All of these things are merely deflection from the true issue, that nightblade is outperforming the other three classes, and no one wants to bite the bullet and just admit it.
Jules you must stop this madness, stuff like this ruins your credibility when it comes to Nightblades. Reapers Mark a burst heal? For effing real?
Can I hit it when I'm low health to save myself? No? Than its not a burst heal. It's an order of magnitude worse than GDB, it's worse than Rapid Regen because at least Rapid Regen BURST HEALS me for 2k. Do you remember playing Nightblade before vigor and rally? No. I did. Plenty of videos to go with it. Back when my only self heal was Devouring Swarn I still didn't use reapers Mark because when you don't have heals you don't waste bar slots and valuable magica on nonsense.
As to the rest, again, the rest is gravy. You don't fight a nightblade and think "awwww naw he's gonna Major Fracture me!" or "I hope he doesn't have his OP minor brutality up cuz than I'm done for!" You should be concerned about SA functioning like an extra 1k stat regen, worried about fear draining your stamina or CCing you at just the wrong time, worried about a cloak ruining your big damage combo and letting him reposition for a big damage burst of his own. These are skills that make NBs tick on Stam or magica, core class skills that matter. On my Stam blade I don't even run most listed buffs because I can't spare bar space or magica.
I can't imagine what prompted you to make this thread on such a flimsy premise. Next time you want Nightblades Nerfed ask me and I'll give you a list. That way you won't accidentally get our "burst heal" Nerfed for being too OP or something.
Luv u Jules but that post was nonsense, and the original post doesn't do anything more than show Nightblades have good versatility. If you really want them Nerfed, look at the big ticket items.
The purpose was not to say hey, everyone run reapers mark in Cyrodiil its super good and totally viable.
The purpose was to crack this "nb's have no burst heals" theory wide open.
And if we're being real with ourselves, though reapers mark is never used, healing ward, vigor/rally are. And they are more than viable.
But if you really wanna break it down-
Burst heal.
Burst = strong
Heal = restoring health
Sorry nbs, but reapers mark fills that quota when it heals you for 60% of your max health after a kill. You can call it unconventional, you can say it's not viable in Cyrodiil. Sure, I'll give you that, it's probably not. But please do not say it doesn't exist, because it does. It's really not even that much of a stretch to be honest. Through the history of this game, wackier things have been tried. And the opposite morph of Piercing Mark is also a heal on kill, just for less.
Steve, you've played a lot of time on NB and a very little amount of time on other classes. How can you possibly say a class isn't OP when you haven't even dabbled with the others to have anything to compare it to? Play the others and come back to me after when you see what the rest of the classes play like. Cause for now, you sound like a biased nightblade trying to defend his class just like all the others.
Crack "the no burst heal theory" wide open? By using Reapers Mark. Are you insane? It exists in the same way a theoretical foot on top on your head exists: no one wants it and it doesn't do anything useful. But sure. We have a burst heal. Great detective work Jules.
Flat out, you arguing that Reapers Mark is a burst heal is something I never expected from you, you're smarter than that.
As for me defending Nightblade because I'm biased, I'm not the one grasping at straws and pedantically arguing the definition of "burst heal" to try to make my point. And no, I haven't played Sorc and Templar but I play with and against the better ones left in this game, I have a decent idea of where they're at.
Also I'm going DK as my next main so uh, not particularly invested in whatever nerfs you're fishing for. But yeah. I dislike wrong arguments about a class I've played at a competitive level since launch. Get back to me when you actually understand how and why a Nightblade functions, I don't need to play sorc to know how a Nightblade works. If you want to understand it better, play it more. If a Nightblade came into my guild and started telling me this stuff I'd have a sit down and realign his perspective on how to play one.
Id start by taking Reapers Mark off his bar and telling him to befriend a good healing Templar
Sure, you don't need to play sorc, templar or dk to know how a NB works.
But you do need to play them in order to understand how a NB compares to them.
And I'll leave the reapers mark discussion alone after this but honestly, who's being more ridiculous, the person who says their class has no burst heals and meanwhile has a skill that debuffs their target and heals them for 60% of their max health when they die, or the person who points that out. It's not grasping at straws. It's simply looking at your skills and recognizing that they have potential. And NB's have a lot of it.0 -
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Competetive level like this?But yeah. I dislike wrong arguments about a class I've played at a competitive level since launch. Get back to me when you actually understand how and why a Nightblade functions, I don't need to play sorc to know how a Nightblade works. If you want to understand it better, play it more. If a Nightblade came into my guild and started telling me this stuff I'd have a sit down and realign his perspective on how to play one.
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✭I use a fairly simple methodology for determining if a class is OP or not, and is kind of based off my decades worth of experience playing every major MMO title. Of course I may be wrong and you may disagree.
A strong healing class should lack in DPS
A strong DPS class should lack in heals
A strong tank class should excel in survivability, but not be strong in DPS/Heals
Ideally,
a "light" armor class would have decent mobility and high DPS
a "medium" armor class should have mediocre mobility and DPS
a "heavy" armor class would have survivability (mitigation), low mobility, and mediocre DPS
This template favors diverse group play, and individual roles within those groups.
So when I read posts in this topic that talk about a high burst class like Nightblade lacking in heals, I just laugh. You shouldn't have heals.
You need to make a chart with columns like Healing, Mitigation/Defenses/Mobility, DPS. No class should excel in all 3. That is how you achieve balance.
I know some of you think @Jules has an agenda being she plays a Sorc, and this looks like a secret "buff sorcs" thread, but consider outside of overload we have some of the weakest DPS and our mobility has been nerfed into oblivion via BoE nerfs and giving gap closers to every single class. Some of our best DPS is an avoidable slow as hell projectile. Top that with zero class heals (reliable) and no physical mitigation outside of stacking shields, while the majority of you still cry for shield nerfs without first addressing the other issues I just pointed out.1 -
EsoRecon✭✭✭✭✭@Jules imma make a pole about reapers mark and see if people think its a burst heal
Go for it. I honestly do not care whether people regard it as a burst heal or not.
When something heals for 60% of max health, it's a burst heal. And I don't need any poll to prove or disprove this.
Yes, technically it is a burst heal... But can you use it effectively like breath of life or rally? NOXbox One [ NA ]
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✭✭@Jules imma make a pole about reapers mark and see if people think its a burst heal
Go for it. I honestly do not care whether people regard it as a burst heal or not.
When something heals for 60% of max health, it's a burst heal. And I don't need any poll to prove or disprove this.
Yes, technically it is a burst heal... But can you use it effectively like breath of life or rally? NO
That's not the question nor did I ever say it was effective like BOL or rally. You answered your own question.@Jules imma make a pole about reapers mark and see if people think its a burst healYes, technically it is a burst heal1 -
EsoRecon✭✭✭✭✭@Jules imma make a pole about reapers mark and see if people think its a burst heal
Go for it. I honestly do not care whether people regard it as a burst heal or not.
When something heals for 60% of max health, it's a burst heal. And I don't need any poll to prove or disprove this.
Yes, technically it is a burst heal... But can you use it effectively like breath of life or rally? NO
That's not the question nor did I ever say it was effective like BOL or rally. You answered your own question.@Jules imma make a pole about reapers mark and see if people think its a burst healYes, technically it is a burst heal
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✭✭✭Ehh....
I'd actually agree with the poster above that Stamplar is the best right now. Those guys are insane.
As to Nightblades themselves, I've found the majority of the buffs listed really don't mean or do much. I've played a Nord nightblade for a very long time, and played it to a high level, meaning my passives only just offset the loss of resources my passives give me. I've found the most reliably OP part of a nightblade is not the passives or the minor buffs, but Siphoning Attacks. I could really give a damn about all the other things listed.... SA allows a Nightblade to stack large amounts of damage and not care about regen.
That said, I am finally rolling a DK.
Stam NB is an infinitely more developed stam class than Stamplar.
In comparison to NB, Stamplar has-
No gap closer.
No single target instant cast.
No ultimate.
No empower.
No hard cc.
No major fracture.
Major Resolve and Ward are earned by dropping a restoring focus vs. Using 1 surprise attack
The one thing they have over NB is Major Mending. And that is all.
This is not a logical argument.
Nightblades lack burst heals and shields. If you'd like to branch out into weapon and other skill lines than we have more options, but that doesn't favor your argument as that begins to add the missing pieces to the other classes (gap closers, stuns, ultimates, etc).
What makes a Nightblade a killing machine is a combination of Cloak, Fear and arguably Siphoning Attacks. That's literally it. Everything else is just gravy. If you don't get that than you don't get Nightblade. We can't burst heal like Templars, we can't shield ourselves to the sky like Sorcs and streak around, and.... well I think we're plain better than DKs in 1v1s but DKs get some advantages that really even the playing field in group play and are STUPID tanky. Buff DKs, I guess?
And Jules, for the love of god. I get you play a lot of classes but you're fairly disrespectful to people in here, some of whom have played the class two years longer than you.
Reapers mark heals you for 60% of your max health when you kill an enemy. This does not equate to a "lacking" burst heal. Sure, it's situational and requires killing. Alas, similarly, crit surge for sorcs also functions in this way. It gives you heals for the damage you inflict.
And you can have played nb for longer, but if you think cloak fear and siphoning attacks are the ONLY things that make a nb a killing machine, then I honestly don't know what you've been learning. Nearly every ability is buffed with damage through passives, nearly every ability is either a stun, snare or minor/major maim. Nearly every ability when compared with the equivalent of other classes does more damage and applies more effectives passively.
And you can say I've been disrespectful, however that is not the intent. I disagreed with you on stamplar being stronger and I have a plethora of proof to back that up. Disagreeing with you and saying your argument is illogical is not being disrespectful.
But perhaps other things I've said have been. And for that I am sorry. But when nbs come here telling me "we're not op because XYZ and you're biased and you're toxic and you're crying" and on and on and on, I'm gonna have to call BS. All of these things are merely deflection from the true issue, that nightblade is outperforming the other three classes, and no one wants to bite the bullet and just admit it.
Jules you must stop this madness, stuff like this ruins your credibility when it comes to Nightblades. Reapers Mark a burst heal? For effing real?
Can I hit it when I'm low health to save myself? No? Than its not a burst heal. It's an order of magnitude worse than GDB, it's worse than Rapid Regen because at least Rapid Regen BURST HEALS me for 2k. Do you remember playing Nightblade before vigor and rally? No. I did. Plenty of videos to go with it. Back when my only self heal was Devouring Swarn I still didn't use reapers Mark because when you don't have heals you don't waste bar slots and valuable magica on nonsense.
As to the rest, again, the rest is gravy. You don't fight a nightblade and think "awwww naw he's gonna Major Fracture me!" or "I hope he doesn't have his OP minor brutality up cuz than I'm done for!" You should be concerned about SA functioning like an extra 1k stat regen, worried about fear draining your stamina or CCing you at just the wrong time, worried about a cloak ruining your big damage combo and letting him reposition for a big damage burst of his own. These are skills that make NBs tick on Stam or magica, core class skills that matter. On my Stam blade I don't even run most listed buffs because I can't spare bar space or magica.
I can't imagine what prompted you to make this thread on such a flimsy premise. Next time you want Nightblades Nerfed ask me and I'll give you a list. That way you won't accidentally get our "burst heal" Nerfed for being too OP or something.
Luv u Jules but that post was nonsense, and the original post doesn't do anything more than show Nightblades have good versatility. If you really want them Nerfed, look at the big ticket items.
The purpose was not to say hey, everyone run reapers mark in Cyrodiil its super good and totally viable.
The purpose was to crack this "nb's have no burst heals" theory wide open.
And if we're being real with ourselves, though reapers mark is never used, healing ward, vigor/rally are. And they are more than viable.
But if you really wanna break it down-
Burst heal.
Burst = strong
Heal = restoring health
Sorry nbs, but reapers mark fills that quota when it heals you for 60% of your max health after a kill. You can call it unconventional, you can say it's not viable in Cyrodiil. Sure, I'll give you that, it's probably not. But please do not say it doesn't exist, because it does. It's really not even that much of a stretch to be honest. Through the history of this game, wackier things have been tried. And the opposite morph of Piercing Mark is also a heal on kill, just for less.
Steve, you've played a lot of time on NB and a very little amount of time on other classes. How can you possibly say a class isn't OP when you haven't even dabbled with the others to have anything to compare it to? Play the others and come back to me after when you see what the rest of the classes play like. Cause for now, you sound like a biased nightblade trying to defend his class just like all the others.
Crack "the no burst heal theory" wide open? By using Reapers Mark. Are you insane? It exists in the same way a theoretical foot on top on your head exists: no one wants it and it doesn't do anything useful. But sure. We have a burst heal. Great detective work Jules.
Flat out, you arguing that Reapers Mark is a burst heal is something I never expected from you, you're smarter than that.
As for me defending Nightblade because I'm biased, I'm not the one grasping at straws and pedantically arguing the definition of "burst heal" to try to make my point. And no, I haven't played Sorc and Templar but I play with and against the better ones left in this game, I have a decent idea of where they're at.
Also I'm going DK as my next main so uh, not particularly invested in whatever nerfs you're fishing for. But yeah. I dislike wrong arguments about a class I've played at a competitive level since launch. Get back to me when you actually understand how and why a Nightblade functions, I don't need to play sorc to know how a Nightblade works. If you want to understand it better, play it more. If a Nightblade came into my guild and started telling me this stuff I'd have a sit down and realign his perspective on how to play one.
Id start by taking Reapers Mark off his bar and telling him to befriend a good healing Templar
Sure, you don't need to play sorc, templar or dk to know how a NB works.
But you do need to play them in order to understand how a NB compares to them.
And I'll leave the reapers mark discussion alone after this but honestly, who's being more ridiculous, the person who says their class has no burst heals and meanwhile has a skill that debuffs their target and heals them for 60% of their max health when they die, or the person who points that out. It's not grasping at straws. It's simply looking at your skills and recognizing that they have potential. And NB's have a lot of it.
You're being more ridiculous. You. It was a really silly thing to bring up. I suspect you know better than to actually use it but it was a convenient (if incorrect) counter to my self heal argument. But again, it's a ridiculous thing to even being up. The entire point of a burst heal is that you can get it in a clutch situation to to keep you in the fight. Reapers Mark simply isn't viable. If I'm fighting you and I need a self heal BAD, the solution isn't to to kill you and get 60% max health back, because if I could just KILL you than i don't need the bloody clutch self heal!
Imagine if Dragonknights could only get health back by killing someone? Do I need to bring up the pages you wrote on Green Dragons Blood being useless? Well, it's a billion times better than Reapers Mark. Straight up. Trade me now. Broken DK skill better than my "Nightblade burst heal". This isn't a topic of conversation we agree to disagree on: you're simply wrong. Straight up. It's a bad hill to die on.
And again, I'm pretty solid on how the classes work. I'm not going to tell Teargrants how to play but you better believe I understand what a good sorc is capable of. I'm not a Templar but I study the ones I play against and with, I know what they can do when played right (you should too, you play with Kodi). I actually have a DK (2 ranked ones!). That is to say, I can't tell the experts other class how to play but I can note when they are playing well. I've seen these classes played to potential and they're every bit as good as well played Nightblades.
You're trying to tell me how to play my class. I'm open to arguments on Nightblades being OP. Some of those new DB buffs for example. But you came at this wrong. You started with a plurality of buffs which is basically just saying that Nightblades are too versatile, and than moved on to ignoring my input on what makes Nightblade silly strong, and finished by basically telling me I don't know my class and should learn to burst heal myself with reapers Mark. You want to talk being creative with Nightblade abilities, you should have tried playing one without self heals against pre-nerf DKs. That will teach you to dig deep into the creativity bag quickly.
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✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »I pretty much agree on everything that @DDuke says, he explained it very well. And as someone who actually played against him I'm pretty sure that he is far better than the rest of the people posting here (well, let us exclude Derra here
) so please stop trying to explain him how to play (or come back after you won against him as a Stamblade).
@Jules you have a Stamdk (Redguard !!!!) and this class is on top of PvP right now, please stop trying to get Nightblades destroyed. The arguments you made aren't fair and if Nightblades get nerfed even more I (and a lot of Nightblade players) will just reroll to Stamdk. I would trade my broken cloak every time against Major Mending. I'm sure that nobody who is crying about Nightblades actually played the class by themself against good Stamdks or Temps.
There is a reason that the last tournament (on EU) was dominated by Stamdks and not by Stamblades. And with Redguard you can just go Tristat Food and Clever Alchemist and still have enough sustain with that insane broken racial passive and Battleroar. To be fair, Redguard is the thing which makes Stamdk broken in my opinion and I would listen if you wouldn't play Redguard. But with Redguarddk you have really no right to complain about balance.
And to your problem with Surprise Attack: How is Heroic Slash worse than Surprise Attack? It gives a snare, ult regen, reduces the dmg of the target by 15% and deals pretty good dmg.
I can just say go on EU server and fight some good Redguard Stamina Dks as a Stamblade. I wish you much luck and fun surprise attacking through 5k vigor ticks
But yeah, it takes just a few videos and bit whining from a popular streamer and half of the ESO world thinks that Dk sucks while the opposite is the case.
1. I have no idea who you are but I have 2 DK's. One is a Dunmer (EP) and one is an Imperial (DC). So whatever you're saying about me having a redguard StamDK is just misinformed as I do not.
2. "5k vigor ticks" are a flat out lie. Simple major mending in a traditional 5 hundings-1 bloodspawn-1kena-3 agility-Maelstrom weapons does not make this even close to possible on live or PTS. Nothing makes this possible short of maybe running the ritual stone and using a powered weapon near a keep.
3. I am NOT trying to destroy nightblades. This is just a kneejerk ridiculous reaction to me saying that the NB class has too much access to buffs that other classes do not have. Balance is not the destruction of classes. I would NEVER want what happened to magicka DK's to happen to ANY class. That series of nerfs over 2015 completely decimated the class and I have more respect for NB's than to make any attempt to gut them like that. However, I will continue to say that they are overperforming in relation to their counterparts because I believe this to be true for a number of reasons, especially when the DB patch goes live.
4. I have no idea what you mean when you say "get nightblades nerfed even more" --- were you asleep when NB's just got Incap strike, Killers Blade, Relentless Focus and Power Extraction all as viable stam morphs this update? Come on man. That's just so delusional I can't even.
1. I'm sorry then. Saw your video there you explain the skill changes with DB and saw Redguard Stamina Dk. I have to admit, that Stamdk loses a lot of his power without the Redguard race and that it is a lot easier to fight non Redguard Dks. The problem here is, that you can't balance Stamdk as long as Redguards aren't nerfed. Adrenaline Rush scales just too good on Dks and needs a nerf or rework in my opinion. If you balance Stamdk for all races, Redguard will always be over the top. If you balance Dk around Redguard the other races will underperform with the class.
2. A friend said that he achieved 6k ticks (crits) on vigor, I don't know what skills he used but I'm pretty sure it was Malubeth + Clever Alchemist + a lot weapondmg and stamina.
3. How is the class overperforming? Every other class has at least one specc that is stronger than Stamina Nightblade at the moment. Stamina Nightblades don't have that much burst dmg as a lot people say all the time, aren't tanky and don't have good AoE. We also lost our dot removal which makes it pretty hard to survive against constant pressure once you have a few dots on you. If cloak wouldn't be totally broken they might be a bit too strong but at the moment you can't rely on this buggy ability. Fix this *** before nerfing Nightblades.
4. Haven't played on PTS right now but I'm sure that Incap will get a nerf. And don't forget that other classes get buffed too. All Manaclasses get a strong shield against stamina, heavy armor gets buffed and all stambuilds gets buffed not only Stamblade.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.1 -
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✭✭@Jules imma make a pole about reapers mark and see if people think its a burst heal
Go for it. I honestly do not care whether people regard it as a burst heal or not.
When something heals for 60% of max health, it's a burst heal. And I don't need any poll to prove or disprove this.
Yes, technically it is a burst heal... But can you use it effectively like breath of life or rally? NO
That's not the question nor did I ever say it was effective like BOL or rally. You answered your own question.@Jules imma make a pole about reapers mark and see if people think its a burst healYes, technically it is a burst heal
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EsoRecon✭✭✭✭✭@Jules imma make a pole about reapers mark and see if people think its a burst heal
Go for it. I honestly do not care whether people regard it as a burst heal or not.
When something heals for 60% of max health, it's a burst heal. And I don't need any poll to prove or disprove this.
Yes, technically it is a burst heal... But can you use it effectively like breath of life or rally? NO
That's not the question nor did I ever say it was effective like BOL or rally. You answered your own question.@Jules imma make a pole about reapers mark and see if people think its a burst healYes, technically it is a burst heal
Oh you think your real smart don't you?
you're*
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Competetive level like this?But yeah. I dislike wrong arguments about a class I've played at a competitive level since launch. Get back to me when you actually understand how and why a Nightblade functions, I don't need to play sorc to know how a Nightblade works. If you want to understand it better, play it more. If a Nightblade came into my guild and started telling me this stuff I'd have a sit down and realign his perspective on how to play one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkUEepRgkd8
He died tho!
But for reals, there's plenty of videos of my small scale stuff if you want to look. These days I raid lead almost exclusively, which is necessary to maintain my guilds presence in Cyrodiil and I won't apologize for running a build suited to that.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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✭If a burst heal can't heal at time of cast, is it really a burst heal?
Seems more like a large one-tick HoT
I can't believe this community has stooped to such low levels.
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Then there will be less of this or that class is "op" and more just balancing skills and giving them each unique functions. As for dealing with current nightblades who use stealth burst builds one has to use radiant magelight to counter it. Much like one has to use reflect+ sustain+charge+shattering blows to deal with sorcs. In some of those videos posted you can see radiant magelight was not being used which is why the person was instantly killed.
Also the nightblades who run that build only have about 16k health and die easily if hit. It is just a one hit wonder build but in most of the combat situations that occur in cyrodiil the build has very little use.0 -
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Seems more like a large one-tick HoT
I can't believe this community has stooped to such low levels.
This tangent is dumbfounding. How on earth does anyone look at Reapers Mark and think "damn, that's useful"?
The only time you need burst heals is in urgent situations. If you cannot use it upon command than it is beyond useless. I can't even with this.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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Shelgon✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »I pretty much agree on everything that @DDuke says, he explained it very well. And as someone who actually played against him I'm pretty sure that he is far better than the rest of the people posting here (well, let us exclude Derra here ) so please stop trying to explain him how to play (or come back after you won against him as a Stamblade).
@Jules you have a Stamdk (Redguard !!!!) and this class is on top of PvP right now, please stop trying to get Nightblades destroyed. The arguments you made aren't fair and if Nightblades get nerfed even more I (and a lot of Nightblade players) will just reroll to Stamdk. I would trade my broken cloak every time against Major Mending. I'm sure that nobody who is crying about Nightblades actually played the class by themself against good Stamdks or Temps.
There is a reason that the last tournament (on EU) was dominated by Stamdks and not by Stamblades. And with Redguard you can just go Tristat Food and Clever Alchemist and still have enough sustain with that insane broken racial passive and Battleroar. To be fair, Redguard is the thing which makes Stamdk broken in my opinion and I would listen if you wouldn't play Redguard. But with Redguarddk you have really no right to complain about balance.
And to your problem with Surprise Attack: How is Heroic Slash worse than Surprise Attack? It gives a snare, ult regen, reduces the dmg of the target by 15% and deals pretty good dmg.
I can just say go on EU server and fight some good Redguard Stamina Dks as a Stamblade. I wish you much luck and fun surprise attacking through 5k vigor ticks
But yeah, it takes just a few videos and bit whining from a popular streamer and half of the ESO world thinks that Dk sucks while the opposite is the case.
1. I have no idea who you are but I have 2 DK's. One is a Dunmer (EP) and one is an Imperial (DC). So whatever you're saying about me having a redguard StamDK is just misinformed as I do not.
2. "5k vigor ticks" are a flat out lie. Simple major mending in a traditional 5 hundings-1 bloodspawn-1kena-3 agility-Maelstrom weapons does not make this even close to possible on live or PTS. Nothing makes this possible short of maybe running the ritual stone and using a powered weapon near a keep.
3. I am NOT trying to destroy nightblades. This is just a kneejerk ridiculous reaction to me saying that the NB class has too much access to buffs that other classes do not have. Balance is not the destruction of classes. I would NEVER want what happened to magicka DK's to happen to ANY class. That series of nerfs over 2015 completely decimated the class and I have more respect for NB's than to make any attempt to gut them like that. However, I will continue to say that they are overperforming in relation to their counterparts because I believe this to be true for a number of reasons, especially when the DB patch goes live.
4. I have no idea what you mean when you say "get nightblades nerfed even more" --- were you asleep when NB's just got Incap strike, Killers Blade, Relentless Focus and Power Extraction all as viable stam morphs this update? Come on man. That's just so delusional I can't even.
1. I'm sorry then. Saw your video there you explain the skill changes with DB and saw Redguard Stamina Dk. I have to admit, that Stamdk loses a lot of his power without the Redguard race and that it is a lot easier to fight non Redguard Dks. The problem here is, that you can't balance Stamdk as long as Redguards aren't nerfed. Adrenaline Rush scales just too good on Dks and needs a nerf or rework in my opinion. If you balance Stamdk for all races, Redguard will always be over the top. If you balance Dk around Redguard the other races will underperform with the class.
2. A friend said that he achieved 6k ticks (crits) on vigor, I don't know what skills he used but I'm pretty sure it was Malubeth + Clever Alchemist + a lot weapondmg and stamina.
3. How is the class overperforming? Every other class has at least one specc that is stronger than Stamina Nightblade at the moment. Stamina Nightblades don't have that much burst dmg as a lot people say all the time, aren't tanky and don't have good AoE. We also lost our dot removal which makes it pretty hard to survive against constant pressure once you have a few dots on you. If cloak wouldn't be totally broken they might be a bit too strong but at the moment you can't rely on this buggy ability. Fix this *** before nerfing Nightblades.
4. Haven't played on PTS right now but I'm sure that Incap will get a nerf. And don't forget that other classes get buffed too. All Manaclasses get a strong shield against stamina, heavy armor gets buffed and all stambuilds gets buffed not only Stamblade.
2. Yeah one of my friends said he got 500000 Weapon damage and hit 437k Surprise attacks with Ravager + Kena, anyone can say anything, pics or it didn't happen.
3. "Nightblades don't have that much burst damage"
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I'd actually agree with the poster above that Stamplar is the best right now. Those guys are insane.
As to Nightblades themselves, I've found the majority of the buffs listed really don't mean or do much. I've played a Nord nightblade for a very long time, and played it to a high level, meaning my passives only just offset the loss of resources my passives give me. I've found the most reliably OP part of a nightblade is not the passives or the minor buffs, but Siphoning Attacks. I could really give a damn about all the other things listed.... SA allows a Nightblade to stack large amounts of damage and not care about regen.
That said, I am finally rolling a DK.
Stam NB is an infinitely more developed stam class than Stamplar.
In comparison to NB, Stamplar has-
No gap closer.
No single target instant cast.
No ultimate.
No empower.
No hard cc.
No major fracture.
Major Resolve and Ward are earned by dropping a restoring focus vs. Using 1 surprise attack
The one thing they have over NB is Major Mending. And that is all.
This is not a logical argument.
Nightblades lack burst heals and shields. If you'd like to branch out into weapon and other skill lines than we have more options, but that doesn't favor your argument as that begins to add the missing pieces to the other classes (gap closers, stuns, ultimates, etc).
What makes a Nightblade a killing machine is a combination of Cloak, Fear and arguably Siphoning Attacks. That's literally it. Everything else is just gravy. If you don't get that than you don't get Nightblade. We can't burst heal like Templars, we can't shield ourselves to the sky like Sorcs and streak around, and.... well I think we're plain better than DKs in 1v1s but DKs get some advantages that really even the playing field in group play and are STUPID tanky. Buff DKs, I guess?
And Jules, for the love of god. I get you play a lot of classes but you're fairly disrespectful to people in here, some of whom have played the class two years longer than you.
Reapers mark heals you for 60% of your max health when you kill an enemy. This does not equate to a "lacking" burst heal. Sure, it's situational and requires killing. Alas, similarly, crit surge for sorcs also functions in this way. It gives you heals for the damage you inflict.
And you can have played nb for longer, but if you think cloak fear and siphoning attacks are the ONLY things that make a nb a killing machine, then I honestly don't know what you've been learning. Nearly every ability is buffed with damage through passives, nearly every ability is either a stun, snare or minor/major maim. Nearly every ability when compared with the equivalent of other classes does more damage and applies more effectives passively.
And you can say I've been disrespectful, however that is not the intent. I disagreed with you on stamplar being stronger and I have a plethora of proof to back that up. Disagreeing with you and saying your argument is illogical is not being disrespectful.
But perhaps other things I've said have been. And for that I am sorry. But when nbs come here telling me "we're not op because XYZ and you're biased and you're toxic and you're crying" and on and on and on, I'm gonna have to call BS. All of these things are merely deflection from the true issue, that nightblade is outperforming the other three classes, and no one wants to bite the bullet and just admit it.
Jules you must stop this madness, stuff like this ruins your credibility when it comes to Nightblades. Reapers Mark a burst heal? For effing real?
Can I hit it when I'm low health to save myself? No? Than its not a burst heal. It's an order of magnitude worse than GDB, it's worse than Rapid Regen because at least Rapid Regen BURST HEALS me for 2k. Do you remember playing Nightblade before vigor and rally? No. I did. Plenty of videos to go with it. Back when my only self heal was Devouring Swarn I still didn't use reapers Mark because when you don't have heals you don't waste bar slots and valuable magica on nonsense.
As to the rest, again, the rest is gravy. You don't fight a nightblade and think "awwww naw he's gonna Major Fracture me!" or "I hope he doesn't have his OP minor brutality up cuz than I'm done for!" You should be concerned about SA functioning like an extra 1k stat regen, worried about fear draining your stamina or CCing you at just the wrong time, worried about a cloak ruining your big damage combo and letting him reposition for a big damage burst of his own. These are skills that make NBs tick on Stam or magica, core class skills that matter. On my Stam blade I don't even run most listed buffs because I can't spare bar space or magica.
I can't imagine what prompted you to make this thread on such a flimsy premise. Next time you want Nightblades Nerfed ask me and I'll give you a list. That way you won't accidentally get our "burst heal" Nerfed for being too OP or something.
Luv u Jules but that post was nonsense, and the original post doesn't do anything more than show Nightblades have good versatility. If you really want them Nerfed, look at the big ticket items.
The purpose was not to say hey, everyone run reapers mark in Cyrodiil its super good and totally viable.
The purpose was to crack this "nb's have no burst heals" theory wide open.
And if we're being real with ourselves, though reapers mark is never used, healing ward, vigor/rally are. And they are more than viable.
But if you really wanna break it down-
Burst heal.
Burst = strong
Heal = restoring health
Sorry nbs, but reapers mark fills that quota when it heals you for 60% of your max health after a kill. You can call it unconventional, you can say it's not viable in Cyrodiil. Sure, I'll give you that, it's probably not. But please do not say it doesn't exist, because it does. It's really not even that much of a stretch to be honest. Through the history of this game, wackier things have been tried. And the opposite morph of Piercing Mark is also a heal on kill, just for less.
Steve, you've played a lot of time on NB and a very little amount of time on other classes. How can you possibly say a class isn't OP when you haven't even dabbled with the others to have anything to compare it to? Play the others and come back to me after when you see what the rest of the classes play like. Cause for now, you sound like a biased nightblade trying to defend his class just like all the others.
Crack "the no burst heal theory" wide open? By using Reapers Mark. Are you insane? It exists in the same way a theoretical foot on top on your head exists: no one wants it and it doesn't do anything useful. But sure. We have a burst heal. Great detective work Jules.
Flat out, you arguing that Reapers Mark is a burst heal is something I never expected from you, you're smarter than that.
As for me defending Nightblade because I'm biased, I'm not the one grasping at straws and pedantically arguing the definition of "burst heal" to try to make my point. And no, I haven't played Sorc and Templar but I play with and against the better ones left in this game, I have a decent idea of where they're at.
Also I'm going DK as my next main so uh, not particularly invested in whatever nerfs you're fishing for. But yeah. I dislike wrong arguments about a class I've played at a competitive level since launch. Get back to me when you actually understand how and why a Nightblade functions, I don't need to play sorc to know how a Nightblade works. If you want to understand it better, play it more. If a Nightblade came into my guild and started telling me this stuff I'd have a sit down and realign his perspective on how to play one.
Id start by taking Reapers Mark off his bar and telling him to befriend a good healing Templar
Sure, you don't need to play sorc, templar or dk to know how a NB works.
But you do need to play them in order to understand how a NB compares to them.
And I'll leave the reapers mark discussion alone after this but honestly, who's being more ridiculous, the person who says their class has no burst heals and meanwhile has a skill that debuffs their target and heals them for 60% of their max health when they die, or the person who points that out. It's not grasping at straws. It's simply looking at your skills and recognizing that they have potential. And NB's have a lot of it.
You're being more ridiculous. You. It was a really silly thing to bring up. I suspect you know better than to actually use it but it was a convenient (if incorrect) counter to my self heal argument. But again, it's a ridiculous thing to even being up. The entire point of a burst heal is that you can get it in a clutch situation to to keep you in the fight. Reapers Mark simply isn't viable. If I'm fighting you and I need a self heal BAD, the solution isn't to to kill you and get 60% max health back, because if I could just KILL you than i don't need the bloody clutch self heal!
Imagine if Dragonknights could only get health back by killing someone? Do I need to bring up the pages you wrote on Green Dragons Blood being useless? Well, it's a billion times better than Reapers Mark. Straight up. Trade me now. Broken DK skill better than my "Nightblade burst heal". This isn't a topic of conversation we agree to disagree on: you're simply wrong. Straight up. It's a bad hill to die on.
And again, I'm pretty solid on how the classes work. I'm not going to tell Teargrants how to play but you better believe I understand what a good sorc is capable of. I'm not a Templar but I study the ones I play against and with, I know what they can do when played right (you should too, you play with Kodi). I actually have a DK (2 ranked ones!). That is to say, I can't tell the experts other class how to play but I can note when they are playing well. I've seen these classes played to potential and they're every bit as good as well played Nightblades.
You're trying to tell me how to play my class. I'm open to arguments on Nightblades being OP. Some of those new DB buffs for example. But you came at this wrong. You started with a plurality of buffs which is basically just saying that Nightblades are too versatile, and than moved on to ignoring my input on what makes Nightblade silly strong, and finished by basically telling me I don't know my class and should learn to burst heal myself with reapers Mark. You want to talk being creative with Nightblade abilities, you should have tried playing one without self heals against pre-nerf DKs. That will teach you to dig deep into the creativity bag quickly.
I don't need to play with Kodi to know what templars are capable of or how they compare to NB's. I play Templar. I have 3 of them. I also have 1 sorc, 2 DK and 2 NB, all v16, maxed, geared, and all above assault/support 10. I have a very good understanding of how each class operates both in group and small scale PVP and how they all compare to one another. I don't need to observe other people doing this or ask them their opinions on the classes, because I have experienced it myself, which is simply not the same level of understanding that you get from observing others.
To all the NB claiming their class isnt OP, I suggest you try playing a stam sorc where you have 0 stam ultimate, 0 ST ability, 0 class CC, 0 major fracture, 0 class gap closer, 0 empower, and 0 class execute. The imbalance between stam nb and stam sorc is by far one of the most disgusting imbalances in the game at this time.
And I never tried to tell you how to play your class steve. You're getting all hung up on Reaper's Mark as if I said it was OP and the golden ticket to NB heals. I simply pointed out the truth, that it is a burst heal. One that you overlooked.2 -
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✭✭✭God_flakes wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Quite honestly, I could give a rat's a** about that elf Aenlir with his justin bieber elf facial features and his robotic elf girlfriend Ara Valleria of Valleria with valerian steel and friendly with Jared Mormont..... But not even they as NBs survive like templar Mojican does. You try to fight Mojican all you see is blindly white light as heals shoot out of every pore and orifice. By the time you regain your sight you find your lifeless body on the wet grassy ground of elf land.
What's with the Moji-worship? Get a room already.
How dare you? Accuse me of loving an elf!? You must be mad! Mojican is lucky to have the tools that ZOS gave him at his disposal. Otherwise a 14 year old COVENANT boy working the stables in Glenumbra would take one of his limbs as a trophy in a fight....Edited by Publius_Scipio on May 11, 2016 5:37PM2 -
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Gah.
The sad part is that she's popular, so some people are actually going to buy this crap. Gratz Jules for inventing something new to complain about. 25 gold stars.
This is the state of class discussion in ESO. Part of the reason is the players who are elevated to have a voice are usually entertainers or popular players who associate with entertainers.
An even greater reason is the lack of a thorough, objective analysis of all classes and popular builds. Until such a study is released, peer reviewed and embraced by a majority of the community, discussions like this will always only be about opinion and preference. For the record, ESO is so convoluted and we all appear so biased, I am not sure this is even possible.
My opinion is that the Templar is, by far, the most effective class in the game in 2.3. Most players I chat with seem to agree. But has anyone conclusively proven it? Not really.
As a player who plays an NB, DKs, and a Sorc, I have always thought NBs are the easiest class to kill. By a wide margin.Edited by zyk on May 11, 2016 5:41PM6 -
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To all the NB claiming their class isnt OP, I suggest you try playing a stam sorc where you have 0 stam ultimate, 0 ST ability, 0 class CC, 0 major fracture, 0 class gap closer, 0 empower, and 0 class execute. The imbalance between stam nb and stam sorc is by far one of the most disgusting imbalances in the game at this time.Ehh....
I'd actually agree with the poster above that Stamplar is the best right now. Those guys are insane.
As to Nightblades themselves, I've found the majority of the buffs listed really don't mean or do much. I've played a Nord nightblade for a very long time, and played it to a high level, meaning my passives only just offset the loss of resources my passives give me. I've found the most reliably OP part of a nightblade is not the passives or the minor buffs, but Siphoning Attacks. I could really give a damn about all the other things listed.... SA allows a Nightblade to stack large amounts of damage and not care about regen.
That said, I am finally rolling a DK.
Stam NB is an infinitely more developed stam class than Stamplar.
In comparison to NB, Stamplar has-
No gap closer.
No single target instant cast.
No ultimate.
No empower.
No hard cc.
No major fracture.
Major Resolve and Ward are earned by dropping a restoring focus vs. Using 1 surprise attack
The one thing they have over NB is Major Mending. And that is all.
This is not a logical argument.
Nightblades lack burst heals and shields. If you'd like to branch out into weapon and other skill lines than we have more options, but that doesn't favor your argument as that begins to add the missing pieces to the other classes (gap closers, stuns, ultimates, etc).
What makes a Nightblade a killing machine is a combination of Cloak, Fear and arguably Siphoning Attacks. That's literally it. Everything else is just gravy. If you don't get that than you don't get Nightblade. We can't burst heal like Templars, we can't shield ourselves to the sky like Sorcs and streak around, and.... well I think we're plain better than DKs in 1v1s but DKs get some advantages that really even the playing field in group play and are STUPID tanky. Buff DKs, I guess?
And Jules, for the love of god. I get you play a lot of classes but you're fairly disrespectful to people in here, some of whom have played the class two years longer than you.
Reapers mark heals you for 60% of your max health when you kill an enemy. This does not equate to a "lacking" burst heal. Sure, it's situational and requires killing. Alas, similarly, crit surge for sorcs also functions in this way. It gives you heals for the damage you inflict.
And you can have played nb for longer, but if you think cloak fear and siphoning attacks are the ONLY things that make a nb a killing machine, then I honestly don't know what you've been learning. Nearly every ability is buffed with damage through passives, nearly every ability is either a stun, snare or minor/major maim. Nearly every ability when compared with the equivalent of other classes does more damage and applies more effectives passively.
And you can say I've been disrespectful, however that is not the intent. I disagreed with you on stamplar being stronger and I have a plethora of proof to back that up. Disagreeing with you and saying your argument is illogical is not being disrespectful.
But perhaps other things I've said have been. And for that I am sorry. But when nbs come here telling me "we're not op because XYZ and you're biased and you're toxic and you're crying" and on and on and on, I'm gonna have to call BS. All of these things are merely deflection from the true issue, that nightblade is outperforming the other three classes, and no one wants to bite the bullet and just admit it.
Jules you must stop this madness, stuff like this ruins your credibility when it comes to Nightblades. Reapers Mark a burst heal? For effing real?
Can I hit it when I'm low health to save myself? No? Than its not a burst heal. It's an order of magnitude worse than GDB, it's worse than Rapid Regen because at least Rapid Regen BURST HEALS me for 2k. Do you remember playing Nightblade before vigor and rally? No. I did. Plenty of videos to go with it. Back when my only self heal was Devouring Swarn I still didn't use reapers Mark because when you don't have heals you don't waste bar slots and valuable magica on nonsense.
As to the rest, again, the rest is gravy. You don't fight a nightblade and think "awwww naw he's gonna Major Fracture me!" or "I hope he doesn't have his OP minor brutality up cuz than I'm done for!" You should be concerned about SA functioning like an extra 1k stat regen, worried about fear draining your stamina or CCing you at just the wrong time, worried about a cloak ruining your big damage combo and letting him reposition for a big damage burst of his own. These are skills that make NBs tick on Stam or magica, core class skills that matter. On my Stam blade I don't even run most listed buffs because I can't spare bar space or magica.
I can't imagine what prompted you to make this thread on such a flimsy premise. Next time you want Nightblades Nerfed ask me and I'll give you a list. That way you won't accidentally get our "burst heal" Nerfed for being too OP or something.
Luv u Jules but that post was nonsense, and the original post doesn't do anything more than show Nightblades have good versatility. If you really want them Nerfed, look at the big ticket items.
The purpose was not to say hey, everyone run reapers mark in Cyrodiil its super good and totally viable.
The purpose was to crack this "nb's have no burst heals" theory wide open.
And if we're being real with ourselves, though reapers mark is never used, healing ward, vigor/rally are. And they are more than viable.
But if you really wanna break it down-
Burst heal.
Burst = strong
Heal = restoring health
Sorry nbs, but reapers mark fills that quota when it heals you for 60% of your max health after a kill. You can call it unconventional, you can say it's not viable in Cyrodiil. Sure, I'll give you that, it's probably not. But please do not say it doesn't exist, because it does. It's really not even that much of a stretch to be honest. Through the history of this game, wackier things have been tried. And the opposite morph of Piercing Mark is also a heal on kill, just for less.
Steve, you've played a lot of time on NB and a very little amount of time on other classes. How can you possibly say a class isn't OP when you haven't even dabbled with the others to have anything to compare it to? Play the others and come back to me after when you see what the rest of the classes play like. Cause for now, you sound like a biased nightblade trying to defend his class just like all the others.
Crack "the no burst heal theory" wide open? By using Reapers Mark. Are you insane? It exists in the same way a theoretical foot on top on your head exists: no one wants it and it doesn't do anything useful. But sure. We have a burst heal. Great detective work Jules.
Flat out, you arguing that Reapers Mark is a burst heal is something I never expected from you, you're smarter than that.
As for me defending Nightblade because I'm biased, I'm not the one grasping at straws and pedantically arguing the definition of "burst heal" to try to make my point. And no, I haven't played Sorc and Templar but I play with and against the better ones left in this game, I have a decent idea of where they're at.
Also I'm going DK as my next main so uh, not particularly invested in whatever nerfs you're fishing for. But yeah. I dislike wrong arguments about a class I've played at a competitive level since launch. Get back to me when you actually understand how and why a Nightblade functions, I don't need to play sorc to know how a Nightblade works. If you want to understand it better, play it more. If a Nightblade came into my guild and started telling me this stuff I'd have a sit down and realign his perspective on how to play one.
Id start by taking Reapers Mark off his bar and telling him to befriend a good healing Templar
Sure, you don't need to play sorc, templar or dk to know how a NB works.
But you do need to play them in order to understand how a NB compares to them.
And I'll leave the reapers mark discussion alone after this but honestly, who's being more ridiculous, the person who says their class has no burst heals and meanwhile has a skill that debuffs their target and heals them for 60% of their max health when they die, or the person who points that out. It's not grasping at straws. It's simply looking at your skills and recognizing that they have potential. And NB's have a lot of it.
You're being more ridiculous. You. It was a really silly thing to bring up. I suspect you know better than to actually use it but it was a convenient (if incorrect) counter to my self heal argument. But again, it's a ridiculous thing to even being up. The entire point of a burst heal is that you can get it in a clutch situation to to keep you in the fight. Reapers Mark simply isn't viable. If I'm fighting you and I need a self heal BAD, the solution isn't to to kill you and get 60% max health back, because if I could just KILL you than i don't need the bloody clutch self heal!
Imagine if Dragonknights could only get health back by killing someone? Do I need to bring up the pages you wrote on Green Dragons Blood being useless? Well, it's a billion times better than Reapers Mark. Straight up. Trade me now. Broken DK skill better than my "Nightblade burst heal". This isn't a topic of conversation we agree to disagree on: you're simply wrong. Straight up. It's a bad hill to die on.
And again, I'm pretty solid on how the classes work. I'm not going to tell Teargrants how to play but you better believe I understand what a good sorc is capable of. I'm not a Templar but I study the ones I play against and with, I know what they can do when played right (you should too, you play with Kodi). I actually have a DK (2 ranked ones!). That is to say, I can't tell the experts other class how to play but I can note when they are playing well. I've seen these classes played to potential and they're every bit as good as well played Nightblades.
You're trying to tell me how to play my class. I'm open to arguments on Nightblades being OP. Some of those new DB buffs for example. But you came at this wrong. You started with a plurality of buffs which is basically just saying that Nightblades are too versatile, and than moved on to ignoring my input on what makes Nightblade silly strong, and finished by basically telling me I don't know my class and should learn to burst heal myself with reapers Mark. You want to talk being creative with Nightblade abilities, you should have tried playing one without self heals against pre-nerf DKs. That will teach you to dig deep into the creativity bag quickly.
You can also say this to Dks. Or Manasorcs. Or Temps. They are all OP too with this argument.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.0 -
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To all the NB claiming their class isnt OP, I suggest you try playing a stam sorc where you have 0 stam ultimate, 0 ST ability, 0 class CC, 0 major fracture, 0 class gap closer, 0 empower, and 0 class execute. The imbalance between stam nb and stam sorc is by far one of the most disgusting imbalances in the game at this time.Ehh....
I'd actually agree with the poster above that Stamplar is the best right now. Those guys are insane.
As to Nightblades themselves, I've found the majority of the buffs listed really don't mean or do much. I've played a Nord nightblade for a very long time, and played it to a high level, meaning my passives only just offset the loss of resources my passives give me. I've found the most reliably OP part of a nightblade is not the passives or the minor buffs, but Siphoning Attacks. I could really give a damn about all the other things listed.... SA allows a Nightblade to stack large amounts of damage and not care about regen.
That said, I am finally rolling a DK.
Stam NB is an infinitely more developed stam class than Stamplar.
In comparison to NB, Stamplar has-
No gap closer.
No single target instant cast.
No ultimate.
No empower.
No hard cc.
No major fracture.
Major Resolve and Ward are earned by dropping a restoring focus vs. Using 1 surprise attack
The one thing they have over NB is Major Mending. And that is all.
This is not a logical argument.
Nightblades lack burst heals and shields. If you'd like to branch out into weapon and other skill lines than we have more options, but that doesn't favor your argument as that begins to add the missing pieces to the other classes (gap closers, stuns, ultimates, etc).
What makes a Nightblade a killing machine is a combination of Cloak, Fear and arguably Siphoning Attacks. That's literally it. Everything else is just gravy. If you don't get that than you don't get Nightblade. We can't burst heal like Templars, we can't shield ourselves to the sky like Sorcs and streak around, and.... well I think we're plain better than DKs in 1v1s but DKs get some advantages that really even the playing field in group play and are STUPID tanky. Buff DKs, I guess?
And Jules, for the love of god. I get you play a lot of classes but you're fairly disrespectful to people in here, some of whom have played the class two years longer than you.
Reapers mark heals you for 60% of your max health when you kill an enemy. This does not equate to a "lacking" burst heal. Sure, it's situational and requires killing. Alas, similarly, crit surge for sorcs also functions in this way. It gives you heals for the damage you inflict.
And you can have played nb for longer, but if you think cloak fear and siphoning attacks are the ONLY things that make a nb a killing machine, then I honestly don't know what you've been learning. Nearly every ability is buffed with damage through passives, nearly every ability is either a stun, snare or minor/major maim. Nearly every ability when compared with the equivalent of other classes does more damage and applies more effectives passively.
And you can say I've been disrespectful, however that is not the intent. I disagreed with you on stamplar being stronger and I have a plethora of proof to back that up. Disagreeing with you and saying your argument is illogical is not being disrespectful.
But perhaps other things I've said have been. And for that I am sorry. But when nbs come here telling me "we're not op because XYZ and you're biased and you're toxic and you're crying" and on and on and on, I'm gonna have to call BS. All of these things are merely deflection from the true issue, that nightblade is outperforming the other three classes, and no one wants to bite the bullet and just admit it.
Jules you must stop this madness, stuff like this ruins your credibility when it comes to Nightblades. Reapers Mark a burst heal? For effing real?
Can I hit it when I'm low health to save myself? No? Than its not a burst heal. It's an order of magnitude worse than GDB, it's worse than Rapid Regen because at least Rapid Regen BURST HEALS me for 2k. Do you remember playing Nightblade before vigor and rally? No. I did. Plenty of videos to go with it. Back when my only self heal was Devouring Swarn I still didn't use reapers Mark because when you don't have heals you don't waste bar slots and valuable magica on nonsense.
As to the rest, again, the rest is gravy. You don't fight a nightblade and think "awwww naw he's gonna Major Fracture me!" or "I hope he doesn't have his OP minor brutality up cuz than I'm done for!" You should be concerned about SA functioning like an extra 1k stat regen, worried about fear draining your stamina or CCing you at just the wrong time, worried about a cloak ruining your big damage combo and letting him reposition for a big damage burst of his own. These are skills that make NBs tick on Stam or magica, core class skills that matter. On my Stam blade I don't even run most listed buffs because I can't spare bar space or magica.
I can't imagine what prompted you to make this thread on such a flimsy premise. Next time you want Nightblades Nerfed ask me and I'll give you a list. That way you won't accidentally get our "burst heal" Nerfed for being too OP or something.
Luv u Jules but that post was nonsense, and the original post doesn't do anything more than show Nightblades have good versatility. If you really want them Nerfed, look at the big ticket items.
The purpose was not to say hey, everyone run reapers mark in Cyrodiil its super good and totally viable.
The purpose was to crack this "nb's have no burst heals" theory wide open.
And if we're being real with ourselves, though reapers mark is never used, healing ward, vigor/rally are. And they are more than viable.
But if you really wanna break it down-
Burst heal.
Burst = strong
Heal = restoring health
Sorry nbs, but reapers mark fills that quota when it heals you for 60% of your max health after a kill. You can call it unconventional, you can say it's not viable in Cyrodiil. Sure, I'll give you that, it's probably not. But please do not say it doesn't exist, because it does. It's really not even that much of a stretch to be honest. Through the history of this game, wackier things have been tried. And the opposite morph of Piercing Mark is also a heal on kill, just for less.
Steve, you've played a lot of time on NB and a very little amount of time on other classes. How can you possibly say a class isn't OP when you haven't even dabbled with the others to have anything to compare it to? Play the others and come back to me after when you see what the rest of the classes play like. Cause for now, you sound like a biased nightblade trying to defend his class just like all the others.
Crack "the no burst heal theory" wide open? By using Reapers Mark. Are you insane? It exists in the same way a theoretical foot on top on your head exists: no one wants it and it doesn't do anything useful. But sure. We have a burst heal. Great detective work Jules.
Flat out, you arguing that Reapers Mark is a burst heal is something I never expected from you, you're smarter than that.
As for me defending Nightblade because I'm biased, I'm not the one grasping at straws and pedantically arguing the definition of "burst heal" to try to make my point. And no, I haven't played Sorc and Templar but I play with and against the better ones left in this game, I have a decent idea of where they're at.
Also I'm going DK as my next main so uh, not particularly invested in whatever nerfs you're fishing for. But yeah. I dislike wrong arguments about a class I've played at a competitive level since launch. Get back to me when you actually understand how and why a Nightblade functions, I don't need to play sorc to know how a Nightblade works. If you want to understand it better, play it more. If a Nightblade came into my guild and started telling me this stuff I'd have a sit down and realign his perspective on how to play one.
Id start by taking Reapers Mark off his bar and telling him to befriend a good healing Templar
Sure, you don't need to play sorc, templar or dk to know how a NB works.
But you do need to play them in order to understand how a NB compares to them.
And I'll leave the reapers mark discussion alone after this but honestly, who's being more ridiculous, the person who says their class has no burst heals and meanwhile has a skill that debuffs their target and heals them for 60% of their max health when they die, or the person who points that out. It's not grasping at straws. It's simply looking at your skills and recognizing that they have potential. And NB's have a lot of it.
You're being more ridiculous. You. It was a really silly thing to bring up. I suspect you know better than to actually use it but it was a convenient (if incorrect) counter to my self heal argument. But again, it's a ridiculous thing to even being up. The entire point of a burst heal is that you can get it in a clutch situation to to keep you in the fight. Reapers Mark simply isn't viable. If I'm fighting you and I need a self heal BAD, the solution isn't to to kill you and get 60% max health back, because if I could just KILL you than i don't need the bloody clutch self heal!
Imagine if Dragonknights could only get health back by killing someone? Do I need to bring up the pages you wrote on Green Dragons Blood being useless? Well, it's a billion times better than Reapers Mark. Straight up. Trade me now. Broken DK skill better than my "Nightblade burst heal". This isn't a topic of conversation we agree to disagree on: you're simply wrong. Straight up. It's a bad hill to die on.
And again, I'm pretty solid on how the classes work. I'm not going to tell Teargrants how to play but you better believe I understand what a good sorc is capable of. I'm not a Templar but I study the ones I play against and with, I know what they can do when played right (you should too, you play with Kodi). I actually have a DK (2 ranked ones!). That is to say, I can't tell the experts other class how to play but I can note when they are playing well. I've seen these classes played to potential and they're every bit as good as well played Nightblades.
You're trying to tell me how to play my class. I'm open to arguments on Nightblades being OP. Some of those new DB buffs for example. But you came at this wrong. You started with a plurality of buffs which is basically just saying that Nightblades are too versatile, and than moved on to ignoring my input on what makes Nightblade silly strong, and finished by basically telling me I don't know my class and should learn to burst heal myself with reapers Mark. You want to talk being creative with Nightblade abilities, you should have tried playing one without self heals against pre-nerf DKs. That will teach you to dig deep into the creativity bag quickly.
You can also say this to Dks. Or Manasorcs. Or Temps. They are all OP too with this argument.
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kuro-dono✭✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »I wonder what the leaderboards look like.
According to the logic to this thread they should be all nightblades atop them. I mean they have the best buffs, so they are "the best" right?
Reality doesn't seem to match the hype it seems.
Metrics count.. conjecture doesn't.
Maelstrom arena from 1 to 98 are ALL dks. Weekly leaderboard, all dks.
PVP haderus, they MUST all be nightblades based on the irrefutable evidence presented... but lo and behold it's not like that at all. P.S. it never really is.
So other than possibly available buffs, what do nightblades lead in that can be measured? My guess is nerf nightblade threads.
you forget one thing. it only shows your class. how do i know this? weekly atm there is 37 templar at pc eu.
did you know? sorcs and nbs:s both nearly at 100 unless they are already above, last time i checked was 2 day ago.
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I'd actually agree with the poster above that Stamplar is the best right now. Those guys are insane.
As to Nightblades themselves, I've found the majority of the buffs listed really don't mean or do much. I've played a Nord nightblade for a very long time, and played it to a high level, meaning my passives only just offset the loss of resources my passives give me. I've found the most reliably OP part of a nightblade is not the passives or the minor buffs, but Siphoning Attacks. I could really give a damn about all the other things listed.... SA allows a Nightblade to stack large amounts of damage and not care about regen.
That said, I am finally rolling a DK.
Stam NB is an infinitely more developed stam class than Stamplar.
In comparison to NB, Stamplar has-
No gap closer.
No single target instant cast.
No ultimate.
No empower.
No hard cc.
No major fracture.
Major Resolve and Ward are earned by dropping a restoring focus vs. Using 1 surprise attack
The one thing they have over NB is Major Mending. And that is all.
This is not a logical argument.
Nightblades lack burst heals and shields. If you'd like to branch out into weapon and other skill lines than we have more options, but that doesn't favor your argument as that begins to add the missing pieces to the other classes (gap closers, stuns, ultimates, etc).
What makes a Nightblade a killing machine is a combination of Cloak, Fear and arguably Siphoning Attacks. That's literally it. Everything else is just gravy. If you don't get that than you don't get Nightblade. We can't burst heal like Templars, we can't shield ourselves to the sky like Sorcs and streak around, and.... well I think we're plain better than DKs in 1v1s but DKs get some advantages that really even the playing field in group play and are STUPID tanky. Buff DKs, I guess?
And Jules, for the love of god. I get you play a lot of classes but you're fairly disrespectful to people in here, some of whom have played the class two years longer than you.
Reapers mark heals you for 60% of your max health when you kill an enemy. This does not equate to a "lacking" burst heal. Sure, it's situational and requires killing. Alas, similarly, crit surge for sorcs also functions in this way. It gives you heals for the damage you inflict.
And you can have played nb for longer, but if you think cloak fear and siphoning attacks are the ONLY things that make a nb a killing machine, then I honestly don't know what you've been learning. Nearly every ability is buffed with damage through passives, nearly every ability is either a stun, snare or minor/major maim. Nearly every ability when compared with the equivalent of other classes does more damage and applies more effectives passively.
And you can say I've been disrespectful, however that is not the intent. I disagreed with you on stamplar being stronger and I have a plethora of proof to back that up. Disagreeing with you and saying your argument is illogical is not being disrespectful.
But perhaps other things I've said have been. And for that I am sorry. But when nbs come here telling me "we're not op because XYZ and you're biased and you're toxic and you're crying" and on and on and on, I'm gonna have to call BS. All of these things are merely deflection from the true issue, that nightblade is outperforming the other three classes, and no one wants to bite the bullet and just admit it.
Jules you must stop this madness, stuff like this ruins your credibility when it comes to Nightblades. Reapers Mark a burst heal? For effing real?
Can I hit it when I'm low health to save myself? No? Than its not a burst heal. It's an order of magnitude worse than GDB, it's worse than Rapid Regen because at least Rapid Regen BURST HEALS me for 2k. Do you remember playing Nightblade before vigor and rally? No. I did. Plenty of videos to go with it. Back when my only self heal was Devouring Swarn I still didn't use reapers Mark because when you don't have heals you don't waste bar slots and valuable magica on nonsense.
As to the rest, again, the rest is gravy. You don't fight a nightblade and think "awwww naw he's gonna Major Fracture me!" or "I hope he doesn't have his OP minor brutality up cuz than I'm done for!" You should be concerned about SA functioning like an extra 1k stat regen, worried about fear draining your stamina or CCing you at just the wrong time, worried about a cloak ruining your big damage combo and letting him reposition for a big damage burst of his own. These are skills that make NBs tick on Stam or magica, core class skills that matter. On my Stam blade I don't even run most listed buffs because I can't spare bar space or magica.
I can't imagine what prompted you to make this thread on such a flimsy premise. Next time you want Nightblades Nerfed ask me and I'll give you a list. That way you won't accidentally get our "burst heal" Nerfed for being too OP or something.
Luv u Jules but that post was nonsense, and the original post doesn't do anything more than show Nightblades have good versatility. If you really want them Nerfed, look at the big ticket items.
The purpose was not to say hey, everyone run reapers mark in Cyrodiil its super good and totally viable.
The purpose was to crack this "nb's have no burst heals" theory wide open.
And if we're being real with ourselves, though reapers mark is never used, healing ward, vigor/rally are. And they are more than viable.
But if you really wanna break it down-
Burst heal.
Burst = strong
Heal = restoring health
Sorry nbs, but reapers mark fills that quota when it heals you for 60% of your max health after a kill. You can call it unconventional, you can say it's not viable in Cyrodiil. Sure, I'll give you that, it's probably not. But please do not say it doesn't exist, because it does. It's really not even that much of a stretch to be honest. Through the history of this game, wackier things have been tried. And the opposite morph of Piercing Mark is also a heal on kill, just for less.
Steve, you've played a lot of time on NB and a very little amount of time on other classes. How can you possibly say a class isn't OP when you haven't even dabbled with the others to have anything to compare it to? Play the others and come back to me after when you see what the rest of the classes play like. Cause for now, you sound like a biased nightblade trying to defend his class just like all the others.
Crack "the no burst heal theory" wide open? By using Reapers Mark. Are you insane? It exists in the same way a theoretical foot on top on your head exists: no one wants it and it doesn't do anything useful. But sure. We have a burst heal. Great detective work Jules.
Flat out, you arguing that Reapers Mark is a burst heal is something I never expected from you, you're smarter than that.
As for me defending Nightblade because I'm biased, I'm not the one grasping at straws and pedantically arguing the definition of "burst heal" to try to make my point. And no, I haven't played Sorc and Templar but I play with and against the better ones left in this game, I have a decent idea of where they're at.
Also I'm going DK as my next main so uh, not particularly invested in whatever nerfs you're fishing for. But yeah. I dislike wrong arguments about a class I've played at a competitive level since launch. Get back to me when you actually understand how and why a Nightblade functions, I don't need to play sorc to know how a Nightblade works. If you want to understand it better, play it more. If a Nightblade came into my guild and started telling me this stuff I'd have a sit down and realign his perspective on how to play one.
Id start by taking Reapers Mark off his bar and telling him to befriend a good healing Templar
Sure, you don't need to play sorc, templar or dk to know how a NB works.
But you do need to play them in order to understand how a NB compares to them.
And I'll leave the reapers mark discussion alone after this but honestly, who's being more ridiculous, the person who says their class has no burst heals and meanwhile has a skill that debuffs their target and heals them for 60% of their max health when they die, or the person who points that out. It's not grasping at straws. It's simply looking at your skills and recognizing that they have potential. And NB's have a lot of it.
You're being more ridiculous. You. It was a really silly thing to bring up. I suspect you know better than to actually use it but it was a convenient (if incorrect) counter to my self heal argument. But again, it's a ridiculous thing to even being up. The entire point of a burst heal is that you can get it in a clutch situation to to keep you in the fight. Reapers Mark simply isn't viable. If I'm fighting you and I need a self heal BAD, the solution isn't to to kill you and get 60% max health back, because if I could just KILL you than i don't need the bloody clutch self heal!
Imagine if Dragonknights could only get health back by killing someone? Do I need to bring up the pages you wrote on Green Dragons Blood being useless? Well, it's a billion times better than Reapers Mark. Straight up. Trade me now. Broken DK skill better than my "Nightblade burst heal". This isn't a topic of conversation we agree to disagree on: you're simply wrong. Straight up. It's a bad hill to die on.
And again, I'm pretty solid on how the classes work. I'm not going to tell Teargrants how to play but you better believe I understand what a good sorc is capable of. I'm not a Templar but I study the ones I play against and with, I know what they can do when played right (you should too, you play with Kodi). I actually have a DK (2 ranked ones!). That is to say, I can't tell the experts other class how to play but I can note when they are playing well. I've seen these classes played to potential and they're every bit as good as well played Nightblades.
You're trying to tell me how to play my class. I'm open to arguments on Nightblades being OP. Some of those new DB buffs for example. But you came at this wrong. You started with a plurality of buffs which is basically just saying that Nightblades are too versatile, and than moved on to ignoring my input on what makes Nightblade silly strong, and finished by basically telling me I don't know my class and should learn to burst heal myself with reapers Mark. You want to talk being creative with Nightblade abilities, you should have tried playing one without self heals against pre-nerf DKs. That will teach you to dig deep into the creativity bag quickly.
I don't need to play with Kodi to know what templars are capable of or how they compare to NB's. I play Templar. I have 3 of them. I also have 1 sorc, 2 DK and 2 NB, all v16, maxed, geared, and all above assault/support 10. I have a very good understanding of how each class operates both in group and small scale PVP and how they all compare to one another. I don't need to observe other people doing this or ask them their opinions on the classes, because I have experienced it myself, which is simply not the same level of understanding that you get from observing others.
To all the NB claiming their class isnt OP, I suggest you try playing a stam sorc where you have 0 stam ultimate, 0 ST ability, 0 class CC, 0 major fracture, 0 class gap closer, 0 empower, and 0 class execute. The imbalance between stam nb and stam sorc is by far one of the most disgusting imbalances in the game at this time.
And I never tried to tell you how to play your class steve. You're getting all hung up on Reaper's Mark as if I said it was OP and the golden ticket to NB heals. I simply pointed out the truth, that it is a burst heal. One that you overlooked.
I did not overlook it. I looked at it plenty and determined it was ***. Like all the other Nightblades with half a brain did. The only reason I'm hung up on it is because you won't back down from it. If I can't get you to back off one tiny position you took that is clearly, objectively and demonstratively wrong than what hope do I have of convincing you of anything else?
As for the rest, I feel this is a good example of WHY experience with a class counts for something. I've played NB since day one, every spec imaginable. Hell I played a Stam NB back before peiope knew what that was. You tell me I overlooked Reapers Mark, and I tell you that I've been there, done that, tried it, it's not viable. That you even being it up shows how little you've really experimented with Nightblade. it's not surprising, you rolled Nightblade and immediately went to the FoTM specs, magica bomb Nightblade and Stam roll around Blade. Which I don't blame you for, play what works. But I'm absolutely going to call you out for incorrectly trying to tell me how to play based on such a shallow play sample.
Stam sorcs are also not a viable argument. Them being weak does not mean every other class must be just as weak. I'd argue a good magica sorc > Stam or magica Nightblade. Almost everything is better than a Stam sorc, it has nothing to do with Nightblades.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »It's ridiculous that a max level build can heal through and take a full on DPS assault from two, three, 4+ max level enemy players and literally just sit there and spam heals without pretty much any care at all.
This only happens when there is an extreme mismatch between players. I promise you, no one is gonna be able to simply face tank 2+ players of equal skill. The problem here isn't that healing is too much, it's that you're chasing people you aren't qualified to successfully fight.
It's pretty hilarious that these forum blades are accusing major mending and healing of being unbalanced. You nerf healing/defenses and who stands to benefit the most? Oh right, the class with the best offensive capabilities across the board. What a coincidence that you lot would be opposed to healing and defenses.
I personally don't have an issue with NBs. I think they are the most complete class and zose would do well to make the other 3 as well rounded as NB is currently. The damage NBs do is very powerful, but that's what the class is about so I'll deal with it. Likewise, Templars and DKs are about tankiness and sustain. Deal with it.1 -
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Competetive level like this?But yeah. I dislike wrong arguments about a class I've played at a competitive level since launch. Get back to me when you actually understand how and why a Nightblade functions, I don't need to play sorc to know how a Nightblade works. If you want to understand it better, play it more. If a Nightblade came into my guild and started telling me this stuff I'd have a sit down and realign his perspective on how to play one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkUEepRgkd8
The flip side of the same coin: https://youtu.be/iWEjA18SrFk?t=20m25s
NBs To all the NB claiming their class isnt OP, I suggest you try playing a stam sorc where you have 0 stam ultimate, 0 ST ability, 0 class CC, 0 major fracture, 0 class gap closer, 0 empower, and 0 class execute. The imbalance between stam nb and stam sorc is by far one of the most disgusting imbalances in the game at this time.
And I never tried to tell you how to play your class steve. You're getting all hung up on Reaper's Mark as if I said it was OP and the golden ticket to NB heals. I simply pointed out the truth, that it is a burst heal. One that you overlooked.
I've played one (probably my 3rd most played character), and on Live I must say - it's not pretty. Perhaps comparing stamina nightblade to the weakest build in the game at the moment is adequate, as they're both almost on the same level.
In next patch however, stamina sorcerer has a lot of potential. They only lack a decent burst heal, that'd turn them into absolute monsters. What a shame they don't have Reaper's Mark like Nightblades....6