Why NB's are OP in 1 picture

Abob · May 2016

Most op class right now is probably stamina templar, not nb.

rfennell_ESO · May 2016

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Not going to critique the obvious bias to the "list", but reality is you really need to look at how many are realistically in use with 10 ability slots.

Furthermore all those buffs are really split between stamina and magicka.

A list cannot be biased when it simply lists facts without opinion.
These are the facts, these are the major and minor skills that each class receives, these are the stam skills available on each class. That is a FACT. It is not biased whatsoever.

If anything, it would be more biased to say "well take into consideration xyz...." No.
These are the major and minor buffs that every class has access to. Of course we all have access to the other skill trees but these are the toolkits each class receives to work with.

Creating a list of all available buffs and debuffs isn't anything but a "nerf nightblades" attempt, which is obviously biased.

Fact is that no nightblade could ever possibly have even a fraction of them available at one time.

So what does "the list" prove?

Proves irrefutably that NB's have more access to buffs than any other class. More options = more ability to build the way you choose. And if you truly think it would be difficult to obtain "even a fraction" of these buffs consider-

main bar- ambush, surprise attack, mass hysteria, power extraction, rally incap strike
off bar - piercing mark, double take, relentless focus, vigor, dark cloak , soul tether

yeah... i think not.

Toxic players are toxic forum posters.

That's the only thing it proves.

PS find a nightblade that would even be effective with that setup lol.

You can get nasty and attack me as a person all you want. This isn't about getting personal it's about the truth. And the truth is NB has more access to damage, survivability, and sustain than any other class.

Truth of the matter is that wouldn't be an ideal setup but it honestly wouldn't be that bad either.

You'd have a gap closer thats also an empower a stun and snare, a single target stam ability, a hard aoe cc, 2 heals, cheap ulti that stuns and does good damage, 20% dodge chance, major expedition, major fracture from both SA and piercing mark, major breach from piercing mark, 10% stam regen and procced assassin's scourge from LA's, an escape that also gives you minor protection and a stun from soul tether.

I don't think there is any reasoning with you, and I only stated what I know from you in game and how logic and reason will obviously not be effective with you.

Why don't you put a best possible buffs in one build together for the other classes and see what they would be lacking versus the nightblade?

Because that would also be a biased comparison. It's taking the best builds for this patch and trying to suggest the classes are indeed fair/balanced when those too are snapshots of how each class fits in the pvp totem-pole.

Best picture would be a pro/con list, a strong build example and a weak build example. Also show which weapon lines, diseases, armor lines, etc benefit the synergies for each class/race combo.

In the end it comes down to how instant-cast abilities rise above the effectivness of DOTS/Channels in pvp. The class that embraces/synergies with quick AC attacks will burst and win.

That sort of was my point.

I think you could "generate" a huge buff list loadout for every class.

It's focusing on the trees despite the forest.

I will say this: From stealth nightblades are by far the most OP class. Out of stealth... probably not.

There it is. Counter det pots Mage light aoe.

Truth is those things do very little to counter a NB from stealth that engages you from range with ambush or a bow heavy attack ;p

That's more of a l2p issue most nb's that use a bow are kinda scrubish. that first attack is all they got. if you can survive the initial hit the ball will be in your court. no ones got my ninja speed so most night blades can't out run det pots. Or Mage light if your up close and personal.

Most of the gank builds are using a bow heavy attack to start and the bow bar is mostly buffs and the run speed after dodge roll. Their main bar is for killing you (usually 2h).

I know from the stamina nb pov... that engaging with a full charged bow heavy attack from behind and then ambush->surprise attack... it's pretty much over and that annoys people to no end.

Minno wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

It is only useful as an excuse for stupid and biased people to trash the NB class. Essentially, Jules is Trumping us.

.........what?....

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Toxic players are toxic forum posters.

That's the only thing it proves.

PS find a nightblade that would even be effective with that setup lol.

@Jules is a toxic player? Please tell me your kidding, you have to be...im not even going to remotely entertain that your even serious. She has brought up very valid points here, these personal attacks towards her are very childish. She has also invested far more time into making vidoes of how to beat VWGT and VICP when they first came out, along with a plethora of other stuff, and you have to tip your hat to her for investing the time to do all of that.

there is such a thing as class....you can disagree with someone respectfully without being venomous....has it really come to this?

Agreed. Jules is the last person I'd consider toxic, if at all.

If they are your faction you never seem to know.

If they aren't... well you eventually find out their reputation and ofttimes receive it personally.

Regardless of that, there is no debating some people as they are oblivious to anything resembling a counter point.

Anyways, what the top "dueling" class right now? It's not nightblade, "BUT THEY HAVE ALL THE BUFFS SO THEY MUST BE BEST". This is the problem with bias.

EsoRecon · May 2016

You guys are all blinded by hate for other classes. Quit calling for nerfs. HEY, ever thought of maybe buffing the other classes so they match NB? Huh???????

stupid

AfkNinja · May 2016

Abob wrote: »

Most op class right now is probably stamina templar, not nb.

Rohamad_Ali · May 2016

The most OP class right now is a Treb with a VD tarp over it .

Jules · May 2016

Abob wrote: »

Most op class right now is probably stamina templar, not nb.

lol. Proof?

Jules · May 2016

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Not going to critique the obvious bias to the "list", but reality is you really need to look at how many are realistically in use with 10 ability slots.

Furthermore all those buffs are really split between stamina and magicka.

A list cannot be biased when it simply lists facts without opinion.
These are the facts, these are the major and minor skills that each class receives, these are the stam skills available on each class. That is a FACT. It is not biased whatsoever.

If anything, it would be more biased to say "well take into consideration xyz...." No.
These are the major and minor buffs that every class has access to. Of course we all have access to the other skill trees but these are the toolkits each class receives to work with.

Creating a list of all available buffs and debuffs isn't anything but a "nerf nightblades" attempt, which is obviously biased.

Fact is that no nightblade could ever possibly have even a fraction of them available at one time.

So what does "the list" prove?

Proves irrefutably that NB's have more access to buffs than any other class. More options = more ability to build the way you choose. And if you truly think it would be difficult to obtain "even a fraction" of these buffs consider-

main bar- ambush, surprise attack, mass hysteria, power extraction, rally incap strike
off bar - piercing mark, double take, relentless focus, vigor, dark cloak , soul tether

yeah... i think not.

Toxic players are toxic forum posters.

That's the only thing it proves.

PS find a nightblade that would even be effective with that setup lol.

You can get nasty and attack me as a person all you want. This isn't about getting personal it's about the truth. And the truth is NB has more access to damage, survivability, and sustain than any other class.

Truth of the matter is that wouldn't be an ideal setup but it honestly wouldn't be that bad either.

You'd have a gap closer thats also an empower a stun and snare, a single target stam ability, a hard aoe cc, 2 heals, cheap ulti that stuns and does good damage, 20% dodge chance, major expedition, major fracture from both SA and piercing mark, major breach from piercing mark, 10% stam regen and procced assassin's scourge from LA's, an escape that also gives you minor protection and a stun from soul tether.

I don't think there is any reasoning with you, and I only stated what I know from you in game and how logic and reason will obviously not be effective with you.

Why don't you put a best possible buffs in one build together for the other classes and see what they would be lacking versus the nightblade?

Because that would also be a biased comparison. It's taking the best builds for this patch and trying to suggest the classes are indeed fair/balanced when those too are snapshots of how each class fits in the pvp totem-pole.

Best picture would be a pro/con list, a strong build example and a weak build example. Also show which weapon lines, diseases, armor lines, etc benefit the synergies for each class/race combo.

In the end it comes down to how instant-cast abilities rise above the effectivness of DOTS/Channels in pvp. The class that embraces/synergies with quick AC attacks will burst and win.

That sort of was my point.

I think you could "generate" a huge buff list loadout for every class.

It's focusing on the trees despite the forest.

I will say this: From stealth nightblades are by far the most OP class. Out of stealth... probably not.

There it is. Counter det pots Mage light aoe.

Truth is those things do very little to counter a NB from stealth that engages you from range with ambush or a bow heavy attack ;p

That's more of a l2p issue most nb's that use a bow are kinda scrubish. that first attack is all they got. if you can survive the initial hit the ball will be in your court. no ones got my ninja speed so most night blades can't out run det pots. Or Mage light if your up close and personal.

Most of the gank builds are using a bow heavy attack to start and the bow bar is mostly buffs and the run speed after dodge roll. Their main bar is for killing you (usually 2h).

I know from the stamina nb pov... that engaging with a full charged bow heavy attack from behind and then ambush->surprise attack... it's pretty much over and that annoys people to no end.

Minno wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

It is only useful as an excuse for stupid and biased people to trash the NB class. Essentially, Jules is Trumping us.

.........what?....

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Toxic players are toxic forum posters.

That's the only thing it proves.

PS find a nightblade that would even be effective with that setup lol.

@Jules is a toxic player? Please tell me your kidding, you have to be...im not even going to remotely entertain that your even serious. She has brought up very valid points here, these personal attacks towards her are very childish. She has also invested far more time into making vidoes of how to beat VWGT and VICP when they first came out, along with a plethora of other stuff, and you have to tip your hat to her for investing the time to do all of that.

there is such a thing as class....you can disagree with someone respectfully without being venomous....has it really come to this?

Agreed. Jules is the last person I'd consider toxic, if at all.

If they are your faction you never seem to know.

If they aren't... well you eventually find out their reputation and ofttimes receive it personally.

Regardless of that, there is no debating some people as they are oblivious to anything resembling a counter point.

Anyways, what the top "dueling" class right now? It's not nightblade, "BUT THEY HAVE ALL THE BUFFS SO THEY MUST BE BEST". This is the problem with bias.

I'm sorry what faction am I now? Cause pretty sure I play all of them.
Also, it's somewhat disturbing that you seem to "know" me and yet I have no idea who you are and cannot recall interacting with you ever.

And if you wanted to actually debate you'd have responded to my last post where I broke down a few of the class defining skills. However, you glossed right over it and responded to everyone else. LOL

[Minor edit to remove insult]

Derra · May 2016

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Anyways, what the top "dueling" class right now? It's not nightblade, "BUT THEY HAVE ALL THE BUFFS SO THEY MUST BE BEST". This is the problem with bias.

So you´re saying nerf stam DK?

Burning_Talons · May 2016

EsoRecon wrote: »

Nightblades aren't OP. They are just the most complete class. Nightblades don't need to be nerfed, the other classes need to be buffed.

You sig makes your bias opinion invalid

Derra · May 2016

Burning_Talons wrote: »

EsoRecon wrote: »

Nightblades aren't OP. They are just the most complete class. Nightblades don't need to be nerfed, the other classes need to be buffed.

You sig makes your bias opinion invalid

He´s right though. I would wish for every class to have the option to play magica melee + range with various weapon/set combinations aswell as stamina with various loadouts.

Atm NB is the completest class and thats partly because of the plenthora of buffs they can access to accomodate for every playstyle.

EsoRecon · May 2016

Burning_Talons wrote: »

EsoRecon wrote: »

Nightblades aren't OP. They are just the most complete class. Nightblades don't need to be nerfed, the other classes need to be buffed.

You sig makes your bias opinion invalid

um, I don't think my sig matters at all. btw im saying BUFF all the other classes. So helping your nub mag dk out again. I think my opinion is only beneficial to you.

Satiar · May 2016

Ehh....

I'd actually agree with the poster above that Stamplar is the best right now. Those guys are insane.

As to Nightblades themselves, I've found the majority of the buffs listed really don't mean or do much. I've played a Nord nightblade for a very long time, and played it to a high level, meaning my passives only just offset the loss of resources my passives give me. I've found the most reliably OP part of a nightblade is not the passives or the minor buffs, but Siphoning Attacks. I could really give a damn about all the other things listed.... SA allows a Nightblade to stack large amounts of damage and not care about regen.

That said, I am finally rolling a DK.

EsoRecon · May 2016

Derra wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

EsoRecon wrote: »

Nightblades aren't OP. They are just the most complete class. Nightblades don't need to be nerfed, the other classes need to be buffed.

You sig makes your bias opinion invalid

He´s right though. I would wish for every class to have the option to play magica melee + range with various weapon/set combinations aswell as stamina with various loadouts.

Atm NB is the completest class and thats partly because of the plenthora of buffs they can access to accomodate for every playstyle.

TY

Rune_Relic · May 2016

Jules wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Exploitation passive. - minor prophecy

I saw this but purposefully did not include major/minor buffs that were exclusively for allies. I only included buffs that applied to self.

Ah I see.... fair dos

rfennell_ESO · May 2016

Derra wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Anyways, what the top "dueling" class right now? It's not nightblade, "BUT THEY HAVE ALL THE BUFFS SO THEY MUST BE BEST". This is the problem with bias.

So you´re saying nerf stam DK?

Nah. I just don't think it's relevant to cyro and the alliance war as to who is the best as 1v1.

Just saying that if that was your issue you could make a rant about how they need to be nerfed over it... even though it's mostly irrelevant.

In realm combat templars are the most powerful class. Mostly because they heal and heal a bit too well. But that's fine, it's not like one faction is the only one with templars.

AfkNinja · May 2016

@Minno

That deserves an awesome.

Burning_Talons · May 2016

EsoRecon wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

EsoRecon wrote: »

Nightblades aren't OP. They are just the most complete class. Nightblades don't need to be nerfed, the other classes need to be buffed.

You sig makes your bias opinion invalid

um, I don't think my sig matters at all. btw im saying BUFF all the other classes. So helping your nub mag dk out again. I think my opinion is only beneficial to you.

I cant agree for buffs to my class as my sig makes it bias.

Jules · May 2016

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Exploitation passive. - minor prophecy

I saw this but purposefully did not include major/minor buffs that were exclusively for allies. I only included buffs that applied to self.

Ah I see.... fair dos

Thank you for your attempts to help though!! appreciate it

Rune_Relic · May 2016

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Why Dragonknights, Templars, and Sorcerers are underpowered in 1 picture. Nightblades are really good in so many facets of game - casual questing, VMSA, solo PvP, group PvE, group PvP. ZOS should be spending day and night researching Nightblades and saying to themselves, "Why are Nightblades so versatile and balanced? How can we use what we have learned from Nightblades to improve other classes without just turning them into Nightblades?"

And I think this chart actually gets us a bit closer to why Nightblades are such a good class. And how you could improve other classes without turning them into Nightblades. Basically, more and better access to buffs. Class passives that are just about always useful instead of niche or gimmicky. More stam morphs. And so on.

So to sum up then.
Options. Lots of them....'equally' viable.
AKA balance.

rfennell_ESO · May 2016

The point that can be made is that nightblades support the biggest variety of builds.

That's true and I think that's all the "list" shows.

Does that make them OP versus their counterparts? You can debate that... but an effective build is effective. Having more than one or two of them is nice and there should be more of it. But it doesn't necessarily make one class way more powerful than the others.

Jules · May 2016

Satiar wrote: »

Ehh....

I'd actually agree with the poster above that Stamplar is the best right now. Those guys are insane.

As to Nightblades themselves, I've found the majority of the buffs listed really don't mean or do much. I've played a Nord nightblade for a very long time, and played it to a high level, meaning my passives only just offset the loss of resources my passives give me. I've found the most reliably OP part of a nightblade is not the passives or the minor buffs, but Siphoning Attacks. I could really give a damn about all the other things listed.... SA allows a Nightblade to stack large amounts of damage and not care about regen.

That said, I am finally rolling a DK.

Stam NB is an infinitely more developed stam class than Stamplar.

In comparison to NB, Stamplar has-

No gap closer.
No single target instant cast.
No ultimate.
No empower.
No hard cc.
No major fracture.

Major Resolve and Ward are earned by dropping a restoring focus vs. Using 1 surprise attack

The one thing they have over NB is Major Mending. And that is all.

This is not a logical argument.

MichYodias · May 2016

I agree nightblades are the most balanced and versatile class and when DB drops they could very well be the best class for stam and mag. Harness is going to make soloing on a magblade much more viable, which I think is pretty much the only current weaknesses of the class (and im not talking solo zerg dive vd prox tether bombing).

The solution here isn't to nerf nightblades but rather bring other classes up to nightblades for stam and mag. Heck maybe its time for a 4th class skill line to help make up ground (please an ice line for sorc it just makes sense and there isn't enough ice damage in game). I dont necessarily like the balance attempt zos is doing via weapon skills. I would rather the weapons compliment the classes not the other way around like it is becoming for stam builds.

PainfulFAFA · May 2016

Abob wrote: »

Most op class right now is probably stamina templar, not nb.

Kinda agree with you, out of all the stam playstyles, i'd say stamplar is the easiest.. NBs have so many buffs but what good are buffs when you get rekt in 1-2 clean shots.

Stamplars on the other hand, the only class that can still "perma roll". You get a free purge, free armor buffs, and both give major mending for using it. Refreshes when you step back in.. etc.

Zheg · May 2016

Jules wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Not going to critique the obvious bias to the "list", but reality is you really need to look at how many are realistically in use with 10 ability slots.

Furthermore all those buffs are really split between stamina and magicka.

A list cannot be biased when it simply lists facts without opinion.
These are the facts, these are the major and minor skills that each class receives, these are the stam skills available on each class. That is a FACT. It is not biased whatsoever.

If anything, it would be more biased to say "well take into consideration xyz...." No.
These are the major and minor buffs that every class has access to. Of course we all have access to the other skill trees but these are the toolkits each class receives to work with.

Creating a list of all available buffs and debuffs isn't anything but a "nerf nightblades" attempt, which is obviously biased.

Fact is that no nightblade could ever possibly have even a fraction of them available at one time.

So what does "the list" prove?

Proves irrefutably that NB's have more access to buffs than any other class. More options = more ability to build the way you choose. And if you truly think it would be difficult to obtain "even a fraction" of these buffs consider-

main bar- ambush, surprise attack, mass hysteria, power extraction, rally incap strike
off bar - piercing mark, double take, relentless focus, vigor, dark cloak , soul tether

yeah... i think not.

Toxic players are toxic forum posters.

That's the only thing it proves.

PS find a nightblade that would even be effective with that setup lol.

You can get nasty and attack me as a person all you want.

uhhh, this is MY job thank you very much. And im far better at it too. All of these amateurs...

Lyar09 · May 2016

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Abob wrote: »

Most op class right now is probably stamina templar, not nb.

Kinda agree with you, out of all the stam playstyles, i'd say stamplar is the easiest.. NBs have so many buffs but what good are buffs when you get rekt in 1-2 clean shots.

Stamplars on the other hand, the only class that can still "perma roll". You get a free purge, free armor buffs, and both give major mending for using it. Refreshes when you step back in.. etc.

Have you played stamplar? I'm just curious. I'm not saying that stamplar isn't strong, but I wouldn't say it is the strongest stam class. Most people who say stamplar is the easiest roll a stamplar and end up quiting it because it isn't as easy as it looks

AfkNinja · May 2016

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Abob wrote: »

Most op class right now is probably stamina templar, not nb.

Kinda agree with you, out of all the stam playstyles, i'd say stamplar is the easiest.. NBs have so many buffs but what good are buffs when you get rekt in 1-2 clean shots.

Stamplars on the other hand, the only class that can still "perma roll". You get a free purge, free armor buffs, and both give major mending for using it. Refreshes when you step back in.. etc.

What are you smoking? I want some. Free purge? Free armor? What about it is free? it costs magicka same as everyone else....except Nightblade who gets it for free for using a class skill. (Shadow Barrier)

Rune_Relic · May 2016

MichYodias wrote: »

I agree nightblades are the most balanced and versatile class and when DB drops they could very well be the best class for stam and mag. Harness is going to make soloing on a magblade much more viable, which I think is pretty much the only current weaknesses of the class (and im not talking solo zerg dive vd prox tether bombing).

The solution here isn't to nerf nightblades but rather bring other classes up to nightblades for stam and mag. Heck maybe its time for a 4th class skill line to help make up ground (please an ice line for sorc it just makes sense and there isn't enough ice damage in game). I dont necessarily like the balance attempt zos is doing via weapon skills. I would rather the weapons compliment the classes not the other way around like it is becoming for stam builds.

Or.... 2x 3 slot weapon swappable bar (weapon skill only) + 1x 4 slot constant skill bar (utility/buff/debuff skills)
For weapon trees are supposed to be for weapon.
So if you have to choose 3/5 and only from that weapon, it forces different builds.
Class trees are supposed to be for utility.
So having a 3rd utility (non-attack) bar enables a limited selection of class/guild buffs/debuffs/utility skills
I know not everyone agrees with that.
But I see it as a way to force diversity by sacrifice.

Like CS
You could have a 1000 options.
If you can level all of them but only select 10 at anytime.
The possibilities are endless for diversity and progression.

Derra · May 2016

Rune_Relic wrote: »

MichYodias wrote: »

I agree nightblades are the most balanced and versatile class and when DB drops they could very well be the best class for stam and mag. Harness is going to make soloing on a magblade much more viable, which I think is pretty much the only current weaknesses of the class (and im not talking solo zerg dive vd prox tether bombing).

The solution here isn't to nerf nightblades but rather bring other classes up to nightblades for stam and mag. Heck maybe its time for a 4th class skill line to help make up ground (please an ice line for sorc it just makes sense and there isn't enough ice damage in game). I dont necessarily like the balance attempt zos is doing via weapon skills. I would rather the weapons compliment the classes not the other way around like it is becoming for stam builds.

Or.... 2x 3 slot weapon swappable bar (weapon skill only) + 1x 4 slot constant skill bar (utility/buff/debuff skills)
For weapon trees are supposed to be for weapon.
So if you have to choose 3/5 and only from that weapon, it forces different builds.
Class trees are supposed to be for utility.
So having a 3rd utility (non-attack) bar enables a limited selection of class/guild buffs/debuffs/utility skills
I know not everyone agrees with that.
But I see it as a way to force diversity by sacrifice.

Like CS
You could have a 1000 options.
If you can only activate all of them but only select 10 at anytime.
The possibilities are endless.

Only works for stamina builds.

Stam weapons offer nothing for mag builds and magica has only two weapon sets (of which the offensive one - destro staff - happens to be the worst weapon line in the game imo).

If the game forced me to slot three magica weapon skills i´d respec every single one of my chars to stamina.

PainfulFAFA · May 2016

Lyar09 wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Abob wrote: »

Most op class right now is probably stamina templar, not nb.

Kinda agree with you, out of all the stam playstyles, i'd say stamplar is the easiest.. NBs have so many buffs but what good are buffs when you get rekt in 1-2 clean shots.

Stamplars on the other hand, the only class that can still "perma roll". You get a free purge, free armor buffs, and both give major mending for using it. Refreshes when you step back in.. etc.

Have you played stamplar? I'm just curious. I'm not saying that stamplar isn't strong, but I wouldn't say it is the strongest stam class. Most people who say stamplar is the easiest roll a stamplar and end up quiting it because it isn't as easy as it looks

Yes i did play one. I turned him into a magplar and all the gear went to the sorc. There are many ways to mitigate damage as a stamplar alone, and have the strongest heals in the game. StamNBs were OP, but theyve slowly added balance to other classes, and i think stamplars got the best.

edit: As soon as DB hits, thats another story but based on what i skimmed through the patch notes, Stam Nbs got the best and will most likely be the fotm (again -.-).

Lyar09 · May 2016

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Abob wrote: »

Most op class right now is probably stamina templar, not nb.

Kinda agree with you, out of all the stam playstyles, i'd say stamplar is the easiest.. NBs have so many buffs but what good are buffs when you get rekt in 1-2 clean shots.

Stamplars on the other hand, the only class that can still "perma roll". You get a free purge, free armor buffs, and both give major mending for using it. Refreshes when you step back in.. etc.

Have you played stamplar? I'm just curious. I'm not saying that stamplar isn't strong, but I wouldn't say it is the strongest stam class. Most people who say stamplar is the easiest roll a stamplar and end up quiting it because it isn't as easy as it looks

Yes i did play one. I turned him into a magplar and all the gear went to the sorc. There are many ways to mitigate damage as a stamplar alone, and have the strongest heals in the game. StamNBs were OP, but theyve slowly added balance to other classes, and i think stamplars got the best.

edit: As soon as DB hits, thats another story but based on what i skimmed through the patch notes, Stam Nbs got the best and will most likely be the fotm.

Nobody is safe from incap strike haha I tried making this apparent but it'll go live. Instead of radiant and wb posts, there will be incap strike posts. Quote me on it