Why NB's are OP in 1 picture

DDuke

KenaPKK wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

So many buffs, yet they miss the one that makes you unkillable in PvP: Major Mending.

All of the other buffs aren't unique to the Nightblade class and can be found in the weapon skill lines (what's wrong with them btw?)


I fail to see the purpose of this thread.


Currently, Stamina Nightblade is good at one thing and one thing only: ganking. If you can't instagib your opponent, you'll lose in the long run because you heal for 25% less than your opponents & you can't really match the Jabs DPS (which is better than Surprise Attack if you have the Templar Ransack the NB first), let alone DK DoTs which absolutely decimate the NB.


Only thing Nightblades are at the moment is popular.

And popular=/="overpowered"

Ooooh that's a potent statement. Has some truth to it too.

My current staffblade setup is pretty damned near unkillable without greater numbers because of the heals. I just realized that if I had access to Major Mending, it'd be like my Malubeth was procced all the time. Holy *** how is that buff balanced???

o.0

To be fair, you can get it as magicka nightblade with resto staff heavy attacks. Stamina is SOL.

KenaPKK wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Summary of this thread's comments-


NBs- "sure, its got the best sustain, really great damage, decent escape and mobility, all these options and diversity, they are good at everything and access to all these buffs that other classes don't have. But that doesn't make it OP!!! GOD NO!!!"

Everyone else- *eyeroll*

And I dare you to list one buff that other classes don't have access to but NBs do.


Can we stop the NB hate please?

You didn't double dog dare me, but I took you up on it anyway.
Major breach. Major Protection. Major Evasion. Next question?

Well, wrong answer.

Major Breach: Weakness to Elements
Major Protection: "kind of" Empowering Sweep (can be half the value, or double the value...)
Major Evasion: Shuffle

Sweetheart.
Listing things that every class has access to through weapon/armor lines does not prove your point. NB's have exclusive access to these buffs through class skills which come with strong passives to accompany them.

Ehm, the weapon skill lines are there for a reason: so that people use them. They are not a decoration.

And most of the skills there are definitely strong & worth using.


...or would you rather use Power Extraction for Major Brutality than Rally?

Case closed.

Now you're just splitting hairs and fishing for excuses in defense of a clear NB advantage. Lol, over here talking about power extraction vs rally as if that's the conversation we're having. You can't get me off topic but it's adorable that you're trying so hard. If you wanna stay on topic let me know. I'm always around to throw down.

Well, it'd help to know what the topic actually is. "NBs are op" is awfully vague.

Perhaps you could point out what exactly is wrong with NBs?

Do they deal more burst than other classes?
Do they heal for more than other classes?
Do they have better sustained damage than other classes?

Because I probably have a very differing opinion on all the three questions above.

Burst: DBOS>Incap Strike. It's really that simple. Sure, it doesn't add the Major Defile on top of it - but players with proper builds will have Rev Bashed you anyway before that DBOS.

Healing: Quite self-explanatory, no Major Mending=less healing. No unique class heals.

Sustained damage: Currently, stamina nightblades are considered the weakest PvE DPS. As far as I know, I'm the only stamina nightblade to ever even complete vMoL. That's how weak it currently is compared to stamina DKs/Templars, that can dish out double the sustained DPS of a NB. - Since we're talking of sustained DPS, this applies to PvP as well. Stamina NBs quite simply don't have any powerful class DoTs, and even Rapid Strikes deals more DPS than Surprise Attack.


So... what else is there?

Damage avoidance - this used to be the strong suit of NBs, but not really anymore with cloak being in the current buggy state.
Mobility - still the best of all stam builds - sadly doesn't help much in things other than escaping.


So yeah, there's stamblade for you. I don't really see what makes it "OP", perhaps you can enlighten us

Your passives are out of this world crazy.

Correction, our passives are what is called "good." DKs also have such passives, as do magicka sorcs (kind of). WTB "good" templar and stam sorc passives.

Stamina sorcs actually got really good passives in the latest PTS patch.

+5% Physical Damage is equivalent to giving every stam sorc a "free" Hunding's 5 piece bonus & the new Implosion is just crazy...

From what I've gathered, it procs from all physical damage, every Bloodthirst hit, every bleed tick, every light attack, heavy attack, crit rush, crit rush vMSA bleed, hurricane, caltrops, steel tornado etc... they all can proc it. So if you have DoTs on target, that someone just melts upon reaching the 15% treshold.


Templars could maybe use a revamp on some passives that are practically useless... but they've got to be careful if they want to rebalance those - Templars are really strong already.

Come to think of it, the whole Daedric Summoning tree is kinda useless for stam sorcs too, so they could use some buffs there (just giving a stam morph to one of the pets would do it imo).

Mojmir

if you take out the over abundant major expedition buffs NB gets, they have the same as DK. a class is only as good as the player.

Makkir

zyk wrote: »

. Essentially, Jules is Trumping us.

Yeah well, you're Clintoning us

Vaoh

DDuke wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

@DDuke You've got to be really bad at PvP to think Nightblades need any sort of buff.... sorry lol.

They are very powerful right now and made even more so from the Dark Brotherhood changes.

They need some of those insane Passives nerfed, or preferably other classes brought up to par. DK is pretty great as well, but Templar and Sorcerer need some heavy Passive Skill reworking.

Oh the classic "you are bad at PvP" argument. I guess you don't know who you're talking to - that's ok.

If NB was as strong as people say - then why would I be farming them on my Templar rather than playing my NB, which I enjoy much more?

If you want to see the days when NB was actually strong & capable of beating anyone in 1v1 & 1vX, then I have plenty of videos on my channel from those days.

Umm..... Because 70% or more of the players in Cyrodiil are Nightblades? For good reason too. Were ALL farming Nightblades, not just you.

I'm not doing background checks on a random player like yourself either, so no I don't know who you are supposed to be. Clearly not famous enough for anyone to magically know who you are on PS4. Lol

Stop trying to make out the Nightblade class to be anything other than it currently is, which is not only the overall strongest and most versatile class, but one which manages to allow plenty of build diversity as well.

Nightblade is honestly the only class I have played where I felt conflicted on which skills I should slot because there were so many good options!

EDIT: This isn't a call for a nerf, but rather a call for other classes (Templar and Sorc mostly) to be buffed so they can get on par with Nightblades. Passives are a great way to prove the imbalance as well, not just class Major/Minor buffs and Stam skills of which NB is superior.

Vaoh

Mojmir wrote: »

if you take out the over abundant major expedition buffs NB gets, they have the same as DK. a class is only as good as the player.

Truth.

Give an experienced player a Stam Sorc, and a much less experienced player a Stam NB and the experienced player will win every time. When player skill levels are close though, some Class Specs just outperform others unfortunateIy

Hence, Stam Sorcs are terrible while Stam NBs are insane in Dark Brotherhood, and so on.

DDuke

Mojmir wrote: »

if you take out the over abundant major expedition buffs NB gets, they have the same as DK. a class is only as good as the player.

I hope you mean magicka nightblades, because stamblades don't get any of those buffs from class skills :P

Doncellius wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

@DDuke You've got to be really bad at PvP to think Nightblades need any sort of buff.... sorry lol.

They are very powerful right now and made even more so from the Dark Brotherhood changes.

They need some of those insane Passives nerfed, or preferably other classes brought up to par. DK is pretty great as well, but Templar and Sorcerer need some heavy Passive Skill reworking.

Oh the classic "you are bad at PvP" argument. I guess you don't know who you're talking to - that's ok.

If NB was as strong as people say - then why would I be farming them on my Templar rather than playing my NB, which I enjoy much more?

If you want to see the days when NB was actually strong & capable of beating anyone in 1v1 & 1vX, then I have plenty of videos on my channel from those days.

Umm..... Because 70% or more of the players in Cyrodiil are Nightblades? For good reason too. Were ALL farming Nightblades, not just you.

I'm not doing background checks on a random player like yourself either, so no I don't know who you are supposed to be. Clearly not famous enough for anyone to magically know who you are on PS4. Lol

Stop trying to make out the Nightblade class to be anything other than it currently is, which is not only the overall strongest and most versatile class, but one which manages to allow plenty of build diversity as well.

Nightblade is honestly the only class I have played where I felt conflicted on which skills I should slot because there were so many good options!

Having build diversity doesn't mean something is "op".

Something is op when it clearly performs better than other classes.


If you look up some dueling tournament history from EU megaserver, you'll notice that the top 10 have traditionally almost exclusively been Sorcs & DKs.

This alone should be proof that NB is not overpowered, since it doesn't outperform other classes in 1v1 (in fact, it's clearly weaker there as the data suggests). I've already given plenty of analysis as to the cause of this in my previous posts.

Ganking people - fine, NB is strong - but not that much stronger than other classes (if at all).

Maybe at VD proxy bombing they're the best.


But this is very irrelevant. If a class performs well in 1vX/ganking, but poorly in 1v1 - how can you call the class "op"?

I don't feel "overpowered" if I have to run from people in PvP.

I'll rather just play magicka templar that doesn't have to run from anything or anyone.

JDar

This is highly selective evidence. The number of buffs you can possibly get from your class abilities is only one of many factors that determines how powerful a class is. Were I to believe OP, I'd conclude that sorcs were the weakest class. I think we all know that is far from true.

God_flakes

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

I still don't understand what the OP wants here . Do you want other classes to have more access to abilities with perks to become more versatile like Nightblades ? Do you want something in particular removed from the Nightblades skill lines ? Or do you just want someone to say Nightblades are over powered because .... Chart ?

Then this can become a discussion , perhaps .

No, she merely wants to complain, be condescending and call people "sweetheart" who prove her wrong.

HoloYoitsu

Jules wrote: »

The clear conclusion I draw from this is, #NerfSorc2016.

Jules

God_flakes wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

I still don't understand what the OP wants here . Do you want other classes to have more access to abilities with perks to become more versatile like Nightblades ? Do you want something in particular removed from the Nightblades skill lines ? Or do you just want someone to say Nightblades are over powered because .... Chart ?

Then this can become a discussion , perhaps .

No, she merely wants to complain, be condescending and call people "sweetheart" who prove her wrong.

That salt tho.

Rohamad_Ali

God_flakes wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

I still don't understand what the OP wants here . Do you want other classes to have more access to abilities with perks to become more versatile like Nightblades ? Do you want something in particular removed from the Nightblades skill lines ? Or do you just want someone to say Nightblades are over powered because .... Chart ?

Then this can become a discussion , perhaps .

No, she merely wants to complain, be condescending and call people "sweetheart" who prove her wrong.

Ive never recieved an actual response her so I assumed I was just considered irrelevant in her conversations . I would of settled for being called Sweetheart ..! Oh well . For those asking for more utility in their respected classes , hey .. I get it ! I play each class too . For those asking for nerfs , well ... They'll get no sweethearts from me , no sir not one !

God_flakes

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

I still don't understand what the OP wants here . Do you want other classes to have more access to abilities with perks to become more versatile like Nightblades ? Do you want something in particular removed from the Nightblades skill lines ? Or do you just want someone to say Nightblades are over powered because .... Chart ?

Then this can become a discussion , perhaps .

No, she merely wants to complain, be condescending and call people "sweetheart" who prove her wrong.

Ive never recieved an actual response her so I assumed I was just considered irrelevant in her conversations . I would of settled for being called Sweetheart ..! Oh well . For those asking for more utility in their respected classes , hey .. I get it ! I play each class too . For those asking for nerfs , well ... They'll get no sweethearts from me , no sir not one !

At least she's not accusing you of being salty.

Rohamad_Ali

God_flakes wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

I still don't understand what the OP wants here . Do you want other classes to have more access to abilities with perks to become more versatile like Nightblades ? Do you want something in particular removed from the Nightblades skill lines ? Or do you just want someone to say Nightblades are over powered because .... Chart ?

Then this can become a discussion , perhaps .

No, she merely wants to complain, be condescending and call people "sweetheart" who prove her wrong.

Ive never recieved an actual response her so I assumed I was just considered irrelevant in her conversations . I would of settled for being called Sweetheart ..! Oh well . For those asking for more utility in their respected classes , hey .. I get it ! I play each class too . For those asking for nerfs , well ... They'll get no sweethearts from me , no sir not one !

At least she's not accusing you of being salty.

That'd be a rediculous accusation . Everyone knows I use a loofah with a coconut scented moon sugar scrub in a delightful strawberry bath bead lathered tube with scented cinnamon candles nearby ...

Xsorus

Sorc is honestly the best PvP class.

With that said...Nightblade has some of the best Skills and Passives in the game, thats superior to the other classes.

Every thing they have is just good.....They don't really have any *** skills..

And you have syngeries that are insane with the class...

Satiar

Jules wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Ehh....

I'd actually agree with the poster above that Stamplar is the best right now. Those guys are insane.

As to Nightblades themselves, I've found the majority of the buffs listed really don't mean or do much. I've played a Nord nightblade for a very long time, and played it to a high level, meaning my passives only just offset the loss of resources my passives give me. I've found the most reliably OP part of a nightblade is not the passives or the minor buffs, but Siphoning Attacks. I could really give a damn about all the other things listed.... SA allows a Nightblade to stack large amounts of damage and not care about regen.

That said, I am finally rolling a DK.

Stam NB is an infinitely more developed stam class than Stamplar.

In comparison to NB, Stamplar has-

No gap closer.
No single target instant cast.
No ultimate.
No empower.
No hard cc.
No major fracture.

Major Resolve and Ward are earned by dropping a restoring focus vs. Using 1 surprise attack

The one thing they have over NB is Major Mending. And that is all.

This is not a logical argument.

Nightblades lack burst heals and shields. If you'd like to branch out into weapon and other skill lines than we have more options, but that doesn't favor your argument as that begins to add the missing pieces to the other classes (gap closers, stuns, ultimates, etc).

What makes a Nightblade a killing machine is a combination of Cloak, Fear and arguably Siphoning Attacks. That's literally it. Everything else is just gravy. If you don't get that than you don't get Nightblade. We can't burst heal like Templars, we can't shield ourselves to the sky like Sorcs and streak around, and.... well I think we're plain better than DKs in 1v1s but DKs get some advantages that really even the playing field in group play and are STUPID tanky. Buff DKs, I guess?

And Jules, for the love of god. I get you play a lot of classes but you're fairly disrespectful to people in here, some of whom have played the class two years longer than you.

Rohamad_Ali

I was just on my VR4 Sorc and got in a 1vs1 with a VR16 NB . It was a draw because he couldn't kill me and I didn't have my line set up for full damage . He ended up cloaking out and leaving . Most of these complaints are subjective with NB's . It really does , at the end of the night , comes down to who's the player . My Sorc gear is crap , I just know how to nightblade too so his attacks were text book .

Jaronking

I just want to point out a majority of those buffs only magica NB will have access to.Most Stamblades don't have enough magica to use those abilities.So can we only add to this the list a stam NB will be able to use without wasting their limited Magica supply?I say just give NB access to minor mending or Vilitaty so we can be a little bit more tanky when we duel.You all have to remember not every NB is a GankBlade and should be able to be competitive in all aspect of the game because stamblades freaken suck in PVE its terrible.

Also why is everyone mad at Stamblades when its magblades who have access to the majority of these buffs and use the abilities that grant them those buffs.So let's all look at the real OP specs Magica Sorc and NB and Nerf Sorcs.

I think everyone will be happy with that.

Also sorry if my post doesn't make a lot of sense at this time its late and so I'll fix it in the morning.

Jules

Satiar wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Ehh....

I'd actually agree with the poster above that Stamplar is the best right now. Those guys are insane.

As to Nightblades themselves, I've found the majority of the buffs listed really don't mean or do much. I've played a Nord nightblade for a very long time, and played it to a high level, meaning my passives only just offset the loss of resources my passives give me. I've found the most reliably OP part of a nightblade is not the passives or the minor buffs, but Siphoning Attacks. I could really give a damn about all the other things listed.... SA allows a Nightblade to stack large amounts of damage and not care about regen.

That said, I am finally rolling a DK.

Stam NB is an infinitely more developed stam class than Stamplar.

In comparison to NB, Stamplar has-

No gap closer.
No single target instant cast.
No ultimate.
No empower.
No hard cc.
No major fracture.

Major Resolve and Ward are earned by dropping a restoring focus vs. Using 1 surprise attack

The one thing they have over NB is Major Mending. And that is all.

This is not a logical argument.

Nightblades lack burst heals and shields. If you'd like to branch out into weapon and other skill lines than we have more options, but that doesn't favor your argument as that begins to add the missing pieces to the other classes (gap closers, stuns, ultimates, etc).

What makes a Nightblade a killing machine is a combination of Cloak, Fear and arguably Siphoning Attacks. That's literally it. Everything else is just gravy. If you don't get that than you don't get Nightblade. We can't burst heal like Templars, we can't shield ourselves to the sky like Sorcs and streak around, and.... well I think we're plain better than DKs in 1v1s but DKs get some advantages that really even the playing field in group play and are STUPID tanky. Buff DKs, I guess?

And Jules, for the love of god. I get you play a lot of classes but you're fairly disrespectful to people in here, some of whom have played the class two years longer than you.

Reapers mark heals you for 60% of your max health when you kill an enemy. This does not equate to a "lacking" burst heal. Sure, it's situational and requires killing. Alas, similarly, crit surge for sorcs also functions in this way. It gives you heals for the damage you inflict.

And you can have played nb for longer, but if you think cloak fear and siphoning attacks are the ONLY things that make a nb a killing machine, then I honestly don't know what you've been learning. Nearly every ability is buffed with damage through passives, nearly every ability is either a stun, snare or minor/major maim. Nearly every ability when compared with the equivalent of other classes does more damage and applies more effectives passively.

And you can say I've been disrespectful, however that is not the intent. I disagreed with you on stamplar being stronger and I have a plethora of proof to back that up. Disagreeing with you and saying your argument is illogical is not being disrespectful.

But perhaps other things I've said have been. And for that I am sorry. But when nbs come here telling me "we're not op because XYZ and you're biased and you're toxic and you're crying" and on and on and on, I'm gonna have to call BS. All of these things are merely deflection from the true issue, that nightblade is outperforming the other three classes, and no one wants to bite the bullet and just admit it.

Dyride

DDuke wrote: »

Sustained damage: Currently, stamina nightblades are considered the weakest PvE DPS.

Cough, Stam Sorc. Cough.

DDuke wrote: »

You don't need to apply heal debuff with Dawnbreaker, you can do that with Reverberating Bash (from the S&B skill line). Yes, it doesn't apply +20% damage taken on target but it does apply a 5k/second DoT.

They nerfed the hell out of Reverb Bash by reducing the distance. You literally have to use it right after Invasion or you will be out of range. Also hilariously they remove the CC after only recently fixing it with the TG update. Should have just removed the Disorient.

Mojomonkeyman

blabafat wrote: »

So, I have seen multiple comments about Nightblade being balanced in that it has everything, and other classes should be brought UP to par instead of introducing nerfs to Nightblade.

Before I talk about my thoughts, I'd like to point out that whenever we are calling something "OP" or "Underpowered," it's relative to everything else. Nightblade is considered OP in COMPARISON to the other classes, for example. If everyone's health was brought up to 50K, and an ultimate ability is only doing 4K, that ultimate is considered Underpowered because it deals such an insignificant amount of damage (in relation to how much health there is). It's purely subjective and based upon what the context is.

With that being said

To everyone that is saying Sorc/Temp/DK need to be brought up to par:

As you see in this spreadsheet, Nightblade has way more buffs/tools at its disposal compared to the other classes. There is no denying that - it's plain and clear. The suggestion has been brought up - Make everything as strong as NB, instead of nerfing NB. Well, there is a problem with that - making everything similar completely contradicts the concept of classes. Classes are in the game for a reason. Each class has its own highlights, or class defining skills/passives.

For example, Nightblades do not have a burst heal or shield. Templar has the best burst heal and a shield (weak one). Sorcerers have the best shield but no heals. DK's have a physical ultimate, but they lack an execute.

Each class excels in some areas but lacks in others. That's what makes the classes, and I think the fact that Nightblade excels in more (than other classes) and lacks in less areas (than other classes) causes people to make the claim, "Nightblade is OP."

So, to the people that want every other class to be buffed over a nerf to Nightblades - let's take an aspect or two that is called OP.

Damage - Nightblade's damage (or ability to push damage very high) is a heated topic. By applying the solution listed above, every class would have to have the same amount of damage capability as Nightblade. Would this solve the issues of being 1 shot or insane damage numbers? No, of course not. It would only make the problem more apparent. You might say, "Why don't we do that, and then raise health?" Well, why would we when the simple solution is to lower the damage capability that a Nightblade has?

Passives - Nightblade has passives that increase Max Health, Max Magicka, Crit Damage, and Health/Magic/Stamina Regeneration (15% across the board). Again, apply the solution here: Make every class have similar passives to create "balance." Okay. In that case, the already apparent problem of resource management (being too easy) would only be worsened. EVERY class would have higher max stats. EVERY class would have more damage.

All in all, my opinion on Nightblades and what should be done:

Do not nerf them like Magic DK was nerfed. Take each aspect at a time, and think about what is overperforming (in relation to other classes). Simply making everything comparable to Nightblade IS NOT the solution. It would only be another band aid fix that wouldn't solve the problems.

EDIT - if you are replying or referencing this thread, please include @blabafat so I get a notification. Thanks

This guy has a brain, great post.

wookikiller95

So buff Stam and mag SORC?!

HoloYoitsu

wookikiller95 wrote: »

So buff Stam and mag SORC?!

No, nerf them but call it a buff.

Oh wait, ZOS is actually doing exactly that.

Surge: This ability and its morphs now restore a flat value of health whenever you deal a Critical Strike. It will now also proc on any Critical Strike instead of only direct damage Critical Strikes, but can only restore health once every second.

#ZOSLogic

Xsorus

Look at the advantages of Surprise Attack

This an ability that takes less stamina then pretty much everything besides Ransack
Does Great Damage, Applies CC if you've been stealthed, applies Major Fracture, and because of the Passive in the line its in...applies Major Physical and Spell Resist.

This one ability is the equiv of like 3 Abilities a DK would need.

Publius_Scipio

I'd really only like to add that I have only had one character since beta, and it's a NB. Back at launch when NBs were nothing, many main NB skills bugged, general population could of cared less about them. I was a NB. NBs can be buffed, nerfed, half the players could roll NB simply for an upcoming DLC.... I will still just play my NB.

Doesn't really matter because there is no build, no skills, no amount of CP that can save any AD or EP from my stories.

Derra

DDuke wrote: »

Mobility - still the best of all stam builds - sadly doesn't help much in things other than escaping.

This right here is what makes Stamblades better for open pvp than stam DK or stamplar or just about any other class than mag NB and mag sorc.
The NB stays alive a lot better simply by being able to reliably withdraw from any fight they´re not winning.
It´s the package of high burst, okish sustained dps + mobility and elusiveness that makes NB a good choice for doing anything smallscale oriented.

For dueling i´d chose stamDK over NB/sorc any day of the week. But 98% of people you meet in cyro aren´t top duelists.

Major mending is something that just shouldn´t be widely accessible especially not for extended time periods. Makes no sense. Malubeth + major mending + rally vigor is worse than fighting a tripple shield stacking sorc with another mag build imo.
It breaks smallscaling as it makes classes with access to this combination almost unkillable.

If you want a class + build that can fight any opponent the two top choices for cyro open pvp just aren´t for you.
Magsorc hits a wall every time they meet a competent stam DK, NB suffers the same fate they meet a competent stamDK. Both are able to just evade the fight.

Publius_Scipio

Derra wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Mobility - still the best of all stam builds - sadly doesn't help much in things other than escaping.

This right here is what makes Stamblades better for open pvp than stam DK or stamplar or just about any other class than mag NB and mag sorc.
The NB stays alive a lot better simply by being able to reliably withdraw from any fight they´re not winning.
It´s the package of high burst, okish sustained dps + mobility and elusiveness that makes NB a good choice for doing anything smallscale oriented.

For dueling i´d chose stamDK over NB/sorc any day of the week. But 98% of people you meet in cyro aren´t top duelists.

Major mending is something that just shouldn´t be widely accessible especially not for extended time periods. Makes no sense. Malubeth + major mending + rally vigor is worse than fighting a tripple shield stacking sorc with another mag build imo.
It breaks smallscaling as it makes classes with access to this combination almost unkillable.

Have you ever seen mojican? I'm pretty sure he is a templar and pretty much can run away full speed ahead, dodging a ton of attacks, and healing through pretty much anything anyone throws at him. Then when you're burnt out he attacks you with 2H.

You're right NBs can make nice getaways, but I haven't seen a NB on the run shrug off everything thrown their way like I seen mojican's templar.

Derra

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Mobility - still the best of all stam builds - sadly doesn't help much in things other than escaping.

This right here is what makes Stamblades better for open pvp than stam DK or stamplar or just about any other class than mag NB and mag sorc.
The NB stays alive a lot better simply by being able to reliably withdraw from any fight they´re not winning.
It´s the package of high burst, okish sustained dps + mobility and elusiveness that makes NB a good choice for doing anything smallscale oriented.

For dueling i´d chose stamDK over NB/sorc any day of the week. But 98% of people you meet in cyro aren´t top duelists.

Major mending is something that just shouldn´t be widely accessible especially not for extended time periods. Makes no sense. Malubeth + major mending + rally vigor is worse than fighting a tripple shield stacking sorc with another mag build imo.
It breaks smallscaling as it makes classes with access to this combination almost unkillable.

Have you ever seen mojican? I'm pretty sure he is a templar and pretty much can run away full speed ahead, dodging a ton of attacks, and healing through pretty much anything anyone throws at him. Then when you're burnt out he attacks you with 2H.

You're right NBs can make nice getaways, but I haven't seen a NB on the run shrug off everything thrown their way like I seen mojican's templar.

The difference is - as a NB i have the possibility to escape entirely with shadow image + cloak (or atleast split up chasers). If ppl are dedicated to chase you down it´s more likely they will catch you on a tempar than on NB - atlesat from my personal experience with playing both (could be NB playstyle just fits me better).

Tyrion87

You have just proved that @Wrobel should be fired asap.
"Balancing" the game by continuously nerfing (shields, surge etc.) already the weakest class in game (sorc) in each PvE role (tank, heal, DD) is just another proof of his incompetence.

Sanct16

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Mobility - still the best of all stam builds - sadly doesn't help much in things other than escaping.

This right here is what makes Stamblades better for open pvp than stam DK or stamplar or just about any other class than mag NB and mag sorc.
The NB stays alive a lot better simply by being able to reliably withdraw from any fight they´re not winning.
It´s the package of high burst, okish sustained dps + mobility and elusiveness that makes NB a good choice for doing anything smallscale oriented.

For dueling i´d chose stamDK over NB/sorc any day of the week. But 98% of people you meet in cyro aren´t top duelists.

Major mending is something that just shouldn´t be widely accessible especially not for extended time periods. Makes no sense. Malubeth + major mending + rally vigor is worse than fighting a tripple shield stacking sorc with another mag build imo.
It breaks smallscaling as it makes classes with access to this combination almost unkillable.

Have you ever seen mojican? I'm pretty sure he is a templar and pretty much can run away full speed ahead, dodging a ton of attacks, and healing through pretty much anything anyone throws at him. Then when you're burnt out he attacks you with 2H.

You're right NBs can make nice getaways, but I haven't seen a NB on the run shrug off everything thrown their way like I seen mojican's templar.

Ofc you dont SEE the Nb... thats the point.

Runkorko

Jules wrote: »

Judging by this pic, DK`s must be the second OP class but they are not. NB`s are not OP at all. Thanks and bye.

And JU, you are invincible inside your zerg , so nothing to worry about. Cry for balance comming from zerg member.... meh.