Say hello (@names now visible on other players)

Yolokin_Swagonborn

lordrichter wrote: »

Pangnirtung wrote: »

I don't want my account name visible to anyone.

What was wrong with it that it needed to be changed?

ZOS_GinaBruno how about if we have the ability to toggle on or off if we want that displayed to others?

Your account name has never been a secret. True, it has never been slapped on the UI (for PC/Mac) but it is simple to get.

As for why, I think they are making console and PC/Mac the same. We get name only on PC/Mac, they get account only on console. Now, everyone gets both.

I would like it if they would remove it from the PC/Mac, but it is easy to mod out.

Finally someone pointed this out. You can get anyone's @name by ignoring them then checking your ignore list. There are also addons that do it for you.

babylon

I don't understand why they would want to do this...makes it *that* much easier for someone to attempt to steal people's accounts now...was bad enough when it was just 500 people seeing your account name...now the whole server can?

Someone tell ZOS we want to keep personal details to ourselves...we shouldn't ever see anyone's account name in the first place, not in groups, not in guilds, not on friends or ignore lists, and certainly not showing to entire server.

tinythinker

driosketch wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

Ethoir wrote: »

I found it really unnerving to be able to see a player's @name. For me, it is always visible wither I have nameplates enabled or not. It shows up under their health bar at the top of the screen as part of the default UI under their character name. It drives me nuts that I can't turn that part of it off and always have to stare at a person's @name in the vanilla UI with nameplates disabled.

It can make it a bit more social, though, being able to see "who" it is.

Which is fine for guildmates or Alliance War. In the quest zones I value the ability to blend in with the NPCs if I want.

Even now on live you can see someone's level and alliance rank, you don't blend in a lot less now unless you use the nameplates, which hover and are seen from far away. The @-name is a little extra info in the part of what you can already see about other players, but not much more.

tinythinker

babylon wrote: »

I don't understand why they would want to do this...makes it *that* much easier for someone to attempt to steal people's accounts now...was bad enough when it was just 500 people seeing your account name...now the whole server can?

Not any easier. If I have to run up to each player and write the info down it's much more work than just using /ignore. The /ignore feature is much more efficient for getting @ -names, and that option's been out there since launch if people wanted to "steal" the info. Just say anything in /zone, or /yell, or /say, I click and ignore and there it is. I bet a bot could auto-farm @-names that way, putting people ignore all day. This isn't a major security breach.

driosketch

tinythinker wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

Ethoir wrote: »

I found it really unnerving to be able to see a player's @name. For me, it is always visible wither I have nameplates enabled or not. It shows up under their health bar at the top of the screen as part of the default UI under their character name. It drives me nuts that I can't turn that part of it off and always have to stare at a person's @name in the vanilla UI with nameplates disabled.

It can make it a bit more social, though, being able to see "who" it is.

Which is fine for guildmates or Alliance War. In the quest zones I value the ability to blend in with the NPCs if I want.

Even now on live you can see someone's level and alliance rank, you don't blend in a lot less now unless you use the nameplates, which hover and are seen from far away. The @-name is a little extra info in the part of what you can already see about other players, but not much more.

One, if there is so much as a rat between you and the other player at a distance, it can be difficult to even just get a character name on live with a causal target, (pc). Two, I've been fishing in disguise among enemy NPCs and have had others already take a swing at me before realizing I'm just another player. That's part of what I mean by blending in, and it's one of my guilty joys in game. The other part is being able to quest solo without a neon sign over my head.

tinythinker

driosketch wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

Ethoir wrote: »

I found it really unnerving to be able to see a player's @name. For me, it is always visible wither I have nameplates enabled or not. It shows up under their health bar at the top of the screen as part of the default UI under their character name. It drives me nuts that I can't turn that part of it off and always have to stare at a person's @name in the vanilla UI with nameplates disabled.

It can make it a bit more social, though, being able to see "who" it is.

Which is fine for guildmates or Alliance War. In the quest zones I value the ability to blend in with the NPCs if I want.

Even now on live you can see someone's level and alliance rank, you don't blend in a lot less now unless you use the nameplates, which hover and are seen from far away. The @-name is a little extra info in the part of what you can already see about other players, but not much more.

One, if there is so much as a rat between you and the other player at a distance, it can be difficult to even just get a character name on live with a causal target, (pc). Two, I've been fishing in disguise among enemy NPCs and have had others already take a swing at me before realizing I'm just another player. That's part of what I mean by blending in, and it's one of my guilty joys in game. The other part is being able to quest solo without a neon sign over my head.

And there is a difference between adding the @ -name to the existing mouse-over info and turning on nameplates. The nameplate is the big neon sign. That was my point. Currently on the PTS you can turn off whether *you* see nameplates, the big neon signs, but others can still turn them on and give you one from their point of view. That's separate from adding the @ - names in mouseovers.

If you want others to not be able to see a nameplate over your head when they turn that feature on, you will want to be clear on what you are asking for in your feedback. And it seems like they are going to go for letting you control whether you see neon signs, not whether other players can.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1

I was hoping for an option to hide my nameplate to other players.I think zos can still do it.Also now you cant hide( not sneak) behind a tree because ,yeah some letters above my head will snitch my position.

Lava_Croft

Your @account name has never been private.

driosketch

tinythinker wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

Ethoir wrote: »

I found it really unnerving to be able to see a player's @name. For me, it is always visible wither I have nameplates enabled or not. It shows up under their health bar at the top of the screen as part of the default UI under their character name. It drives me nuts that I can't turn that part of it off and always have to stare at a person's @name in the vanilla UI with nameplates disabled.

It can make it a bit more social, though, being able to see "who" it is.

Which is fine for guildmates or Alliance War. In the quest zones I value the ability to blend in with the NPCs if I want.

Even now on live you can see someone's level and alliance rank, you don't blend in a lot less now unless you use the nameplates, which hover and are seen from far away. The @-name is a little extra info in the part of what you can already see about other players, but not much more.

One, if there is so much as a rat between you and the other player at a distance, it can be difficult to even just get a character name on live with a causal target, (pc). Two, I've been fishing in disguise among enemy NPCs and have had others already take a swing at me before realizing I'm just another player. That's part of what I mean by blending in, and it's one of my guilty joys in game. The other part is being able to quest solo without a neon sign over my head.

And there is a difference between adding the @ -name to the existing mouse-over info and turning on nameplates. The nameplate is the big neon sign. That was my point. Currently on the PTS you can turn off whether *you* see nameplates, the big neon signs, but others can still turn them on and give you one from their point of view. That's separate from adding the @ - names in mouseovers.

If you want others to not be able to see a nameplate over your head when they turn that feature on, you will want to be clear on what you are asking for in your feedback. And it seems like they are going to go for letting you control whether you see neon signs, not whether other players can.

There several issues with the new name plates/display info. These are only two that are closely mixed. It's not one or the other that's a large problem, but several smaller ones that add up.

Ritzey01

Nameplates tend to add allot of lag in other games, i imagine the same will be true here as well.

Korah_Eaglecry

Ugh......CP is going to become one of those 'If you dont have X CP you cant run with us' things.

driosketch

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Ugh......CP is going to become one of those 'If you dont have X CP you cant run with us' things.

And there's another of the issues with the new system.

olsborg

I would really love a private mode, so you didnt show your @ name to everyone

Nyx2

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Your @account name has never been private.

This. This sudden panic is pointless, please inform yourself instead of spreading false propaganda. Gamepad mode always uses account names and until that is not fixed, this discussion serves no purpose.

IrishGirlGamer

paleobonesb14_ESO wrote: »

I don't like it either and I hope they change it to just our character's name and title like before.

I don't really mind if everyone knows my game name or character name. What's more annoying to me is entering a city like Daggerfall or Riften and seeing dozens of magical floating name tags over the heads of other players.

I really hope I can toggle it off.

Stump

@names have been visible on PC since the native controller mode. I play with controller and it was one of the things that upset me about it was i have to see everyone's @names instead of their character names, which showed in group/ zone chat.

@name however have always been shown in guild chats, rosters and mail.

tinythinker

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

paleobonesb14_ESO wrote: »

I don't like it either and I hope they change it to just our character's name and title like before.

I don't really mind if everyone knows my game name or character name. What's more annoying to me is entering a city like Daggerfall or Riften and seeing dozens of magical floating name tags over the heads of other players.

I really hope I can toggle it off.

The actual nameplates start toggled off by default on the PTS, so you will only see the usual mouseover info (with @ -names added in) otherwise.

driosketch

Nyx2 wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Your @account name has never been private.

This. This sudden panic is pointless, please inform yourself instead of spreading false propaganda. Gamepad mode always uses account names and until that is not fixed, this discussion serves no purpose.

There is a psychological difference between knowing something can be done in the vague sense, and being confronted with it during the mundane everyday. Honestly this should have been addressed long ago, but it's going to come up now because people are more surface aware of it now.

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

paleobonesb14_ESO wrote: »

I don't like it either and I hope they change it to just our character's name and title like before.

I don't really mind if everyone knows my game name or character name. What's more annoying to me is entering a city like Daggerfall or Riften and seeing dozens of magical floating name tags over the heads of other players.

I really hope I can toggle it off.

You can turn it off from yourself seeing the name plates at least. Personally I feel, unlike how they handled speech bubbles or even scrolling combat text, this addition really make the game feel like another generic MMO.

Danikat

So am I doing something wrong by using the same account name in-game and on the forum then? I always thought my account name was primarily a way for people to identify me regardless of which character I'm playing. Not a big secret to be guarded with my life and only shared with the 2,500 close friends in my 5 guilds, anyone on my friends list, anyone who has added me to their friends list or invited me to join a group and anyone who has blocked me.

I'm not sure I want to see everyone's account names all the time because the majority of the time it's not relevant, but I don't think it's a problem that people now have an additional way to see mine.

driosketch wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

Ethoir wrote: »

I found it really unnerving to be able to see a player's @name. For me, it is always visible wither I have nameplates enabled or not. It shows up under their health bar at the top of the screen as part of the default UI under their character name. It drives me nuts that I can't turn that part of it off and always have to stare at a person's @name in the vanilla UI with nameplates disabled.

It can make it a bit more social, though, being able to see "who" it is.

Which is fine for guildmates or Alliance War. In the quest zones I value the ability to blend in with the NPCs if I want.

Even now on live you can see someone's level and alliance rank, you don't blend in a lot less now unless you use the nameplates, which hover and are seen from far away. The @-name is a little extra info in the part of what you can already see about other players, but not much more.

One, if there is so much as a rat between you and the other player at a distance, it can be difficult to even just get a character name on live with a causal target, (pc). Two, I've been fishing in disguise among enemy NPCs and have had others already take a swing at me before realizing I'm just another player. That's part of what I mean by blending in, and it's one of my guilty joys in game. The other part is being able to quest solo without a neon sign over my head.

It doesn't take much for some people to mistake players for NPCs. I've had the same thing happen (players mistake me for an enemy and try to attack me) when I was wearing bright purple armour and attacking said enemies. They take a few swings then give up after they realise it's not doing anything and I'm not attacking back.

Samadhi

Never liked having my log in username freely visible to other players, and this just serves to exacerbate the issue.

Got hacked in GTA: Online shortly after PC launch, back before they changed the log in launcher from in game name to personal e-mail.

This was an unfortunate decision by ZOS, but it is really just an extension of an already present issue.

SirAndy

Samadhi wrote: »

Never liked having my log in username freely visible to other players, and this just serves to exacerbate the issue.

Half the info needed to hack your account for everyone visible. Yeah ZOS, GG ...

IrishGirlGamer

SirAndy wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Never liked having my log in username freely visible to other players, and this just serves to exacerbate the issue.

Half the info needed to hack your account for everyone visible. Yeah ZOS, GG ...

Okay, now I am a little concerned. Seriously, this spring the IT department at my University sponsored an Internet safety program. As a demonstration, they downloaded a free password hacker and hacked into one of the University e-mail accounts (a volunteer offered their account and changed the password before - and after - the presentation) and did it in like 20 minutes.

One of their points was: yes, keep your passwords secret, but keep your usernames (in this case, student id #s) secret, too. Please tell me we have the option to hide the appearance of our login username or use a different account name once we're in the game.

tinythinker

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Never liked having my log in username freely visible to other players, and this just serves to exacerbate the issue.

Half the info needed to hack your account for everyone visible. Yeah ZOS, GG ...

Okay, now I am a little concerned. Seriously, this spring the IT department at my University sponsored an Internet safety program. As a demonstration, they downloaded a free password hacker and hacked into one of the University e-mail accounts (a volunteer offered their account and changed the password before - and after - the presentation) and did it in like 20 minutes.

One of their points was: yes, keep your passwords secret, but keep your usernames (in this case, student id #s) secret, too. Please tell me we have the option to hide the appearance of our login username or use a different account name once we're in the game.

@IrishGirlGamer and others who worry about this:

You don't and never have had any way to block such information in-game, and with or without the Dark Brotherhood upate the information is already available to:

-anyone on your friend list and whoever they share it with.
-anyone in any guild you are in (or were in if people took down the info) and whoever guild members choose to share it with.
-anyone who sees your character name on mouse-over, or in any type of text chat, and then uses /ignore on you (and whoever that person chooses to share the info with)
-anyone on PC/Mac who uses a game controller/game pad rather than the mouse and keyboard setup and whoever that person chooses to share that info with

So, it's been out there for a long time. And if your forum account name is the same as your basic account name (i.e. your in-game @ -name), then anyone who visits the forums has that info as well.

In other words, if someone wanted such info, the new UI won't make a big difference. If I wanted account names, I would just put everyone in all chats on ignore, screenshot my ignore list, and repeat. Or I would get someone who can code to make an /ignore bot and periodically check in and grab screen shots of the program's work before wiping the list and resetting the bot.

Some games have added/integrated additional security measures, such one-time passwords, that can help with account fraud if people are concerned. Ask ZOS to make it work with ESO. But otherwise, you are already "vulnerable" to having your account name known; and actually, chasing someone around in-game and tabbing people to try to read their account name is the hardest and least efficient of all the available options for getting that information.

CJohnson81

driosketch wrote: »

You can turn it off from yourself seeing the name plates at least. Personally I feel, unlike how they handled speech bubbles or even scrolling combat text, this addition really make the game feel like another generic MMO.

Just laughing because you say this makes the game feel like another generic MMO, and yet there are others who feel that the game lacks fundamental features that all MMO's have. It's funny to see the difference of opinion.

I think the floating nameplates will be okay, but I'm glad I can hide them. The thing I'm excited about as a console player is the ability to see character names, because running into Xxb4llzd33p1nUrm0mxX is just slightly annoying.

Ra'Shtar

I have never liked that half of your login credentials are so easy to attain, it makes me nervous about security in my account even when i have a bunch of random number symbols and letters as my password XD .

k9mouse

olsborg wrote: »

I would really love a private mode, so you didnt show your @ name to everyone

^This!

tinythinker

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Ra'Shtar wrote: »

I have never liked that half of your login credentials are so easy to attain, it makes me nervous about security in my account even when i have a bunch of random number symbols and letters as my password XD .

k9mouse wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I would really love a private mode, so you didnt show your @ name to everyone

^This!

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2918115/#Comment_2918115

driosketch

tinythinker wrote: »

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Ra'Shtar wrote: »

I have never liked that half of your login credentials are so easy to attain, it makes me nervous about security in my account even when i have a bunch of random number symbols and letters as my password XD .

k9mouse wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I would really love a private mode, so you didnt show your @ name to everyone

^This!

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2918115/#Comment_2918115

Your link is talking about how account names where never secure. You quoted people saying they don't like that and wish it was more secure. This discussion is officially running in circles.

tinythinker

driosketch wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

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Ra'Shtar wrote: »

I have never liked that half of your login credentials are so easy to attain, it makes me nervous about security in my account even when i have a bunch of random number symbols and letters as my password XD .

k9mouse wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I would really love a private mode, so you didnt show your @ name to everyone

^This!

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2918115/#Comment_2918115

Your link is talking about how account names where never secure. You quoted people saying they don't like that and wish it was more secure. This discussion is officially running in circles.

No.

Please read.

Thanks.

I am quoting people who think that *this* change, where close-range/mouse-over/tab info now gives an @ -name, is something new and that is it potentially a major breach of security. I am pointing out that this info has always been available on PC/Mac to other players, and that anyone who wanted to farm that info for nefarious purposes already has much easier and efficient ways to get it.

Clearly many people never realized how easy it is to get this info, or they wouldn't suddenly be worried about it being added to the info you can only get from line-of-sighting a player close to you. I am informing them of this because those other ways of accessing the @ -name are far more exploitable. And then I suggested that if they are really concerned they should ask ZOS about additional security, and gave an example other games use--namely, one-time passwords.

This is moving the conversation forward by letting people know that they are worried about the porch light being burned out even though the curtains are open, the front door is hanging open, and mail has piled up in the box. If they are really worried about access to @ -names as a fraud-risk issue, then the whole @ -name in your character tabbing is the least of their worries.

For those just want more privacy but aren't worried about fraud, or if they think that seeing *other* people's @ -names is immersion-breaking, they can ask ZOS to change their minds about the new UI (good luck), but that is a different kettle of fish.

driosketch

tinythinker wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

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Ra'Shtar wrote: »

I have never liked that half of your login credentials are so easy to attain, it makes me nervous about security in my account even when i have a bunch of random number symbols and letters as my password XD .

k9mouse wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I would really love a private mode, so you didnt show your @ name to everyone

^This!

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2918115/#Comment_2918115

Your link is talking about how account names where never secure. You quoted people saying they don't like that and wish it was more secure. This discussion is officially running in circles.

No.

Please read.

Thanks.

I am quoting people who think that *this* change, where close-range/mouse-over/tab info now gives an @ -name, is something new

I'm going to stop you here becuse...

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

I have never liked

this right here is past tense.