Say hello (@names now visible on other players)

tinythinker

driosketch wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

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Ra'Shtar wrote: »

I have never liked that half of your login credentials are so easy to attain, it makes me nervous about security in my account even when i have a bunch of random number symbols and letters as my password XD .

k9mouse wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I would really love a private mode, so you didnt show your @ name to everyone

^This!

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2918115/#Comment_2918115

Your link is talking about how account names where never secure. You quoted people saying they don't like that and wish it was more secure. This discussion is officially running in circles.

No.

Please read.

Thanks.

I am quoting people who think that *this* change, where close-range/mouse-over/tab info now gives an @ -name, is something new

I'm going to stop you here becuse...

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

I have never liked

this right here is past tense.

And I am not wasting more time replying to you, because there are people who seem shocked at the idea of people seeing their @ - names. Those who already knew but don't like it are one thing, but where have those complaints been? No one has been worrying over on this on PC/Mac since launch, at least not on the forums. If people know that it's easy to get @ -names, and easier to get them by methods currently available rather than chasing players around, then my post reminds them of that fact, so ask ZOS for additional security if that bugs you.

For those who didn't know or never really thought much about it, now they do/have, and my post suggests that rather than worrying solely about the @ -name addition to tab info that they might want to also ask ZOS about additional security.

If you want to knit pick more when the point/purpose is obvious, go ahead, but it's not worth my time. Informing people about things they are worried about and potential solutions was, but not this.

driosketch

tinythinker wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

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Ra'Shtar wrote: »

I have never liked that half of your login credentials are so easy to attain, it makes me nervous about security in my account even when i have a bunch of random number symbols and letters as my password XD .

k9mouse wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I would really love a private mode, so you didnt show your @ name to everyone

^This!

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2918115/#Comment_2918115

Your link is talking about how account names where never secure. You quoted people saying they don't like that and wish it was more secure. This discussion is officially running in circles.

No.

Please read.

Thanks.

I am quoting people who think that *this* change, where close-range/mouse-over/tab info now gives an @ -name, is something new

I'm going to stop you here becuse...

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

I have never liked

this right here is past tense.

And I am not wasting more time replying to you, because there are people who seem shocked at the idea of people seeing their @ - names. Those who already knew but don't like it are one thing, but where have those complaints been? No one has been worrying over on this on PC/Mac since launch, at least not on the forums. If people know that it's easy to get @ -names, and easier to get them by methods currently available rather than chasing players around, then my post reminds them of that fact, so ask ZOS for additional security if that bugs you.

For those who didn't know or never really thought much about it, now they do/have, and my post suggests that rather than worrying solely about the @ -name addition to tab info that they might want to also ask ZOS about additional security.

If you want to knit pick more when the point/purpose is obvious, go ahead, but it's not worth my time. Informing people about things they are worried about and potential solutions was, but not this.

There were alot during PC launch:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/search?adv=1&search=Account+names+in+guild&title=&author=&cat=all&tags=&discussion_d=1&discussion_question=1&discussion_poll=1&comment_c=1&comment_answer=1&within=1+month&date=4/15/2014

People just haven't been banging their heads about it on the forums for 2 years until something like this brought it back to the forefront. Even I, who was never greatly bothered by it before, was given pause by this change. And really, just because it's been the case for a while doesn't make it okay now.

tinythinker

driosketch wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

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Ra'Shtar wrote: »

I have never liked that half of your login credentials are so easy to attain, it makes me nervous about security in my account even when i have a bunch of random number symbols and letters as my password XD .

k9mouse wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I would really love a private mode, so you didnt show your @ name to everyone

^This!

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2918115/#Comment_2918115

Your link is talking about how account names where never secure. You quoted people saying they don't like that and wish it was more secure. This discussion is officially running in circles.

No.

Please read.

Thanks.

I am quoting people who think that *this* change, where close-range/mouse-over/tab info now gives an @ -name, is something new

I'm going to stop you here becuse...

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

I have never liked

this right here is past tense.

And I am not wasting more time replying to you, because there are people who seem shocked at the idea of people seeing their @ - names. Those who already knew but don't like it are one thing, but where have those complaints been? No one has been worrying over on this on PC/Mac since launch, at least not on the forums. If people know that it's easy to get @ -names, and easier to get them by methods currently available rather than chasing players around, then my post reminds them of that fact, so ask ZOS for additional security if that bugs you.

For those who didn't know or never really thought much about it, now they do/have, and my post suggests that rather than worrying solely about the @ -name addition to tab info that they might want to also ask ZOS about additional security.

If you want to knit pick more when the point/purpose is obvious, go ahead, but it's not worth my time. Informing people about things they are worried about and potential solutions was, but not this.

There were alot during PC launch:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/search?adv=1&search=Account+names+in+guild&title=&author=&cat=all&tags=&discussion_d=1&discussion_question=1&discussion_poll=1&comment_c=1&comment_answer=1&within=1+month&date=4/15/2014

People just haven't been banging their heads about it on the forums for 2 years until something like this brought it back to the forefront. Even I, who was never greatly bothered by it before, was given pause by this change. And really, just because it's been the case for a while doesn't make it okay now.

Good point. Don't mind replying to those. But I mentioned that too in this thread or another. That people were all up in arms at launch, then they stopped caring/forgot/just kept quiet. So whether people didn't know or forgot, I'm letting them know and offering ideas for a solution if they are genuinely concerned. I don't care about people "knowing" it's me on the screen, and I honestly have no idea how big of a problem account hacks are for ESO, but if people are really worried they should start a thread that actually points out the full range of issues with account name exposure, otherwise it just looks like a fuss over privacy in-game rather than a security issue.

This thread was started as a "Hey, you can see it's me now in the game so say hi" kind of thing. I only talked about the whole account-name issue because some folks suddenly got worried about it (again or for the first time). Don't really mind the shift in emphasis, but, people need to be informed so that's what I've tried to accomplish.

Elsonso

tinythinker wrote: »

there are people who seem shocked at the idea of people seeing their @ - names. Those who already knew but don't like it are one thing, but where have those complaints been? No one has been worrying over on this on PC/Mac since launch, at least not on the forums.

This came up back in April 2014 and people started talking about "half of your login credentials" and, more alarmingly, "half the info needed to hack your account". When people say stuff like that, users put too much importance on stuff that is not effective at increasing account security. It is unfortunate because there are some real security steps that people can take to secure their account, and trying to hide the account name is not one of them. It distracts from the real security problem, that their password and password management habits are not very good.

Take @IrishGirlGamer and the University. Universities are bastions of bureaucracy, and bureaucracy loves ID numbers. I can only imagine that the University student ID numbers are plastered everywhere. For all I know, it is printed on the student ID cards and class rosters. It might be as easy to find the student's ID number as it is to find the student's name, and here is IT telling them to keep it secret. I can only hope that this also came with some accurate information about how to make a good password, and how to keep that password secure.

The truth is that account names cannot be secured and cannot be kept hidden. Trying to hide the account name is like trying to hide an adult elephant in your bathroom. A clever person is going to find it, and it won't take them long. Telling people to keep it a secret is either going to make them scared, because they know it is not secret, or make them over confident, because they think it is. It does not address the real problem with passwords and how they manage those passwords.

The issue with @ names in ESO has nothing to do with hacking or account security, and everything to do with the expectation of privacy. I honestly do not think that ESO has any privacy at this level, and never has. ESO has been handing out account names to anyone who bothers to ask for as long as the game has been out. I am hard pressed to say that Dark Brotherhood makes privacy in the game worse. The information has always been there. It does, however, make it much easier for PC/Mac players to find out who other people are.

tinythinker

lordrichter wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

there are people who seem shocked at the idea of people seeing their @ - names. Those who already knew but don't like it are one thing, but where have those complaints been? No one has been worrying over on this on PC/Mac since launch, at least not on the forums.

This came up back in April 2014 and people started talking about "half of your login credentials" and, more alarmingly, "half the info needed to hack your account".

Yeah I've been mentioning that, was a big fuss that fizzled out.

lordrichter wrote: »

When people say stuff like that, users put too much importance on stuff that is not effective at increasing account security. It is unfortunate because there are some real security steps that people can take to secure their account, and trying to hide the account name is not one of them. It distracts from the real security problem, that their password and password management habits are not very good.

Well, I've been sayin' in this thread that there are better security options, but that part has been ignored. I'm not an IT person, but I know there are extra measures available. I actually got confused in some games' log-in screens cause I'd never heard of them.

lordrichter wrote: »

The truth is that account names cannot be secured and cannot be kept hidden. Trying to hide the account name is like trying to hide an adult elephant in your bathroom. A clever person is going to find it, and it won't take them long.

You mean like /ignoring lots of people, skimming the forums for account names, joining a guild that recruits anyone/everyone, etc? Yeah, much easier than chasing people around in the game trying to look at their character info.

Anyway, I can't say what people should do, only that account names have never been private in ESO nor hard to get, and that focusing on hiding them from the external character view in the DB update takes away from looking at other options. I would love for someone who knows more about those other options to give us all, including me, an overview, but it's not something I myself am qualified to lecture anyone about or give detailed advice on.

IrishGirlGamer

lordrichter wrote: »

... Take @IrishGirlGamer and the University. Universities are bastions of bureaucracy, and bureaucracy loves ID numbers. I can only imagine that the University student ID numbers are plastered everywhere. For all I know, it is printed on the student ID cards and class rosters. It might be as easy to find the student's ID number as it is to find the student's name, and here is IT telling them to keep it secret. I can only hope that this also came with some accurate information about how to make a good password, and how to keep that password secure.

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This is a good point. Class rolls. Some e-mails. Yeah.

I still would prefer it if no one could see my account name - just my character name. Is that too much to ask?

Lava_Croft

Instead of focusing on @account names, try focusing on password strength.

Thevampirenight

I assume they did this for a reason but still don't like that our @names are visable to other players.
Pvpers won't like it because they will be able to see the names of players on alt charaters, durring pvp, and they will assume or think they are spies and this will increase hate messages for those players. That and also I don't want everyone seeing my @name. They do need to change this I think.
I don't mind if its shown on the side in chat, but on our characters no.

Annra

Ok, this is finally a game breaker for me.

Yes, my user ID is also my name here at the forum. I've criticised these half-witted management decision, showing my user ID to group- and guild members, since the very first day of this game. Therefore I was never in a guild, have strictly refused all group invites since beta and keep my friends list empty.
And now my user ID will be showing to everybody and his dog?

I don't want to be recognized as forum member in game.

If I want to join a guild, than only with chars I have chosen. Sometimes I prefer to play alone. In other games me and my friends had always "secret chars", which are not known within the guild. If we prefer to play solo, we could login with our secret chars and no one disturbs us.

All that is impossible here in ESO.

IrishGirlGamer

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Instead of focusing on @account names, try focusing on password strength.

Fair enough, from a online safety perspective. But why do you need to know my account name? What business is it of yours? How does knowing my account name add to your enjoyment of the game?

Really, I don't understand it. My account name is very similar to my forum name, and I've had people recognize it in game (usually guild friends so that's cool). It's really not a big deal, but - back to the internet safety concern - what does my account name add to other players enjoyment of ESO?

In two years of gameplay, I've never needed to know another player's account name. Other than idle curiosity or maybe to stalk someone, what need would any other player have for my account name?

Really @ZOS, explain this to me, because I'm really not seeing why you did this.

MaxBat

I know guilds use them because your account and not your character joins a guild. Also, when you ignore someone, you ignore the account not the character. Doesn't make much sense to just ignore the character.

majulook

My only questions is: Will this added info hovering above players heads increase lag? and or phasing?