NA PC BWB second attempt

Valen_Byte

skepticalfox wrote: »

You know that this exact form of thinking is what promotes gate farming. "They did it to us so let's do it to them" that's the type of reaction that won't allow change and could eventually kill this campaign

What I said was directed at one person, not a faction. I meant exactly what I said and nothing more.

Lumsdenml

vamp_emily wrote: »

Just another "Let them have their triangle" pic.

Guess how many is camping at our gate

I don't know, but I would like to thank AD for the fun bridge battles last night, the crazy DC Nightblade brigade that joined in around sej, and for helping me get one of the last 4 skyshards I needed in cyrodiil.

It wasn't a very map productive night, but it was fun!

vamp_emily

The map might be all yellow, but I made it to no. 5




And not by cheating A year ago I was afraid to come out of the prison at the first level. Now I am a trained assassin

Vendy

Hilariously EP took BB but its a shame to be those DC Since AD has been setting up forward camps the whole time at Rayles. It sucks to see the map in this condition as quite a few of the AD i'm friends with are not enjoying it either

[Yes i'm on my AD, EP don't hurt me]

Gederic

vamp_emily wrote: »

The map might be all yellow, but I made it to no. 5




And not by cheating A year ago I was afraid to come out of the prison at the first level. Now I am a trained assassin

So anyone who gets top ten is cheating? Okaaayyyy

vamp_emily

Gederic wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

The map might be all yellow, but I made it to no. 5




And not by cheating A year ago I was afraid to come out of the prison at the first level. Now I am a trained assassin

So anyone who gets top ten is cheating? Okaaayyyy

Did I say that? L2Read. I am proud that I made it to no. 5 and did not want someone like you to come here and down play my hard work. It took everything I had to get up in the top 5. Not sure how anyone has enough time to play and have the top 1 and 2 positions every week.

Gederic

vamp_emily wrote: »

Gederic wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

The map might be all yellow, but I made it to no. 5




And not by cheating A year ago I was afraid to come out of the prison at the first level. Now I am a trained assassin

So anyone who gets top ten is cheating? Okaaayyyy

Did I say that? L2Read. I am proud that I made it to no. 5 and did not want someone like you to come here and down play my hard work. It took everything I had to get up in the top 5. Not sure how anyone has enough time to play and have the top 1 and 2 positions every week.

Did I downplay your achievement in that post? No. I'm just saying don't say 'and not by cheating' because that's a very very very small portion of anyone who gets into the top ten.

DeadlyRecluse

Yeah this campaign (at least the last couple days) has been pretty garbage. I haven't really been playing, because it's less fun owning the whole map than it is being pushed back to tris, tbh.

Like, it's cool that we (AD) are going to win this camp, but I haven't had a lot of fun the past few nights.

Vendy wrote: »

as quite a few of the AD i'm friends with are not enjoying it either

I don't think I'm one of your friends, but yeah. Hopefully on reset it gets wild again!

WhitePawPrints

I don't like playing in an owned map so I have been playing DC last night to help balance it all out. I don't think many AD appreciated that. One of my guilds disappeared mysteriously last night.

My AD characters are quite strong but it would be no fun to kick them while they're down. I will come back at times when it is more balanced. I jus hope no AD took it personally when I killed them.

W0lf_z13

def agree that this campaign has been garbage, i dont mind dc losing campaigns... but when a team of 10 is overrun by a zerg of 40+ ( which happened yesterday ) it makes things not fun ... i know dc zergs ... but ive never seen zerging like yesterday from ad... no offense

DeadlyRecluse

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

def agree that this campaign has been garbage, i dont mind dc losing campaigns... but when a team of 10 is overrun by a zerg of 40+ ( which happened yesterday ) it makes things not fun ... i know dc zergs ... but ive never seen zerging like yesterday from ad... no offense

None taken, I feel the same way. Zerging sucks. Being zerged sucks. When the campaign is super zergy, from ANY faction, I tend to take the day off of PvP.

Vendy

vamp_emily wrote: »

Gederic wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

The map might be all yellow, but I made it to no. 5




And not by cheating A year ago I was afraid to come out of the prison at the first level. Now I am a trained assassin

So anyone who gets top ten is cheating? Okaaayyyy

Did I say that? L2Read. I am proud that I made it to no. 5 and did not want someone like you to come here and down play my hard work. It took everything I had to get up in the top 5. Not sure how anyone has enough time to play and have the top 1 and 2 positions every week.

Its not a big deal to get to first or second however keeping it all week is time consuming

EdmundTowers

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

def agree that this campaign has been garbage, i dont mind dc losing campaigns... but when a team of 10 is overrun by a zerg of 40+ ( which happened yesterday ) it makes things not fun ... i know dc zergs ... but ive never seen zerging like yesterday from ad... no offense

So where did the rest of DC go? Looks like most don't want to play unless they're dominating the campaign.

I notice Azuras is very active now. Swarming with 3 bar blues vs 2 bar the others, and the map is basically a blue version of current yellow BWB map. It's as if Azuras and BWB switched places.

W0lf_z13

seemed like a lot of people logged off... i know saturday, i got to the point where i said *** it and went to do some pve, and sunday i took occasional breaks but still kept attempting to retake stuff... but cant do TOO Much when out numbered by such a huge diffference.... i'll admit i jumped into Azuras for a little bit, but went back to bwb due to the map being mostly blue...

W0lf_z13

i did however have 1 hilarious fight later yesterday between an AD NB, i forget his name though... he was in stealth and marked me a few times as i was looking around trying to spot him...then he ran up to me and waved at me... exchanged a few hits and then he killed me.... went to pm him to tell him that that was hilarious but im guessing he has pm's blocked.... was a well deserved kill though lol

EdmundTowers

Return of the Night Cappers:

They kinda half-assed it since they didn't take all the scrolls.

W0lf_z13

EdmundTowers wrote: »

Return of the Night Cappers:

They kinda half-assed it since they didn't take all the scrolls.

looks like only 1 scroll was moved lol.... cause the scroll was there at alessia last night

DeadlyRecluse

The best part of that image is that we still have Dragonclaw!

Reverb

EdmundTowers wrote: »

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

def agree that this campaign has been garbage, i dont mind dc losing campaigns... but when a team of 10 is overrun by a zerg of 40+ ( which happened yesterday ) it makes things not fun ... i know dc zergs ... but ive never seen zerging like yesterday from ad... no offense

So where did the rest of DC go? Looks like most don't want to play unless they're dominating the campaign.

I notice Azuras is very active now. Swarming with 3 bar blues vs 2 bar the others, and the map is basically a blue version of current yellow BWB map. It's as if Azuras and BWB switched places.

It's not about dc wanting to dominate, dominating a campaign isn't fun. PvDoor isn't fun, and taking 30+ people to run down 5 defenders isn't fun.

There was a time that DC guilds were off-hours capping the map and scrolls and killing the competitive spirit of bwb, and they got called out for it daily. Because the manority of dc didn't like it, and the wins felt a little dirty. The last several cycles have had nearly balanced pops, huge 3-way battles for emp keeps, and routine exchanging of scrolls. EP was underrepresented, and many dc were vocal about wishing their pop was higher, to make the map more dynamic.

This cycle, AD seems to feel the exact opposite - wanting to actively discourage competetive pvp. Last night, 3 bars AD to 1 each blue and red. AD had flagged Glade, was taking Rayles resources, and sieging Arrius. Attempting to take the home tri-keeps, despite already having emp, all scrolls, and a huge lead in the score. Everywhere you saw AD, you saw 20 of them.
Most players won't stick around to be beaten down like that.

When DC does it, I'm embarassed by it. AD should feel the same.

Giraffon

EdmundTowers wrote: »

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

def agree that this campaign has been garbage, i dont mind dc losing campaigns... but when a team of 10 is overrun by a zerg of 40+ ( which happened yesterday ) it makes things not fun ... i know dc zergs ... but ive never seen zerging like yesterday from ad... no offense

So where did the rest of DC go? Looks like most don't want to play unless they're dominating the campaign.

I notice Azuras is very active now. Swarming with 3 bar blues vs 2 bar the others, and the map is basically a blue version of current yellow BWB map. It's as if Azuras and BWB switched places.

Yeah, Azura was a mess last night. Totally blue. They had beaten everyone back to their gates. We were sitting in Farragut last night and we saw the farm turn blue. About 4-5 of us went to take it back and a full raid group was on us quick.

So yeah, I think they went to Azura.

Vendy

EdmundTowers wrote: »

Return of the Night Cappers:

They kinda half-assed it since they didn't take all the scrolls.

I ran 2 scrolls... We took them

vamp_emily

I don't mind being on an alliance that is an underdog. However, I hear so many complaints about "balancing" but really everyone is complaining about the wrong thing. The biggest problem besides lag in some campaigns is "Population Balance".

The real EASY button is not NBs, Magicka Sorcerers, Cloak, WB or Sieges, its AD. Every time I look AD usually has 1 Bar or 2 bars more than the other alliances.

I feel we create balance in this game, and when you have one alliance that is Over Populated it does create an unbalanced playing field and becomes discouraging to play. I actually had to log off because I was tired of fighting 2,3, 4 or 5 AD everywhere I went then ended up dying. Not only that, AD burned down every siege I had and I became broke.

I actually had to help EP out this weekend. Logged in and seen AD trying to take Arrius. We had no players on, so I ran over to Arrius to try and help them defend against AD. That kind of sucked because the emp killed me like 6 times. Then later in the day I sent my group over to BRK and wiped AD on top floor as they tried to take BRK.

On the flip side, It was nice seeing EP helping us Siege Allessia. I put up 3 sieges and right next to me EP also put up sieges.

I really don't know what the solution is, maybe ZOS should cap population, preventing players from logging in to BwB when their alliance is over populated, or maybe Buffing up walls and guards so that it is much harder for a Over Populated alliance to take keeps, or we all come up with our own solution to make the population more balanced. I personally would not want to switch to a different alliance, but I would if it made BwB fun for all.

Right now I think EP and DC should work together when AD is over populated. Just an example would be, EP sends a large group to ASH gate, setup up a few FCs to prevent AD from defending ASH. This way DC would have a chance to get Ash back fast. DC could do the same, set up camp at the allessia bridge giving EP time to take back their keeps.

It is possible for 2 alliances to work together when one alliance is over populated.

vamp_emily

EdmundTowers wrote: »

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

def agree that this campaign has been garbage, i dont mind dc losing campaigns... but when a team of 10 is overrun by a zerg of 40+ ( which happened yesterday ) it makes things not fun ... i know dc zergs ... but ive never seen zerging like yesterday from ad... no offense

So where did the rest of DC go? Looks like most don't want to play unless they're dominating the campaign.

I notice Azuras is very active now. Swarming with 3 bar blues vs 2 bar the others, and the map is basically a blue version of current yellow BWB map. It's as if Azuras and BWB switched places.

I really think it was just the time of the day because when I went to Azuras the only keep DC had was Dragonclaw and EP had no keeps. I think that might have been early Saturday morning when I went. I went their later in the night Saturday and was fighting at Roe, AD was able to defend against EP and DC. I whispered someone from AD and asked what was the D-Tick, and they got 38K AP for defending Roe. It must be nice getting 38k AP for defending a keep.

W0lf_z13

i know for some people ( including myself ) tempers were running fairly high due to this weekends pvp.... i accidently raged on one of my own guild members thinking it was them who said something when it was someone else not in the guild... when usually i play with the mind set of take it out on the other faction....

Gederic

vamp_emily wrote: »

I don't mind being on an alliance that is an underdog. However, I hear so many complaints about "balancing" but really everyone is complaining about the wrong thing. The biggest problem besides lag in some campaigns is "Population Balance".

The real EASY button is not NBs, Magicka Sorcerers, Cloak, WB or Sieges, its AD. Every time I look AD usually has 1 Bar or 2 bars more than the other alliances.

I feel we create balance in this game, and when you have one alliance that is Over Populated it does create an unbalanced playing field and becomes discouraging to play. I actually had to log off because I was tired of fighting 2,3, 4 or 5 AD everywhere I went then ended up dying. Not only that, AD burned down every siege I had and I became broke.

I actually had to help EP out this weekend. Logged in and seen AD trying to take Arrius. We had no players on, so I ran over to Arrius to try and help them defend against AD. That kind of sucked because the emp killed me like 6 times. Then later in the day I sent my group over to BRK and wiped AD on top floor as they tried to take BRK.

On the flip side, It was nice seeing EP helping us Siege Allessia. I put up 3 sieges and right next to me EP also put up sieges.

I really don't know what the solution is, maybe ZOS should cap population, preventing players from logging in to BwB when their alliance is over populated, or maybe Buffing up walls and guards so that it is much harder for a Over Populated alliance to take keeps, or we all come up with our own solution to make the population more balanced. I personally would not want to switch to a different alliance, but I would if it made BwB fun for all.

Right now I think EP and DC should work together when AD is over populated. Just an example would be, EP sends a large group to ASH gate, setup up a few FCs to prevent AD from defending ASH. This way DC would have a chance to get Ash back fast. DC could do the same, set up camp at the allessia bridge giving EP time to take back their keeps.

It is possible for 2 alliances to work together when one alliance is over populated.

This is agreeable. There is not much EP can do when we sit around at low pop all day while AD is at medium or high and has emperor. We cling desperately to BRK or Sej, and even then we usually either get completely run over or barely hang on. At least the low pop has forced any remaining EP players to learn how to work in small groups or solo, and not just be little zerglings. Regardless, its still exceptionally annoying when you 1v1 an AD and then the entire zerg comes over to roll you over. Life goes on.

EP zone chat has been particularly bad as of late so I don't really blame anyone for not wanting to play EP, a few trolls have poisoned the alliance. EP can't decide if it would rather just rip each other apart or actually fight the other alliances, and it seems EP's last 'zerg' guild is content to repeatedly wipe to NPCs at Dragonclaw lol. Oh well I suspect the population will gradually shift back into DC or EP's favor as it has always done so in the past.

Could ZoS do better at balancing pop, definitely. I'm not sure capping an alliance to a low pop just because the others are at low pop is entirely fair. The buffing of NPCs and Keeps seems like a better approach, players are still allowed to play but the zerg has a harder time of rolling over the entire map.

You're going to start up the whole Purple Alliance topic again if you're not careful...(Although to be fair they kind of deserve it) I mean complaining about a night cap after effectively trying to kill the campaign for the week? Cry me a river, I'm sure the zerg will just run EP and DC over here in a few hours anyway..

EdmundTowers

Reverb wrote: »

EdmundTowers wrote: »

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

def agree that this campaign has been garbage, i dont mind dc losing campaigns... but when a team of 10 is overrun by a zerg of 40+ ( which happened yesterday ) it makes things not fun ... i know dc zergs ... but ive never seen zerging like yesterday from ad... no offense

So where did the rest of DC go? Looks like most don't want to play unless they're dominating the campaign.

I notice Azuras is very active now. Swarming with 3 bar blues vs 2 bar the others, and the map is basically a blue version of current yellow BWB map. It's as if Azuras and BWB switched places.

It's not about dc wanting to dominate, dominating a campaign isn't fun. PvDoor isn't fun, and taking 30+ people to run down 5 defenders isn't fun.

There was a time that DC guilds were off-hours capping the map and scrolls and killing the competitive spirit of bwb, and they got called out for it daily. Because the manority of dc didn't like it, and the wins felt a little dirty. The last several cycles have had nearly balanced pops, huge 3-way battles for emp keeps, and routine exchanging of scrolls. EP was underrepresented, and many dc were vocal about wishing their pop was higher, to make the map more dynamic.

This cycle, AD seems to feel the exact opposite - wanting to actively discourage competetive pvp. Last night, 3 bars AD to 1 each blue and red. AD had flagged Glade, was taking Rayles resources, and sieging Arrius. Attempting to take the home tri-keeps, despite already having emp, all scrolls, and a huge lead in the score. Everywhere you saw AD, you saw 20 of them.
Most players won't stick around to be beaten down like that.

When DC does it, I'm embarassed by it. AD should feel the same.

Yeah, I guess you're right. We shouldn't be attacking DC and hurting their feelings, or else they won't log in. It's killing the campaign when most of them leave for Azuras. I feel so ashamed.....


HehehehehehehehehHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHhoohohooooh...shame...

Vyle_Byte

vamp_emily wrote: »

I don't mind being on an alliance that is an underdog. However, I hear so many complaints about "balancing" but really everyone is complaining about the wrong thing. The biggest problem besides lag in some campaigns is "Population Balance".

The real EASY button is not NBs, Magicka Sorcerers, Cloak, WB or Sieges, its AD. Every time I look AD usually has 1 Bar or 2 bars more than the other alliances.

I feel we create balance in this game, and when you have one alliance that is Over Populated it does create an unbalanced playing field and becomes discouraging to play. I actually had to log off because I was tired of fighting 2,3, 4 or 5 AD everywhere I went then ended up dying. Not only that, AD burned down every siege I had and I became broke.

I actually had to help EP out this weekend. Logged in and seen AD trying to take Arrius. We had no players on, so I ran over to Arrius to try and help them defend against AD. That kind of sucked because the emp killed me like 6 times. Then later in the day I sent my group over to BRK and wiped AD on top floor as they tried to take BRK.

On the flip side, It was nice seeing EP helping us Siege Allessia. I put up 3 sieges and right next to me EP also put up sieges.

I really don't know what the solution is, maybe ZOS should cap population, preventing players from logging in to BwB when their alliance is over populated, or maybe Buffing up walls and guards so that it is much harder for a Over Populated alliance to take keeps, or we all come up with our own solution to make the population more balanced. I personally would not want to switch to a different alliance, but I would if it made BwB fun for all.

Right now I think EP and DC should work together when AD is over populated. Just an example would be, EP sends a large group to ASH gate, setup up a few FCs to prevent AD from defending ASH. This way DC would have a chance to get Ash back fast. DC could do the same, set up camp at the allessia bridge giving EP time to take back their keeps.

It is possible for 2 alliances to work together when one alliance is over populated.

Easy button?! Lmfao Explain to me how AD was an easy button when DC had us pushed back to our gates every single day for an entire month? Even with pop we struggled EVERY DAY. Do YOU know how frustrating that is? Don't get me wrong, I do not condone gate farming but to hear you above all talking about being an underdog and AD being an easy button is insulting. I can look back on the old thread and see how you belittled us and talked about how "AD deserves so much more than being pushed back to their gates". And then to see the whining about ONE weekend AD dominates and then suddenly you are an underdog LOL. Please. Deal with what we have for the past month and then I may feel for ya. Again, not condoning the farm factory just sayin when DC was doing the same thing all you had to say was "DC #1".

Also, at the time when you wiped the AD at BRK, all we even had was Alessia and most of our home keeps, we didn't even have Brindle, DC had the other half of the map.. including Roe so don't act like yellow owned the entire map all weekend long, because we didn't.

On a side note. That battle at Alessia at one point in the day when EP and DC were both on us, I have to admit that was the most fun I've had in a while, those were some great battles. And there were just as many of you guys as there were of us, the sea of red and blue seemed endless and just kept coming back, now that was a lot of fun.

vamp_emily

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

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I am not here crying about anything. I am simply discussing an issue that we seen last weekend. People are not having fun when one alliance has 2/3 times the pop. Do you not understand that? We need to find a way that everyone is having fun and not crying and then leaving the campaign.

Even with pop we struggled EVERY DAY.

That is why I say #DC-no1. We are strong, AD just needs 1 more population bar to beat us. Take that away and its nothing but squashed bananas laying around Cyro.

Also, at the time when you wiped the AD at BRK, all we even had was Alessia and most of our home keeps, we didn't even have Brindle, DC had the other half of the map.. including Roe so don't act like yellow owned the entire map all weekend long, because we didn't.

I did not say AD owned the entire map when we slaughtered you guys on top of BRK. We simply went there to stop you from having 2 Emp keeps.

I can look back on the old thread and see how you belittled us and talked about how "AD deserves so much more than being pushed back to their gates". And then to see the whining about ONE weekend AD dominates and then suddenly you are an underdog LOL.

What was I whining about in my post? I was talking about Over population, possible solutions and discussed strategy on how 2 alliances could work together. Is that what you call Whining? (LOL)

On a side note. That battle at Alessia at one point in the day when EP and DC were both on us, I have to admit that was the most fun I've had in a while, those were some great battles. And there were just as many of you guys as there were of us, the sea of red and blue seemed endless and just kept coming back, now that was a lot of fun.

This was what I was discussing. EP and DC working together to dethone the Emp. When I talk about it, you call it crying/whining but when you talk about it, you call it fun. ( LOL )

#DC-No1

Aillen

Vendy wrote: »

Hilariously EP took BB but its a shame to be those DC Since AD has been setting up forward camps the whole time at Rayles. It sucks to see the map in this condition as quite a few of the AD i'm friends with are not enjoying it either

[Yes i'm on my AD, EP don't hurt me]

I just saw this.

You're out of the guild.

Gederic

Aillen wrote: »

Vendy wrote: »

Hilariously EP took BB but its a shame to be those DC Since AD has been setting up forward camps the whole time at Rayles. It sucks to see the map in this condition as quite a few of the AD i'm friends with are not enjoying it either

[Yes i'm on my AD, EP don't hurt me]

I just saw this.

You're out of the guild.

Traitors must die

TR-8R