NA PC BWB second attempt

Vendy

TheDink wrote: »

Vendy wrote: »

TheDink wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

Respect to all of you who stay during bad times. It's difficult to stay loyal to a campaign during rough times. Good fights and great guild members will keep it alive, ever during frustrating times. Keep it up everybody!

agreed this happened to us with DC gate capping us and we stayed strong

I thought they were just going for scrolls?

back when sora had emp and he had a giant zerg they intended to gate cap us

Ah alright thought you were talking about earlier today

Lumsdenml

Epic battle at Sej last night. AD (wedding dresers?) takes down 2 walls and we hold them off until another group comes in and helps wipe them. Intense half hour battle with cold harbor weapons launching from both sides. Good times!

Adenoma

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Epic battle at Sej last night. AD (wedding dresers?) takes down 2 walls and we hold them off until another group comes in and helps wipe them. Intense half hour battle with cold harbor weapons launching from both sides. Good times!

If it was us, I'm bummed I logged off early! Though, we tend not to take down 2 walls... unless it's Kingscrest - we'll swiss cheese that.

Lumsdenml

Adenoma wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Epic battle at Sej last night. AD (wedding dresers?) takes down 2 walls and we hold them off until another group comes in and helps wipe them. Intense half hour battle with cold harbor weapons launching from both sides. Good times!

If it was us, I'm bummed I logged off early! Though, we tend not to take down 2 walls... unless it's Kingscrest - we'll swiss cheese that.

It was around 11pm PDT. Siege was set up on the S side and Sej was breached. They pushed in a couple of times, cold harbor trebs and oils held them back.... They then tried to set up siege and fire into the breach but was pushed back.... They then set up trebs on the rocks over the N side and opened up a second hole. We had cold stone trebs on both sides up top firing down on both holes, oils, meat bags, etc.... Forward camp went up and one of our guildies snuck out and burned it. Several more pushes from N as we troll reped the S breach. Then finally we got some help from another guild/pugs (not sure who came along) and helped us push out.... crazy times!

Ha! Kingscrest swiss cheese!

TheDink

[YT]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeL0IYsbU0U&feature=youtu.be[/YT]

This is basically the only reason AD comes to defend Black Boot daily.
Pretty annoying considering at happens all the god damn time, they don't even break down the walls and they still get in.
(Ignore the background talking, its teamspeak. Make sure to watch in 1080p fullscreen)

SondighMureaux

responding to TheDink's video and comment above. If the offenders got in through DK leap or similar NB ability against another player I think that is considered fair game. If they got in via some unintended design glitch (aka wall space, etc), then, I wholeheartedly agree that it's an unfair advantage and ZOS should fix it, and EP should stop doing it. I know EP would be crying foul if AD or DC perpetrated this against us.

Valen_Byte

sondighmureauxb14_ESO wrote: »

responding to TheDink's video and comment above. If the offenders got in through DK leap or similar NB ability against another player I think that is considered fair game. If they got in via some unintended design glitch (aka wall space, etc), then, I wholeheartedly agree that it's an unfair advantage and ZOS should fix it, and EP should stop doing it. I know EP would be crying foul if AD or DC perpetrated this against us.

Even when they use leap or tel strike, they are still cheating. They have a friend get on an AD toon and then tell him to stand where they can exploit there way in. A cheat is a cheat.

kyle.wilson

They are exploiting in, at dk can chains on the mage guards. but the NB have been getting inside help from AD.

BTW, one of my guildies is on that video. I thought you wouldn't sink so low as hanging with those losers. And, because of this i'm happy to see that your emp push on ep failed miserably last week.

kyle.wilson

Its always the same people doing it BTW.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

TheDink

kyle.wilson wrote: »

They are exploiting in, at dk can chains on the mage guards. but the NB have been getting inside help from AD.

BTW, one of my guildies is on that video. I thought you wouldn't sink so low as hanging with those losers. And, because of this i'm happy to see that your emp push on ep failed miserably last week.

Who and what are you even talking about, are you bashing on me or something? Ive never done an emp push on EP and i dont even play EP.
If you're talking about gregg, gregg is a cool dude and he is not a loser.

kyle.wilson

no, I'm talking about one of the EP in the video. He pushed for emp last week on ep. That was to call him out without name shaming. Which ZOS gets angry about. To be honest many of those "farmers" also still have AD chars themselves, that they could use for the exploit in.

Because name shaming is bad. m'kay!

To be honest, I don't play in bwb very often anymore. Ive mostly moved on to TF with another pvp guild. AD owns the map too often lately. Which I only play in Cyrodiil on AD char.

dashima

Hi familiar faces here!

So a couple weeks ago I decided to try BWB on my baby DC to level his alliance rank early, and admittedly it was one of the worst PvP experiences I've had. I got a lot of AP out of it but not returned to BWB since because everytime I look at the pop bars, it's always the same and..... ugh. lol.

I've been told by a lot of people from both AD & DC that people swap alliances and cap emp/switch the map colors which pretty much confirms what I saw sometimes during my time there. One moment we'll be fighting a huge number of AD, then suddenly, a huge number of EP appear out of nowhere and AD is nowhere to be found.

There were frequently emps on BWB, almost like a new one daily, which wouldn't be a bad thing if it weren't for severe population imbalances and the fact that the emps most likely did not win their position fair and square.

While I was there, most of DC just logged off because it was so, so exhausting to work hard to just take back one or two home keeps and then have a huge AD zerg us back down to our gates after primetime hours, and THEN have the AD guild in dresses try to farm the rest of our alliance at a resource - Xv1ing people basically, at that point. Even during primetime, DC generally only had more or less 10-25 people at all times that actually PvPed. I don't mind outnumbered fights but... there was just no balance in BWB. People weren't interested in competitive PvP in that campaign, just "winning" the map through zerging and feeling good about it. Three-fourths of the time I wasn't even able to fight any EP because our hands were too full with AD who had more numbers than DC and EP combined - that's the kind of imbalance I'm talking about.

I even tried to ask AD zone once - please slow down and let the other alliances have AT LEAST their home keeps to maintain a competitive PvP spirit, but got told off by everyone including the emp and that "___ did it to us ___ weeks ago, now we're doing it to them" which is the most petty excuse I've ever heard of. It's not like gate-farming or defending Glademist/Warden to the DEATH kills PvP permanently or whatever but it's pretty damn *** and reflects poorly on you as a player.

A lot of DC got tired of being unable to PvP and logged off. I still tried and worked hard to balance the campaign, AD players sent me a generous amount of hate tells, and I eventually vetted out my toon and never looked back. Even with the huge pop imbalances on Haderus, the PvP there is a huge relief from BWB PvP. And it's a shame cause BWB could be fun, but it's not because of the quality of the players there. By "quality" I mean the experienced but bad players, not the inexperienced ones. I think the most fun I had on BWB was probably through dueling and that's about it.

Anyway that's just my experience, from my time there. There's a ton of cool people in BWB but the PvP is terrible lol. Felt like I was gonna lose my mind playing there more than a couple hours at a time. Maybe I'll come back... when I'm ready. lol.

EdmundTowers

I thought AD owned Haderus. Looking at it I see a pop locked AD pop and the rest 2 bars. Isn't that worse than BWB?

W0lf_z13

was nice to run around in BwB a little bit last night

W0lf_z13

don't usually do this... but figured id add in a vid just cause it was ( at least to me ) a funny fight.... i think the fight ended with me having about 1% health lol

https://youtu.be/mDyXQ_vw260

kit_sune

Just want to say something on the ep getting into ad keeps like faregyl: how does a Templar get into a keep? Cause fare was not flagged and we fought an ep group inside the keep and they had two Templars there

Reverb

skepticalfox wrote: »

Just want to say something on the ep getting into ad keeps like faregyl: how does a Templar get into a keep? Cause fare was not flagged and we fought an ep group inside the keep and they had two Templars there

Eclipse bug + good aim.

Adenoma

I really hate to say it because I have next to no sympathy for DC or EP, but AD does need to back off of enemy keeps for a bit. There was a morning crew today that went through and PvDoored our AD emp back in. That isn't really fun for any alliance. I know that this is an issue common to each alliance, but it's hard to convince people to back off for a bit when there's no fighting except for the keep defense at Arrius or Glademist. I don't think that it's so much a cultural problem of any alliance, but more an issue of people just wanting to play the game.

I wish EP and DC were a bit more robust - it's a shame that folks tend to logoff so quickly or not logon at all. When folks do log on I feel like the server has become pretty zergy by necessity - AD often does a good job of mustering big groups and EP and DC have to follow Newton's third law of zerging and respond with zergs of equal and opposing nature.

W0lf_z13

was nice last night ( for the amount of time i was in BwB ) having all 3 factions with equal pop bars

Vendy

Since the recent vet out of V e n d y I haven't been very interested in leveling up a new blackwater toon and what people are saying on here about the continued AD dominance is discouraging me further.

Stridig

Sadly today is the start of my second week with minimal BwB gameplay. Very hard to stay away after several months of playing there daily. Unfortunately it has gotten worse lately with the populations of both DC and EP being at a minimum. The end of this campaign will be the first time I have never gotten loyalty rewards.

EdmundTowers

AD has always had a pop advantage on prime time. Youll see mention of it in the old thread. The other factions used to handle it fine before. Id like to think AD has gotten more organized and its why were winning now.

Or did that map flipping night guild that was on DC, then EP, now on AD?

SondighMureaux

I think one of the bigger, organized EP guilds left around February (granted I could be mistaken of the month, I was off for a bit, too) - but House Sotha was one of the groups flipping everything back before it started all over again. I think there were two other EP groups also around at that time. Once I returned recently it looked like they were all gone. I see a familiar face every now and then, but it's rare. Nothing wrong with new faces, mind you. I assumed the groups vetted and moved onto the trials and newer areas.

Lumsdenml

sondighmureauxb14_ESO wrote: »

I think one of the bigger, organized EP guilds left around February (granted I could be mistaken of the month, I was off for a bit, too) - but House Sotha was one of the groups flipping everything back before it started all over again. I think there were two other EP groups also around at that time. Once I returned recently it looked like they were all gone. I see a familiar face every now and then, but it's rare. Nothing wrong with new faces, mind you. I assumed the groups vetted and moved onto the trials and newer areas.

House Sotha disbanded a while ago. We have had a former PVE focused guild recently change so it is a PVP focused guild (vet and nonvet). This is pretty recent, so may not see those effects for a few weeks.

As for the nightcaping on EP, we have quite a few Aussies in our guild who play during their prime time. I know they have Emped for EP several time over the last couple of months, but don't know of anyone else doing it on EP.

SondighMureaux

Damn, it's unfortunate to hear about House Sotha. I rather enjoyed the group and the strange cast of characters included within. I, unfortunately, am not very good at the PvP, but I help where I can, and I am usually on at NA evening (central standard time). I hope to see the folks around.

dashima

I don't really understand AD's sentiment of "well so what if we have the zerg? you were outplayed, get over it. if you cared about winning you'd zerg too" As if that will fix all the current problems in BWB. Those AD farmers who are so keen on farming AP out of 1 bar pop alliances should be playing on those alliances instead. The AP is much better on the underdog side, trust me. It's no secret that the zerging alliance usually has the easiest-to-1vX players.

Maybe it's because AD is organized but I highly doubt it, because from what I saw they won because they had massive numbers and constantly held the map when most people were offline/at work/sleeping - the way most alliances win campaigns. The AD on this forum should probably stop blaming the loyal, hardworking DC/EP because they got frustrated and logged off or because they were unable to singlehandedly bring back competitive PvP for your yellow zerg.

I play AD on TF most of the time. And AD on BWB makes me not want to play AD there, similar situation with Haderus, which says a lot and is a problem that needs to be fixed. Time to reroll blue and red folks. If you love PvP and BWB learn to challenge yourselves and grow. This is fortunately super easy to do because it's the non-vet campaign and you can jump right in at lvl 10.

Lumsdenml

sondighmureauxb14_ESO wrote: »

Damn, it's unfortunate to hear about House Sotha. I rather enjoyed the group and the strange cast of characters included within. I, unfortunately, am not very good at the PvP, but I help where I can, and I am usually on at NA evening (central standard time). I hope to see the folks around.

Yeah, agreed about House Sotha. I joined their guild and then about 3 weeks later they disbanded.... I hope that was just a coincidence.... They were fun to run with.

I think we are in the same boat as far as skill level. I'd like to chalk it up to my lack of time I can play (about 2-3 hours a week), but some of the people on here are amazingly good, and not sure if I had all the time in the world to play it would make a difference!

SondighMureaux

*starts the Squishy Players Anonymous guild, opens enrollment*

Gederic

Sotha was an old and dying guild. A long and painful death, trust me. In its prime it was great, and since its death EP has not been quite the same. There used to always be an EMP group up at all times, usually with two full groups or more up. I don't even really know what really big guilds exist in EP anymore, none that have the same draw as Sotha once did.

Most of us old Sotha members have moved on from BwB, making new toons every few weeks is tiring. Since I vetted out the last one I really haven't had the desire to go back into BwB, its a struggle to get the few EP players/groups to work together and usually the pop drops before anything meaningful can be accomplished.

EP needs a more worthy successor to Sotha if it wants to be consistently competitive again, and a more consistent player base.

TheDink

If you other alliences are so angry at AD for "ruining" the campaign why don't you guys make some new groups or something, and change the map back to red/blue?

I go into EP zone and everyone is salty as hell and dislikes me just because im AD and just because AD is controlling the map.

Please stop whining about us zerging, or having high population and actually do something about it, if you really want a change. DC did this to us earlier and AD didn't give up. We banded together because we were tired of the map being like that and eventually pushed back DC.


(Not calling anybody out, and no, i do not agree to gate capping i think that ruins it)