AD faction on TrueFlame very selfish, wont invite LFg players.

PhatGrimReaper

I heard that @Ghostbane has volunteered to run PUGs for AD every night this week.... hit him up!

Erynyes

i'd say it's about the same on EP side, i usually run in small group with my buddies, we're a small guild of decent players like blade spirit, ishkashi, etc, who get emp often. When they are not online i end up playin solo, no one ever inv , it's all we're a closed guild serious bizzness BS, i don't even bother anymore, just doin my stuff solo, no guild recruiting anymore, they just all dying slowly, same with every faction, not taking in new blood and losing old timers with no one to replace them

RadioheadSh0t

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KenaPKK wrote: »

Rerolling is not the answer.

Nor is chastising @Reevster or other LFG players for trying to join organized groups led by players more experienced than themselves, or for not starting their own group. You don't know him or the others. He may be inexperienced and trying to learn PvP. He may simply not want to lead. Shame on anyone who talks down to LFG players and groups.

The solution is for a couple of experienced players in AD and the other factions to step up and run instructional LFG groups.

The most significant factor separating a pug from a member of a guild groups is discipline.

New or inexperienced players aren't going to teach themselves, and honestly, with the breakdown of many organized guilds recently, we need new groups to spring up.

I don't think anyone here is shaming LFG players, but coming on the forums and complaining about no LFG groups just serves no purpose, and deserves this type of response. Nothing anyone has said is out of line.

It's pretty simple. Start a group of your own, or look for a PVP guild. If you want to know why people don't like running LFG raids, run one yourself and you'll find out quickly. Even running a guild raid is stressful enough. Fact is, a lot of the experienced PvPers are burntout, and there aren't as many guilds willing to take on new players. Don't blame your faction for that, blame ZOS.

PhatGrimReaper

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

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KenaPKK wrote: »

Rerolling is not the answer.

Nor is chastising @Reevster or other LFG players for trying to join organized groups led by players more experienced than themselves, or for not starting their own group. You don't know him or the others. He may be inexperienced and trying to learn PvP. He may simply not want to lead. Shame on anyone who talks down to LFG players and groups.

The solution is for a couple of experienced players in AD and the other factions to step up and run instructional LFG groups.

The most significant factor separating a pug from a member of a guild groups is discipline.

New or inexperienced players aren't going to teach themselves, and honestly, with the breakdown of many organized guilds recently, we need new groups to spring up.

I don't think anyone here is shaming LFG players, but coming on the forums and complaining about no LFG groups just serves no purpose, and deserves this type of response. Nothing anyone has said is out of line.

It's pretty simple. Start a group of your own, or look for a PVP guild. If you want to know why people don't like running LFG raids, run one yourself and you'll find out quickly. Even running a guild raid is stressful enough. Fact is, a lot of the experienced PvPers are burntout, and there aren't as many guilds willing to take on new players. Don't blame your faction for that, blame ZOS.

^Great Post!!! - Leading a PUG is quite possibly the single most frustrating experiences one can have in this game.... the only thing that comes close is the grind for perfectly traited Spell Power Cure.

I would love to get every LFG in zone organised and doing something meaningful, but it just isn't that easy. People want the AP & results that the Guild groups get, but they don't want to grind the gear, put in time to learn the game, listen to the crown or put down siege.... LFGs are LFG's own worst Enemy!!!

Rylana

KenaPKK wrote: »

Rerolling is not the answer.

Nor is chastising @Reevster or other LFG players for trying to join organized groups led by players more experienced than themselves, or for not starting their own group. You don't know him or the others. He may be inexperienced and trying to learn PvP. He may simply not want to lead. Shame on anyone who talks down to LFG players and groups.

The solution is for a couple of experienced players in AD and the other factions to step up and run instructional LFG groups.

The most significant factor separating a pug from a member of a guild groups is discipline.

New or inexperienced players aren't going to teach themselves, and honestly, with the breakdown of many organized guilds recently, we need new groups to spring up.

Kena, you know I you but that asks a lot of people, honestly. Running with DR, this is pretty much all i have spent the last three months doing, and all I want to do is jump in and fight. I just want to PvP. Spending hours teaching people the basics, after the game has been out for 2 years now, really kills the joy of it.

Perhaps it is selfish, and I do not, not for one moment, envy those that came before me. It is harder than 1vXing. PvP final boss? Lead a group of newer/inexperienced players, it is a nightmare.

The cliches are all there

- The guy that wont change any part of his build
- The guy that wont stay with the group, will chase Xevenex or Kodi all over the place because SQUIRREL
- The guy that wont siege, or will pretend to siege by standing near someone elses
- The guy that tries to facetank siege
- The guy that uses PvE setups for PvP because so and so told him it was pro
- The guy that watched youtube videos and got the idea he was now all ready to jump in and be the next Sypher Ali.
- The guy that doesnt shut up in TS, talking about natch potes or hating the game or totally irrelevant stuff
- The guy that has no mic (this one really irritates me, even though I allow it)
- The guy that wont stop reporting to me when something is being hit despite me having killcounter addon and knowing a resource flipped, and the fact i check the map religiously as it is
- The guy that goes somewhere to save it, despite that not being the plan, because he clearly knows better than I do, and will argue with me for an hour after
- The guy that just wants AP for the emperor achievement and quits once he realizes it aint happening
- The guy that gets ganked over and over and over and over because he wont stealth or find an alternate route past the bridge or milegate.
- The guy that screams "THEY ARE BEHIND US" implying its a metric F ton of them, and its fricken Xevenex by himself.... and then half the raid is like SQUIRREEEEEEELLLLL

And on and on and on


Disclaimer: DR has improved a lot, but in the first month, jesus h christ. x.x

Artis

You know what guys, you say "Start a group yourself", but I don't think you know what you're saying.

I always thought that you just need to start your group if you can't find one. So when I finally decided to pvp and couldn't find a group in /zone chat, I would try to start my own. What do you think happened? Almost no one replied to my messages, guess, they wanted to run with guilds. And whoever did reply would leave almost immediately after seeing that he was the 1st one to join me.. or after seeing that there's only a few people in the group. Eventually I gave up on Cyro, ran sewers solo for some time, got invited to some all-NB guild, got kicked and then I just got tired and upset that no one wanted to play with me, so I went back full-time PvE

It's not that easy to just start my own group. It did work for me in PvE, I was running with people, teaching them fights (2 years ago, back when vDSA was up-to-date) and eventually completed vDSA - and not many groups could complete at that point. Although I have to say, that this approach didn't work when I wanted to do the same with trials. I am confident I would be able to lead a group, however, no people wanted to join a guild that yet had to form a trials group. I think, most people just want to join a group that is already running for a while and be carried (at least at first) before they learn.

I think the same mindset prevails in PvP. Could it be the case?

Van_0S

EP always welcomes lfg players.

Edit:
But if your a NB then you can go solo (like me). Its more fun in being solo because you get more experience and then join GRP play.

Edit1:
So, AD uses team speak and its not optional. Very sad!!!
Good thing I am in EP, otherwise I got to upgrade my PC that supports voice chat or play on my laptop( which I use it for work and its a no go for me)

For EP you have to use your instincts to fight in a battle and that make it more fun to play then someone continuously ordering you in what to do next.......

PhatGrimReaper

Artis wrote: »

You know what guys, you say "Start a group yourself", but I don't think you know what you're saying..........

Well, to be frank.... you think wrong!!

When I talk about the difficulties of PUG wrangling, I speak from first hand experience and I'm fairly certain that a lot of the others you are referring to also speak from experience.

PVP & PVE are completely different beasts.

Ghostbane

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

I heard that @Ghostbane has volunteered to run PUGs for AD every night this week.... hit him up!

They got Team Speak 7 and can stack four dimensionally on crown?

Van_0S

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

You know what guys, you say "Start a group yourself", but I don't think you know what you're saying..........

Well, to be frank.... you think wrong!!

No!! Your wrong !!!
When an inexperienced player becomes a leader and make wrong decisions or when the zone chat is not giving any ideas where to go next then the leader is stuck and makes poor decision, thus majority of players in that group leaves. So, instead of solving the problem it gets backfired.

Edit:
Even "time" is very important to the leader and its group to make quick decision and acting on it.

I say this as decent player but a poor leader atm.

Van_0S

Artis wrote: »

You know what guys, you say "Start a group yourself", but I don't think you know what you're saying.

I always thought that you just need to start your group if you can't find one. So when I finally decided to pvp and couldn't find a group in /zone chat, I would try to start my own. What do you think happened? Almost no one replied to my messages, guess, they wanted to run with guilds. And whoever did reply would leave almost immediately after seeing that he was the 1st one to join me.. or after seeing that there's only a few people in the group. Eventually I gave up on Cyro, ran sewers solo for some time, got invited to some all-NB guild, got kicked and then I just got tired and upset that no one wanted to play with me, so I went back full-time PvE

It's not that easy to just start my own group. It did work for me in PvE, I was running with people, teaching them fights (2 years ago, back when vDSA was up-to-date) and eventually completed vDSA - and not many groups could complete at that point. Although I have to say, that this approach didn't work when I wanted to do the same with trials. I am confident I would be able to lead a group, however, no people wanted to join a guild that yet had to form a trials group. I think, most people just want to join a group that is already running for a while and be carried (at least at first) before they learn.

I think the same mindset prevails in PvP. Could it be the case?

Reroll EP!!!
or
Go solo and see what news arrives at zone chat and go for that hotspot. I have done soloing for less than a month and it did helpme a lot, I was able to learn new tricks from it.

Basically what I want to say is "Soloing is the key to learn your character"
.

Roaldy

Hagnado 2016 make AD great again

failkiwib16_ESO

In 2014 I was coerced to port to Auriels Bow by a friend with benefits. I went there, did the tutorial and joined the zerg, but my horse was slow so I was behind the team.... I suddently noticed a player jump down from a rock and run toward me, he took a lot of fall damage (back then it was really bad, lucky it got nerfed) so I casted a few heals ...it didn't work, and I ended up using all my magicka hopelessly trying to heal him up.

I found out he was an enemy player on my death recap.

My darling friend ran back to me, ressurrected my poor dead body, and because I was so exited I pressed the first button possibe and spawned at shrine.

20 minutes later, I got close enough to my group, and I saw the mongol horde of EP rush toward a resource we were going toward as well, and when we arrived, I remember I only healed people, because I was afraid of dealing friendly fire and kill my own fellow elves and kittens.

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Around Christmas I was running around naked to the trophy vaults in Imperial City, because I didn't want to bother with armor repair. I spotted a 24 mans group from one of my pve guilds doing achievements, and 3 randoms running with them.

15min later I saw the randoms ask LFG in zone, and they continued to stalk my friend's guildgroup.
10min after that they still LFG in zone, stalking my friend's guildgroup.

I finelly had it, I wrote back in zone and explained that they were a guild, doing achievements and not grinding ..that they were on teamspeak and not reading the chat. That is when the stalkers actually quit stalking what they thought was a grind group.

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I do agree that people should not expect to get carried, or be taken into a group. Being forced to play with other players is just wrong.

However maybe those players who are experienced and have the ...it wouldn't be such a bad thing to invite a few randoms and pugs into your guilds, and maybe give some advice and recomendations to other guilds every now and then.

PvP carebearing does pay off, because it improves the community and strengthens the faction.

DeadlyRecluse

Rylana wrote: »

- The guy that doesnt shut up in TS, talking about natch potes or hating the game or totally irrelevant stuff

This is the worst. Random negativity in TS, especially when they talk over lead...

I'm a pretty easy-going lead, imo. About the only thing that makes me rage is when we get wiped not by the enemy, but because one guy dies because he yoloed out of the group, then decides now is the time to go on a tirade about the state of the game and how he couldn't break CC, making group coordination near-impossible for the up duration of the fight.

zyk

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

However maybe those players who are experienced and have the ...it wouldn't be such a bad thing to invite a few randoms and pugs into your guilds, and maybe give some advice and recomendations to other guilds every now and then.

PvP carebearing does pay off, because it improves the community and strengthens the faction.

Only to a point. In the old days of gaming, PVE was challenging. For a player to succeed, he or she had to put the work in to learn. Over time, PVE in all games was reduced in difficulty to the point players didn't even need to know how to play. This is ESO PVE. Well, 99.9% of it.

That doesn't work in PVP. You can't nerf the opposition. If you want to be a contributor in PVP, you have to put the work in to learn. Google. Watch videos. Ask for advice. Be humble. Join a guild.

Many of the chronically LFG players in this game don't want to do this. They don't want to put the time in to learn the game. They don't want to adapt their builds. They don't want to follow orders or accept a chain of command. They don't want to commit to a guild. They want a group to be available to provide them with a good experience whenever they happen to feel like it with no strings attached.

How hard is it to find Tamrielfoundry.com and read?

I've been gaming online for decades now. The guilds and groups in this game are actually incredibly nice and forgiving. It's not super-serious like some other games. If you can't make PVP work in ESO, PVP probably isn't for you.

RDMyers65b14_ESO

I have a 'training' alt who is AD. I managed to get her to 10 so I could enter Cyrodil. I looked at the map and went to the keep that was likely UA as there were swords showing. I dropped my fire siege and prepared to defend. Once the EP were driven back, I helped fix the keep. I had no less than 2 guild invites because I showed them that I knew what I was doing and could contribute. If you are having problems finding a group, then it is up to you to make yourself viable. I know that when I lead, I will not pick up lfg as I have had too much trouble with people who don't want to contribute or stay on crown. If you won't listen, then you don't need a group.

ScarecrowBoat

Type ranger for group

PainfulFAFA

ScarecrowBoat wrote: »

Type ranger for group

Rangers... :'(

AddictionX

Shoulda rolled EP... its never too late, my first kill achievement was... altmer... surprise!

For the most part EP is pug friendly imo

PhatGrimReaper

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

You know what guys, you say "Start a group yourself", but I don't think you know what you're saying..........

Well, to be frank.... you think wrong!!

No!! Your wrong !!!
When an inexperienced player becomes a leader and make wrong decisions or when the zone chat is not giving any ideas where to go next then the leader is stuck and makes poor decision, thus majority of players in that group leaves. So, instead of solving the problem it gets backfired.

Edit:
Even "time" is very important to the leader and its group to make quick decision and acting on it.

I say this as decent player but a poor leader atm.

Failing = Learning..... if people quit, hard luck... they were never going to have the commitment to stay around and learn the game anyway... not in PVP or PVE. If you quit at the first obstacle, I don't think you'd add much to the cause anyhow.

As a leader I have made many, many mistakes, each one I have learnt from and they have made me better.

As a 'poor' leader, maybe you just need to go out and make mistakes.................

Ghostbane

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

You know what guys, you say "Start a group yourself", but I don't think you know what you're saying..........

Well, to be frank.... you think wrong!!

No!! Your wrong !!!
When an inexperienced player becomes a leader and make wrong decisions or when the zone chat is not giving any ideas where to go next then the leader is stuck and makes poor decision, thus majority of players in that group leaves. So, instead of solving the problem it gets backfired.

Edit:
Even "time" is very important to the leader and its group to make quick decision and acting on it.

I say this as decent player but a poor leader atm.

Failing = Learning..... if people quit, hard luck... they were never going to have the commitment to stay around and learn the game anyway... not in PVP or PVE. If you quit at the first obstacle, I don't think you'd add much to the cause anyhow.

As a leader I have made many, many mistakes, each one I have learnt from and they have made me better.

As a 'poor' leader, maybe you just need to go out and make mistakes.................

By that logic, I'm the best lead in the universe. ( on a daily basis )

failkiwib16_ESO

zyk wrote: »

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

However maybe those players who are experienced and have the ...it wouldn't be such a bad thing to invite a few randoms and pugs into your guilds, and maybe give some advice and recomendations to other guilds every now and then.

PvP carebearing does pay off, because it improves the community and strengthens the faction.

Only to a point. In the old days of gaming, PVE was challenging. For a player to succeed, he or she had to put the work in to learn. Over time, PVE in all games was reduced in difficulty to the point players didn't even need to know how to play. This is ESO PVE. Well, 99.9% of it.

That doesn't work in PVP. You can't nerf the opposition. If you want to be a contributor in PVP, you have to put the work in to learn. Google. Watch videos. Ask for advice. Be humble. Join a guild.

Many of the chronically LFG players in this game don't want to do this. They don't want to put the time in to learn the game. They don't want to adapt their builds. They don't want to follow orders or accept a chain of command. They don't want to commit to a guild. They want a group to be available to provide them with a good experience whenever they happen to feel like it with no strings attached.

How hard is it to find Tamrielfoundry.com and read?

I've been gaming online for decades now. The guilds and groups in this game are actually incredibly nice and forgiving. It's not super-serious like some other games. If you can't make PVP work in ESO, PVP probably isn't for you.

That kinda applies to pve as well, if you go to the general section of the forums, you will see a lot of discussions about useless pugs, wanna-be-carried-through-dungeon baddies that queque in with tank or healer role and not play those roles, through use of the grouping tool.

Pvp in that sense is also nerfed far into Oblivion, just think of the the amount of skills, mechanics and buffs that have been readjusted to balance pvp, alongside healing, damage and shield nerfs, and with a no veteran campaign + no cp campaigns added, and advancements added to the battlescaling system.

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What never stops amazing me is the amount of pve'rs following pvp streamers and copying their builds for pve - despite the player showing videos and mentioning that the build is only for pvp.

I mean it has come to the point where everytime I hear a lowbie of mine mention Sypher before a dungeon run, I get scared as hell and my officers start trolling me in the officer chat.
Last time a guildie of mine spent every gold he had to upgrade his Engine Guardian to legendary quality, with the purpose of keeping up pve Damage Dealing x_x

Noob pve'er watching sypher & other pvp streamers;

• Healing ward spamming sorc DD streaking through bosses to proc crystal frags.
• Vampire magicka nightblade DD wearing healthy traited Endurance set.
• Vampire sorc DD requesting me to help with farming the Maw of The Infernal set.
• Vampire sorc DD enchanting 5/7 armor pieces with prismatic glyphs for trials.
• Vampire templar magicka DD spamming Jesus Beam when boss is at 100% health, executing with Biting Jabs.

...the list goes on and on, however I have managed to pull and drag some horrible noobs through a transformation in pve to become viable for endgame content and tbh. it has been worth the trouble.

In my experience some players aren't interested or invested enough in the game, and others just refuse to change playstyle to be more contributing in groups, and there is not much I can do about those. The vast majority of my younglings still do learn a bit and advance slowly, while a handful of them progress fast.

For learning pvp, I throw my younglings in the arms of my pvp friends. I'm too much of a noob to train anyone in anything there lol

Satiar

There's a lot of unpolished jewels to be found in zone chat. I still have members in VE I pulled out of zone chat who stayed with and became pillars of the guild.

It's hard work but someone has to do it. Than you improve and slow recruiting/pug herding, and someone else raises the banner.

It just sounds like that cycle has stopped altogether on AD

zyk

Satiar wrote: »

There's a lot of unpolished jewels to be found in zone chat. I still have members in VE I pulled out of zone chat who stayed with and became pillars of the guild.

It's hard work but someone has to do it. Than you improve and slow recruiting/pug herding, and someone else raises the banner.

It just sounds like that cycle has stopped altogether on AD

Nah, there are still AD pugs. I hope I don't come across as anti-pug. I think it's good way to build up a guild.

AD's biggest problem is probably its initial popularity as the first FOTM faction. Early in the game, it was the clear choice for casual players. The players who left to other factions for different reasons were rarely casual. So we lost a lot of organized players and leaders.

The result is AD probably has a disproportionate number of casual players. On the flip side, I think it's fair to say DC has a disproportionate number of organized players. I suppose EP is somewhere in between.

Stratforge

This is is the silver lining to not having text chat on consoles. You can just tell by the way a person asks in Area chat to be picked up whether they're gonna be cool or a drag. Can't do that if someone just types "lfg".

PhatGrimReaper

Ghostbane wrote: »

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

You know what guys, you say "Start a group yourself", but I don't think you know what you're saying..........

Well, to be frank.... you think wrong!!

No!! Your wrong !!!
When an inexperienced player becomes a leader and make wrong decisions or when the zone chat is not giving any ideas where to go next then the leader is stuck and makes poor decision, thus majority of players in that group leaves. So, instead of solving the problem it gets backfired.

Edit:
Even "time" is very important to the leader and its group to make quick decision and acting on it.

I say this as decent player but a poor leader atm.

Failing = Learning..... if people quit, hard luck... they were never going to have the commitment to stay around and learn the game anyway... not in PVP or PVE. If you quit at the first obstacle, I don't think you'd add much to the cause anyhow.

As a leader I have made many, many mistakes, each one I have learnt from and they have made me better.

As a 'poor' leader, maybe you just need to go out and make mistakes.................

By that logic, I'm the best lead in the universe. ( on a daily basis )

That's why we nominated you to lead the LFG pug!

Karamis_Vimardon

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

You know what guys, you say "Start a group yourself", but I don't think you know what you're saying..........

Well, to be frank.... you think wrong!!

No!! Your wrong !!!
When an inexperienced player becomes a leader and make wrong decisions or when the zone chat is not giving any ideas where to go next then the leader is stuck and makes poor decision, thus majority of players in that group leaves. So, instead of solving the problem it gets backfired.

Edit:
Even "time" is very important to the leader and its group to make quick decision and acting on it.

I say this as decent player but a poor leader atm.

Failing = Learning..... if people quit, hard luck... they were never going to have the commitment to stay around and learn the game anyway... not in PVP or PVE. If you quit at the first obstacle, I don't think you'd add much to the cause anyhow.

As a leader I have made many, many mistakes, each one I have learnt from and they have made me better.

As a 'poor' leader, maybe you just need to go out and make mistakes.................

By that logic, I'm the best lead in the universe. ( on a daily basis )

That's why we nominated you to lead the LFG pug!

I would roll an AD for this. Lead us senpai @Ghostbane !

heystreethawk

ScarecrowBoat wrote: »

Type ranger for group

OH MY GOD WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN WE'VE CALLED SO MANY HOSPITALS

Mrs_Quietus

RANGER

PhatGrimReaper

Tonight in Oceanic time every LFG in TF Zone will get a group invite!!

I'll show you how not to PVP!