Shuffle Bug Needs To Be Fixed ASAP

Sunburnt_Penguin

The issue is that you never remember the times where someone was re-casting Shuffle and you hit them 5/5: you only remember the times where you missed 5/5.

"2 OP pls nurf, ZohS"

Bfish22090

it stacks on itself. its so bugged

OdinForge

The last time I signed in, I used blur for the first time in a while.

I was dodging *** left and right, sometimes several times in a row.

Am I a l33t shuffle exploiter now too.

sluice

I better switch from Double Take to Shuffle then!

Anazasi

my guess is x + x + X makes it pretty hard not to dodge. I would be looking at some of the crafted sets that seem to be adding up that dodge chance. I doubt its the actually ability that is broke because honestly ZOS isn't that stupid. But players who theory craft will have found a way to make a dodge build work. I'm just guessing on this one.

rfennell_ESO

manny254 wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Don't take away my 50% dodge chance, I'll say anything because I live up to my name.

Gotcha, but fact is you see people dodging WAY more than 20% and you see it regularly. I guess you don't because you can't attack your DC buddies.

way to edit what I actually said to make it your own. You literally have NO PROOF of any factual evidence that the ability is bugged. I have a pretty good idea who you are too with your crying hate tells you send me and the groups I play with daily. Get over yourself bud.

Crown wrote: »

@zyk We identified that to them at the last two guild meetings as well. Even told them how to do it (to stack dodge chance up to 99%).

Maybe you can try a "these are not the droids you are looking for" or something.

I find it funny that you referenced what crown said. I randomly talked to him before he quit, and the bug is referencing has to do with recasting Elude (other morph) at very specific times. No idea how to do it, but that is what he told me a while ago.

I find it hilarious that the other day someone was accusing me of using some bug because I recast shuffle. I wonder if it ever occurs to people that refreshing snare immunity is a good idea while getting zerged.

It's obvious the ability itself isn't just outright bugged.

I've had the whisper regarding shuffle and recasting it, but if you need to reposition or get away shuffle, dodge roll and sprint works quite well. It doesn't stack in any way I see with normal usage.

It could be a typical ZOS bug of holding block and casting shuffle or some other nonsense, or crouch and shuffle or who knows what. No one would have ever though the instant stamina regen (from 0 to 100% in a second) worked, and on these forums the response of those using it was similar to the deniers here. The sprint->dodge roll bug that was abused for a quite a while was same way.

I think a lot of people have been seeing a lot of dodges, it CAN be explained by more and more people using shuffle in pvp... If you have a group of 10 and they all use shuffle, a dodgeable ae will show two dodges more than a group not using shuffle.

But, there are times where RNG on "some" people is a little too favorable and it's nearly always for them. I've seen certain magblades go into full out dodging every other attack mode while they get away after their bombing run. It's enough (and often more than enough), and in regards to specific grouping of people, that it's impossible to ignore.

Yoyuyi999

Wether this skill is bugged or not (I personally do not believe so) its unbalanced. I have recently been playing a lot of magicka classes that I've leveled lately and jesus christ. Dodge chance in a game like ESO is incredibly stupid. They need to nerf it so you can't dodge whilst CC'd OR add an internal cooldown to the dodging so you can't dodge 5 attacks in a row.

I 100% believe that this skill (and possibly vigor as well) is what makes stamina incredibly strong. I don't know if its stronger than magicka in this current patch, but these two skills seem to make it perform a bit over the top nonetheless.

P.S. I main a stamina DK. I recently leveled a Magicka Templar, Magicka NB and a Magicka Sorc with a Magicka DK also on the way to v16.

Satiar

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Wow.

That's super lame.

rfennell_ESO

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Figured it would be some bs with block and macros.

I do see some weird behavior on the people abusing this, combat is pretty quick paced and my camera is pretty far back so I'm guessing this is what it is.

What this thread really needs now is someone to both deny this is possible and then deny macros are exploited in game, just for the sheer humor of it.

Anti_Virus

First you all QQ about perma dodge roll which was stam builds only way of surviving(until vigor was reduced) and got it nerfed.

Now when some stam builds turn to a 20% DODGE change skill for survival since you are punished by rolling within a time frame even when people perma root you (bombard,Talons) I only use this skillro remove snares since EVERYTHING snares you in pvp and you all want this skill nerfed along with dodge roll? LOL.

Its a 20% change to dodge ONE attack. It isn't a shield that covers your whole HP stacks and give you crit immunity so the QQ over this skill is silly and nerfing it will bring this game back to elder robes online.

HoloYoitsu

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

First you all QQ about perma dodge roll which was stam builds only way of surviving(until vigor was reduced) and got it nerfed.

Now when some stam builds turn to a 20% DODGE change skill for survival since you are punished by rolling within a time frame even when people perma root you (bombard,Talons) I only use this skillro remove snares since EVERYTHING snares you in pvp and you all want this skill nerfed along with dodge roll? LOL.

Its a 20% change to dodge ONE attack. It isn't a shield that covers your whole HP stacks and give you crit immunity so the QQ over this skill is silly and nerfing it will bring this game back to elder robes online.

You're funny. First off, Vigor & infinite Dodge Roll were introduced at the same time. The way stam builds survived before that was this neat thing called Blocking & strategic (read, 'non infinite') use of Dodge Roll. You know why people 'QQd' about infinite Dodge Roll? Because it was one of the stupidest things this game has ever seen.

No one's complaining about 20% dodge chance from Shuffle, people are complaining about a supposed bug that stacks the dodge chance to more than 20%. The issue is about whether or not such a bug exists, this thread is not about "wah nerf Shuffle".

And I guess since you want to toss in shield QQ I'll go over that too. Those non critable shields you QQ about also come with 0 armor/spell mitigation. That is the tradeoff and the reason Wrobel will most likely never make shields critable. You're trying to compare Shuffle and shields as if they are 1:1 analogues, they aren't.

Anti_Virus

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

First you all QQ about perma dodge roll which was stam builds only way of surviving(until vigor was reduced) and got it nerfed.

Now when some stam builds turn to a 20% DODGE change skill for survival since you are punished by rolling within a time frame even when people perma root you (bombard,Talons) I only use this skillro remove snares since EVERYTHING snares you in pvp and you all want this skill nerfed along with dodge roll? LOL.

Its a 20% change to dodge ONE attack. It isn't a shield that covers your whole HP stacks and give you crit immunity so the QQ over this skill is silly and nerfing it will bring this game back to elder robes online.

You're funny. First off, Vigor & infinite Dodge Roll were introduced at the same time. The way stam builds survived before that was this neat thing called Blocking & strategic (read, 'non infinite') use of Dodge Roll. You know why people 'QQd' about infinite Dodge Roll? Because it was one of the stupidest things this game has ever seen.

No one's complaining about 20% dodge chance from Shuffle, people are complaining about a supposed bug that stacks the dodge chance to more than 20%. The issue is about whether or not such a bug exists, this thread is not about "wah nerf Shuffle".

And I guess since you want to toss in shield QQ I'll go over that too. Those non critable shields you QQ about also come with 0 armor/spell mitigation. That is the tradeoff and the reason Wrobel will most likely never make shields critable. You're trying to compare Shuffle and shields as if they are 1:1 analogues, they aren't.

Lol you're funny because vigor in 1.6 required Alliance rank 10 so only a few ppl that played all day had access to that skill.

You said blocking was strategic? You know they nerfed that too right? LOL btw elaborate more on your definition of "strategic"

Everyone claims thus is a bug and its not, there is a reason why its called MAJOR evasion meaning its can't stack unless there is a minor evasion skill 20 wont go any higher

Your argument about shields haveing zero mitigation is silly since you can REFRESH your shield. Literally would fight a sorc and if I even take 100 hp of his shield he immediately refreshes it. Also shield are more reliable as they protect you from dmg while with shuffle you have to pray to rnjesus that it procs.

HoloYoitsu

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

First you all QQ about perma dodge roll which was stam builds only way of surviving(until vigor was reduced) and got it nerfed.

Now when some stam builds turn to a 20% DODGE change skill for survival since you are punished by rolling within a time frame even when people perma root you (bombard,Talons) I only use this skillro remove snares since EVERYTHING snares you in pvp and you all want this skill nerfed along with dodge roll? LOL.

Its a 20% change to dodge ONE attack. It isn't a shield that covers your whole HP stacks and give you crit immunity so the QQ over this skill is silly and nerfing it will bring this game back to elder robes online.

You're funny. First off, Vigor & infinite Dodge Roll were introduced at the same time. The way stam builds survived before that was this neat thing called Blocking & strategic (read, 'non infinite') use of Dodge Roll. You know why people 'QQd' about infinite Dodge Roll? Because it was one of the stupidest things this game has ever seen.

No one's complaining about 20% dodge chance from Shuffle, people are complaining about a supposed bug that stacks the dodge chance to more than 20%. The issue is about whether or not such a bug exists, this thread is not about "wah nerf Shuffle".

And I guess since you want to toss in shield QQ I'll go over that too. Those non critable shields you QQ about also come with 0 armor/spell mitigation. That is the tradeoff and the reason Wrobel will most likely never make shields critable. You're trying to compare Shuffle and shields as if they are 1:1 analogues, they aren't.

Lol you're funny because vigor in 1.6 required Alliance rank 10 so only a few ppl that played all day had access to that skill.
We're talking about PvP, everybody who was anybody had long since reached alliance rank 10, this was before B2P & console launch, remember?
You said blocking was strategic? You know they nerfed that too right? LOL btw elaborate more on your definition of "strategic"
No, I said strategic dodge rolling, L2Read issue right there. Blocking was just permablocking. Yes Wrobel nerfed blocking but the reference was specifically in regards to "the way stam builds survived before that", yet another L2Read issue it seems.
Everyone claims thus is a bug and its not, there is a reason why its called MAJOR evasion meaning its can't stack unless there is a minor evasion skill 20 wont go any higher
The way the bug is described as working (Shuffle, animation cancel block, Shuffle, ect) is a testable hypothesis that just requires people to test it and post video. The fact that ZOS made a major/minor buff system to keep things from stacking doesn't really mean anything if the skill is bugged.
Your argument about shields haveing zero mitigation is silly since you can REFRESH your shield. Literally would fight a sorc and if I even take 100 hp of his shield he immediately refreshes it. Also shield are more reliable as they protect you from dmg while with shuffld you have to pray to rnjesus that it procs.
People can't refresh their shields when they're CC'd and out of stam. If you can't figure out how to fight a sorc, there's plenty of youtube vids you can look for.

ZOS_GregoryV

Greetings all,

We would like to thank you all for providing your insight to the troubles with the shuffle bug that you have all experienced. As we have gathered the needed information from this thread, this thread will remain closed. We would also like to inform you all that this issue is being looked into and worked on. Thank you for your understanding!