Shuffle Bug Needs To Be Fixed ASAP

Bofrari · March 2016

Oh really I never used shuffle on stam dk guess I'll be slotting that now sweet.

phreatophile · March 2016

I'd also love to have the shuffle some of you think exists.

I do not. What I do have is a skill that does a few percent less than what the tip says which is a hell of a lot less powerful than shieldspam.

20%. Its laughable. A shield, usually several of them, blocks 100% of the damage up to its total value.

20% is so low it ought to be a passive and you all act like its way overpowered. This whole thread is hilarious.

phreatophile · March 2016

edited: duplicate

HoloYoitsu · March 2016

I wish my shields removed roots and snares and gave me immunity every time I recast them.

Darnathian · March 2016

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

SturgeHammer wrote: »

Personally I think passive dodge chance buffs in a game with an active dodge mechanic is silly to begin with. The dodge chance buffs should be scraped entirely (like miss chance debuff was) and replaced with either Minor protection or something new.

These skills were designed at a time with softcaps, without excessive dodge roll.

I agree with you in the current design of the game, ZOS probably should have modified them for magicka builds or replaced them with protection or something.

I COULDNT IMAGINE A SORCERER WITH SHIELD AND 20% DODGE

Check out the spectre's eye set

Edit: I have used it in pvp and it is trolltastic, but I'm not sure that's enough to justify hitting like a paper bat.

Edit 2:

Has anyone tested this? To make sureite not stacking with shuffle?

Not for a while afaik. This thread is old but the last post relates to 1.6 (which is still a year old): http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/140557/dodge-chance-set-bonus-vs-shuffle-do-they-stack/p2

Edit: The 20% dodge chance is Major Evasion and major buffs don't stack.

i am telling you somethingis up. there are certain players, that it is neae impossible to land dark flares and vamp banes. i will start recording.

technohic · March 2016

I'm not sure and am going to bed but earlier after falling off a cliff while trying to take a shortcut, I started just mashing a button while falling a long ways and it was my shuffle key. I took no fall damage.

I'll test tomorrow if I remember unless someone else wants to take the leap of faith. (hehe) Maybe it was just a fluke and has nothing to do with this or maybe it does.

Anti_Virus · April 2016

Wow those guys are lucky when I use shuffle the dodge chance is like 1%, in fact I only use shuffle to remove snares.

DHale · April 2016

Darnathian wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

SturgeHammer wrote: »

Personally I think passive dodge chance buffs in a game with an active dodge mechanic is silly to begin with. The dodge chance buffs should be scraped entirely (like miss chance debuff was) and replaced with either Minor protection or something new.

These skills were designed at a time with softcaps, without excessive dodge roll.

I agree with you in the current design of the game, ZOS probably should have modified them for magicka builds or replaced them with protection or something.

I COULDNT IMAGINE A SORCERER WITH SHIELD AND 20% DODGE

Check out the spectre's eye set

Edit: I have used it in pvp and it is trolltastic, but I'm not sure that's enough to justify hitting like a paper bat.

Edit 2:

Has anyone tested this? To make sureite not stacking with shuffle?

Not for a while afaik. This thread is old but the last post relates to 1.6 (which is still a year old): http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/140557/dodge-chance-set-bonus-vs-shuffle-do-they-stack/p2

Edit: The 20% dodge chance is Major Evasion and major buffs don't stack.

i am telling you somethingis up. there are certain players, that it is neae impossible to land dark flares and vamp banes. i will start recording.

Totally agree some players are able to avoid a half dozen players damage a lot more than one in five. I use magic javelin on my magic Templar threw 7 javelins not one hit guy was stamina Templar. He had no trouble hitting me.

Lucky28 · April 2016

Soulac wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I do notice that some players can dodge alot more than others. I personally think it is related to exploits. My dodge chances when I use shuffle seems to be around 20%. I've never seen anything wrong with it.

Same here.
I used Shuffle for half an eternity on my own stamina build; blur on my magicka one.
Never noticed a higher chance than actually stated in the tooltip.
On the other hand I fought stamina builds dodging near everything, only having shuffle up.

Dunno if there is a difference in animation canceling or not tho..

Isn't it Shuffle + Bow that's doing it?. least that's what i always notice.

Pallio · April 2016

zyk wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Minsc wrote: »

Rumours also say that Shuffle gives a bit more than 20% dodge chance...

Tested with two different people and around 200 attacks each.
Came very close to 50% in all four test rounds.
Could do more if necessary but testing that isnt exactly my job

@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_BrianWheeler

I don't know if it's the same bug or not, but Shuffle has been broken for months. This is being used by almost every Stam build and needs to be fixed ASAP. Against some players, I am missing 5 concealed weapons in a row -- even from cloak; they are not being roll dodged.

Pallio · April 2016

Come on a NB wasn't able to kill someone, this should be fixed immediately.

Waylander · April 2016

Is it possible that shuffle and increased speed increases the likelihood of an attack being dodged?

Perhaps a combination of shuffle and moving out of range. Almost like a chance for a line of sight check to fail if the player is moving fast enough (and since new los bug exist with take flight, perhaps they may also exist with other abilities (but are harder to notice/show as a dodge).

Seems like there is more than just shuffle at play to me. Feels like a combination of how shuffle, roll dodge and increased speed operate with each other.

I find some players very hard to tag, and typically they have a combination of shuffle, roll dodge and boosted speed. Typically I can hit them when they crit rush or any ability that has them locked into an animation, but difficult to land a hit when they are combining roll dodge, shuffle, speed buff and animation cancelling.

hammayolettuce · April 2016

The miss chance makes no sense. Sometimes it dodges nothing and then others like 6 attacks in a row. Maybe the mechanic should be reworked to a less ZOS rng code

HeroOfNone · April 2016

I'm a stamina DK and I avoid using shuffle since it feels so OP. I will normally slot reflective scale (broken in other's opinion) or shield absorb. This is until I go against another DK with shuffle on, then it's fight fire with fire time. It feels a lot higher than 20%, going as as high as 50% in certain cases against players. Against mobs it seems to be accurate, and I dodge less.

I have also noticed some with 100% dodge when they cast it multiple times while doing other stuff. They normally do it when they are close to dying. Gave feedback but still see the same people using what I assume to be an exploit.

As for the ability, I feel they could keep the high percentage IF it only applied to light attacks, instant abilities, or anything animation canceled. Anything like a heavy attack or has to go through its cast time wouldn't be dodgeable (except through dodge roll), seems like a good counter to folks with the super tight animation canceling 3 to 4 hit kill.

Jaronking · April 2016

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

I did some tests yesterday, and I found that Shuffle does NOT work the way some on this thread are describing, at least not by itself. When I dove into a huge crowd (15+) of zombies, for example, I should have been proccing the 20% dodge chance pretty much every second, and my log seemed to confirm this. However, I was NOT getting a one second "window" of invulnerability every time I got a proc. There were mutliple attacks landing at the same exact timestamp as the dodge.

I refused to accept your testing as legitimate your a carebear and carebears don't do testing.lol

rfennell_ESO · April 2016

This has spread far and wide...

Entire DC org groups are all dodging stuff like mad now.

I've seen them referred to as "team dodge" in /z.

Lyar09 · April 2016

I have yet to see any factual evidence or proof that it is bugged or an exploit. It is simply speculation. Also, you really can't test dodge chance. As stated before, it increases your dodge chance, not giving you 20% dodge chance. RNG plays a huge roll on this also. Trying to test dodge chance is like trying to test molag kena helm drop rates upon completion of vWGT. Lemme know how that works out for ya.

glavius · April 2016

It does not increase your current dodge chance. 20% increase of 0 is still 0... It gives you a 20% chance to dodge.
Stop posting wrong info.

rfennell_ESO · April 2016

Lyar09 wrote: »

Don't take away my 50% dodge chance, I'll say anything because I live up to my name.

Gotcha, but fact is you see people dodging WAY more than 20% and you see it regularly. I guess you don't because you can't attack your DC buddies.

Lyar09 · April 2016

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Don't take away my 50% dodge chance, I'll say anything because I live up to my name.

Gotcha, but fact is you see people dodging WAY more than 20% and you see it regularly. I guess you don't because you can't attack your DC buddies.

way to edit what I actually said to make it your own. You literally have NO PROOF of any factual evidence that the ability is bugged. I have a pretty good idea who you are too with your crying hate tells you send me and the groups I play with daily. Get over yourself bud.

rfennell_ESO · April 2016

Lyar09 wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Don't take away my 50% dodge chance, I'll say anything because I live up to my name.

Gotcha, but fact is you see people dodging WAY more than 20% and you see it regularly. I guess you don't because you can't attack your DC buddies.

way to edit what I actually said to make it your own. You literally have NO PROOF of any factual evidence that the ability is bugged. I have a pretty good idea who you are too with your crying hate tells you send me and the groups I play with daily. Get over yourself bud.

Crown wrote: »

@zyk We identified that to them at the last two guild meetings as well. Even told them how to do it (to stack dodge chance up to 99%).

Maybe you can try a "these are not the droids you are looking for" or something.

manny254 · April 2016

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Don't take away my 50% dodge chance, I'll say anything because I live up to my name.

Gotcha, but fact is you see people dodging WAY more than 20% and you see it regularly. I guess you don't because you can't attack your DC buddies.

way to edit what I actually said to make it your own. You literally have NO PROOF of any factual evidence that the ability is bugged. I have a pretty good idea who you are too with your crying hate tells you send me and the groups I play with daily. Get over yourself bud.

Crown wrote: »

@zyk We identified that to them at the last two guild meetings as well. Even told them how to do it (to stack dodge chance up to 99%).

Maybe you can try a "these are not the droids you are looking for" or something.

I find it funny that you referenced what crown said. I randomly talked to him before he quit, and the bug is referencing has to do with recasting Elude (other morph) at very specific times. No idea how to do it, but that is what he told me a while ago.

I find it hilarious that the other day someone was accusing me of using some bug because I recast shuffle. I wonder if it ever occurs to people that refreshing snare immunity is a good idea while getting zerged.

Jordaen · April 2016

It's a 20% chance to dodge every attack.You can literally miss 100 attacks in a row if your rng is that good

Jules · April 2016

manny254 wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Don't take away my 50% dodge chance, I'll say anything because I live up to my name.

Gotcha, but fact is you see people dodging WAY more than 20% and you see it regularly. I guess you don't because you can't attack your DC buddies.

way to edit what I actually said to make it your own. You literally have NO PROOF of any factual evidence that the ability is bugged. I have a pretty good idea who you are too with your crying hate tells you send me and the groups I play with daily. Get over yourself bud.

Crown wrote: »

@zyk We identified that to them at the last two guild meetings as well. Even told them how to do it (to stack dodge chance up to 99%).

Maybe you can try a "these are not the droids you are looking for" or something.

I find it funny that you referenced what crown said. I randomly talked to him before he quit, and the bug is referencing has to do with recasting Elude (other morph) at very specific times. No idea how to do it, but that is what he told me a while ago.

I find it hilarious that the other day someone was accusing me of using some bug because I recast shuffle. I wonder if it ever occurs to people that refreshing snare immunity is a good idea while getting zerged.

First of all, this^

Recasting shuffle removes snares and refreshes the snare immunity. People recasting it as you run after them 20v1 are not trying to exploit a "stacking dodge chance" - they are trying to get away from you and your 5000 snares.

Someone show me actual numbers or proof or evidence or anything that supports this and then we can have a conversation. Until then, enjoy your tinfoil hats.

Alcast · April 2016

Someone can tell me the exploit and I will happily upload it to youtube so we see everyone with a 80% dodge chance.
That might speed things up. Keeping it a secret = ZOS will not fix it. Kappa

Yet I also have not seen any evidence of a that high dodge % vs ppl. Well once but maybe RNGesus was good with that person.

Jules · April 2016

Alcast wrote: »

Someone can tell me the exploit and I will happily upload it to youtube so we see everyone with a 80% dodge chance.

That might speed things up. Keeping it a secret = ZOS will not fix it. Kappa

The theory is that reapplying shuffle multiple times makes it stack. That's literally it.

Cinbri · April 2016

Jordaen wrote: »

It's a 20% chance to dodge every attack.You can literally miss 100 attacks in a row if your rng is that good

No, you can't. At least according to Probability theory

Alcast · April 2016

Jules wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Someone can tell me the exploit and I will happily upload it to youtube so we see everyone with a 80% dodge chance.

That might speed things up. Keeping it a secret = ZOS will not fix it. Kappa

The theory is that reapplying shuffle multiple times makes it stack. That's literally it.

I do not think that it is that simple. Yet I do not pvp enough to be sure.

mike.eso · April 2016

Well according to the response in this thread...

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/251466/compilation-of-tg-bugs-in-pvp-current-bug-counter-83-op-reformatted-4-10-16/p1

The dev's have not been able to determine or reproduce any issues with this skill...now I know that this is not uncommon for them and that many bugs exist and because of "reasons" they cannot reproduce them BUT if y'all actually have proof of this you should help them out cause clearly they are doing nothing currently to fix it.

If you don't have any proof and came here to cry about false information then well gtfo you aint helpin s**t.

Jules · April 2016

Alcast wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Someone can tell me the exploit and I will happily upload it to youtube so we see everyone with a 80% dodge chance.

That might speed things up. Keeping it a secret = ZOS will not fix it. Kappa

The theory is that reapplying shuffle multiple times makes it stack. That's literally it.

I do not think that it is that simple. Yet I do not pvp enough to be sure.

This is what is screamed by pugs at the top of their lungs in every zone chat. No one knows how or why or has any factual information whatsoever, but its definitely certainly bugged bc reasons.

I had someone tell me the other day that if I reapply shuffle I can "see how many times it shows up on buff tracker and each of those is 20% dodge chance, stacking up to 100%." It's really moronic. Also, I reapplied shuffle multiple times on myself only to see its duration refreshed.