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Shuffle Bug Needs To Be Fixed ASAP
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✭✭✭I think the ability works as intended from what I've seen/tested.
Although I will say I hate dodge chance all together. Performs too well imo, I miss when it was harder to achieve dodge chance
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sirrmattus✭✭✭✭✭SturgeHammer wrote: »Personally I think passive dodge chance buffs in a game with an active dodge mechanic is silly to begin with. The dodge chance buffs should be scraped entirely (like miss chance debuff was) and replaced with either Minor protection or something new.
These skills were designed at a time with softcaps, without excessive dodge roll.
I agree with you in the current design of the game, ZOS probably should have modified them for magicka builds or replaced them with protection or something.
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✭✭I've noticed recently that when I'm sniping certain players, even when I'm undetected in stealth, it's almost like they auto-dodge roll all 3 of my attacks. And this is multiple attempts I'm seeing this for. It could be just shuffle I guess but I see them actually dodge roll out of the way.- PC/NA
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✭✭sirrmattus wrote: »SturgeHammer wrote: »Personally I think passive dodge chance buffs in a game with an active dodge mechanic is silly to begin with. The dodge chance buffs should be scraped entirely (like miss chance debuff was) and replaced with either Minor protection or something new.
These skills were designed at a time with softcaps, without excessive dodge roll.
I agree with you in the current design of the game, ZOS probably should have modified them for magicka builds or replaced them with protection or something.
I COULDNT IMAGINE A SORCERER WITH SHIELD AND 20% DODGE
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Yo magicka NBs can use blur. But dont dodge as many skills as stam builds do for some reasonsirrmattus wrote: »SturgeHammer wrote: »Personally I think passive dodge chance buffs in a game with an active dodge mechanic is silly to begin with. The dodge chance buffs should be scraped entirely (like miss chance debuff was) and replaced with either Minor protection or something new.
These skills were designed at a time with softcaps, without excessive dodge roll.
I agree with you in the current design of the game, ZOS probably should have modified them for magicka builds or replaced them with protection or something.
I COULDNT IMAGINE A SORCERER WITH SHIELD AND 20% DODGE
If only magicka builds existed in a version of this game, where they weren't shoehorned into shields.
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✭✭PrinceFabious wrote: »
Yo magicka NBs can use blur. But dont dodge as many skills as stam builds do for some reasonsirrmattus wrote: »SturgeHammer wrote: »Personally I think passive dodge chance buffs in a game with an active dodge mechanic is silly to begin with. The dodge chance buffs should be scraped entirely (like miss chance debuff was) and replaced with either Minor protection or something new.
These skills were designed at a time with softcaps, without excessive dodge roll.
I agree with you in the current design of the game, ZOS probably should have modified them for magicka builds or replaced them with protection or something.
I COULDNT IMAGINE A SORCERER WITH SHIELD AND 20% DODGE
If only magicka builds existed in a version of this game, where they weren't shoehorned into shields.
I don't use either blur or shuffle, so I wouldn't know. Would require some conclusive testing between the two skills, to see if blur is somehow under-performing or if shuffle is over-performing.
There is no limit to what ZOS can break, with any given patch.Edited by OdinForge on March 29, 2016 8:31PMThe Age of Wrobel.0 -
Jordaen✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »It's obvious that some people dodge stuff at ridiculous levels.
Most recent offender of it I see was "leader of an indian tribe" and it's being exploited like crazy with that guy.
It's pattern is extended duration of dodging all attacks and then the holding of block... then dodging all attacks... holding block.
So, best I can tell not only are they aware when their dodge window is they know when it isn't (hence holding block).
EP pride at work. NA PC you see this behavior primarily from them.
I didn't do it on purpose
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✭✭✭✭✭PrinceFabious wrote: »
Yo magicka NBs can use blur. But dont dodge as many skills as stam builds do for some reasonsirrmattus wrote: »SturgeHammer wrote: »Personally I think passive dodge chance buffs in a game with an active dodge mechanic is silly to begin with. The dodge chance buffs should be scraped entirely (like miss chance debuff was) and replaced with either Minor protection or something new.
These skills were designed at a time with softcaps, without excessive dodge roll.
I agree with you in the current design of the game, ZOS probably should have modified them for magicka builds or replaced them with protection or something.
I COULDNT IMAGINE A SORCERER WITH SHIELD AND 20% DODGE
If only magicka builds existed in a version of this game, where they weren't shoehorned into shields.
Hahaha arinar has it right.
Use the nightblade dodge, then compare it with shuffle. The difference is night and day, and clearly shows how messed up shuffle is.@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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✭sirrmattus wrote: »SturgeHammer wrote: »Personally I think passive dodge chance buffs in a game with an active dodge mechanic is silly to begin with. The dodge chance buffs should be scraped entirely (like miss chance debuff was) and replaced with either Minor protection or something new.
These skills were designed at a time with softcaps, without excessive dodge roll.
I agree with you in the current design of the game, ZOS probably should have modified them for magicka builds or replaced them with protection or something.
I COULDNT IMAGINE A SORCERER WITH SHIELD AND 20% DODGE
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Edit: I have used it in pvp and it is trolltastic, but I'm not sure that's enough to justify hitting like a paper bat.
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✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »sirrmattus wrote: »SturgeHammer wrote: »Personally I think passive dodge chance buffs in a game with an active dodge mechanic is silly to begin with. The dodge chance buffs should be scraped entirely (like miss chance debuff was) and replaced with either Minor protection or something new.
These skills were designed at a time with softcaps, without excessive dodge roll.
I agree with you in the current design of the game, ZOS probably should have modified them for magicka builds or replaced them with protection or something.
I COULDNT IMAGINE A SORCERER WITH SHIELD AND 20% DODGE
Check out the spectre's eye set
Edit: I have used it in pvp and it is trolltastic, but I'm not sure that's enough to justify hitting like a paper bat.
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Has anyone tested this? To make sureite not stacking with shuffle?0 -
FriedEggSandwich✭✭✭✭✭
✭Darnathian wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »sirrmattus wrote: »SturgeHammer wrote: »Personally I think passive dodge chance buffs in a game with an active dodge mechanic is silly to begin with. The dodge chance buffs should be scraped entirely (like miss chance debuff was) and replaced with either Minor protection or something new.
These skills were designed at a time with softcaps, without excessive dodge roll.
I agree with you in the current design of the game, ZOS probably should have modified them for magicka builds or replaced them with protection or something.
I COULDNT IMAGINE A SORCERER WITH SHIELD AND 20% DODGE
Check out the spectre's eye set
Edit: I have used it in pvp and it is trolltastic, but I'm not sure that's enough to justify hitting like a paper bat.
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Has anyone tested this? To make sureite not stacking with shuffle?
Not for a while afaik. This thread is old but the last post relates to 1.6 (which is still a year old): http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/140557/dodge-chance-set-bonus-vs-shuffle-do-they-stack/p2
Edit: The 20% dodge chance is Major Evasion and major buffs don't stack.Edited by FriedEggSandwich on March 30, 2016 3:52AMPC | EU0 -
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Now if only Wrobel would change the bonuses to Mag Regen / Max Mag / Mag Regen, it would actually be worth using on your off bar as an alternative to things like Seducer/Magnus ect.FriedEggSandwich wrote: »sirrmattus wrote: »SturgeHammer wrote: »Personally I think passive dodge chance buffs in a game with an active dodge mechanic is silly to begin with. The dodge chance buffs should be scraped entirely (like miss chance debuff was) and replaced with either Minor protection or something new.
These skills were designed at a time with softcaps, without excessive dodge roll.
I agree with you in the current design of the game, ZOS probably should have modified them for magicka builds or replaced them with protection or something.
I COULDNT IMAGINE A SORCERER WITH SHIELD AND 20% DODGE
Check out the spectre's eye set
Edit: I have used it in pvp and it is trolltastic, but I'm not sure that's enough to justify hitting like a paper bat.
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✭✭✭✭Spectre's Eye was really neat on early NB saptank! Good old days when the game was actually playable
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Kupoking✭✭✭✭✭There is something fishy for use on shuffle. Sometimes it feels like to attacks gets me at all...
Used double take before. Switched to shuffle because it does feels like I dodge much more. In any case my survivability is better.0 -
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✭✭The rumor is they have figured out a way to get multiple stacks of shuffle up that stack.
In other words... it's an exploit. It's not the only thing getting bugged out for multiple stacks as well, or so it's said.
So the concept of it's an accident or the ability itself is just bugged is fabrication by exploiters imo.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I did some tests yesterday, and I found that Shuffle does NOT work the way some on this thread are describing, at least not by itself. When I dove into a huge crowd (15+) of zombies, for example, I should have been proccing the 20% dodge chance pretty much every second, and my log seemed to confirm this. However, I was NOT getting a one second "window" of invulnerability every time I got a proc. There were mutliple attacks landing at the same exact timestamp as the dodge.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE0 -
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✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »I did some tests yesterday, and I found that Shuffle does NOT work the way some on this thread are describing, at least not by itself. When I dove into a huge crowd (15+) of zombies, for example, I should have been proccing the 20% dodge chance pretty much every second, and my log seemed to confirm this. However, I was NOT getting a one second "window" of invulnerability every time I got a proc. There were mutliple attacks landing at the same exact timestamp as the dodge.
No cheat ever admits it.
However there is a duration to the dodge when you roll dodge (which can be made longer with a certain set).0 -
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✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »Emma_Eunjung wrote: »I did some tests yesterday, and I found that Shuffle does NOT work the way some on this thread are describing, at least not by itself. When I dove into a huge crowd (15+) of zombies, for example, I should have been proccing the 20% dodge chance pretty much every second, and my log seemed to confirm this. However, I was NOT getting a one second "window" of invulnerability every time I got a proc. There were mutliple attacks landing at the same exact timestamp as the dodge.
No cheat ever admits it.
However there is a duration to the dodge when you roll dodge (which can be made longer with a certain set).
Why don't you upload a video proving this, so that everyone can understand (assuming it's real). Just add a link in your sig.
I'm not being a jack ass, just a legitimate suggestion.Edited by OdinForge on March 30, 2016 6:20PMThe Age of Wrobel.2 -
PeggymoeXD✭✭✭✭Well dang, I want this shuffle. Mine seems to dodge maybe 1 out of every 20 freaking attacks and usually seems pretty useless. I still have it on my bar but I've never thought of it as an essential skill.Kitty DK
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sluice✭✭✭✭Shroud yourself in mist to gain Major Evasion, which increases your dodge chance by 20% for 20 seconds.
Increases is the important word in the skill description.
We all have a certain dodge chance % to start with.
No where does is say that we gain 20% does chance, the skill increases our dodge chance by 20%.
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✭Shroud yourself in mist to gain Major Evasion, which increases your dodge chance by 20% for 20 seconds.
Increases is the important word in the skill description.
We all have a certain dodge chance % to start with.
No where does is say that we gain 20% does chance, the skill increases our dodge chance by 20%.
Baseline dodge chance is zero. Think about it; if you just stand still without doing anything then 100% of attacks would hit you.PC | EU2 -
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✭I've noticed recently that when I'm sniping certain players, even when I'm undetected in stealth, it's almost like they auto-dodge roll all 3 of my attacks. And this is multiple attempts I'm seeing this for. It could be just shuffle I guess but I see them actually dodge roll out of the way.
Snipe plays a very noticeable sound when somebody casts it on you, so they're probably just dodge rolling as soon as they hear it.0 -
Waylander✭✭✭✭ColoursYouHave wrote: »I've noticed recently that when I'm sniping certain players, even when I'm undetected in stealth, it's almost like they auto-dodge roll all 3 of my attacks. And this is multiple attempts I'm seeing this for. It could be just shuffle I guess but I see them actually dodge roll out of the way.
Snipe plays a very noticeable sound when somebody casts it on you, so they're probably just dodge rolling as soon as they hear it.
Confirmed. I dodge roll or block when I hear a snipe release sound or when I hear a magelight empower.Nocturnal - AD Oceanic PvP Guild
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With the state the game's in, I'd call it witchcraft if you could actually hear people casting abilities on you.ColoursYouHave wrote: »I've noticed recently that when I'm sniping certain players, even when I'm undetected in stealth, it's almost like they auto-dodge roll all 3 of my attacks. And this is multiple attempts I'm seeing this for. It could be just shuffle I guess but I see them actually dodge roll out of the way.
Snipe plays a very noticeable sound when somebody casts it on you, so they're probably just dodge rolling as soon as they hear it.
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