Coming from a magsorc. Please ZOS, remove shieldstack!

olsborg

nuffsaid

Lenikus

No.
There are shields for magical damage, generic damage, situational shields, and whatnot.

Leave shieldstacking as it is.

Just *effin'* use shieldbreaker, or add a magicka version of that. (unresistable enchant also help.)

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Refuse2GrowUp

Will say it again...

ZOS really needs to make separate profiles for PvE and PvP so that they can change skills and mechanics for one without effecting the other.

Shield stacking in PvP needs to go away. Shield stacking in PvE is common and should be allowed

remilafo

You're not a magsorc.... or a very narrow point of view one..

Lenikus

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Shield stacking in PvP needs to go away.

People who don't shieldbreaker need to stop doing pvp

ajwest927

So you want us magicka sorcerer to be defenseless in battle?

DRXHarbinger

Near rank 40 and only ever used hardened ward. Focus more on hurting than running. Healing ward is crap too anyway sorcs have way too many defenses to choose from. Bound aegis, that lightening one that I've never used and hardened ward, harness magika why on earth do you need healing ward. Such a noob thing to do all this bar swapping crap just for a short lived shield. Reduces the point of a dps player.

olsborg

ajwest927 wrote: »

So you want us magicka sorcerer to be defenseless in battle?

Defenceless? Sorc can be one of the tankiest classes (magicka) and taking away shieldstacking will not change that, if you truely believe that you need to l2p.

Refuse2GrowUp

ajwest927 wrote: »

So you want us magicka sorcerer to be defenseless in battle?

Mag Sorcs have Hardened Ward. You do NOT need to shield stack in PvP. Yes, I play a MagSorc; no I do not shield stack; yes, I do very well in PvP without shield stacking. If you really need to shield stack, then you are doing something wrong.

Lenikus wrote: »

People who don't shieldbreaker need to stop doing pvp

I play several toons, and one of them is a Stam NB ganker build that runs Shield Breaker. I am a fan of the set, and think it serves its purpose well. That however is a completely different subject altogether.

Shield stacking is not required. Furthermore, those sorcs doing so are doing a disservice to themselves and the sorc community as this is a big part of why the devs are considering giving shields a 1.5 second cast time...a nerf that will likely be the death of sorcs both in PvP and in PvE.

corrosivechains

ok, people asking for shield stacking nerfs, I'm just going to say it now...lrn2play

seriously, lrn2play. If what you're doing isn't working then it's a matter of lrn2play. These things aren't overpowered, you're just stubborn and deadset on singleplayer gaming mindsets. Or just realize that a sorc is the counter to glass-canon nightblade gank builds.

Refuse2GrowUp

corrosivechains wrote: »

ok, people asking for shield stacking nerfs, I'm just going to say it now...lrn2play

seriously, lrn2play. If what you're doing isn't working then it's a matter of lrn2play. These things aren't overpowered

Sorry, but if you feel you need to shield stack in PvP, then one could easily counter with telling you that you need to L2P.

lolo_01b16_ESO

I'm not a fan of all the nerfs to defensive skills we are getting in every patch. But I'm curious, how do you imagine the removal of shield stacking to look like? Which shield will get priority? The biggest one? Or the one with the longest duration? And what about shields that only protect you from a certain type of damage?

corrosivechains

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

corrosivechains wrote: »

ok, people asking for shield stacking nerfs, I'm just going to say it now...lrn2play

seriously, lrn2play. If what you're doing isn't working then it's a matter of lrn2play. These things aren't overpowered

Sorry, but if you feel you need to shield stack in PvP, then one could easily counter with telling you that you need to L2P.

I play a tank focus stam DK, shield stacking hasn't been much a problem cause I lrnd2play and use reflects and CC.

Mashille

Nevermind.

AlnilamE

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

corrosivechains wrote: »

ok, people asking for shield stacking nerfs, I'm just going to say it now...lrn2play

seriously, lrn2play. If what you're doing isn't working then it's a matter of lrn2play. These things aren't overpowered

Sorry, but if you feel you need to shield stack in PvP, then one could easily counter with telling you that you need to L2P.

Well, if he feels the need to shield stack why shouldn't he?

Everything in this game is an exchange. If you are casting shields, you are spending less time doing damage, therefore whoever is attacking you isn't dying either.

Shileds are used when you are on the defense and trying not to die. they don't give you kills (well, except for the Templar shield, but that one has been nerfed so much that nobody uses it in PvP.)

I'm not sure what proportion of sorcs use shields in PvP, but I have no issues filling up my "Kill 20 sorcs" quest every time I get it.

Septimus_Magna

Hardened + Healing Ward is enough shield for sorcs, just remove Harness from the equation.

AlnilamE

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Hardened + Healing Ward is enough shield for sorcs, just remove Harness from the equation.

In what sense? Harness is available to all classes. It's what I use on my Templar and it's pretty good.

lolo_01b16_ESO

AlnilamE wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Hardened + Healing Ward is enough shield for sorcs, just remove Harness from the equation.

In what sense? Harness is available to all classes. It's what I use on my Templar and it's pretty good.

But it's too strong when you can stack harness with your op blazing shield. Same as when I stack harness with igneous shield on my magicka dk.

olsborg

If shieldstacking was removed, alot of sorcs would have to L2P, I dont see that as a bad thing, ive been doing fine without dampen/harness magicka since 1.4.

iTzStevey

My main is a mag sorc and I'm all for making hardened and harness unstackable, but a cast time? That's ridiculous. It would completely destroy sorcerers and tbh i think a lot of them would just leave instead of levelling other toons. Just give hardened priority over harness, i prefer combat prayer or boundless anyways.

Thelon

a1x23

Coming from a magicka sorc if we had a decent heal other than healing ward shield stacking wouldnt be as much if an issue. Hardened ward is our only defense and harness magicka only works against magicka builds and available to everyone. If i could actually heal myself without a shield i would but i have no other viable option.

AlnilamE

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Hardened + Healing Ward is enough shield for sorcs, just remove Harness from the equation.

In what sense? Harness is available to all classes. It's what I use on my Templar and it's pretty good.

But it's too strong when you can stack harness with your op blazing shield. Same as when I stack harness with igneous shield on my magicka dk.

Is it? I've never tried stacking it with Blazing shield because I have other things to put on my bars. I guess if you have a lot of health it would be good. I'll have to play with it, but since it doesn't proc Armor Master, it's never going to take precedence over Harness Magicka for me.

gen_reynard2050

ajwest927 wrote: »

So you want us magicka sorcerer to be defenseless in battle?

then why nerf NB cloak..becoz want NB inescapable in battle too right?

i know...u all HATE NB!

Artjuh90

i would like to see the point that you can't recast shields when they are up or the abilty to crit. because hardend ward with 7/7 light armor has more defense then 7/7 heavy with reinforced/impenatrable. and the heavy armor user at least suffers dps loss because he chose defense over offense which is good but the shieldstacker doesn't

Troneon

Lenikus wrote: »

No.
There are shields for magical damage, generic damage, situational shields, and whatnot.

Leave shieldstacking as it is.

Just *effin'* use shieldbreaker, or add a magicka version of that. (unresistable enchant also help.)

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So force everyone to use the same builds to counter one thing....

Sure sounds completely balanced....

Forestd16b14_ESO

Lenikus wrote: »

No.
There are shields for magical damage, generic damage, situational shields, and whatnot.

Leave shieldstacking as it is.

Just *effin'* use shieldbreaker, or add a magicka version of that. (unresistable enchant also help.)

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OK have you ever used shield breaker cause I have and IMO it is far from anything OP and any shield user with a brain can not only live through the arrow barrage but kill the shield breaker user too. Shield breaker is far far FAR from anything OP and if anything it's under powered sure in groups it's useful cause other players and all but again any shield user with a brain can counter a shield breaker user.

As for shields them selves Wrobel and ZOS are talking about it they even admitted that shields are OP and are discussing on what to do be either put them in the major/minor system or putting cast times on some of them.

Katahdin

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Will say it again...

ZOS really needs to make separate profiles for PvE and PvP

No. There are those of us that play both PvE and PvP. Changing every freaking skill for each would be a royal pain in the but.

flguy147ub17_ESO

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Will say it again...

ZOS really needs to make separate profiles for PvE and PvP so that they can change skills and mechanics for one without effecting the other.

Shield stacking in PvP needs to go away. Shield stacking in PvE is common and should be allowed

I have already stopped my sub a couple weeks ago cause of broken stuff like this, i am a returning player from PC launch and playing on BWB. Last night, i saw 5 players sit there for over 60 seconds and just beat on a Sorc, he wasnt even streaking or doing anything except sitting there taking hits almost laughing at us. I consider myself a way better than avg player but this shield stacking is an absolute joke. We literally couldnt kill him and everybody just stopped. Yes i know he may have had a ton of CP running in BWB campaign which is another huge problem. That campaign should be extremely noob and new player friendly. Not for players with 400 CP to come back on with an alt and dominate. This game has so much potential but its still broken like it was at PC launch but now its just different things that are broken.

lolo_01b16_ESO

AlnilamE wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Hardened + Healing Ward is enough shield for sorcs, just remove Harness from the equation.

In what sense? Harness is available to all classes. It's what I use on my Templar and it's pretty good.

But it's too strong when you can stack harness with your op blazing shield. Same as when I stack harness with igneous shield on my magicka dk.

Is it? I've never tried stacking it with Blazing shield because I have other things to put on my bars. I guess if you have a lot of health it would be good. I'll have to play with it, but since it doesn't proc Armor Master, it's never going to take precedence over Harness Magicka for me.

No, it's not, they are ~4k shields for most players which will be down after you took one hit in most cases. I just wanted to remind people that sorcs are not the only class with shields and shield stacking becomes more important when you have multiple small shields instead of a singel big one.
Maybe I should increase the font size of my signature.

AlnilamE

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Will say it again...

ZOS really needs to make separate profiles for PvE and PvP so that they can change skills and mechanics for one without effecting the other.

Shield stacking in PvP needs to go away. Shield stacking in PvE is common and should be allowed

I have already stopped my sub a couple weeks ago cause of broken stuff like this, i am a returning player from PC launch and playing on BWB. Last night, i saw 5 players sit there for over 60 seconds and just beat on a Sorc, he wasnt even streaking or doing anything except sitting there taking hits almost laughing at us. I consider myself a way better than avg player but this shield stacking is an absolute joke. We literally couldnt kill him and everybody just stopped. Yes i know he may have had a ton of CP running in BWB campaign which is another huge problem. That campaign should be extremely noob and new player friendly. Not for players with 400 CP to come back on with an alt and dominate. This game has so much potential but its still broken like it was at PC launch but now its just different things that are broken.

Blackwater Blade will be a no-CP campaign in the upcoming patch.

Now, that Sorc you were talking about, did he kill the 5 players that were beating on him? Did he manage to get away?

Because just standing there and taking a beating is not really winning either. When you are stacking shields (or healing) in order to survive an attack you aren't really fighting back.

Most of the tales of people shield stacking are "we couldn't kill him" tales. They aren't "he killed us all" tales. When a sorc is shield stacking, they are on the defensive, and being survivable while on the defense is a good thing.