Thaumaturge question/suggestion

RAGUNAnoOne · February 2016

Does this star also affect HOTs? if not I think it would be a good idea to include. what do you think?

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · February 2016

heals are not damage over time so... if it does its obviously a bug. It would NOT be a good idea, already have lots of heal buffs in cp system. it would obviously not be balanced to have +25% to all healing done and +25% to hot; your hot is already buffed by increasing ALL healing. if an ally also had +25% healing received that would get them +75% from your hot. lol just no.
currently it still increases magic damage and needs to be fixed.

deximasb14_ESO · February 2016

currently it still increases magic damage and needs to be fixed.[/quote]

This is intended and its fine. I see no problem with magic dots getting buffed. there aren't that many anyway and you have to take away from somewhere else to get it. magica NB is all that would really get some good from that

RAGUNAnoOne · February 2016

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

heals are not damage over time so... if it does its obviously a bug. It would NOT be a good idea, already have lots of heal buffs in cp system. it would obviously not be balanced to have +25% to all healing done and +25% to hot; your hot is already buffed by increasing ALL healing. if an ally also had +25% healing received that would get them +75% from your hot. lol just no.
currently it still increases magic damage and needs to be fixed.

(25% physical/poison/disease damage) or (elemental + magic damage) most players most only use one of these 2 types of damage along with boost to DOTs. Most heals only benefit from blessed and the crit stars nothing else while damage also has penetration stars to boost. so what you are saying is it is only imbalanced if the subsequent increases go both ways yet not if they only lean towards damage which is already king I see... Plus did you forget about defile and that 50% healing debuff set that stacks with defile and has no cooldown? where is the no cooldown damage debuff set or maim boosting star? while I am at it I have yet to see a major maim the CP benefits damage too much compared to other builds and leaves tanks and especially healers with the less increase and/or options. Elfborn and precise strikes boosts heals and damage so why not? Finally major bezerk boosts damage done by 25% yet has no effect on heals.

@DeanTheCat can you please weigh in on this?

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · February 2016

deximasb14_ESO wrote: »

currently it still increases magic damage and needs to be fixed.

This is intended and its fine. I see no problem with magic dots getting buffed. there aren't that many anyway and you have to take away from somewhere else to get it. magica NB is all that would really get some good from that[/quote]

its not fine, I do not believe it is intened. its broken. It increases magic damage which means it buffs ALL SPELLS. the dot cp should not buff crystal shards by 25%
the elemental is not increasing magic damage properly and this is. its clearly broken.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · February 2016

im saying there is no reason for for increasing DOT damage to increase HOT. The ability reads increases damage over time effrects... IF they want to add a slot that increases HOT then fine do it. but the DOT should NOT also improve HOT.

danno8 · February 2016

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

its not fine, I do not believe it is intened. its broken. It increases magic damage which means it buffs ALL SPELLS. the dot cp should not buff crystal shards by 25%
the elemental is not increasing magic damage properly and this is. its clearly broken.

Actually Thaumaturge is currently increasing only the tooltip damage for magic damage spells, not actual damage. Elemental Expert in actually increasing the damage but not the tooltip.

So everything is working correctly if you look at the damage you are doing and not just the tooltip.

DeanTheCat · February 2016

@RAGUNAnoOne

Personally, I'm not sure about if Thaumaturge affects HoT. I'll need to go test it.

... Though with ZoS' way of coding, I wouldn't be surprised if it actually did. Heals in ESO are coded as attacks that deal negative damage after all. This is the reason why HoTs and Shadow Cloak used to have so many issues in the past, as the Cloak would break on every HoT due to it being considered as an attack with every tick.

I wouldn't be opposed to it affecting HoTs though. With the new Fasalla's Travesty coming out, builds that rely on HoTs need all the help they can get.

RAGUNAnoOne · February 2016

DeanTheCat wrote: »

@RAGUNAnoOne

Personally, I'm not sure about if Thaumaturge affects HoT. I'll need to go test it.

... Though with ZoS' way of coding, I wouldn't be surprised if it actually did. Heals in ESO are coded as attacks that deal negative damage after all. This is the reason why HoTs and Shadow Cloak used to have so many issues in the past, as the Cloak would break on every HoT due to it being considered as an attack with every tick.

I wouldn't be opposed to it affecting HoTs though. With the new Fasalla's Travesty coming out, builds that rely on HoTs need all the help they can get.

@DeanTheCat That new set is exactly why I am proposing this HOT increase with nerfs to strait heals (all temps heals) and HOTs currently only viewed as AP leaching in PvP and now such a intense counter it needs all the help it can get... seriously when will we get a DPS counter set? we have tank shield and now healing.

ryanborror · February 2016

Not sure if it would buff HoTs but things like funnel health and puncturing sweeps benefit as they are heals based off damage done

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · February 2016

danno8 wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

its not fine, I do not believe it is intened. its broken. It increases magic damage which means it buffs ALL SPELLS. the dot cp should not buff crystal shards by 25%
the elemental is not increasing magic damage properly and this is. its clearly broken.

Actually Thaumaturge is currently increasing only the tooltip damage for magic damage spells, not actual damage. Elemental Expert in actually increasing the damage but not the tooltip.

So everything is working correctly if you look at the damage you are doing and not just the tooltip.

and...? so what, it still needs to be fixed.

Anhedonie · February 2016

deximasb14_ESO wrote: »

currently it still increases magic damage and needs to be fixed.

This is intended and its fine. I see no problem with magic dots getting buffed. there aren't that many anyway and you have to take away from somewhere else to get it. magica NB is all that would really get some good from that

Yeah, like *** 90% of DK spells are DOTs.

Dyride · February 2016

Anhedonie wrote: »

deximasb14_ESO wrote: »

currently it still increases magic damage and needs to be fixed.

This is intended and its fine. I see no problem with magic dots getting buffed. there aren't that many anyway and you have to take away from somewhere else to get it. magica NB is all that would really get some good from that

Yeah, like *** 90% of DK spells are DOTs.

And Magicka DKs have been top DPS since when? I doubt that anyone will depose them either so I think they are fine. This may be the only way for stam to get anywhere close to PVE DPS parity, instead of 5k behind like now.