Could some people tell me why everyone is so angry?

david.haypreub18_ESO

Templars are mad because we've had our issues ignored for over a year now. There have been literally dozens of posts many pages long of ream after ream of pointing out bugs and issues and offering suggestions. The developers themselves had a Templar thread on the Development boards, then there were multiple threads (one more than 30 pages long) on the general discussion board, and then a massive thread on the PTS board. These were almost totally ignored. Templar skills like Toppling Charge are still buggy messes, and we've waited a year for any help.

Instead of help, we got our signature heal (BoL) nerfed, the bugs left unaddressed, and the lead combat designer showed he has absolutely no idea of what life is like in PvP for a Templar. And now it looks like nothing more will be done for the foreseeable future.

Hence, the anger-- wholly justified, IMHO.

Mashille

@eventide03b14a_ESO

Fair enough. Although I can see where they are coming from with BoL nerf as they would like all classes be able to fill all roles fairly equally and Templars were the go to healers.

Some of the Stamina changes don't make massive amounts of sense to me, as Magicka builds can have just as much burst with Proxy Det

Mashille

@david.haypreub18_ESO

I can see hose those bugs would get peopel annoyed after so long. I don't really use toppling charge so I guess I just don't really notice.

Mojmir

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

keybaud wrote: »

@Recremen

Don't get me wrong, I am all about Developer - Player feedback, check some of my posts. But do people have to get so angry about it, rather than being constructive.

I think it's mostly just that a lot of folks are impatient at this point. We have been hearing for 2 years now about:
Thieves Guild
Dark Brotherhood
Veteran Level removal
Balancing classes
Fixing the lag in Cyrodiil
etc, etc.
I think we just want results and not excuses at this point. Also some of the changes are bizarre. Nobody was complaining about BoL, yet they decided it was too powerful. They don't remember how badly meteor spamming broke their servers, yet they are ensuring that people start using it all the time. Eric Wrobel seems really young (at least he looks like he is) and maybe he's just not experienced enough to tackle a AAA MMO yet.

somebody has his ear, with his inexperience these changes are "al a carte". it would take a couple days spent on a class for a dev to see exactly whats broken and needs adjusting, in the span and scope of things its not that much time. actually working out and solving the issue is a whole different deal, im just referring to acknowledging the issues.

eventide03b14a_ESO

keybaud wrote: »

@eventide03b14a_ESO

Fair enough. Although I can see where they are coming from with BoL nerf as they would like all classes be able to fill all roles fairly equally and Templars were the go to healers.

Some of the Stamina changes don't make massive amounts of sense to me, as Magicka builds can have just as much burst with Proxy Det

Honestly I think it actually goes deeper than that. Each update they make huge changes, sometimes doing a complete 180 on changes from the last update. It's the lack of consistency and clear direction that people are frustrated with. They don't exactly make it easy (cheap) to update your gear based on whatever meta they decided on for the current update. We barely get to break in our new gear before they fundamentally change the mechanics, and thus force us to get new gear. That's not exactly new for an MMO, but it does hurt some people disproportionally more than others. Also anytime we ask for updates on the stuff that's really important to us, we get:

1. Still working on it: No ETA
2. Sometime no earlier than 6 months from now
3. We are trying a fix that may (probably won't) work

Those are not very encourageing answers.

vyrusb23

keybaud wrote: »

Title.

I genuinely don't know. Other than Stamina Sorcerers not getting anything I don't have any problems with the Thieves Guild Patch. And I play all 4 classes.

Why is everyone acting if the game has died. What terrible change did ZOS make, because from my view this patch is, the most balanced the game has been in a while. (Excluding Stam Sorcs)

So really, what is everyone's problem. Also please keep everything calm and relaxed no shouting or anger about nerfs, talk about them constructively

It appears, to me, to be almost entirely PvP related. I pretty much play PvE exclusively and have had no major problems with anything. No lag. No problems with powersets. No problems with "balance" issues. No problems with teaming with other players. Sure, there are occasional buggy missions, but to me it's mostly trivial stuff.

I can't think of one positive PvP thread that I've ever seen. Not one. Yet they continue to play. IMO PvP should be cut out of the game like a cancerous tumor. Of course this will never happen, but it's my opinion none the less.

Erock25

I'm pissed because my main character, made on the first day of early access release, is a khajiit sorcerer. By the time I reached VR6 and figured out magicka sorc > stamina sorc, I felt like I had invested too much time to start a new character. I've been asking for race change option or buffs to stamina sorc ever since. Still no race change even though we got our cash shop and IMO stam sorc has only been nerfed ever since.

eventide03b14a_ESO

Erock25 wrote: »

I'm pissed because my main character, made on the first day of early access release, is a khajiit sorcerer. By the time I reached VR6 and figured out magicka sorc > stamina sorc, I felt like I had invested too much time to start a new character. I've been asking for race change option or buffs to stamina sorc ever since. Still no race change even though we got our cash shop and IMO stam sorc has only been nerfed ever since.

Well I'm not talking about obviously poor race/class choices though. I was referring solely to things that should probably have been fixed/added by now.

Alucardo

One of the biggest problems is we have to wait until the next DLC drop to see changes.

"Don't worry about the huge magicka vs stamina imbalance guys - we'll take a look at it in 5 months"

They'll do the odd little fix here and there, but that's about it. I get they are busy, but if they can't improve the game while bringing out a new DLC quarterly, then they need to release the DLC content later.
I'd rather them look at the things that would make this game more enjoyable (ie: Templar bug fixes, stam sorc improvements, stamina/magicka balance), than see a new DLC every quarter.

david.haypreub18_ESO

keybaud wrote: »

@david.haypreub18_ESO

I can see hose those bugs would get peopel annoyed after so long. I don't really use toppling charge so I guess I just don't really notice.

If you have any other charge skill available (from the 2-Handed or Shield trees), then I would suggest you use it. The Templar one would be awesome because it is a magicka-based charge; but it is just so buggy and locks you out of doing anything (due to the Global Cool Down), which makes it sometimes worse than useless.

Acrolas

My stam sorç is swole AF. Possibly because it's so under-represented that there's no 'subject to change' text hanging above it. It's exactly what I make of it, not what ZOS makes of it.

I think people are just frustrated about ZOS saying 'do any role' on one hand and 'either weapons or abilities' on the other. And then the changes make things more monotonous as opposed to less. It's like they're driving people out of PVP and forcing them to roleplay because you don't have to be competitive when you're just wandering around the game aimlessly.

TLDR ZOS should stop meddling so much because they're turning what could be a tasty, interesting stew into a bucket of sewer water.

david.haypreub18_ESO

This seems to be how things went:

Players: Templar skill A could be toned down a bit. Templar skill B, C, and D are buggy and weak, if not broken, and need to be fixed.

Wrobel: Did I hear someone call for a nerf to Templar skill A? Here you go!

Players: What about fixing Templar skills B, C, and D?

Wrobel: Sorry, that's all we'll have time for this year. Now I must go-- Sorcerers desperately need to be buffed!

Islyn

Mojmir wrote: »

I'm angry from all cookies and no milk

Now I want coookies and milk

Alucardo

Islyn wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

I'm angry from all cookies and no milk

Now I want coookies and milk

Go get some.

DON'T LET YOUR DREAMS BE DREAMS. DO IT. JUST DO IT.

eventide03b14a_ESO

Alucardo wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

I'm angry from all cookies and no milk

Now I want coookies and milk

Go get some.

DON'T LET YOUR DREAMS BE DREAMS. DO IT. JUST DO IT.

https://youtu.be/uPtydxVjHos

HoloYoitsu

My body is ready.

Reedx

hate and love for eso

Mojmir

because its like vegas, shattered hopes and broken dreams,oh and $5 prime rib.

love the game
hate how its being developed

corrosivechains

I think a lot of it at this point is we're getting fed up with developer hubris. Since beta they've had this mindset that the community doesn't know what they're talking about, and when they finally get to a point of "well, maybe you guys were right..." it's immediately followed by a "but we have this totally unrelated tangent we're now going to go on, so we'll circle back to it next patch"....which leads to this cycle we're in now. This has been an ongoing problem since beta and it's honestly a testament to the fanbase for sticking around and trying to make this game a success, despite the developers best efforts against it.

Tankqull

vyrusb23 wrote: »

keybaud wrote: »

Title.

I genuinely don't know. Other than Stamina Sorcerers not getting anything I don't have any problems with the Thieves Guild Patch. And I play all 4 classes.

Why is everyone acting if the game has died. What terrible change did ZOS make, because from my view this patch is, the most balanced the game has been in a while. (Excluding Stam Sorcs)

So really, what is everyone's problem. Also please keep everything calm and relaxed no shouting or anger about nerfs, talk about them constructively

It appears, to me, to be almost entirely PvP related. I pretty much play PvE exclusively and have had no major problems with anything. No lag. No problems with powersets. No problems with "balance" issues. No problems with teaming with other players. Sure, there are occasional buggy missions, but to me it's mostly trivial stuff.

I can't think of one positive PvP thread that I've ever seen. Not one. Yet they continue to play. IMO PvP should be cut out of the game like a cancerous tumor. Of course this will never happen, but it's my opinion none the less.

well do me a favor, ask any mob how they feel when they see a player comming around, and it doesent matter wich class - any statement of a mob regarding his feelings about balance and we can sit together with pveers and talk about balance.

Hand_Bacon

So remember that part in the movie Precious when the mom is dancing in front of the tv singing "Come into my house", I believe that might be the inspiration for this.

true story...

NewBlacksmurf

Watch the last ESO live but read the PTS patch notes first

Reverb

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

This seems to be how things went:

Players: Templar skill A could be toned down a bit. Templar skill B, C, and D are buggy and weak, if not broken, and need to be fixed.

Wrobel: Did I hear someone call for a nerf to Templar skill A? Here you go!

Players: What about fixing Templar skills B, C, and D?

Wrobel: Sorry, that's all we'll have time for this year. Now I must go-- Sorcerers desperately need to be buffed need a heal more powerful than pre-nerf Templar skill A!

Clarified that for you

wayfarerx

Alucardo wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

I'm angry from all cookies and no milk

Now I want coookies and milk

Go get some.

DON'T LET YOUR DREAMS BE DREAMS. DO IT. JUST DO IT.

I would, but Wrobel said I have to stay in my house

dlepi24

Mostly because this game is still not listening to the community or taking the community's suggestions and just continues to butcher every class balance and major problem that the game has 2 years later. Oh, and why the change to meteor? Can people really not distinguish who they shouldn't drop a meteor on?

yodased

sirrmattus wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

because omg mah emereshun doesn't usually match up with omg mah l33t skills got nerfed.

what is your problem?

How much time you got? This may take a while....

SkylarkAU

"This generation seems to use a single voice for all communication – shouting non-stop into the abyss of the internet, expecting a response."

Bossdonut

Because reasons

dem0n1k

I think the majority of people come to game forums to complain, making it seem quite negative. Whilst the mostly happy player base just shuddup & play

Ragnarock1982

Because it's mainly kids... under 20's... that gets angry because when something changes they may have to play differently, and they cant handle change.

Disclaimer: I meant most 'kids'.