Could some people tell me why everyone is so angry?

Mashille · February 2016

Title.

I genuinely don't know. Other than Stamina Sorcerers not getting anything I don't have any problems with the Thieves Guild Patch. And I play all 4 classes.

Why is everyone acting if the game has died. What terrible change did ZOS make, because from my view this patch is, the most balanced the game has been in a while. (Excluding Stam Sorcs)

So really, what is everyone's problem. Also please keep everything calm and relaxed no shouting or anger about nerfs, talk about them constructively

Emma_Overload · February 2016

I think expectations for gameplay changes were very high. ZOS has been telling us to wait for a VERY long time.

Mojmir · February 2016

Get out of my house

Mashille · February 2016

@Emma_Eunjung

Wait for what gameplay changes though? Not to sound rude but I don't really watch ESO Live so I don't know what gamneplay changes people were thinking they were gonna get.

OGLezard · February 2016

Because they clearly don't play their own game

yodased · February 2016

because omg mah emereshun doesn't usually match up with omg mah l33t skills got nerfed.

EnemyOfDaState · February 2016

Every gaming forum in the the history of mmo's has been filled with angry people.

Prabooo · February 2016

'cause MAGELIGHT

Mashille · February 2016

@OGLezard

How have you come to this conclusion. What change did they do that has made you think this?

Mojmir · February 2016

I'm angry from all cookies and no milk

Emma_Overload · February 2016

keybaud wrote: »

@Emma_Eunjung

Wait for what gameplay changes though? Not to sound rude but I don't really watch ESO Live sp I don't know what gamneplay changes people were thinking they were gonna get.

While there always issues with class balance, I think that Magicka/Stamina balance issues are even greater pain points for a lot of players. In PvP, Stamina builds have enjoyed massive advantages because 1) they can stack way more damage and 2) they can roll dodge, block and break CC much more often. In PvE, on the other hand, Magicka builds still have massive advantages of their own, as you can see by looking at the Vet Maelstrom leaderboards on any platform.

I think a lot of people (including myself) were expecting to see changes that help both Stamina and Magicka builds (as well as all 4 classes) compete well in both PvE and PvP. This didn't happen, and it sounds like we're going to have to wait (again) until the Dark Brotherhood DLC (aka Update 10) before we hear any good news.

Veske_Valrune · February 2016

I really just started playing about a month ago so I don't have a ton of experience whatsoever with the community, but there will always be people of an outspoken nature wherever you go, especially in an anonymous environment and in turn a lot of the time their voices are the loudest because they're shouting. I personally have no complaints about the game so far and I haven't started rolling my second char but I've got a few bis pieces and have pugged vWGT as well as getting a 1 death run on maelstrom arena. I don't think I could enjoy the pvp based on what I've seen/played so I can see where a lot of those complaints come from. It's easy to come from a game like wow or swtor and have a high set of pvp standards because of a lot of the core mechanics implemented by wow and others. The biggest difference from what I've been able to gather as a reason for the difference is the fact that Zeni wants this game to function essentially the same on console as it does on pc, which of course means there can be no click to target system. This one difference creates a domino effect for so many other mechanics that can't be implemented without feeling dulled-down or just downright impossible. Bit of a rant so sorry about that.

TL:DR long time mmo player enjoys eso for what it is not what it isn't

Thelon · February 2016

keybaud wrote: »

I genuinely don't know.

Jaronking · February 2016

basically they buff magics classes this patch and than nerfed stamina classes damage.Than made no changes to accommodate the new sets ability or cp changes that boost the viability of magica builds in multiple aspects of the game while not also helping put stam builds.Which makes Magica the go to in PVP and PVE during the TG patch.

So basically in TG Stamina builds will be weaker than Magica Builds and they won't do anything for stam builds until DB.Which means no balanced was really made this patch and just made things worst actually because @Wrobel was to lazy to balance the game for all play styles.

eventide03b14a_ESO · February 2016

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

keybaud wrote: »

@Emma_Eunjung

Wait for what gameplay changes though? Not to sound rude but I don't really watch ESO Live sp I don't know what gamneplay changes people were thinking they were gonna get.

While there always issues with class balance, I think that Magicka/Stamina balance issues are even greater pain points for a lot of players. In PvP, Stamina builds have enjoyed massive advantages because 1) they can stack way more damage and 2) they can roll dodge, block and break CC much more often. In PvE, on the other hand, Magicka builds still have massive advantages of their own, as you can see by looking at the Vet Maelstrom leaderboards on any platform.

I think a lot of people (including myself) were expecting to see changes that help both Stamina and Magicka builds (as well as all 4 classes) compete well in both PvE and PvP. This didn't happen, and it sounds like we're going to have to wait (again) until the Dark Brotherhood DLC (aka Update 10) before we hear any good news.

I'm not sure if there will ever be an acceptable balance. It seems like one will always be better at certain things than the others. The only way they can ever be equal is if they each get abilities that are exactly the same, except for the animations and the pool it draws from.

sirrmattus · February 2016

yodased wrote: »

because omg mah emereshun doesn't usually match up with omg mah l33t skills got nerfed.

what is your problem?

Egonieser · February 2016

keybaud wrote: »

@OGLezard

How have you come to this conclusion. What change did they do that has made you think this?

Read the patch notes and draw your own conclusions.

Some people are not happy with nerfing classes and skills with no real reason. The reason seems to be "well, we did it because we wanted to" same like nerfs to stamina regen while blocking and others in the past.

And also long promised fixes are nowhere to be seen, at least in PTS. People might say that "Oh it's just PTS"
In reality, if it's not already been done - it is very unlikely it will be done in time for launch, as always.

Some of the reasons are very legit to be upset and angry about. Just because it might not affect you doesn't mean everybody has to accept and be fine with it.

Alucardo · February 2016

We were told Dark Brotherhood will revolve around stamina AND magicka changes because they don't want to leave anyone out. So.. what happened with update 10? Why is it all magicka?

I have 8 stamina characters. That's why I'm angry.

Stam sorcs have been asking for buffs for AGES. Update 10 rolls around and not a thing. "We can't fit everything in".

They added a bunch of crap no one asked for instead of buffing stam sorcs. That's why I'm angry.

Mashille · February 2016

@Egonieser

I'm not saying the changes don't affect me. I just don't see what everyone is in an uproar about.

I've read the Patch Notes, NB's got nerfed big time. That's fine even though my main is an NB because they have been dominating for a while.

They nerfed BoL which is understandable as they do not want Templars to be such superior healers to all other classes.

They didn't give anything to Stam sorcs which is annoying.

They nerfed the damage of Stamina builds in general due to CP changes which I will have to wait to see the outcome of as half my toons are stam.

They buffed some Templar DPS abilities which is cool.

They buffed Magicka DK which is cool.

They buffed argonian.

I still really don't see which bit everyone hates. Maybe some people are annoyed about stamina nerfs but we will have to see the outcome.

Mashille · February 2016

@Alucardo

Stamina Sorcs I can understand as i have a Khajiit Stamina Sorc who is kinda neglected atm.

But most threads I see are about Templars being dead. From what is saw they got buffed, apart from BoL nerf, which was justified.

Recremen · February 2016

People are actually mostly happy, but a small handful of changes are undesired by some folks. Thus, those few problems take all the focus, because we believe in the process of developer-player feedback.

Mashille · February 2016

@Recremen

Don't get me wrong, I am all about Developer - Player feedback, check some of my posts. But do people have to get so angry about it, rather than being constructive.

eventide03b14a_ESO · February 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

because omg mah emereshun doesn't usually match up with omg mah l33t skills got nerfed.

what is your problem?

I thought it was hilarious personally.

Mashille · February 2016

And seeing threads like "Would you take a refund" and "Will you reroll your Templar" all seem a bit extreme to me.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · February 2016

Anytime you nerf a go to skill of a class because it is to good and you want to promote diversity, then give a stronger better version of the pre nerfed skill to another class, the first class gets upset. I know shocking right!

Then to top it off since you were bored you gave every class a one shoe fits all counter to another class mechanic, that has no downside.

Then you don't even attempt to touch stamina builds.

Then because taking the best heal in the game away from Templars and giving an improved version to a sorcs pet, wasn't enough, you go out of your way to remind Templars that you have nerfed into the ground any mitigation they had basically forcing them to spam healing to stay alive when trying to hold thier ground.

It is almost like watching a car wreck now. I want to look away but I can't.

Alucardo · February 2016

keybaud wrote: »

@Alucardo

Stamina Sorcs I can understand as i have a Khajiit Stamina Sorc who is kinda neglected atm.

But most threads I see are about Templars being dead. From what is saw they got buffed, apart from BoL nerf, which was justified.

I know right. One Templar told me they need buffing BEFORE stam sorcs. Immediately removed them from friends list.
Just watched a Templar in heavy armour take out 4 DC by spamming heals, proxy, sweeps and nova. I think maybe that was the house Wrobel was talking about. People make fun of him for that, but if you play Templar right you can tank and kill like she did.
There was another one while I was 1vXing that would just stand there holding block and healing. When I finally killed her she went phoenix and healed back to full health. This one wasn't as experienced as the one I mentioned above, but it shows even a noob with BoL can change the outcome of a fight, because it doesn't require any skill.
I'm sorry to say, but I'm glad BoL got nerfed. It's way too strong.

Stam sorc has terrible survivability and its utilities aren't that great. They are a raw melee build at best. I'm really disappointed they got absolutely no love in the upcoming patch. Stamina got shafted pretty hard, and that's going to hit stam sorcs more than any one.

Recremen · February 2016

keybaud wrote: »

@Recremen

Don't get me wrong, I am all about Developer - Player feedback, check some of my posts. But do people have to get so angry about it, rather than being constructive.

No, they do not have to get so angry about it. It is a mystery to everyone!

Nestor · February 2016

Since I don't chase max numbers, most of the changes don't matter to me. When they do, I just adjust gear, respec and move on.

With every major change, it takes me a week or two to get my characters back to where they were with killing mobs and it's no different than it was before.

Mojmir · February 2016

keybaud wrote: »

@Alucardo

Stamina Sorcs I can understand as i have a Khajiit Stamina Sorc who is kinda neglected atm.

But most threads I see are about Templars being dead. From what is saw they got buffed, apart from BoL nerf, which was justified.

toppling charge still bugged, sweep got a increase in range by 1 but still fails on targeting, and what they DID get as buff's are silly confinements(focus).

PhatGrimReaper · February 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

because omg mah emereshun doesn't usually match up with omg mah l33t skills got nerfed.

what is your problem?

Come on brah, you already had one thread closed today.... you trying for some kind of QQ personal best or something?

eventide03b14a_ESO · February 2016

keybaud wrote: »

@Recremen

Don't get me wrong, I am all about Developer - Player feedback, check some of my posts. But do people have to get so angry about it, rather than being constructive.

I think it's mostly just that a lot of folks are impatient at this point. We have been hearing for 2 years now about:

Thieves Guild
Dark Brotherhood
Veteran Level removal
Balancing classes
Fixing the lag in Cyrodiil
etc, etc.

I think we just want results and not excuses at this point. Also some of the changes are bizarre. Nobody was complaining about BoL, yet they decided it was too powerful. They don't remember how badly meteor spamming broke their servers, yet they are ensuring that people start using it all the time. They finally gave NBs a cloak that wasn't total garbage and now they are nerfing the entire mechanic into the ground.