Zos, any plans to nerf Nightblades? This is getting absurd...

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

icontested wrote: »

I'm a dk tank with 4k weapon damage. Noob blades just get in my way

My Khajiit Templar Tank Sandbag, agrees also.

Greiver

Jhunn wrote: »

You're getting ambushed for 10k?

You're running naked?

My ambush attack hits for 9k unbuffed, so it is possible, and that's not even from stealth. Throw in a critical and it damn near 1 shots some people.

Artjuh90

STOP THE NERFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just buff weaker classes like templar the most atm and magicka dk.
sure stam dk could use a stamina whip or even beter a stamina stone giant (which wouldn't affect magicka dk as mutch because one of the morphs is terreble anyway)
man reason we have this large inbalance is the cry's from players like this OP for nerfs.
nerfs aren't a good fix, it's a easy fix for short term not for the long run, reason the game isn't balanced after almost 2 years

melloni_aleb16_ESO

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

Krombie wrote: »

NB are good, The other classes are bad.

NBs are not only good, NBs are GODS in PvP.

1. There is no other game where people run around permanently invisible.
2. There is no other game where permanently invisible people instagib you in 1 sec.
3. There is no other game rewarding such [snip] gameplay with loot from other players.
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1. Afair: WoW, SWTOR, Rift, AoC, Wildstar, DAoC...
2. But everyone loves animation cancelling! it adds so much depth to the game! /s
3. Every MMO with player looting rewards a-hole gameplay.

1. ...... DAoC...( <- with a Serius PvP and team-play ...but with own defects )

Daoc No . I have played that mmorpg fot 10-12 years . The Shadowblade or shade or infiltrator . in combat could not become invisible (the only skill that allowed it was vanish but you could't hit enemy for many seconds , )

just for clarification :P ,

please do not compare a PvP of DAoC with Teso...it's a heresy -.-

Artjuh90

would like to add Nightblades should have a high burst out of stealth. only problem i think it has is the cloak in your face still fully stealthed. that doesn't make sense and if they would change it that you need to be at least like 5 or 10 meters ( i would leave numbers up to ZoS) away from nearest enemy with like 0.5 second cast time then it would bring more high risk high reward. now it's engage and easy exit out if you mess up or are outplayed

Ernest145

Amazes me how anyone can think that 20k burst damage in under a second is balanced. I don't care if night blades are the ganker class, nobody should be able to kill someone in under a second in a competitive pvp environment. That is just awful design, but tbh sure nightblades can do a more damage than other classes but any class can kill someone in under a second if they build right.

Tryxus

Ernest145 wrote: »

nobody should be able to kill someone in under a second in a competitive pvp environment

It's called "assassination"

Also: I'm now opening the SAFN organization. No more nerfs, leave NB untouched and boost the other classes

Catblade

Wah any class in good hands can wreck you. GO ahead nerf nightblade i'll wreck you on my templar or dk and make you feel really bad. Go roll a stamblade and tell me how easy it is. In fact make us a video of you wrecking everyone I'd love to see it since it's a cakewalk.

Ernest145

Tryxus wrote: »

Ernest145 wrote: »

nobody should be able to kill someone in under a second in a competitive pvp environment

It's called "assassination"

Also: I'm now opening the SAFN organization. No more nerfs, leave NB untouched and boost the other classes

How can you expect to have a great pvp experience when most players are running 2 shot bank builds? Literally all you see in pvp today is people ganking running instagib builds.

I didn't ask for a night blade nerf because I know every class can do the exact same just with a bit less damage but same results. This comes down the cp system and no soft caps.

Artjuh90

Ernest145 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Ernest145 wrote: »

nobody should be able to kill someone in under a second in a competitive pvp environment

It's called "assassination"

Also: I'm now opening the SAFN organization. No more nerfs, leave NB untouched and boost the other classes

How can you expect to have a great pvp experience when most players are running 2 shot bank builds? Literally all you see in pvp today is people ganking running instagib builds.

I didn't ask for a night blade nerf because I know every class can do the exact same just with a bit less damage but same results. This comes down the cp system and no soft caps.

Yep, Softcaps makes few build viable. CP removes recource managment 2 worst idea's ZoS could have done for PvP

Tryxus

Ernest145 wrote: »

How can you expect to have a great pvp experience when most players are running 2 shot bank builds?

It keeps you on your toes

JustSnilloc

Sure Nightblades can hit hard, but they also can't take a hit. Being able to hit hard from stealth requires catching someone off guard. Stealth is barely viable in this game already, you get one hit in and then it's gone. Why nerf it further?

If you're being hit by that much damage, it's the result of a particular strategy working. Not because a class needs nerfed.

khele23eb17_ESO

melloni_aleb16_ESO wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

Krombie wrote: »

NB are good, The other classes are bad.

NBs are not only good, NBs are GODS in PvP.

1. There is no other game where people run around permanently invisible.
2. There is no other game where permanently invisible people instagib you in 1 sec.
3. There is no other game rewarding such [snip] gameplay with loot from other players.
[/b]

1. Afair: WoW, SWTOR, Rift, AoC, Wildstar, DAoC...
2. But everyone loves animation cancelling! it adds so much depth to the game! /s
3. Every MMO with player looting rewards a-hole gameplay.

1. ...... DAoC...( <- with a Serius PvP and team-play ...but with own defects )

Daoc No . I have played that mmorpg fot 10-12 years . The Shadowblade or shade or infiltrator . in combat could not become invisible (the only skill that allowed it was vanish but you could't hit enemy for many seconds , )

Youre right not in combat but you could move around as much as you wanted and one-shots out of stealth werent unheard of.

OtarTheMad

Stop posting nerf threads. Threads like this is the reason Magicka DK is dead, bow is a joke, WoE is a troll ability at best and Tornado is getting nerfed vs. other AoE's getting buffed and more that I can't remember. Nerfing stuff isn't always the best answer, maybe try buffing some things back to usability.

NB's are finally fixed and in a good position class wise and people want it nerfed, lol, how about we make Magicka DK not a dead option, change some of the unused morphs/abilities in the game so other classes are on par with NBs in terms of fun and balance.

dday3six

The option that is least likely to lead down the road of nerf circle-jerk would be to update DK and Templar, then if NB and/or Sorc are still an issue tone them down. Nerfing NB and/or Sorc isn't going suddenly fix the issues with DK and Templar.

Speaking in terms of PVP, Magicka DK and Stamina Templar tend to struggle the most. However the root cause is a lack of kit synergy, and nerfs to other classes will not mystically make that go away.

BalticBlues

Artjuh90 wrote: »

STOP THE NERFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just buff weaker classes like templar the most atm and magicka dk.

This would not work: NO BUFF HELPS people who die within a sec by surprise attacks.

zornyan wrote: »

Got insta gibbed last night be a ganker a few times
This is with 31k spell resistance, 24k physical resist buffed.
Literially dead within a second, no chance to even break free of the initial stun.

Indeed, nothing helps against surprise attacks. I tried everything in IC, like
- half of the points in health
- plus seven pieces of heavy armor
- plus strong resistance
result: No use, even in full legendary V16 armor you die within a sec by surprise attacks.

Even heavy protection is a joke for invisible surprise attack NBs.
They are invisible and cut through everything like paper. This IS god mode.

SemiD4rkness

JustSnilloc wrote: »

Sure Nightblades can hit hard, but they also can't take a hit. Being able to hit hard from stealth requires catching someone off guard. Stealth is barely viable in this game already, you get one hit in and then it's gone. Why nerf it further?

If you're being hit by that much damage, it's the result of a particular strategy working. Not because a class needs nerfed.

You know nothing. Stamblades can take a hit. 2k+ regen is enough to survive long fights. And no, none of those hits were from stealth. 10k ambush and 10k surprise attack right in my face.

Heindrich

NB Gap closers are a problem because they can be spammed.

But your problem is a L2P issue.

Catblade

Know what buff helps people that die to surprise attacks? common sense. If you weren't running around alone all willy nilly maybe you wouldn't get ganked.

Heindrich wrote: »

NB Gap closers are a problem because they can be spammed.

But your problem is a L2P issue.

And two handed and templar gap closers can't be spammed? Any gap closer can

SemiD4rkness

Heindrich wrote: »

NB Gap closers are a problem because they can be spammed.

But your problem is a L2P issue.

Your brain has a L2p issue.

SemiD4rkness

Catblade wrote: »

Know what buff helps people that die to surprise attacks? common sense. If you weren't running around alone all willy nilly maybe you wouldn't get ganked.

How can people be this dumb. No gank was involded. He used 2 skills in half a second and hit me for 10+10k, no stealth.

Catblade

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Catblade wrote: »

Know what buff helps people that die to surprise attacks? common sense. If you weren't running around alone all willy nilly maybe you wouldn't get ganked.

How can people be this dumb. No gank was involded. He used 2 skills in half a second and hit me for 10+10k, no stealth.

Maybe he's just a good player. Ever think of that? Like i said make a video of you rolling a stamblade and two shotting everyone and we can talk.

Tryxus

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Catblade wrote: »

Know what buff helps people that die to surprise attacks? common sense. If you weren't running around alone all willy nilly maybe you wouldn't get ganked.

How can people be this dumb. No gank was involded. He used 2 skills in half a second and hit me for 10+10k, no stealth.

Like WB Spam? WB (12k) -> WB (12k) -> WB -> ... -> Death

Egonieser

I have np with nightblades i just don't get how can some of them pull off the absurd numbers.
I have a stamina and magicka NB, my stamblade has 4.1k weapon damage - yet i've never recalled hitting anyone for 10k+ with ambush or surprise attack from stealth. Yet i get hit that constantly, how much more damage can you stack to pull it off? And this is with maces/mauls, both dual weild and 2handed with sharpened+CP.

What is it i am missing, i can't be that bad, how can others pull off those numbers but i can't, and no it's not CP or gear issue, I have best quality gear, CP at cap and damage maxed out, my stats look good, yet in reality it doesn't hit for ***. I've even been hit for 24k+ by a NB (by well known damage stacker/ganker on EU) - where do people pull off these numbers? I spend time every day looking at all armour/weapon sets online and no matter how I crunch the numbers, it just doesn't seem to add up. I know if i sacrifice my regens, i could get 300-400 more weapon damage, but that still doesn't equate to 10k more damage some people manage to pull off compared to mine. When i ask them what are they wearing or if they mind sharing their builds - the answer is: It's a secret.
So either there is something fishy going on or there are sets that are not listed on the wiki pages which i am unaware of, just can't make it out...

Anyone mind sharing a successful stamina NB DD/Gank build that works? Unless it's some super-guarded secret.

Maybe my brain isn't working as it used to be as I'm getting older - I used to be really good at MMO's and competitive games in my day, but ESO is still a mystery in many ways, guess with no real incentive and busy family life i'm missing something.

Tryxus

Egonieser wrote: »

I have np with nightblades i just don't get how can some of them pull off the absurd numbers.
I have a stamina and magicka NB, my stamblade has 4.1k weapon damage - yet i've never recalled hitting anyone for 10k+ with ambush or surprise attack. Yet i get hit that constantly, how much more damage can you stack to pull it off?

Maybe they run crit builds?

Catblade

Egonieser wrote: »

I have np with nightblades i just don't get how can some of them pull off the absurd numbers.
I have a stamina and magicka NB, my stamblade has 4.1k weapon damage - yet i've never recalled hitting anyone for 10k+ with ambush or surprise attack. Yet i get hit that constantly, how much more damage can you stack to pull it off?

That kind of weapon dmg with high crit and high stamina is what you need

dday3six

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Catblade wrote: »

Know what buff helps people that die to surprise attacks? common sense. If you weren't running around alone all willy nilly maybe you wouldn't get ganked.

How can people be this dumb. No gank was involded. He used 2 skills in half a second and hit me for 10+10k, no stealth.

You only have 20k health? With food and the free 5k? Nevertheless it's not an option for you to try and increase your hp and/or mitigation?

SemiD4rkness

dday3six wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Catblade wrote: »

Know what buff helps people that die to surprise attacks? common sense. If you weren't running around alone all willy nilly maybe you wouldn't get ganked.

How can people be this dumb. No gank was involded. He used 2 skills in half a second and hit me for 10+10k, no stealth.

You only have 20k health? With food and the free 5k? Nevertheless it's not an option for you to try and increase your hp and/or mitigation?

23 I think.

SemiD4rkness

Tryxus wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Catblade wrote: »

Know what buff helps people that die to surprise attacks? common sense. If you weren't running around alone all willy nilly maybe you wouldn't get ganked.

How can people be this dumb. No gank was involded. He used 2 skills in half a second and hit me for 10+10k, no stealth.

Like WB Spam? WB (12k) -> WB (12k) -> WB -> ... -> Death

That in 4-5 seconds. Not instant.

gw2only1b14_ESO

Egonieser wrote: »

I have np with nightblades i just don't get how can some of them pull off the absurd numbers.
I have a stamina and magicka NB, my stamblade has 4.1k weapon damage - yet i've never recalled hitting anyone for 10k+ with ambush or surprise attack. Yet i get hit that constantly, how much more damage can you stack to pull it off?

@ is this some NB on NB violence here?