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Zos, any plans to nerf Nightblades? This is getting absurd...
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ralonasan✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »> stamblade
> make us a video of you wrecking everyone I'd love to see it since it's a cakewalk.
This video comes to mind
https://youtu.be/NqMqmsO5nhw?t=15s
Balance
This says everything about your mindset as a player of this game. You conveniently ignore facts and cry nerf. Did you notice maybe that the build in the video can be run by any class? he;s crit charge executing and dodgerolling for the bow speed buff. If a dk or a stam sorc ran that, with the right race combo they can do what he does better.
Also, he's in a group. AND this video is from when upper crag was released....
/thread
Dude, who are you? Tell me, do you think Nightblades are balanced? If you are good player you should know the answer, otherwise you're just some ganker abusing an op class.
Do you even read what's being posted? Or is nerf stamped backwards on your forehead so you see it every morning when you wake up and look in the mirror?
You're being outplayed. Go get better. When a stam Nightblade kills me it isn't because they are OP or broken, it's because I did something wrong. That's how GOOD players think. Just like when i get wombo combod by any other class. I die more to templars than Nbs, because a character built well can kill me. Not because whatever kills me is OP. Get a grip.
How do you survive 25k+ of burst damage if you don't mind me asking, especially when fighting mobs in IC .
Don't say "oh I use a detect pot etc" that's when you are aware they are near or after you, decet /immovable pots aren't up 100% of the time.
I literially have been killed within a split second, not even seen the attacks happen, there is zero defence against this, yesterday I got ambushed from stealth and was dead instantly, I only saw the ambush and even though I pressed break free I was dead before the animation had even started.
My death recap was lotus fan, proxy det, concealed weapon and soul harvest.
Was your gear broken? because if i got hit by that combo i'd still have enough time to tri pot and healing ward to full health. the only class that does that much burst to me is stam DK, with dragon leap. Also. if it's in the sewers, you're kind of asking for it cause i'm assuming you're running a build to grind mobs. Easy stones. and if you level alchemy to 50 you have 15 second down time between pots rolling and buffing you...
impen gear and radiant magelight is your best friend when it comes to not being wombocombo ganked. Most people run mutiple sets of gear on their character that they switch to depending on what they are doing. But the sewers brings in many other factors that are unrelated to nightblades. If you're grinding in there you will get ganked by many classes. Doesn't have to be a nightblade.
If i run a character that utilizes zero defensive abilities against a stealth ganker , I should expect to die if they have their ulti up, time prox det and crit. It's good timing on their part, and poor preparedness on mine.The ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
☐ Nerf/Buff Sorcerers.
☐ Nerf/Buff Nightblades.
☐ Nerf/Buff Dragonknights.
☐ Nerf/Buff Templars.
☐ THIS IS P2W!
☐ L2P n00b.
☐ Where is the LOL button??
☐ Fix PvP lag.
☐ LFG is full of scrubs.
☐ WHEN WILL YOU ADD CONSOLE TEXT CHAT?
☐ WHEN ARE ARENAS COMING?
☐ Natch Potes.
☐ Nerf Veteran Maelstrom Arena.
☐ Race Change ETA?
☐ Please add the Barber Shop!
☐ Why don't Trials scale?
☐ Working as intended.
☐ Why did you nerf/buff this?
☐ When will "thing" be added?0 -
Dexter411✭✭✭Here we go:
All four passives from Assasination Skill Tree are very, very useful no matter if you are magicka or stamina(NB even have great executioner ability with morphs for magicka and stamina)
Bolstering Darkness gives you 60% of damage reduction and half to allies (for those who do not understand this, mob deals to you 10K dmg if you pop this ult it will become 4K. 4K!)
Shadow cloak(ability to become invisible), Veiled Strike high dmg ability(once again for both magicka and stamina)
Mass Hysteria gives enemies Minor Maim(ANOTHER DMG REDUCITON, 15%) same for Summon Shade and with Shadow Image morph you have so much mobility.
Now passives: free stat reg boost, bonus i repeat bonus defence stats for spamming your high damage ability(DK need to keep Spiked Armor for the same bonus!), bonus max HP for each Shadow ability slotted, and increas duration of abilites.
Last, Siphoning: Soul Shread - heals you or allies depends on morhp (Soul Tether does not have any limitations how many enemies you can hit with it and stun them+selfheal)
3 damaging/snaring abilites, Siphoning Attacks(unlimited resorces and from what i remember DoTs can proc it!)
Drain Power - again for stamina or magicka builds and it is better then Impulse(it is crazy)
And once again, passives: more ultimate more max magicka and. bonus for healing done.
Someone can say: - "Hey! Nightblades do not have any good sustain in combat." WRONG! If you are Magicka NB you have ton of selfheal and most(if not all) stamina builds have Vigor and/or Rally.
I can not speak about Templar class but when someone WHO SHOULD BE ASSASIN has much more sustain and utility then Class made for tanking (yes Dragonknights are very bad class to play right, now you can not even make legit stamina DK build without 80% of your abilites from weapon/armor/guild skill trees)
I have no idea why i even took so much time to write all this since they will not change(balance) classes soon.
Instead of working on changing name for Veteran Ranks they should really, really think how stupid Nightblades are(especially compared to Dragonknights)
And No, i did not got rekt by NB in PvP and that is why i write all this. I am writing it based on my experience playing(mostly PvE) both NB and DK(and simple logic since i can only imagine/assume how it is to play vs NB in PvP)0 -
CP5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »> stamblade
> make us a video of you wrecking everyone I'd love to see it since it's a cakewalk.
This video comes to mindhttps://youtu.be/NqMqmsO5nhw?t=15s
Balance
This says everything about your mindset as a player of this game. You conveniently ignore facts and cry nerf. Did you notice maybe that the build in the video can be run by any class? he;s crit charge executing and dodgerolling for the bow speed buff. If a dk or a stam sorc ran that, with the right race combo they can do what he does better.
Also, he's in a group. AND this video is from when upper crag was released....
/thread
Look at the skill bars. Fear, big time help in that video for the burst. Surprise attack, major armor debuff, definitely not helping out at all. And soul harvest? Cheap ultimate designed to be used in burst rotation, that doesn't help divide the nb's burst potential from other classes. How could a dk or sorc run the build and expect the same results? Now dk's have engulfing flames for the armor debuff sure, but take flight is far more expensive than soul harvest, sure rune prison and petrify can be used like fear but fear is still more effective. Oh, and let's not forget passives. Can any stam build run this setup, sure. Can they run it like a nb? No.0 -
ralonasan✭✭✭✭So I was running around out of stealth and ran in to a Sorc with full shields to my dismay he beat me down.... OP NERF please... I'm kidding of course the point is don't fight a sorc with his shields up out of stealth as a NB and expect to win. Same principle applies don't get caught with half health or shields down by a stealthing NB because your not going to win. Nightblades are meant to win fights when they catch you by surprise. PvP is not a solo game by nature unless perhaps you are a NB. In a 1v1 duel NB are by no means at an advantage to other classes if said player knows what he is doing. The outcome is usually decided by a slip up from one player or the other and or a lopsided CP match up. You call for a NB nerf but I can all but guarantee you that the best nightblade in this game absolutely under no circumstances can beat the best sorcerer in the game heads up. But if that same nightblade happens to catch the sorc with his shields down more than likely will kill him in about 1 second. Magicka Templars are not the best suited class to be running around the sewers solo but on the other hand a group with a Magicka Templar in it becomes a much much stronger group. In group play adding a Templar will improve the groups ability to win fights way more than the addition of a NB. Every class in the game cant be equally good at everything. If it was what would be the fun in race class selection. This is an MMO not a FPS part of the game is theory crafting and building toon to do something special it isn't 100% about who has the most skill with the exact same abilities. In fact traditionally MMOs are not about skill its a small part of the game. Strategy and theory craft supersede skill in MMOs. Granted ESO does have an interested combat system that brings a bit of skill and reaction time in to the equation but just try and remember what kind of a game you are playing before you call out OP NERF on everything. Think roleplaying game here for a second. I'm a magicka templar running around in cloth gear killing monsters by myself and over there is a skilled deadly assassin with 2 bloody daggers born and bred to kill people when they aren't expecting it. BOOM im dead he got me... what doesnt make sense about that? anyway im pretty lazy and i'm not up to going back and correcting this awful grammar and such so im sorry for having you trudge through this but I hope the points open people up to different points of view. In closing I just want to say that Im not calling anyone out here or throwing the L2P at ya just trying to offer a different angle.
Tax
+35 for lots of brainpowerThe ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
☐ Nerf/Buff Sorcerers.
☐ Nerf/Buff Nightblades.
☐ Nerf/Buff Dragonknights.
☐ Nerf/Buff Templars.
☐ THIS IS P2W!
☐ L2P n00b.
☐ Where is the LOL button??
☐ Fix PvP lag.
☐ LFG is full of scrubs.
☐ WHEN WILL YOU ADD CONSOLE TEXT CHAT?
☐ WHEN ARE ARENAS COMING?
☐ Natch Potes.
☐ Nerf Veteran Maelstrom Arena.
☐ Race Change ETA?
☐ Please add the Barber Shop!
☐ Why don't Trials scale?
☐ Working as intended.
☐ Why did you nerf/buff this?
☐ When will "thing" be added?0 -
RatedChaotic✭✭✭✭Theres always a counter. L2P
Most people look up and follow online builds. They mostly think damage damage and kill kill kill. What they fail to realize are good defensive tactics and abilities.Edited by RatedChaotic on December 12, 2015 9:19PM1 -
Hammy01✭✭✭✭✭Just for the Lol's I think ZOS should make everyone switch classes for a week. If you are NB you have to play a Templar and vise versa, whereas Sorc's and DK's could switch.... or just randomly switch you out with another class of your mains level. Then wait until the week is over and see what people have to say about the class they were stuck with.1 -
zornyan✭✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »> stamblade
> make us a video of you wrecking everyone I'd love to see it since it's a cakewalk.
This video comes to mindhttps://youtu.be/NqMqmsO5nhw?t=15s
Balance
This says everything about your mindset as a player of this game. You conveniently ignore facts and cry nerf. Did you notice maybe that the build in the video can be run by any class? he;s crit charge executing and dodgerolling for the bow speed buff. If a dk or a stam sorc ran that, with the right race combo they can do what he does better.
Also, he's in a group. AND this video is from when upper crag was released....
/thread
Dude, who are you? Tell me, do you think Nightblades are balanced? If you are good player you should know the answer, otherwise you're just some ganker abusing an op class.
Do you even read what's being posted? Or is nerf stamped backwards on your forehead so you see it every morning when you wake up and look in the mirror?
You're being outplayed. Go get better. When a stam Nightblade kills me it isn't because they are OP or broken, it's because I did something wrong. That's how GOOD players think. Just like when i get wombo combod by any other class. I die more to templars than Nbs, because a character built well can kill me. Not because whatever kills me is OP. Get a grip.
How do you survive 25k+ of burst damage if you don't mind me asking, especially when fighting mobs in IC .
Don't say "oh I use a detect pot etc" that's when you are aware they are near or after you, decet /immovable pots aren't up 100% of the time.
I literially have been killed within a split second, not even seen the attacks happen, there is zero defence against this, yesterday I got ambushed from stealth and was dead instantly, I only saw the ambush and even though I pressed break free I was dead before the animation had even started.
My death recap was lotus fan, proxy det, concealed weapon and soul harvest.
Was your gear broken? because if i got hit by that combo i'd still have enough time to tri pot and healing ward to full health. the only class that does that much burst to me is stam DK, with dragon leap. Also. if it's in the sewers, you're kind of asking for it cause i'm assuming you're running a build to grind mobs. Easy stones. and if you level alchemy to 50 you have 15 second down time between pots rolling and buffing you...
impen gear and radiant magelight is your best friend when it comes to not being wombocombo ganked. Most people run mutiple sets of gear on their character that they switch to depending on what they are doing. But the sewers brings in many other factors that are unrelated to nightblades. If you're grinding in there you will get ganked by many classes. Doesn't have to be a nightblade.
If i run a character that utilizes zero defensive abilities against a stealth ganker , I should expect to die if they have their ulti up, time prox det and crit. It's good timing on their part, and poor preparedness on mine.
Nope, had 25k physical and 31k spell resistance buffed (it was at the time) all those abilities happened before I could do anything, I would have used a BOL to heal but as said couldn't even break free before I was dead. Literially as he appeared I caught a glimpse of him then I was dead. No defence possible. No single person other than a shield stacking sorc would survive that.
I had 24k hp, was at full health, each of the attacks hit me for 7-9k (even lotus fan was 7k).
I've not been ganked successfully by another class, I've lost a few fights to dome Sorc's , but generally I can actually counter play, and have even a slight chance.
Was a mag blade btw1 -
SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭So I was running around out of stealth and ran in to a Sorc with full shields to my dismay he beat me down.... OP NERF please... I'm kidding of course the point is don't fight a sorc with his shields up out of stealth as a NB and expect to win. Same principle applies don't get caught with half health or shields down by a stealthing NB because your not going to win. Nightblades are meant to win fights when they catch you by surprise. PvP is not a solo game by nature unless perhaps you are a NB. In a 1v1 duel NB are by no means at an advantage to other classes if said player knows what he is doing. The outcome is usually decided by a slip up from one player or the other and or a lopsided CP match up. You call for a NB nerf but I can all but guarantee you that the best nightblade in this game absolutely under no circumstances can beat the best sorcerer in the game heads up. But if that same nightblade happens to catch the sorc with his shields down more than likely will kill him in about 1 second. Magicka Templars are not the best suited class to be running around the sewers solo but on the other hand a group with a Magicka Templar in it becomes a much much stronger group. In group play adding a Templar will improve the groups ability to win fights way more than the addition of a NB. Every class in the game cant be equally good at everything. If it was what would be the fun in race class selection. This is an MMO not a FPS part of the game is theory crafting and building toon to do something special it isn't 100% about who has the most skill with the exact same abilities. In fact traditionally MMOs are not about skill its a small part of the game. Strategy and theory craft supersede skill in MMOs. Granted ESO does have an interested combat system that brings a bit of skill and reaction time in to the equation but just try and remember what kind of a game you are playing before you call out OP NERF on everything. Think roleplaying game here for a second. I'm a magicka templar running around in cloth gear killing monsters by myself and over there is a skilled deadly assassin with 2 bloody daggers born and bred to kill people when they aren't expecting it. BOOM im dead he got me... what doesnt make sense about that? anyway im pretty lazy and i'm not up to going back and correcting this awful grammar and such so im sorry for having you trudge through this but I hope the points open people up to different points of view. In closing I just want to say that Im not calling anyone out here or throwing the L2P at ya just trying to offer a different angle.
Tax
+35 for lots of brainpower
Calm down, you'll get those 5 stars no need to comment the same *** comment everytime someone defends NB class.0 -
ralonasan✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »> stamblade
> make us a video of you wrecking everyone I'd love to see it since it's a cakewalk.
This video comes to mindhttps://youtu.be/NqMqmsO5nhw?t=15s
Balance
This says everything about your mindset as a player of this game. You conveniently ignore facts and cry nerf. Did you notice maybe that the build in the video can be run by any class? he;s crit charge executing and dodgerolling for the bow speed buff. If a dk or a stam sorc ran that, with the right race combo they can do what he does better.
Also, he's in a group. AND this video is from when upper crag was released....
/thread
Dude, who are you? Tell me, do you think Nightblades are balanced? If you are good player you should know the answer, otherwise you're just some ganker abusing an op class.
Do you even read what's being posted? Or is nerf stamped backwards on your forehead so you see it every morning when you wake up and look in the mirror?
You're being outplayed. Go get better. When a stam Nightblade kills me it isn't because they are OP or broken, it's because I did something wrong. That's how GOOD players think. Just like when i get wombo combod by any other class. I die more to templars than Nbs, because a character built well can kill me. Not because whatever kills me is OP. Get a grip.
How do you survive 25k+ of burst damage if you don't mind me asking, especially when fighting mobs in IC .
Don't say "oh I use a detect pot etc" that's when you are aware they are near or after you, decet /immovable pots aren't up 100% of the time.
I literially have been killed within a split second, not even seen the attacks happen, there is zero defence against this, yesterday I got ambushed from stealth and was dead instantly, I only saw the ambush and even though I pressed break free I was dead before the animation had even started.
My death recap was lotus fan, proxy det, concealed weapon and soul harvest.
Was your gear broken? because if i got hit by that combo i'd still have enough time to tri pot and healing ward to full health. the only class that does that much burst to me is stam DK, with dragon leap. Also. if it's in the sewers, you're kind of asking for it cause i'm assuming you're running a build to grind mobs. Easy stones. and if you level alchemy to 50 you have 15 second down time between pots rolling and buffing you...
impen gear and radiant magelight is your best friend when it comes to not being wombocombo ganked. Most people run mutiple sets of gear on their character that they switch to depending on what they are doing. But the sewers brings in many other factors that are unrelated to nightblades. If you're grinding in there you will get ganked by many classes. Doesn't have to be a nightblade.
If i run a character that utilizes zero defensive abilities against a stealth ganker , I should expect to die if they have their ulti up, time prox det and crit. It's good timing on their part, and poor preparedness on mine.
Nope, had 25k physical and 31k spell resistance buffed (it was at the time) all those abilities happened before I could do anything, I would have used a BOL to heal but as said couldn't even break free before I was dead. Literially as he appeared I caught a glimpse of him then I was dead. No defence possible. No single person other than a shield stacking sorc would survive that.
I had 24k hp, was at full health, each of the attacks hit me for 7-9k (even lotus fan was 7k).
I've not been ganked successfully by another class, I've lost a few fights to dome Sorc's , but generally I can actually counter play, and have even a slight chance.
Was a mag blade btw
I play a mage nightblade as well, feel free to pm me in game if you want to discuss it further @nasan
The ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
☐ Nerf/Buff Sorcerers.
☐ Nerf/Buff Nightblades.
☐ Nerf/Buff Dragonknights.
☐ Nerf/Buff Templars.
☐ THIS IS P2W!
☐ L2P n00b.
☐ Where is the LOL button??
☐ Fix PvP lag.
☐ LFG is full of scrubs.
☐ WHEN WILL YOU ADD CONSOLE TEXT CHAT?
☐ WHEN ARE ARENAS COMING?
☐ Natch Potes.
☐ Nerf Veteran Maelstrom Arena.
☐ Race Change ETA?
☐ Please add the Barber Shop!
☐ Why don't Trials scale?
☐ Working as intended.
☐ Why did you nerf/buff this?
☐ When will "thing" be added?0 -
ralonasan✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »So I was running around out of stealth and ran in to a Sorc with full shields to my dismay he beat me down.... OP NERF please... I'm kidding of course the point is don't fight a sorc with his shields up out of stealth as a NB and expect to win. Same principle applies don't get caught with half health or shields down by a stealthing NB because your not going to win. Nightblades are meant to win fights when they catch you by surprise. PvP is not a solo game by nature unless perhaps you are a NB. In a 1v1 duel NB are by no means at an advantage to other classes if said player knows what he is doing. The outcome is usually decided by a slip up from one player or the other and or a lopsided CP match up. You call for a NB nerf but I can all but guarantee you that the best nightblade in this game absolutely under no circumstances can beat the best sorcerer in the game heads up. But if that same nightblade happens to catch the sorc with his shields down more than likely will kill him in about 1 second. Magicka Templars are not the best suited class to be running around the sewers solo but on the other hand a group with a Magicka Templar in it becomes a much much stronger group. In group play adding a Templar will improve the groups ability to win fights way more than the addition of a NB. Every class in the game cant be equally good at everything. If it was what would be the fun in race class selection. This is an MMO not a FPS part of the game is theory crafting and building toon to do something special it isn't 100% about who has the most skill with the exact same abilities. In fact traditionally MMOs are not about skill its a small part of the game. Strategy and theory craft supersede skill in MMOs. Granted ESO does have an interested combat system that brings a bit of skill and reaction time in to the equation but just try and remember what kind of a game you are playing before you call out OP NERF on everything. Think roleplaying game here for a second. I'm a magicka templar running around in cloth gear killing monsters by myself and over there is a skilled deadly assassin with 2 bloody daggers born and bred to kill people when they aren't expecting it. BOOM im dead he got me... what doesnt make sense about that? anyway im pretty lazy and i'm not up to going back and correcting this awful grammar and such so im sorry for having you trudge through this but I hope the points open people up to different points of view. In closing I just want to say that Im not calling anyone out here or throwing the L2P at ya just trying to offer a different angle.
Tax
+35 for lots of brainpower
Calm down, you'll get those 5 stars no need to comment the same *** comment everytime someone defends NB class.
That's - 100 brainpowerThe ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
☐ Nerf/Buff Sorcerers.
☐ Nerf/Buff Nightblades.
☐ Nerf/Buff Dragonknights.
☐ Nerf/Buff Templars.
☐ THIS IS P2W!
☐ L2P n00b.
☐ Where is the LOL button??
☐ Fix PvP lag.
☐ LFG is full of scrubs.
☐ WHEN WILL YOU ADD CONSOLE TEXT CHAT?
☐ WHEN ARE ARENAS COMING?
☐ Natch Potes.
☐ Nerf Veteran Maelstrom Arena.
☐ Race Change ETA?
☐ Please add the Barber Shop!
☐ Why don't Trials scale?
☐ Working as intended.
☐ Why did you nerf/buff this?
☐ When will "thing" be added?0 -
zornyan✭✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »> stamblade
> make us a video of you wrecking everyone I'd love to see it since it's a cakewalk.
This video comes to mindhttps://youtu.be/NqMqmsO5nhw?t=15s
Balance
This says everything about your mindset as a player of this game. You conveniently ignore facts and cry nerf. Did you notice maybe that the build in the video can be run by any class? he;s crit charge executing and dodgerolling for the bow speed buff. If a dk or a stam sorc ran that, with the right race combo they can do what he does better.
Also, he's in a group. AND this video is from when upper crag was released....
/thread
Dude, who are you? Tell me, do you think Nightblades are balanced? If you are good player you should know the answer, otherwise you're just some ganker abusing an op class.
Do you even read what's being posted? Or is nerf stamped backwards on your forehead so you see it every morning when you wake up and look in the mirror?
You're being outplayed. Go get better. When a stam Nightblade kills me it isn't because they are OP or broken, it's because I did something wrong. That's how GOOD players think. Just like when i get wombo combod by any other class. I die more to templars than Nbs, because a character built well can kill me. Not because whatever kills me is OP. Get a grip.
How do you survive 25k+ of burst damage if you don't mind me asking, especially when fighting mobs in IC .
Don't say "oh I use a detect pot etc" that's when you are aware they are near or after you, decet /immovable pots aren't up 100% of the time.
I literially have been killed within a split second, not even seen the attacks happen, there is zero defence against this, yesterday I got ambushed from stealth and was dead instantly, I only saw the ambush and even though I pressed break free I was dead before the animation had even started.
My death recap was lotus fan, proxy det, concealed weapon and soul harvest.
Was your gear broken? because if i got hit by that combo i'd still have enough time to tri pot and healing ward to full health. the only class that does that much burst to me is stam DK, with dragon leap. Also. if it's in the sewers, you're kind of asking for it cause i'm assuming you're running a build to grind mobs. Easy stones. and if you level alchemy to 50 you have 15 second down time between pots rolling and buffing you...
impen gear and radiant magelight is your best friend when it comes to not being wombocombo ganked. Most people run mutiple sets of gear on their character that they switch to depending on what they are doing. But the sewers brings in many other factors that are unrelated to nightblades. If you're grinding in there you will get ganked by many classes. Doesn't have to be a nightblade.
If i run a character that utilizes zero defensive abilities against a stealth ganker , I should expect to die if they have their ulti up, time prox det and crit. It's good timing on their part, and poor preparedness on mine.
Nope, had 25k physical and 31k spell resistance buffed (it was at the time) all those abilities happened before I could do anything, I would have used a BOL to heal but as said couldn't even break free before I was dead. Literially as he appeared I caught a glimpse of him then I was dead. No defence possible. No single person other than a shield stacking sorc would survive that.
I had 24k hp, was at full health, each of the attacks hit me for 7-9k (even lotus fan was 7k).
I've not been ganked successfully by another class, I've lost a few fights to dome Sorc's , but generally I can actually counter play, and have even a slight chance.
Was a mag blade btw
I play a mage nightblade as well, feel free to pm me in game if you want to discuss it further @nasan
What? It was a magblade that ganked me, I was on my templar0 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭BalticBlues wrote: »If you don't want to get 1 shot, build around surviving gankers
Didn't you read what we have posted in this thread?always funny to see people QQ about getting oneshotted with no health investment.
Half of your points in health + 7 pieces HA + massive resistance
= nothing helps against instagibs from invisibility
But NBs are the only ones that can generate this damage out of permanent invisibility.UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Nightblades are not the only ones that can give you one. 20k damage in less than a second
As you do not seem to understand how permanent invisibility + instagib damage is OP:
How would you feel about a Templar that could heal out of permanent invisibility?
Give each class permanent invisibily, and then let's see how this is a L2P issue.
Permanent invisibility needs to go, sorry.
This god mode is not only killing players instantly without any chance,
it is also killing the fun, balance and diversity in this game. Result: PvP = >70% NBs
You do realize you have to be a Magicka NB to have permainvis right? OP is upset at Stamina NBs. Stam NBs would need invis pots, which cannot be spammed, or hella Magicka Recovery, which is counterproductive to their build.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on December 12, 2015 9:42PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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blur✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »Most people run around with 20k hp in Cyrodiil. New sets will come, cp cap will be increased this is only gonna get worse. Ambush + Surprise attack can be done in less than 1 second. 10k each and ive seen people hit harder. All this with 50% dmg reduction. Even if you survive that all it takes to kill you is fear + ult and you're good to go. So, any plans to nerf this class or you want to keep the easy mode in this game's pvp? I should just leave this game I don't have the time to lvl up a NB and laugh at everyone in pvp. This is not balance this is stupidity.
And please if all you want to do here is ''l2p scrub'' save your words. This class is taking away all the fun I had in this game. I wanna run around solo? get ambushed to death by 3 nb gankers. Wanna farm sewers? As soon as im low in health 3 nbs come to execute me, they fail? No problem just dissapear and wait until im low in health again.
I see a lot of people in Cyro with less than 20, in fact a lot have around 18k.
Ambush + SA barely break the under 1s. All skills have an internal GCD of .8s and you still need to finish the Ambush animation before you can hit with SA. Let's not forget every single class in the game is capable of pulling off a skill combo of 2 hard hitting skills in this amount of time. So spare us the "NB are OP" rhetoric, it's tiresome and flagrantly false. Also if you are even remotely geared both of these abilities (SA/Amb) will not be doing over 10k each. The only way you can even hit that hard is with sneak attack, empower, and a fully debuffed (major/minor fracture) player. Even then you are not guaranteed for both hitting over 10k. Dk's however can do damage like this outside of stealth with just heavy attacks. Stop whining.
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blur✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »BalticBlues wrote: »If you don't want to get 1 shot, build around surviving gankers
Didn't you read what we have posted in this thread?always funny to see people QQ about getting oneshotted with no health investment.
Half of your points in health + 7 pieces HA + massive resistance
= nothing helps against instagibs from invisibility
But NBs are the only ones that can generate this damage out of permanent invisibility.UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Nightblades are not the only ones that can give you one. 20k damage in less than a second
As you do not seem to understand how permanent invisibility + instagib damage is OP:
How would you feel about a Templar that could heal out of permanent invisibility?
Give each class permanent invisibily, and then let's see how this is a L2P issue.
Permanent invisibility needs to go, sorry.
This god mode is not only killing players instantly without any chance,
it is also killing the fun, balance and diversity in this game. Result: PvP = >70% NBs
You do realize you have to be a Magicka NB to have permainvis right? OP is upset at Stamina NBs. Stam NBs would need invis pots, which cannot be spammed, or hella Magicka Recovery, which is counterproductive to their build.
You need to realize even a Magicka NB does not have perma invis where Radiant Magelight is used. Also snaring said Magicka NB keeps them close enough to be pulled out of said invis with any form of AoE. Considering Steel Tornado is the best stamina AoE in the game, we are talking about a 12.5m radius which is huge. These arguments are extremely weak and I find these threads to be commonplace amongst newbies who have poor self awareness and think they are good.2 -
ralonasan✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »Most people run around with 20k hp in Cyrodiil. New sets will come, cp cap will be increased this is only gonna get worse. Ambush + Surprise attack can be done in less than 1 second. 10k each and ive seen people hit harder. All this with 50% dmg reduction. Even if you survive that all it takes to kill you is fear + ult and you're good to go. So, any plans to nerf this class or you want to keep the easy mode in this game's pvp? I should just leave this game I don't have the time to lvl up a NB and laugh at everyone in pvp. This is not balance this is stupidity.
And please if all you want to do here is ''l2p scrub'' save your words. This class is taking away all the fun I had in this game. I wanna run around solo? get ambushed to death by 3 nb gankers. Wanna farm sewers? As soon as im low in health 3 nbs come to execute me, they fail? No problem just dissapear and wait until im low in health again.
I see a lot of people in Cyro with less than 20, in fact a lot have around 18k.
Ambush + SA barely break the under 1s. All skills have an internal GCD of .8s and you still need to finish the Ambush animation before you can hit with SA. Let's not forget every single class in the game is capable of pulling off a skill combo of 2 hard hitting skills in this amount of time. So spare us the "NB are OP" rhetoric, it's tiresome and flagrantly false. Also if you are even remotely geared both of these abilities (SA/Amb) will not be doing over 10k each. The only way you can even hit that hard is with sneak attack, empower, and a fully debuffed (major/minor fracture) player. Even then you are not guaranteed for both hitting over 10k. Dk's however can do damage like this outside of stealth with just heavy attacks. Stop whining.
I agree, you should leave this game. I will rejoice greatly knowing that a whining player who can't see beyond his myopic ignorance has left this game. One less fountain of misinformation to worry about polluting this game and trying to steer the devs toward their egregious bias.
You really have no idea wtf you are talking about and your bias is as obvious as a fart in the car.
so much this, thank you.The ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
☐ Nerf/Buff Sorcerers.
☐ Nerf/Buff Nightblades.
☐ Nerf/Buff Dragonknights.
☐ Nerf/Buff Templars.
☐ THIS IS P2W!
☐ L2P n00b.
☐ Where is the LOL button??
☐ Fix PvP lag.
☐ LFG is full of scrubs.
☐ WHEN WILL YOU ADD CONSOLE TEXT CHAT?
☐ WHEN ARE ARENAS COMING?
☐ Natch Potes.
☐ Nerf Veteran Maelstrom Arena.
☐ Race Change ETA?
☐ Please add the Barber Shop!
☐ Why don't Trials scale?
☐ Working as intended.
☐ Why did you nerf/buff this?
☐ When will "thing" be added?0 -
SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »Most people run around with 20k hp in Cyrodiil. New sets will come, cp cap will be increased this is only gonna get worse. Ambush + Surprise attack can be done in less than 1 second. 10k each and ive seen people hit harder. All this with 50% dmg reduction. Even if you survive that all it takes to kill you is fear + ult and you're good to go. So, any plans to nerf this class or you want to keep the easy mode in this game's pvp? I should just leave this game I don't have the time to lvl up a NB and laugh at everyone in pvp. This is not balance this is stupidity.
And please if all you want to do here is ''l2p scrub'' save your words. This class is taking away all the fun I had in this game. I wanna run around solo? get ambushed to death by 3 nb gankers. Wanna farm sewers? As soon as im low in health 3 nbs come to execute me, they fail? No problem just dissapear and wait until im low in health again.
I see a lot of people in Cyro with less than 20, in fact a lot have around 18k.
Ambush + SA barely break the under 1s. All skills have an internal GCD of .8s and you still need to finish the Ambush animation before you can hit with SA. Let's not forget every single class in the game is capable of pulling off a skill combo of 2 hard hitting skills in this amount of time. So spare us the "NB are OP" rhetoric, it's tiresome and flagrantly false. Also if you are even remotely geared both of these abilities (SA/Amb) will not be doing over 10k each. The only way you can even hit that hard is with sneak attack, empower, and a fully debuffed (major/minor fracture) player. Even then you are not guaranteed for both hitting over 10k. Dk's however can do damage like this outside of stealth with just heavy attacks. Stop whining.
I agree, you should leave this game. I will rejoice greatly knowing that a whining player who can't see beyond his myopic ignorance has left this game. One less fountain of misinformation to worry about polluting this game and trying to steer the devs toward their egregious bias.
You really have no idea wtf you are talking about and your bias is as obvious as a fart in the car.
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ralonasan✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »BalticBlues wrote: »If you don't want to get 1 shot, build around surviving gankers
Didn't you read what we have posted in this thread?always funny to see people QQ about getting oneshotted with no health investment.
Half of your points in health + 7 pieces HA + massive resistance
= nothing helps against instagibs from invisibility
But NBs are the only ones that can generate this damage out of permanent invisibility.UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Nightblades are not the only ones that can give you one. 20k damage in less than a second
As you do not seem to understand how permanent invisibility + instagib damage is OP:
How would you feel about a Templar that could heal out of permanent invisibility?
Give each class permanent invisibily, and then let's see how this is a L2P issue.
Permanent invisibility needs to go, sorry.
This god mode is not only killing players instantly without any chance,
it is also killing the fun, balance and diversity in this game. Result: PvP = >70% NBs
You do realize you have to be a Magicka NB to have permainvis right? OP is upset at Stamina NBs. Stam NBs would need invis pots, which cannot be spammed, or hella Magicka Recovery, which is counterproductive to their build.
You need to realize even a Magicka NB does not have perma invis where Radiant Magelight is used. Also snaring said Magicka NB keeps them close enough to be pulled out of said invis with any form of AoE. Considering Steel Tornado is the best stamina AoE in the game, we are talking about a 12.5m radius which is huge. These arguments are extremely weak and I find these threads to be commonplace amongst newbies who have poor self awareness and think they are good.
/clapThe ESO Forum Common Complaint Checklist: ☑
☐ Nerf/Buff Sorcerers.
☐ Nerf/Buff Nightblades.
☐ Nerf/Buff Dragonknights.
☐ Nerf/Buff Templars.
☐ THIS IS P2W!
☐ L2P n00b.
☐ Where is the LOL button??
☐ Fix PvP lag.
☐ LFG is full of scrubs.
☐ WHEN WILL YOU ADD CONSOLE TEXT CHAT?
☐ WHEN ARE ARENAS COMING?
☐ Natch Potes.
☐ Nerf Veteran Maelstrom Arena.
☐ Race Change ETA?
☐ Please add the Barber Shop!
☐ Why don't Trials scale?
☐ Working as intended.
☐ Why did you nerf/buff this?
☐ When will "thing" be added?0 -
Greiver✭✭✭I have np with nightblades i just don't get how can some of them pull off the absurd numbers.
I have a stamina and magicka NB, my stamblade has 4.1k weapon damage - yet i've never recalled hitting anyone for 10k+ with ambush or surprise attack from stealth. Yet i get hit that constantly, how much more damage can you stack to pull it off? And this is with maces/mauls, both dual weild and 2handed with sharpened+CP.
If your at 4.1k weapon damage you surprise attack should be hitting for 9-10k. From stealth, add in 10% more bonus.
Buffed up weapon damage for me I get just below 4k and mine hits for 9675 in the tooltip.Ps4 Na Daggerfall
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✭I dont mind the gank from stealth, its what NB should be known for.
I do not agree with the ability to cloak and disappear when they make a mistake. Cloaking should have the mount treatment, cannot do that in combat. If NB gonna gank, be sure he stays for the entire fight.
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gw2only1b14_ESO✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Im havin a hard time deciding if NBs are OP or not.
Seriously
What Im weighing is the game as a whole. PvP is not the only part of the game, so wouldn't a class great in PvP but poor in PvE be balanced? I dunno...
However when the majority of players are NBs, when my strong sorc and dk guldies decide to roll NBs to stay on top leader boards (you guys know us, 7 of top 10 in Azura's Star xbox),
... then I question it's balance.
I also realize the best counter to CC (the killer of players) is stamina, now logically if I want to live ("come with me" lol) i would then run the best stamina build possible... which NB is the first to mind (come on who thinks "stamina... templar that's the Best" or "DK that's just the end all for stamina" and no one thinks, "sorcerer stamina obv"
Wanna balance the game a bit more? Reduce the cost of CC break. Doesn't even have to be by much.
As far as the huge attacks. Now I only imagine the death recaps before the 50% damage reduction !
Last night was the first time I fought a player and thought to myself, "There is no hope of success here" and he was a sorc.
I do believe NBs are the most well created classes. Each ability can be used and well in a build. You cannot (my experience is in sorc) say that about Daedric summoning tree (and from what Ive read many templar abilities).
If the other classes had the same synergy between abilities I doubt we'd be havin this thread.
Nicely thought ou ,t so you'd say Nbs are atm The solid class thus your in the camp of Buff the other class to put them on par
Which a few others have mentioned and Zos (Brian Wheeler) should then mention if its on the books
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gw2only1b14_ESO✭✭✭BalticBlues wrote: »If you don't want to get 1 shot, build around surviving gankers
Didn't you read what we have posted in this thread?always funny to see people QQ about getting oneshotted with no health investment.
Half of your points in health + 7 pieces HA + massive resistance
= nothing helps against instagibs from invisibility
But NBs are the only ones that can generate this damage out of permanent invisibility.UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Nightblades are not the only ones that can give you one. 20k damage in less than a second
As you do not seem to understand how permanent invisibility + instagib damage is OP:
How would you feel about a Templar that could heal out of permanent invisibility?
Give each class permanent invisibily, and then let's see how this is a L2P issue.
Permanent invisibility needs to go, sorry. This god mode is killing the fun and the balance.
Templar can do everything out of permanent invisibility it's called clouding swarm. GG
lol so add it to NBs arsenal and its even better
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blur✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »Most people run around with 20k hp in Cyrodiil. New sets will come, cp cap will be increased this is only gonna get worse. Ambush + Surprise attack can be done in less than 1 second. 10k each and ive seen people hit harder. All this with 50% dmg reduction. Even if you survive that all it takes to kill you is fear + ult and you're good to go. So, any plans to nerf this class or you want to keep the easy mode in this game's pvp? I should just leave this game I don't have the time to lvl up a NB and laugh at everyone in pvp. This is not balance this is stupidity.
And please if all you want to do here is ''l2p scrub'' save your words. This class is taking away all the fun I had in this game. I wanna run around solo? get ambushed to death by 3 nb gankers. Wanna farm sewers? As soon as im low in health 3 nbs come to execute me, they fail? No problem just dissapear and wait until im low in health again.
I see a lot of people in Cyro with less than 20, in fact a lot have around 18k.
Ambush + SA barely break the under 1s. All skills have an internal GCD of .8s and you still need to finish the Ambush animation before you can hit with SA. Let's not forget every single class in the game is capable of pulling off a skill combo of 2 hard hitting skills in this amount of time. So spare us the "NB are OP" rhetoric, it's tiresome and flagrantly false. Also if you are even remotely geared both of these abilities (SA/Amb) will not be doing over 10k each. The only way you can even hit that hard is with sneak attack, empower, and a fully debuffed (major/minor fracture) player. Even then you are not guaranteed for both hitting over 10k. Dk's however can do damage like this outside of stealth with just heavy attacks. Stop whining.
I agree, you should leave this game. I will rejoice greatly knowing that a whining player who can't see beyond his myopic ignorance has left this game. One less fountain of misinformation to worry about polluting this game and trying to steer the devs toward their egregious bias.
You really have no idea wtf you are talking about and your bias is as obvious as a fart in the car.
So, you play a NB. Tell me more bro I want to learn.
I actually play a Templar and Stam Sorc.
NBs are not problem, ever.
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The problem with that is, nightblades who -don't- kill ith their surprise assault -only- have cloak to give them -any- chance to stay in any fight..NoMoreChillies wrote: »I dont mind the gank from stealth, its what NB should be known for.
I do not agree with the ability to cloak and disappear when they make a mistake. Cloaking should have the mount treatment, cannot do that in combat. If NB gonna gank, be sure he stays for the entire fight.
Right now NB's have low risk/high reward. Bring back the high risk.
At least that's my experience when I run mine through PvP... my fights usually go 25% "successful gank", and the rest "no insta kill, no chance" and if I get very lucky I manage to cloak and sneak away, perhaps to try again another time. But more often then not, I get to respawn instead.
And of course, magelight and caltrops will -really- ruin a gankhappy nightblades day...
Now, I am merely an mediocre PvPlayer, so I don't expect much from my PvPness... and prefer to tag along with bigger groups and play archer instead... but then, I also PvP on Sorc and Templar, so I know it from the other side as well.
And yeah, the "dead before you can fight back" sneak attack burst IS annoying when it happens. Heck, I find it annoying even when I manage to -do- it on my NB, I'd much rather have a decent fight then a quick kill; in fact, a good fight that I loose can be more fun then a surprise kill where the opponent can't even put up any resistance. Sadly, when any nightblade opponent does put up a fight... it usually ends badly for the nightblade.
And then there is the whole other side of the game... PvE, where bosses generally are immune to backstab stun, and have enough health to make the burst damage near immaterial as winning factor, and often will just grind a nightblade to dust where a equally levelled templars, dragonknights and sorcs nearly faceroll the fight.
So, the problem isn't one that can be solved by crying "nerf nightblades" over and over, it needs more thought then that.
But if they come up with something... I would agree that less ganking and more fighting on equal terms would make the game more fun!
Personally I wonder about min/maxxed builds... if stamina/magica was to give diminished returns, thus denying people that insane weapon damage which seems the driving force behind such quick kills and encourage more balanced builds... but I would have to try a bit to make any informed comment about the differences this'd make, so I can only speculate at this point...1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Quick: Name one class defining Nightblade skill that has been Nerfed into uselessness. Give up? I can name at least 2 for every other class. Here's something you might not have considered.
Maybe NB seems OP because the three other classes have been nerfed into Oblivion thanks to threads like this.
Calling for nerfs is just going to make NB less fun to play. Like the streak nerf did for sorcerer, the chains/dragonblood nerf did for DK, and the blazing shield nerf did for Templar.
Do you really want a stupid cooldown on cloak? As annoying and easymode as NBs are right now, nerfs are not the answer. Not ability nerfs anyways.
We need to strike at the root of the problem, which is the champion system that is encouraging this DPS stacking meta, lack of softcaps, and infinite resources. Again I must summon the insightful post written by @DeanTheCat that explains why we have seen so many "OP" abilities and calls for nerfs and how more nerfs won't fix the problem. Read that before you scream nerf.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/219283/the-root-of-the-problem-a-lack-of-limits/p1Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on December 12, 2015 10:47PM0 -
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gw2only1b14_ESO✭✭✭So I was running around out of stealth and ran in to a Sorc with full shields to my dismay he beat me down.... OP NERF please... I'm kidding of course the point is don't fight a sorc with his shields up out of stealth as a NB and expect to win. Same principle applies don't get caught with half health or shields down by a stealthing NB because your not going to win. Nightblades are meant to win fights when they catch you by surprise. PvP is not a solo game by nature unless perhaps you are a NB. In a 1v1 duel NB are by no means at an advantage to other classes if said player knows what he is doing. The outcome is usually decided by a slip up from one player or the other and or a lopsided CP match up. You call for a NB nerf but I can all but guarantee you that the best nightblade in this game absolutely under no circumstances can beat the best sorcerer in the game heads up. But if that same nightblade happens to catch the sorc with his shields down more than likely will kill him in about 1 second. Magicka Templars are not the best suited class to be running around the sewers solo but on the other hand a group with a Magicka Templar in it becomes a much much stronger group. In group play adding a Templar will improve the groups ability to win fights way more than the addition of a NB. Every class in the game cant be equally good at everything. If it was what would be the fun in race class selection. This is an MMO not a FPS part of the game is theory crafting and building toon to do something special it isn't 100% about who has the most skill with the exact same abilities. In fact traditionally MMOs are not about skill its a small part of the game. Strategy and theory craft supersede skill in MMOs. Granted ESO does have an interested combat system that brings a bit of skill and reaction time in to the equation but just try and remember what kind of a game you are playing before you call out OP NERF on everything. Think roleplaying game here for a second. I'm a magicka templar running around in cloth gear killing monsters by myself and over there is a skilled deadly assassin with 2 bloody daggers born and bred to kill people when they aren't expecting it. BOOM im dead he got me... what doesnt make sense about that? anyway im pretty lazy and i'm not up to going back and correcting this awful grammar and such so im sorry for having you trudge through this but I hope the points open people up to different points of view. In closing I just want to say that Im not calling anyone out here or throwing the L2P at ya just trying to offer a different angle.
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SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Im havin a hard time deciding if NBs are OP or not.
Seriously
What Im weighing is the game as a whole. PvP is not the only part of the game, so wouldn't a class great in PvP but poor in PvE be balanced? I dunno...
However when the majority of players are NBs, when my strong sorc and dk guldies decide to roll NBs to stay on top leader boards (you guys know us, 7 of top 10 in Azura's Star xbox),
... then I question it's balance.
I also realize the best counter to CC (the killer of players) is stamina, now logically if I want to live ("come with me" lol) i would then run the best stamina build possible... which NB is the first to mind (come on who thinks "stamina... templar that's the Best" or "DK that's just the end all for stamina" and no one thinks, "sorcerer stamina obv"
Wanna balance the game a bit more? Reduce the cost of CC break. Doesn't even have to be by much.
As far as the huge attacks. Now I only imagine the death recaps before the 50% damage reduction !
Last night was the first time I fought a player and thought to myself, "There is no hope of success here" and he was a sorc.
I do believe NBs are the most well created classes. Each ability can be used and well in a build. You cannot (my experience is in sorc) say that about Daedric summoning tree (and from what Ive read many templar abilities).
If the other classes had the same synergy between abilities I doubt we'd be havin this thread.
Nicely thought ou ,t so you'd say Nbs are atm The solid class thus your in the camp of Buff the other class to put them on par
Which a few others have mentioned and Zos (Brian Wheeler) should then mention if its on the books
Typical. 4 classes and only 1 is the balanced one all others are weak. It's doesn't make sense just nerf it.0 -
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✭✭✭even a Magicka NB does not have perma invis where Radiant Magelight is used. Also snaring said Magicka NB keeps them close enough to be pulled out of said invis with any form of AoE.
Yes of course, but I was referring to Magicka reserves being necessary to be able to maintain invisibility so long, effective or not lolEdited by UltimaJoe777 on December 12, 2015 10:56PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why am i seeing people in this thread act like Sorcs are somehow weak and underpowered?
Don't kid yourself people...Sorcs are just as lame and op as Nightblades are...
Both need a hefty nerf..or Templars/Dks need a buff
This is coming from someone who plays a Nightblade as well (Its just downright vastly superior in both stamina and magicka form to my DK)
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