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A Guide To Magicka Templar DPS (Bonus Healer Build)
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me_ming✭✭✭✭✭Hey guys just letting you know, I will be updating this very shortly with my Thieves Guild findings, you're going to like
Looking forward to it. Have this bookmarked. Woot!! Woot!! "We're heroes, my boon companion, and heroes always win! Let that be a lesson to you."
-Caldwell, "The Final Assault"
"There is always a choice. But you don't get to choose what is true, you only get to choose what you will do about it..."
-Abnur Tharn, "God of Schemes"]2 -
Tanis-Stormbinder✭✭✭✭✭Cool, can't wait till it's updated, it's a must read for all dps Templar's.0 -
Destyran✭✭✭✭✭I think he is trolling since temps are nerfed. I can tell by that joker emoticon haha0
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failkiwib16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think he is trolling since temps are nerfed. I can tell by that joker emoticon haha
exactly how did templar dps get nerfed? O.o0 -
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Look at patch notes. They hardcore nerfed BoL and tried to buff other usless things by 1% extra. The man loves his templar. I was just trolling. But most likely everyone will roll sorcs now. Templars been nerfed so much they are rage quitting stam NB bout to die magika dk could shine but will probably be heavy attack stam.failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »
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Look at patch notes. They hardcore nerfed BoL and tried to buff other usless things by 1% extra. The man loves his templar. I was just trolling. But most likely everyone will roll sorcs now. Templars been nerfed so much they are rage quitting stam NB bout to die magika dk could shine but will probably be heavy attack stam.failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »
This doesn't effect templar-dps. magplar-DPS got buffed quite a bit. I'm really excited for Nifty's build and the changes
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Look at patch notes. They hardcore nerfed BoL and tried to buff other usless things by 1% extra. The man loves his templar. I was just trolling. But most likely everyone will roll sorcs now. Templars been nerfed so much they are rage quitting stam NB bout to die magika dk could shine but will probably be heavy attack stam.failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »
This doesn't effect templar-dps. magplar-DPS got buffed quite a bit. I'm really excited for Nifty's build and the changes
Yeah because you have the ability to use both reading comprehension and common sense simultaneously xD
I seriously wish we had more like you hanging around here. ^5
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Wall of elements buff along with cp changes and dark flare buff is very nice
Look at patch notes. They hardcore nerfed BoL and tried to buff other usless things by 1% extra. The man loves his templar. I was just trolling. But most likely everyone will roll sorcs now. Templars been nerfed so much they are rage quitting stam NB bout to die magika dk could shine but will probably be heavy attack stam.failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »#MOREORBS1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭So anyway heres the rotation I'm thinking but again, I haven't completed the testing I'm just waiting to hear back from @Asayre on a bunch of things I needed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJZPdJiiTmQ
The problem is, you can proc kena with using Dark Flare only, it doesn't work with a maelstrom staff which puts a lot of the rotations I had in mind down a lot.
I'm still not sure 100% sure if using the maelstrom instead of swords is better and using it to proc a different skill but even then none of it will line up with how you want it to and you wont get full use of molag kena if you proc it with lets say vampires bane. And the weave damage gain with maelstrom staff seems little as it cant compare to a buffed and empowered dark flare in molag kena proc.
(This video was done without any buffs and with no cp allocated which is why damage is low, it's just to show rotation and timing)
However, I am expecting a nerf to happen to Dark Flare soon - This is without a lot of raid buffs
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✭So anyway heres the rotation I'm thinking but again, I haven't completed the testing I'm just waiting to hear back from @Asayre on a bunch of things I neededhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJZPdJiiTmQ
The problem is, you can proc kena with using Dark Flare only, it doesn't work with a maelstrom staff which puts a lot of the rotations I had in mind down a lot.
I'm still not sure 100% sure if using the maelstrom instead of swords is better and using it to proc a different skill but even then none of it will line up with how you want it to and you wont get full use of molag kena if you proc it with lets say vampires bane. And the weave damage gain with maelstrom staff seems little as it cant compare to a buffed and empowered dark flare in molag kena proc.
(This video was done without any buffs and with no cp allocated which is why damage is low, it's just to show rotation and timing)
However, I am expecting a nerf to happen to Dark Flare soon - This is without a lot of raid buffs
40k dmg crit on Dark Flare nice.....I'm worried they will take that right back....1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Hey guys just letting you know, I will be updating this very shortly with my Thieves Guild findings, you're going to like
So your using dark flare right? XD you could likely just spam this and get a 18k dps without trying... :P
E: Never looked at the second page
Edited by leepalmer95 on February 5, 2016 11:29PMPS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
Dread_Guy✭✭✭✭✭With the new updates, do you think our range combo could match a sorcs in pvp?
Sorc rotation - inevitable det -> vilacious curse -> crushing shock/proc frag -> disintergrate
Temp rotation - inevitable det -> unstable core -> dark flare -> empowered aurora javelin -> radiant oppression"My name is Julius Decimus Heraclius, Guildmaster of the Scions of the Sun, Brigadier of the Covenant Army, loyal servant to the High King Emeric. Brother to a betrayed legion, son to a fallen empire. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next." ---Julius Decimus Heraclius (Imperial Templar)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »With the new updates, do you think our range combo could match a sorcs in pvp?
Sorc rotation - inevitable det -> vilacious curse -> crushing shock/proc frag -> disintergrate
Temp rotation - inevitable det -> unstable core -> dark flare -> empowered aurora javelin -> radiant oppression
Sorc will always have more burst dps, but it looks like templars could try that route, but it seems your rely on a few skills that require charge times sadly.
det is ok, unstable core won't go off the same time as det. Dark flare won't hit the same time either.
For burst dmg you could try and go empowered meteor/ flare into toppling/spear and then radiant.
Or just dark flare twice into a spear/toppling.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »With the new updates, do you think our range combo could match a sorcs in pvp?
Sorc rotation - inevitable det -> vilacious curse -> crushing shock/proc frag -> disintergrate
Temp rotation - inevitable det -> unstable core -> dark flare -> empowered aurora javelin -> radiant oppression
Temp rotation ST-Dark Flare from stealth -> dark flare -> empowered aurora javelin -> radiant oppression = dead. imo
Temp rotation Multi target - Dark Flare from stealth on healer > inevitable det -> unstable core -> dark flare -> empowered aurora javelin -> radiant oppression. Maybe throw a jabs in there somewhere idk.
Edit: Really gonna need to play with it, wish I was on PTS right now...Edited by AfkNinja on February 5, 2016 11:49PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »With the new updates, do you think our range combo could match a sorcs in pvp?
Sorc rotation - inevitable det -> vilacious curse -> crushing shock/proc frag -> disintergrate
Temp rotation - inevitable det -> unstable core -> dark flare -> empowered aurora javelin -> radiant oppression
Temp rotation ST-Dark Flare from stealth -> dark flare -> empowered aurora javelin -> radiant oppression = dead. imo
Temp rotation Multi target - Dark Flare from stealth on healer > inevitable det -> unstable core -> dark flare -> empowered aurora javelin -> radiant oppression. Maybe throw a jabs in there somewhere idk.
Edit: Really gonna need to play with it, wish I was on PTS right now...
Dark flare and meteor are going to hit so hard... people don't understand xD
On my v5 templar i only have 33k magicka and 2k spell dmg and my dark flare tooltip is 12k without the empower.
Now when i'm v16 i should have around 3k - 3.5k spell dmg as well as 37k~ magicka, with the 16% dmg boost and an empower... MWuahaha.
Pretty sure i'll hit an 16k~ tooltip and then add empower.
PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just a quick fyi this is mainly for PvE my testings that is
though I don't mind if you guys talk about PvP rotations and such if you do mean PvE i don't think that rotation will be too viable though it sounds PvPish to me #MOREORBS0 -
Dread_Guy✭✭✭✭✭@leepalmer95 yeah, I didn't take into account of DF travel time
An empowered aurora javelin that can follow up right after a dark flare does sound appealing. Especially with it's mega range buff"My name is Julius Decimus Heraclius, Guildmaster of the Scions of the Sun, Brigadier of the Covenant Army, loyal servant to the High King Emeric. Brother to a betrayed legion, son to a fallen empire. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next." ---Julius Decimus Heraclius (Imperial Templar)0 -
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Was sort of a waste of time to cast vamp bane for a short fight like that, i'd only use it for very long fights anything over a minute #MOREORBS0 -
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Was sort of a waste of time to cast vamp bane for a short fight like that, i'd only use it for very long fights anything over a minute
Great to hear, this skill is really getting usefull for us.Noobplar0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I think Templars right now are pulling the highest single target DPS when done right, but the downside is our AoE is lacking. I'm thinking of just using Fire Ring for AoE instead of shardsEdited by Nifty2g on February 6, 2016 9:36AM#MOREORBS0 -
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✭✭I think Templars right now are pulling the highest single target DPS when done right, but the downside is our AoE is lacking. I'm thinking of just using Fire Ring for AoE instead of shards
yep, combined with Wall of Elements and Magicka Detonation this should give us some nice AoE and far better sustain than solar barrage-spam. But in the end it will be lowest AoE-DPS...bc every class can do this better.Noobplar0 -
Holy-Dope✭✭✭Hey Nifty,
Mag-Templar is my 1st love when it comes to DPS and really nice post you have given here. However i've a fe observations-II. Champion SystemFor the 501 Cap the Champion System right now is very linear in what you should have your points in to for the The Mage and The Thief constellations, I will leave the Warrior constellation out of this as that is totally player preference and changes for a lot of content.
The Mage Constellation – 167 Champion Points
Thaumaturge: Seeing as the Templar tooltip is all Magic Damage you should put 100 points into this to increase your Magic Damage by 25% -The new proposed chnage in CP will be irrelevant to this. We need to put our points in Elemental expert which in addition to Elemental Damage, now will boost mag damage as well. And Thermaturge will be boosting DOT damage which in case of templar is not that wonder full so I'd rather put balance points in to elfborn as you suggested. However another advantage of this change will be that Burning light procs will be hitting 25% harde as they get the boost form this CP element.
Elfborn: Currently how Elfborn works the best split to be doing would be to put 66 points into this to get your highest increase.
Spell Erosion: Most of your Spell Penetration is coming from Light Armor and Dual Swords (Nirnhoned) so putting 1 point into this to increase it by 1% will give you more of an increase than putting 67 points into Elfborn.
The Thief Constellation – 167 Champion Points
Arcanist: There is currently no Diminishing Return value for Magicka Recovery, your best bet would be to max this out before maxing out your Reduced Spell Cost, so putting 100 points into this increasing recovery by 25% would be the best thing to.
Magician: Putting your remaining 67 Points in this would give you the most beneficial sustain for the current Champion Point Cap
III. Mundus Stones and Trait StonesThere are 5 Mundus Stones in which you should consider running, Apprentice, The Mage, The Shadow, The Thief and The Atronach the first 4 are your main Mundus Stones that will give you the biggest damage boost, you should use The Atronach when you are providing any healing for Dungeons or Trials. Out of the 4 main damaging Mundus Stones the strongest which will give you the biggest overall damage boost would be the Thief, however if you are deciding to use Twice Born Star you will need to use both The Thief and The Shadow.
In terms of what Trait you should be using on your gear, there are 2 choices to be doing the most damage; Divines and Infused, currently using 7 Divine Traits will give you the biggest damage boost when using The Thief or The Thief and Shadow. If you are using The Atronach I would suggest using 7 Infused as the extra Regeneration really isn’t worth it.
{ in my opinion if your crit is appx 55% and above then Magica templar skills are best used with as much max mag we can however this brings the problem of sustain in long fights. I run 3 spell damage on jewelery enchant with atronach to avoid mag sustain issue which is the case whenever i switch to thief/ shadow or apprentice. It might be interesting to know if loosing 1 enchant to reduced cost vs thief/ shadow/ apprentice would be better.
The Thief: Increases Critical Hit Chance by 11%, 16.775% with 7 Legendary Divine Traits.
The Mage: Increases Maximum Magicka by 1280, 1952 with 7 Legendary Divine Traits.
The Shadow: Increases your Critical Hit Damage by 12%, 18.3% with 7 Legendary Divine Traits.
The Apprentice: Increases Spell Damage by 166, 213 with 7 Legendary Divine Traits.
The Atronach: Increases Magicka Regeneration by 210, 320 with 7 Legendary Divine Traits.
Now as far as the gear goes, i dont think there is any further options left than what you have already posted. I'm really excited for the next patch and see how templars fair in DPS race as the other classes did got a boost as compared to templar.Edited by Holy-Dope on February 6, 2016 10:36AMDC- Holy DOPE, Altmer Nightblade
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✭✭✭✭✭Julianos and 2x Kena would be the best choice and as for race it's going to be between Altmer and Dunmer - Breton would not be on the list anymore#MOREORBS0
