So how do you defeat a Sorcerer as a Templar?

eliisra

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Watch @blabafat .. Do as he does

You mean only fight PvE heroes, pokemon masters, low ranks, zerglings and other clueless that cant back themselves up?

No offence to him, he's an amazingly good templar. But like in any 1vX video he goes exclusively for milkdrinkers, lures them into some choke and sweeps them to death, with a nicely placed Meteor on top and they just kinda stand there. But the point is, you will never see him or any other templar fight a good sorc and killing it open world. Because cant. Same as how a magicka DK cant. You dont have the tools or skills to keep up, when the sorc kites and disengages.

It's kinda like saying that NB's are easy kills for templars, because you kill Lethal Arrow point blank spamming Khajiits with 50 CP. Not considering other factors, like how you face roll newbies.

With any discussions like this, I'm assuming it's about fighting players(in this case sorc's) that knows how to play their class well. That has adequate gear, min/maxed build and enough CP for important signs. Good templars can obviously beat mediocre sorcs.

blabafat

eliisra wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Watch @blabafat .. Do as he does

You mean only fight PvE heroes, pokemon masters, low ranks, zerglings and other clueless that cant back themselves up?

No offence to him, he's an amazingly good templar. But like in any 1vX video he goes exclusively for milkdrinkers, lures them into some choke and sweeps them to death, with a nicely placed Meteor on top and they just kinda stand there. But the point is, you will never see him or any other templar fight a good sorc and killing it open world. Because cant. Same as how a magicka DK cant. You dont have the tools or skills to keep up, when the sorc kites and disengages.

It's kinda like saying that NB's are easy kills for templars, because you kill Lethal Arrow point blank spamming Khajiits with 50 CP. Not considering other factors, like how you face roll newbies.

With any discussions like this, I'm assuming it's about fighting players(in this case sorc's) that knows how to play their class well. That has adequate gear, min/maxed build and enough CP for important signs. Good templars can obviously beat mediocre sorcs.

I kill plenty of sorcs. Both in open world(which are mainly mediocre) and in duels(which can be mediocre or really good).

Ezareth

zornyan wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Keep Eclipse up to drain them of stam and protect you from damage.
Purify off the crystal fragments when they're cast at you (they wont hit you) as well as curse if needed.
Run Sword and Board with defensive posture.
Use a dodge roll when needed when they aren't eclipsed.

LoS will also make you unkillable as a sorc must use bolt escape constantly to keep up with you as you run around a tree etc.

You can easily become unkillable by a great sorc with a defensively played magicka templar but you will never kill a great sorc without some great stroke of luck or him messing up and overloading his face off when you eclipse him. I can't recall ever being killed by a magicka templar without some sort of bug affecting me.

Pretty much this.

I always keep defensive posture up (dw and sword and board magicka templar) I don't use eclipse as the cc immunity is pretty usless and it's not too reliable as a skill.

Defensive posture also works on some other handy skills too, and ultimates like meteor.

Keep harness magicka up.

That's it really, you'll never burst a sorc down As a magicka build hardened + harness can get some 18-20k worth of shields.

Never put down that much damage, then get through the minimum 20k odd hp in a couple of seconds as templars have no burst damage.

Just stay defensive and hope they haven't got friends on the way, or you have, or they get bored or make a huge mistake.

Otherwise just ignore them.

Eclipse is the one ability that you have that will save you from a sorc like me. The Templars I can't kill are the ones running eclipse because you can't purify overload and I also run reflect and defensive rune. You could survive by playing the run around the tree game but that isn't always a sure thing either there could be a 15-17.5K overload crit around the corner with a defensive rune/defensive stance double proc in the mix.

With the right combination of dodge rolling and BoL spam you can also survive long enough to run me out of ult but I wouldn't advise doing anything that could proc my defensive rune.

I've fought over lol sorcs before, I just make sure to play defensively.

It's hard to make bar space too, just too limited. Out of 10 slots
Bar one
inner light
1 structured entropy on dw bar
Puncturing sweeps
Toppling charge or dark flare or javelim
Breath of life

Ulti bat swarm

Second bar

Mist form
Inner light
Defensive posture
Channeled focus
Purifying ritual

Ulti meteor or dawnbreaker or soul assault depending on what I'm doing and where I am

Giving up dark flare or toppling charge would literially give me no other offensive move other than sweeps, I'm also them left without any sort of CC / knockdown

You could swap out inner light for vamps bane.
It gives the same spell crit, provides a quick cheap way to gain minor spell power buff, helps generate ulti.

Downside you lose the +% increase mag inner light provides. And mage guild regen/max mag passives.

But it would free up an extra slot for eclipse and add a DOT to help with shields.

I could, but as said it's hard to give up 7% magicks and 2% regen, sometimes I used radiant too since I run vamp to help against insta gib gankers.

Not too keen on vamps bane, prefer dark flare for the 35% healing debuff.

@Ezareth kinda , but for reasons stated above its what generally has worked for me, and as said sometimes I need radiant too.

It's a shame bar space is so Damm tight , I would use other skills but it's hard to justify some buggy/messy skills .

Only other spammable dps skill I like is trapping webs, better damage than vampire's vane with the snare effect.

Yea its tough.

Dark flare hard to give up too.

Trapping webs is a good snare and decent dps.
But its magicka cost is so ugly. With the wrong stats you could go OOM too fast when vamps bane is less than 2k.

True, although I never have sustain issues with my new build, 1700 buffed regen + channeled focus my magicka pool never drops low enough to even need a pot, only ever use pots in Vma when doing boss fights to keep up pressure nowdays.

That's the biggest templar issue, some of our skills are great (when they work ) and the rest are just plain terrible.

Why can't eclipse work like dk scales? And just stay as a spell only reflect?

Why does every single one of our bloody skills give cc immunity.

Another issue brought to lighr, dark flare, why is the first cast of this skill a longer cast time at approx 1.5-1.8 seconds? Then subsequent others are 1.1 as tooltip states.

Fighting a DK spamming wings is already bad enough as a Sorc. Eclipse at least you have to CC break and then you have until your CC immunity is up to try and burst down the Templar. Not easy at all.

If Sorcs had a spammable non projectile ability that did actual damage it'd be a different story.

I'm surprised any templars like Dark Flare tbh. I kill the majority of my Templars that cast that by reflecting it and then overloading them in the stun.

Yes that's my point, eclipse is easily negated. It should work like reflective scales and be more of a useful tool, not to mention the whole single target crap is annoying.

If im 1vx it's hard to try and use it since so many people are spamming skills, where as at least defensive posture means I'm guaranteed to reflect and knockback.

I've also fought sorcs thst just other skills and ignore eclipse and let it run its duration, didn't effect them at all.

Dark flare is ....situational, for instance I often use it as my opening rotation

Dark flare
Javelim (if on bar)
Toppling charge
Sweeps

Due to the crap travel time of dark flare it normally lands just as sweeps is hitting, do can be useful then.

Or if you get the odd chance to throw it whilst CC ING for a good hit, dark flare can hit very hard, but the heal debuff is too important.

I think we can agree, magicka sorc or any magicka v magicka build using harness is essentially endless between two good players. If neither make a mistake there won't ever be a winner.

Eclipse is a guaranteed stamina break or a reprieve from damage being done to you. A sorc that lets it run out doesn't get CC immunity from it and it basically does no damage during that time.

I don't have issues with Templars spamming harness usually but DKs with that and reflect are problematic since it slows down my damage rotation. I can burst through most shields or run the player out of magicka before I run out of ult.

timidobserver

Run-out their stam, get their shields down as far as you can manage without them recasting, time an eclipse to reflect a frag, and then immediately drop your whole burst behind the reflected frag.

Peel_Ya_Cap_517

I know I've been killed by those stabbing spears more than once.. lol

ScooberSteve

Toppling charge - twin strikes - biting jabs until dead.

Joy_Division

You aren't going to kill sorcs who knows what they are doing and are not stupid aggressive.

Harness blocks your damage, jabs doesn't get bonus damage against their shields, they will streak away and you don't have the mobility to chase.

ScooberSteve

Toppling charge stuns and their shields are broken by the time they get back up. If they streak toppling charge again

Bashev

Best answer is: ignore them if you can.

Killing a magicka sorc as a magicka templar or magicka DK now is like magicka Sorc killing a magicka DK in 1.5.

ScooberSteve

Has anyone tried shieldbreaker set against sorcs?

SemiD4rkness

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Has anyone tried shieldbreaker set against sorcs?

No why would anybody do that....

Alucardo

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Has anyone tried shieldbreaker set against sorcs?

I stopped using it. It's not worth the hateful whispers afterwards. One guy said he was going to kill my cat. It's just getting too risky.

SemiD4rkness

Alucardo wrote: »

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Has anyone tried shieldbreaker set against sorcs?

I stopped using it. It's not worth the hateful whispers afterwards. One guy said he was going to kill my cat. It's just getting too risky.

You serious? Not the cat part lol

Ashamray

Alucardo wrote: »

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Has anyone tried shieldbreaker set against sorcs?

I stopped using it. It's not worth the hateful whispers afterwards. One guy said he was going to kill my cat. It's just getting too risky.

Why did you say him you have a cat?

Master_Kas

Spam BOL until your friends arrive xDD

Akinos

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Toppling charge stuns and their shields are broken by the time they get back up. If they streak toppling charge again

That's IF toppling charge doesn't bug out and leave you unable to attack for 3 seconds.

ScooberSteve

Yes it does but its all i got.

WillhelmBlack

Be at least 10 x better than them.

david31741

It's usually a draw with evenly matched Magicka based sorc/temp - but that dark bubble thing really effs up a sorcs day and if you time it right, you can win.

From my experience - having had many 1v1's with my Magicka Temp against some of the best solo Magicka Sorcs... the Templar has the advantage if they have eclipse loaded on their bar. The Sorc does not have a chance of killing a well played/evenly geared solo PvP Temp.

If a Temp doesn't have eclipse on the bar - its a draw as Temp doesn't have enough burst to take a Sorc - nor can a Sorc do enough burst to kill a temp - unless the skill/gear match-up is not equal or a mistake is made - it is a long ass boring fight.

Minno

Akinos wrote: »

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Toppling charge stuns and their shields are broken by the time they get back up. If they streak toppling charge again

That's IF toppling charge doesn't bug out and leave you unable to attack for 3 seconds.

Classic ZOS troll lol

Darlgon

My first thought?



Glad some others have something constructive...

AfkNinja

david31741 wrote: »

It's usually a draw with evenly matched Magicka based sorc/temp - but that dark bubble thing really effs up a sorcs day and if you time it right, you can win.

From my experience - having had many 1v1's with my Magicka Temp against some of the best solo Magicka Sorcs... the Templar has the advantage if they have eclipse loaded on their bar. The Sorc does not have a chance of killing a well played/evenly geared solo PvP Temp.

If a Temp doesn't have eclipse on the bar - its a draw as Temp doesn't have enough burst to take a Sorc - nor can a Sorc do enough burst to kill a temp - unless the skill/gear match-up is not equal or a mistake is made - it is a long ass boring fight.

Correct me if I am wrong but can't you use Defensive Stance from 1 hand/shield to counter Eclipse? Skills can only reflect 2 times yes? This means if he hits you with Eclipse you have two options: Use Defensive stance to reflect the attack a second time for huge bonus dmg, or just CC break the Eclipse. Either way the best a Temp can hope for is a draw, as soon as the sorc gets bored he'll just streak away.

Minno

AfkNinja wrote: »

david31741 wrote: »

It's usually a draw with evenly matched Magicka based sorc/temp - but that dark bubble thing really effs up a sorcs day and if you time it right, you can win.

From my experience - having had many 1v1's with my Magicka Temp against some of the best solo Magicka Sorcs... the Templar has the advantage if they have eclipse loaded on their bar. The Sorc does not have a chance of killing a well played/evenly geared solo PvP Temp.

If a Temp doesn't have eclipse on the bar - its a draw as Temp doesn't have enough burst to take a Sorc - nor can a Sorc do enough burst to kill a temp - unless the skill/gear match-up is not equal or a mistake is made - it is a long ass boring fight.

Correct me if I am wrong but can't you use Defensive Stance from 1 hand/shield to counter Eclipse? Skills can only reflect 2 times yes? This means if he hits you with Eclipse you have two options: Use Defensive stance to reflect the attack a second time for huge bonus dmg, or just CC break the Eclipse. Either way the best a Temp can hope for is a draw, as soon as the sorc gets bored he'll just streak away.

That's assuming a sorc has room on their bar for that skill.
Also a templars main dps will likely be jabs/sweeps. It's not reflectable.

david31741

AfkNinja wrote: »

david31741 wrote: »

It's usually a draw with evenly matched Magicka based sorc/temp - but that dark bubble thing really effs up a sorcs day and if you time it right, you can win.

From my experience - having had many 1v1's with my Magicka Temp against some of the best solo Magicka Sorcs... the Templar has the advantage if they have eclipse loaded on their bar. The Sorc does not have a chance of killing a well played/evenly geared solo PvP Temp.

If a Temp doesn't have eclipse on the bar - its a draw as Temp doesn't have enough burst to take a Sorc - nor can a Sorc do enough burst to kill a temp - unless the skill/gear match-up is not equal or a mistake is made - it is a long ass boring fight.

Correct me if I am wrong but can't you use Defensive Stance from 1 hand/shield to counter Eclipse? Skills can only reflect 2 times yes? This means if he hits you with Eclipse you have two options: Use Defensive stance to reflect the attack a second time for huge bonus dmg, or just CC break the Eclipse. Either way the best a Temp can hope for is a draw, as soon as the sorc gets bored he'll just streak away.

I'm not sure about the second reflect - I don't use DS on my templar and I've never ran into a magicka sorc that countered my eclipse with defensive stance - I usually don't even bother with eclipse on my bar unless I know a 1v1 sorc is around - if it is a bolting sorc - I don't bother . I don't duel - so I've never encountered that in 1v1 world pvp.

I mostly crush 1v1 sorcs cause they don't expect a templar with 1v1 setup coming at them and they don't refresh their shields soon enough...or they are newer/low rank and don't have the stamina or mana regen they need for a prolonged fight. The good pvp sorcs will do just as you say - it will be a draw - the only exception being that if I have eclipse on my bar and time it right, they are dead. If I don't time it right... now they know eclipse is loaded and will 99% of the time bolt off.

Another note is that while a sorc can streak off - a good templar can stay on top of a bolting sorc for quite a while - if the lag gods are with him. Streaking due to being hurt/low resources will get a Sorc killed too - but when I say bolting sorcs - I mean the Sorcs who bolt when their shield is at 75% The ones that really don't want a match or are overly cautious players who really really hate dying.

From my perspective - I say Temp has the advantage because a high burst dps sorc can't have the stamina regen they need to "break free" of eclipses and deal with jabs - if the sorc stays around to fight an evenly geared/skilled temp with eclipse on the bar - they will eventually die unless the temp plays too close to the edge or makes a mistake.

But in the real world a solo templar isn't going to run around with eclipse loaded IMO as it is way too situation. Most load it up at keep fights to suppress an annoying caster on the wall/ground.

Maybe Sorcs that duel can give more insight on that matchup - but I'm doubting there are any good players dueling as a Magicka templars these days as a Magicka templar just can't match up to other templates n duels.

Ezareth

AfkNinja wrote: »

david31741 wrote: »

It's usually a draw with evenly matched Magicka based sorc/temp - but that dark bubble thing really effs up a sorcs day and if you time it right, you can win.

From my experience - having had many 1v1's with my Magicka Temp against some of the best solo Magicka Sorcs... the Templar has the advantage if they have eclipse loaded on their bar. The Sorc does not have a chance of killing a well played/evenly geared solo PvP Temp.

If a Temp doesn't have eclipse on the bar - its a draw as Temp doesn't have enough burst to take a Sorc - nor can a Sorc do enough burst to kill a temp - unless the skill/gear match-up is not equal or a mistake is made - it is a long ass boring fight.

Correct me if I am wrong but can't you use Defensive Stance from 1 hand/shield to counter Eclipse? Skills can only reflect 2 times yes? This means if he hits you with Eclipse you have two options: Use Defensive stance to reflect the attack a second time for huge bonus dmg, or just CC break the Eclipse. Either way the best a Temp can hope for is a draw, as soon as the sorc gets bored he'll just streak away.

If a sorc is using defensive posture against a good magicka user the magicka user will constantly be light attacking him with a staff to remove the proc. The best magicka users will time that with reflected projectiles so they can't be double-reflected.

I'm telling you guys (even though I shouldn't be) if you're having problems with sorcs, run eclipse. It's damn near as effective against them as DK wings....more effective in some ways.

Minno wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

david31741 wrote: »

It's usually a draw with evenly matched Magicka based sorc/temp - but that dark bubble thing really effs up a sorcs day and if you time it right, you can win.

From my experience - having had many 1v1's with my Magicka Temp against some of the best solo Magicka Sorcs... the Templar has the advantage if they have eclipse loaded on their bar. The Sorc does not have a chance of killing a well played/evenly geared solo PvP Temp.

If a Temp doesn't have eclipse on the bar - its a draw as Temp doesn't have enough burst to take a Sorc - nor can a Sorc do enough burst to kill a temp - unless the skill/gear match-up is not equal or a mistake is made - it is a long ass boring fight.

Correct me if I am wrong but can't you use Defensive Stance from 1 hand/shield to counter Eclipse? Skills can only reflect 2 times yes? This means if he hits you with Eclipse you have two options: Use Defensive stance to reflect the attack a second time for huge bonus dmg, or just CC break the Eclipse. Either way the best a Temp can hope for is a draw, as soon as the sorc gets bored he'll just streak away.

That's assuming a sorc has room on their bar for that skill.
Also a templars main dps will likely be jabs/sweeps. It's not reflectable.

I love jabs from templars. Channelled ability attacking me instead of spamming BoL/Roll dodge while I'm hurling 15-17K criting balls of lightning with a 64% crit rate? Yes please!

david31741 wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

david31741 wrote: »

It's usually a draw with evenly matched Magicka based sorc/temp - but that dark bubble thing really effs up a sorcs day and if you time it right, you can win.

From my experience - having had many 1v1's with my Magicka Temp against some of the best solo Magicka Sorcs... the Templar has the advantage if they have eclipse loaded on their bar. The Sorc does not have a chance of killing a well played/evenly geared solo PvP Temp.

If a Temp doesn't have eclipse on the bar - its a draw as Temp doesn't have enough burst to take a Sorc - nor can a Sorc do enough burst to kill a temp - unless the skill/gear match-up is not equal or a mistake is made - it is a long ass boring fight.

From my perspective - I say Temp has the advantage because a high burst dps sorc can't have the stamina regen they need to "break free" of eclipses and deal with jabs - if the sorc stays around to fight an evenly geared/skilled temp with eclipse on the bar - they will eventually die unless the temp plays too close to the edge or makes a mistake.

Players like you are exactly why I run both defensive posture and have stamina regen gear...because what you say is true.

Minno

Ezareth wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

david31741 wrote: »

It's usually a draw with evenly matched Magicka based sorc/temp - but that dark bubble thing really effs up a sorcs day and if you time it right, you can win.

From my experience - having had many 1v1's with my Magicka Temp against some of the best solo Magicka Sorcs... the Templar has the advantage if they have eclipse loaded on their bar. The Sorc does not have a chance of killing a well played/evenly geared solo PvP Temp.

If a Temp doesn't have eclipse on the bar - its a draw as Temp doesn't have enough burst to take a Sorc - nor can a Sorc do enough burst to kill a temp - unless the skill/gear match-up is not equal or a mistake is made - it is a long ass boring fight.

Correct me if I am wrong but can't you use Defensive Stance from 1 hand/shield to counter Eclipse? Skills can only reflect 2 times yes? This means if he hits you with Eclipse you have two options: Use Defensive stance to reflect the attack a second time for huge bonus dmg, or just CC break the Eclipse. Either way the best a Temp can hope for is a draw, as soon as the sorc gets bored he'll just streak away.

If a sorc is using defensive posture against a good magicka user the magicka user will constantly be light attacking him with a staff to remove the proc. The best magicka users will time that with reflected projectiles so they can't be double-reflected.

I'm telling you guys (even though I shouldn't be) if you're having problems with sorcs, run eclipse. It's damn near as effective against them as DK wings....more effective in some ways.

Minno wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

david31741 wrote: »

It's usually a draw with evenly matched Magicka based sorc/temp - but that dark bubble thing really effs up a sorcs day and if you time it right, you can win.

From my experience - having had many 1v1's with my Magicka Temp against some of the best solo Magicka Sorcs... the Templar has the advantage if they have eclipse loaded on their bar. The Sorc does not have a chance of killing a well played/evenly geared solo PvP Temp.

If a Temp doesn't have eclipse on the bar - its a draw as Temp doesn't have enough burst to take a Sorc - nor can a Sorc do enough burst to kill a temp - unless the skill/gear match-up is not equal or a mistake is made - it is a long ass boring fight.

Correct me if I am wrong but can't you use Defensive Stance from 1 hand/shield to counter Eclipse? Skills can only reflect 2 times yes? This means if he hits you with Eclipse you have two options: Use Defensive stance to reflect the attack a second time for huge bonus dmg, or just CC break the Eclipse. Either way the best a Temp can hope for is a draw, as soon as the sorc gets bored he'll just streak away.

That's assuming a sorc has room on their bar for that skill.
Also a templars main dps will likely be jabs/sweeps. It's not reflectable.

I love jabs from templars. Channelled ability attacking me instead of spamming BoL/Roll dodge while I'm hurling 15-17K criting balls of lightning with a 64% crit rate? Yes please!

david31741 wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

david31741 wrote: »

It's usually a draw with evenly matched Magicka based sorc/temp - but that dark bubble thing really effs up a sorcs day and if you time it right, you can win.

From my experience - having had many 1v1's with my Magicka Temp against some of the best solo Magicka Sorcs... the Templar has the advantage if they have eclipse loaded on their bar. The Sorc does not have a chance of killing a well played/evenly geared solo PvP Temp.

If a Temp doesn't have eclipse on the bar - its a draw as Temp doesn't have enough burst to take a Sorc - nor can a Sorc do enough burst to kill a temp - unless the skill/gear match-up is not equal or a mistake is made - it is a long ass boring fight.

From my perspective - I say Temp has the advantage because a high burst dps sorc can't have the stamina regen they need to "break free" of eclipses and deal with jabs - if the sorc stays around to fight an evenly geared/skilled temp with eclipse on the bar - they will eventually die unless the temp plays too close to the edge or makes a mistake.

Players like you are exactly why I run both defensive posture and have stamina regen gear...because what you say is true.

Ah yes those crits. Are those numbers against paper-armor targets with no impen numbers/elemental resistance?

Jest aside, yea it sucks jabs is channeled and I want to use another magicka ability that's cheaper than 2k per cast, but sadly not viable for this Templar lol.

david31741

Dark Flare and RD are very viable alternatives and were on my pvp back bar - if I had a Maelstorm Destro staff I would most certainly take my templar out of retirement and give a non-jabs Magika Templar a go.

I don't think I've killed anyone with just that combo since pre 2.0 - but with some destro support I think it might work again.

Joy_Division

I dunno.

Some of the supposed go to advice given in this thread is not exactly reliable.

If you rely on eclipse as your anti-sorc tool, it is going to fail you as often as it works. If you hit a sorcerer with eclipse, when they break it, they now have CC immunity where you are now completely exposed to any attack from a sorcerer. If you mistime the next cast and the sorc still has CC immunity (the white circles are not easy to see with all the eye candy in this game, especially if the sorc is using lightning form) or is even blocking, you just wasted a global cooldown and are still exposed. I do *not* recommend relying on this skill in a defensive fashion at all because of these defects, to say nothing of the possibility you might have another magic opponent to deal with and eclipse now is totally useless. A templar using eclipse will not can cannot consistently rely on it as a defensive tool which means in the long run, you are going to lose to that sorcerer because it will fail at some point. I use the skill, but I do so offensively and consider any reflects as icing on the cake.

Defensive posture is a superior defensive option by far, but if you are a magic templar, spamming this isn't exactly conducive to maintaining your stamina pool - and if you get fragged, you will probably die if you don't have the stamina to break it. Good sorcerers have learned long ago how to deal with reflect.

Even if you nail the defensive part down, you still have to deal with a sorcerer's shields and your class has little and very awkward burst. If she uses harness you are totally screwed. As it is, hardened ward is a beast and you lose are losing your bonus to jab damage because of a stupid bug. Your best burst is to get eclipse, meteor, and toppling charge to hit at the same time. If the sorc isn't blocking and you get the stun and DoT damage, that may be enough. Timing isn't easy and throwing prox det is ideal but makes it harder.

The templar can't afford to make a mistake.

TheBull

A good sorc vs a good magicka templar could go well over 20 mins. The temp just can't break the shields.

DannyLV702

You don't...........