So how do you defeat a Sorcerer as a Templar?

Minno

driosketch wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Edgar_Baerland wrote: »

@Ezareth I love the insight from your perspective on this thread.

I'm a longtime Temp, I think you're spot on. I've done a lot of dueling and pvp (though I'm far from being what I would consider top tier) and I haven't stopped running Eclipse on my bar for a long, long time. It's just so useful when timed right vs sorcs, its basically your one tool to beat them. It's also INSANELY useful for double-reflecting meteors and dark flares and what have you back at DK's who put up scales. Also, some NB's don't realize it reflects their magicka skills back at them and they kill themselves.

Also there's no better feeling than killing a sorc with his own overload or crit frag. I said it on another thread earlier today, I think Eclipse is the most class-defining skill Templars have. I also think it shouldn't be CC-breakable, but that's a whole different basket of oranges.

When I beat sorcs, it's because I'm patient, manage my resources, and time my eclipses well. It basically (like you said) comes down to him running out of stamina. Every time I lose, it's when I'm rushing the fight, or if he takes me completely by surprise and I can't recover resource wise.

I actually really enjoy the sorc vs temp battles. I think they're tactical and fun. NB battles are usually either A.) he shanked me to death before I could recover or during a fear I cant CC break out of (dear god does fear last forever) or B.) I healtank out of his burst and keep enough stamina to not get feared and I grind him down. or C.) I survive his burst and start killing him and he stealths away and leaves me alone.

Anyway. Great posts Ez.

I would actually use Eclipse if it wasn't treated as a cc. The fact that it is treated as a cc means I can't use the skill if someone tossed any weak 'hard' cc on the Sorc. Additionally, the Sorc can very easily break the cc and carry on with plenty more overload shots at you. They hard counter your Eclipse skill, and you can't refire it back. I think its preposterous to say Eclipse is good in its current state. I think Eclipse has always had POTENTIAL to be class defining and good, but it has literally never met the mark of its intent. Personally, I'd much rather hit them with a defensive posture, and dodge roll if the sorc has to bounce it back. At least in this scenario I can rely on the skill and its enhancing my survivability in a moderate fashion.

Remember eclipse is only a cc immunity if your opponent can break it free or effect fades. Otherwise you can pair it with a proper cc since it will still knock them down with a bubble around them.

While true, it also kind of wastes the reflective potential of Eclipse's limited time since they aren't firing spells at you while stunned.

Correct. It's loses its potential in that combo.
Just wanted to highlight that it was possible to CC

Cinnamon_Spider

I won a duel against a good magicka Sorcerer with my magicka Templar last night.

I built for high regen (2500 magic and 1600 stam), so I was able to break free when he used streak and I was able to keep Defensive Stance up 100% of the time.

Purified most of his attacks, reflected the others, and then beamed when he got his own shields/health down.

This was just with my normal small group setup. If I had been planning to duel, I would have gotten points into different ultimates and changed a few skills out.

Ezareth

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Edgar_Baerland wrote: »

@Ezareth I love the insight from your perspective on this thread.

I'm a longtime Temp, I think you're spot on. I've done a lot of dueling and pvp (though I'm far from being what I would consider top tier) and I haven't stopped running Eclipse on my bar for a long, long time. It's just so useful when timed right vs sorcs, its basically your one tool to beat them. It's also INSANELY useful for double-reflecting meteors and dark flares and what have you back at DK's who put up scales. Also, some NB's don't realize it reflects their magicka skills back at them and they kill themselves.

Also there's no better feeling than killing a sorc with his own overload or crit frag. I said it on another thread earlier today, I think Eclipse is the most class-defining skill Templars have. I also think it shouldn't be CC-breakable, but that's a whole different basket of oranges.

When I beat sorcs, it's because I'm patient, manage my resources, and time my eclipses well. It basically (like you said) comes down to him running out of stamina. Every time I lose, it's when I'm rushing the fight, or if he takes me completely by surprise and I can't recover resource wise.

I actually really enjoy the sorc vs temp battles. I think they're tactical and fun. NB battles are usually either A.) he shanked me to death before I could recover or during a fear I cant CC break out of (dear god does fear last forever) or B.) I healtank out of his burst and keep enough stamina to not get feared and I grind him down. or C.) I survive his burst and start killing him and he stealths away and leaves me alone.

Anyway. Great posts Ez.

I would actually use Eclipse if it wasn't treated as a cc. The fact that it is treated as a cc means I can't use the skill if someone tossed any weak 'hard' cc on the Sorc. Additionally, the Sorc can very easily break the cc and carry on with plenty more overload shots at you. They hard counter your Eclipse skill, and you can't refire it back. I think its preposterous to say Eclipse is good in its current state. I think Eclipse has always had POTENTIAL to be class defining and good, but it has literally never met the mark of its intent. Personally, I'd much rather hit them with a defensive posture, and dodge roll if the sorc has to bounce it back. At least in this scenario I can rely on the skill and its enhancing my survivability in a moderate fashion.

The whole idea of eclipse is to break the cadence of the sorc attacking you (or an ally). If he is in overload he will almost always hit himself with at least one overload before breaking the eclispe which will force him to recast his shield (or if he uses defensive stance, pop out of overload and recast it).

The final piece to this that you must consider is if a sorc has no stamina he *cant* break free of eclipse and unlike most knockdowns with short durations he's going to be stuck pretty much 100% in a defensive mode while waiting for the stamina to be able to break eclipse. This happens to me when fighting Templar spamming eclipse all the time. If you see a Sorc stop breaking free of your eclipse you know he is out of stamina and *that* is when you switch more offensive.

Darnathian

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

@zornyan This is why I was suggesting using Purifying Ritual in that other thread. I think it was you that listed it as a bad skill.

I think that was talking about stamplars and healing wasn't it? I admittedly didn't know about this bug until last night.

I don't recall you mentioning is specifically about stamplars. You had listed out a bunch of skills that you felt were sub par.

This is even good for stamplars. I fought one the other day that used Defensive Stance and spammed Purifying Ritual, along with his other attacks. My only real attack against him was Overload and then I had to keep swapping out to cast Defensive Stance myself and risk running out of stam to break his CC's.

Purifying Ritual is a very powerful skill right now.

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

@zornyan This is why I was suggesting using Purifying Ritual in that other thread. I think it was you that listed it as a bad skill.

I think that was talking about stamplars and healing wasn't it? I admittedly didn't know about this bug until last night.

I don't recall you mentioning is specifically about stamplars. You had listed out a bunch of skills that you felt were sub par.

This is even good for stamplars. I fought one the other day that used Defensive Stance and spammed Purifying Ritual, along with his other attacks. My only real attack against him was Overload and then I had to keep swapping out to cast Defensive Stance myself and risk running out of stam to break his CC's.

Purifying Ritual is a very powerful skill right now.

not sure if this was me. thats the set up i have been using. the problem is the second the sorc gets low on stamina they streak set up mines and the fight resets.

it ends in a draw. which is fine by me. i consider that a win against OP sorcs.

all this is if its one on one. unfortunatley its always a nb near by.

Hexys

Activate proximity detonation, cast 2 tangling webs, eclipse the sorc, insta press the dark flare button followed by toppling, dawnbreaker and radiant.

When you get under pressure you breath of life, stay alive untill the moment comes that your rotation will finish and you kill the sorc.

Ezareth

Hexys wrote: »

Activate proximity detonation, cast 2 tangling webs, eclipse the sorc, insta press the dark flare button followed by toppling, dawnbreaker and radiant.

When you get under pressure you breath of life, stay alive untill the moment comes that your rotation will finish and you kill the sorc.

If the sorc has sword and board or Ball of Lightning that will never work.

ScooberSteve

Its easy hit them once and watch them streak into the sunset

threefarms

For the record, I soloed a Vet 15 sorc as an imperial magicka Templar build. The Templar can effectively make use of its defensive abilities along with healing to counter the sorc then toppling charge and sweeps to weaken and radiant oppression to clean up the mess. If the duel is a straight up offensive cast battle, the magicka Templar will have a much harder time trying to win.

Because I am an imperial and have played both stamina and magicka builds, the stamina build is much more effective when PvPing anyone in terms of damage.

Tankqull

fighting sorcs as a magica temp is futile as its known as the never ending story.

Alcast

ZeFeZ wrote: »

So how do you defeat a Sorcerer as a Templar
I have no clue...

You do not, you reroll sorc/nb. Because reasons