Do you feel second class if you are playing eso on console

neville_bart0s

Yes.

I cut myself every time I turn my console on......

KICHZY wrote: »

My only complaint playing on console is not having consumable timers displayed on screen.

It would be nice to have that information but the one thing I like about consoles is that everyone is using the same hardware with the same FPS and the same UI, its not like PC where you have these *** nerds with 6K machines pushing out huge FPS while some other guy is playing on his mums laptop

KYNG

PrinceBoru wrote: »

These PC/Console arguments.
They are more about egos than anything.
I've played on both platforms.
The difference in gameplay is zero.
Add-ons? Don't need and never used them. The game is more appealing to me w/o them.
Yes the console version has some features it needs, but it will progress as the PC version did.
And the console version just works.
No worrying about specs or drivers etc.

Of course my job requires me to be in front of a cpu screen all day.
I don't like being hunched over my computer when i get home.
I game from a huge leather chair.
And it is great.

Thats the problem, consoles aren't progressing.
Consoles still have no Text Chat yet alones timers. We also lack latency meters, I'd like to know when the game has a lag spike and not after I'm dead trying to take on a world boss because none of my spells fired off. My character can move but nothing else, then I get a fast forward effect showing me how I died.

KYNG

JD2013 wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

KYNG wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

I don't feel second class at all. Even if someone tries to treat me that way I have made friends on this forum who play on PC so it's probably down to individuals.

Plus, PC players are guinea pigs for new content and patches. They have to put up with more bugs and glitches, I think.

I disagree consoles are littered with bugs and glitches. If anything, PC gets them fixed sooner.
Consoles still get glitches and bugs, we just put up with them longer.

I agree with you I reported I can't complete the long live the king quest with a bounty and they replied back telling me it will be fixed so I was like okay awesome it's going to be fixed on ps4 but then they updated my post saying it will be fixed on pc this Monday but not on console when in the title I said I was having this problem on ps4 ridiculous

It is not ZOS's fault that patches have to go through certification. That's Microsoft and Sony. I agree that it's frustrating, but they can't push weekly patches to console and instead have to cram multiple patches in one update for console. This is one of many reasons I prefer PC.

You're right, the cert process isn't zenimax's fault.
But it is there fault when something as basic as Text Chat isnt in the game day 1. Or for that fact, 2 DLCs later.

BackFreckle

PrinceBoru wrote: »

Add-ons? Don't need and never used them. The game is more appealing TO ME w/o them.
Yes the console version has some features it needs, but it will progress as the PC version did.

Your experiences with addons don't apply to everyone. Some people need them and some people would like to use them to better themselves. And I do agree with you, the console will progress with time but the question is how much time. I get that they have the pc to deal with and the new dlc to make but some of these things need to be top priority.

They have stated in a previous ESO live that they plan on adding certain features soon but in the ESO live a couple days ago they mentioned that it was "far away" (not exact words) but this isn't what the people want to hear.

Ps I know you were just stating your view on the matter but I feel a lot of people will say the same thing

CapnPhoton

I guess people could just be thankful that it is on the consoles.

zornyan

PrinceBoru wrote: »

These PC/Console arguments.
They are more about egos than anything.
I've played on both platforms.
The difference in gameplay is zero.
Add-ons? Don't need and never used them. The game is more appealing to me w/o them.
Yes the console version has some features it needs, but it will progress as the PC version did.
And the console version just works.
No worrying about specs or drivers etc.

Of course my job requires me to be in front of a cpu screen all day.
I don't like being hunched over my computer when i get home.
I game from a huge leather chair.
And it is great.

I don't worry about specs or drivers?

It updates itself, just like my ps4/xbox

It'd plugged into my living room tv, right next to my ps4/xbox
I use a controller just like my ps4/xbox
I have a keyboard next to me for text chat , just like my....oh wait
I play the game at max graphics settings just like...oh
I can talk to all 500 people in my guild via text chat and discuss things via text chat easily just like...oh nope

Molag_Crow

Hmm nope, used to, but not anymore. Apart from the dodgy 'Break Free' buttons and no text chat, I like it.

zornyan

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

KYNG wrote: »

I feel I can never play 100% on consoles because I'm always playing a guessing game.

Is my buff still up, are my DoTs still active, is the enemy at 25% health so I can maximize Impale etc.

No buff/debuff icons, no timers, no numbers, no nothing.
It's like driving a go kart, sure I can drive it but I'm no F1 driver.

Whatever ESO lacks ( which is a lot) PC players just make/DL an addon for it, problem solved.
Console players dont have that resource.

And yes, Text Chat. How is this not a DAY 1 feature!?
An MMO without Text Chat isnt an MMO.

Horses for courses, those are the exact reasons (mostly) I prefer console to PC

I honestly don't wanna be sitting staring at numbers, and due to those add-ons you just mentioned, it's pretty much essential on PC, on PS4 I have a 'pure' experience,.

As far as text chat, I miss it sometimes, mostly not, and can remember when PS4 beta came out I spoke to more people (as in voice) in one weekend than I did in six months of playing on PC.

I'm happier on console, you I guess would be much happier on PC, but I assume you can't play on that system for whatever reason, budget, convenience etc.

If the floaty numbers I see in some peoples pvp videos were on consoles I probably wouldn't have bought it tbh

That's more personal preference, but since there's been pages and pages of console users demanding text chat for the gsme it kinda hints at something.

Considering pc has far more active players also suggests console users are getting fed up, most of my ps4 guilds are now very inactive out of the 500 members, the biggest issue is text chat.

Try standing in wayrest undaunted enclave looking for a gold pledge group for an hour, with zero ability to communicate with the few people there, to them join the group, enter the dungeon and wonder wtf the tank isn't taunting and the dps' are terrible and not using the mechanics, to then not be able to talk to them to help them through.

Then go on pc, type vr16 healer lfg for gold key, join group in 5 minutes, everyone knows their role, knows what to do and can communicate vital information.

It just doesn't work, every mmo in history has had text chat, and console is losing players at an alarming rate, hell even cyrodil, where do you find people? Half the time I can log in to Azura's with 3 bars our side, look on the map to see 2 keep battles, spend 10 minutes riding to one to find out its just 3 guys that have died, then have to ride to the other side of the Damm map to find someone.

Again on pc i log in and it's "group of reds are aleswell, need more defenders" and bam sorted I know where to go.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

PC get updates sooner cause they don't have to go though Xbox Live or Play Station Network to go through

Malmai

If you play on EU u feel second class... Lagfest

TX12001rwb17_ESO

found1779 wrote: »

Theodorus wrote: »

Also, this is a PC game that was ported over to console. So, yeah, it's bound to be better on the PC.

Ever play a console game that ported to the PC? Talk about second class...

But originally it was set to be released on console and pc at the same time so I don't understand how it could be classified as s pc game in general

originally it was never going to be on console.

Tats

FFxiv arr on ps4 has most of the features pc has. Don't see why ESO shouldn't either.

I really hate not being able to msg people quickly in game. Also all the lack of info the game gives you is just dumb.

Asherons_Call

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

It's just you...I played on a nice PC from closed beta to release and months after.

I happily swapped to console and only play PTS occasionally now

The reality is...if your perspective is that PC is better, jump ship.

It's not just him.

DannyLV702

Somewhat, but I'm used to it and it doesn't bother me/cross my mind anymore.

bareheiny

Do I feel second class when I play on the console?

Why no, no I don't. Hey - thanks very much for asking!

found1779

bareheiny wrote: »

Do I feel second class when I play on the console?

Why no, no I don't. Hey - thanks very much for asking!

Lol

mrdaveqc

It's the fact that pc have way much more over us ( a lot of add on and text chat ). I hope Zos will add some of them to the console version, because I don't want to buy a 1ooo $ pc only for this game

J2JMC

zornyan wrote: »

PrinceBoru wrote: »

These PC/Console arguments.
They are more about egos than anything.
I've played on both platforms.
The difference in gameplay is zero.
Add-ons? Don't need and never used them. The game is more appealing to me w/o them.
Yes the console version has some features it needs, but it will progress as the PC version did.
And the console version just works.
No worrying about specs or drivers etc.

Of course my job requires me to be in front of a cpu screen all day.
I don't like being hunched over my computer when i get home.
I game from a huge leather chair.
And it is great.

I don't worry about specs or drivers?

It updates itself, just like my ps4/xbox

It'd plugged into my living room tv, right next to my ps4/xbox
I use a controller just like my ps4/xbox
I have a keyboard next to me for text chat , just like my....oh wait
I play the game at max graphics settings just like...oh
I can talk to all 500 people in my guild via text chat and discuss things via text chat easily just like...oh nope

Seems like you missed the ego part lol

Rust_in_Peace

PC players paid to beta test the game for you console guys for a year. No one feels more taken advantage of.

Ruben

J2JMC wrote: »

Seems like you missed the ego part lol

Did he show any kind of ego problems on his post?

Zero.

There's your answer.

KYNG

CapnPhoton wrote: »

I guess people could just be thankful that it is on the consoles.

No.
You dont say thank you for paying full price for a BETA.

KYNG

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

PC get updates sooner cause they don't have to go though Xbox Live or Play Station Network to go through

Doesnt excuse the lack of basic features for an MMO on day 1 release such as TEXT CHAT.

2 APPROVED DLCs later, still no text chat.

KYNG

Tats wrote: »

FFxiv arr on ps4 has most of the features pc has. Don't see why ESO shouldn't either.

I really hate not being able to msg people quickly in game. Also all the lack of info the game gives you is just dumb.

3 trillion % agree.

KYNG

Rust_in_Peace wrote: »

PC players paid to beta test the game for you console guys for a year. No one feels more taken advantage of.

Then we are in the same boat, because we bought a beta at full price with all the bugs and lag.

Waffennacht

Im on console, I really enjoy it. Yes, I would like an add on or two, such as a buff/debuff timer.

Here are a few things I have learned from these forums, I take them to be true. I cannot verify the information.

1. Updates, fixes, text etc... all must go through Microsoft (etc) before being put into action
2. Orsinium is the first dlc made by the current crew (or last of old crew?)
3. Updates for console especially must be tested thoroughly to make sure they do not cause more problems than solve, so now updates and fixes will done at greater time intervals to maximize effectiveness.
4. PC can have the direct involvement from dev team uninhibited by console licencing/contracts
5. PCs can have third party add ons

Console is not second class, the dev team just has inherent advantages when working with the PC community, not to mention a more direct form of communication with the PC community.

Its also true PC has a higher competitive niche market than console, this would also be a driving force for a constant involvement.

I would say that the intervention of Microsoft (etc), preventing direct involvement (if true), is the most influential of the reasons for the delay in bug fixes etc for console

found1779

Waffennacht wrote: »

Im on console, I really enjoy it. Yes, I would like an add on or two, such as a buff/debuff timer.

Here are a few things I have learned from these forums, I take them to be true. I cannot verify the information.

1. Updates, fixes, text etc... all must go through Microsoft (etc) before being put into action
2. Orsinium is the first dlc made by the current crew (or last of old crew?)
3. Updates for console especially must be tested thoroughly to make sure they do not cause more problems than solve, so now updates and fixes will done at greater time intervals to maximize effectiveness.
4. PC can have the direct involvement from dev team uninhibited by console licencing/contracts
5. PCs can have third party add ons

Console is not second class, the dev team just has inherent advantages when working with the PC community, not to mention a more direct form of communication with the PC community.

Its also true PC has a higher competitive niche market than console, this would also be a driving force for a constant involvement.

I would say that the intervention of Microsoft (etc), preventing direct involvement (if true), is the most influential of the reasons for the delay in bug fixes etc for console

Possible the reason for bug fixed i agree but there being no text chat and or add ons to the game is zenimax fault text chat and a few other add ons should have been in the game from the start but wasn't js

KYNG

Waffennacht wrote: »

Im on console, I really enjoy it. Yes, I would like an add on or two, such as a buff/debuff timer.

Here are a few things I have learned from these forums, I take them to be true. I cannot verify the information.

1. Updates, fixes, text etc... all must go through Microsoft (etc) before being put into action
2. Orsinium is the first dlc made by the current crew (or last of old crew?)
3. Updates for console especially must be tested thoroughly to make sure they do not cause more problems than solve, so now updates and fixes will done at greater time intervals to maximize effectiveness.
4. PC can have the direct involvement from dev team uninhibited by console licencing/contracts
5. PCs can have third party add ons

Console is not second class, the dev team just has inherent advantages when working with the PC community, not to mention a more direct form of communication with the PC community.

Its also true PC has a higher competitive niche market than console, this would also be a driving force for a constant involvement.

I would say that the intervention of Microsoft (etc), preventing direct involvement (if true), is the most influential of the reasons for the delay in bug fixes etc for console

Disagree.

While MS and Sony need to green light them, the things we are talking about should have been in day 1 like TEXT CHAT.
Also, we are 2 APPROVED DLCs in ... Still no Text Chat. You cant blame MS and Sony on being slow to green light text chat or timers when its not even in the updates.

Who releases a social game without basic Text Chat?
Its like buying a phone without a keypad to use.

Thalmor-Nordmaster

Alucardo.

Asphyxiation from lack of punctuation?

CJohnson81

Ruben wrote: »

Yep. We PC players can use punctuation.

I know this OP's posts purely from the lack of punctuation. Funny thing I saw once, he had a double post pop up and edited the extra to be a single period. So, we know the key works!

ADarklore

KYNG wrote: »

As I have said many times ESO feels like a singleplayer game with MMCo-Op. Its anti social. With its lack of Text Chat, terrible phasing and absence of a proper group finder etc.

You DO realize that most of players playing this game are Elder Scrolls single-player gamers, right? Not sure why so many people are stuck on the MMO = FORCED GROUP which is outdated mentality. Back in the day, the only players able to play an MMO were PC players and the limited titles forced them into one of the few titles available so those games could survive with the amount of players who wanted constant group content. Fast forward to today, and ALL nextgen consoles have WiFi access and most households have internet access... which means MILLIONS of single-player gamers now have access to online games and many of them are not looking for forced group content but are looking for a game that they can play solo but group if/when they want. Future MMOs would learn a lesson or two from ESO because the fact is, the number of players who want group content or PvP are an extreme minority among the gamers of today because of all consoles having online access. This is a major reason why Orsinium was so successful, because it was designed more for solo/casual players than the minority who want group/PvP content.

Oh, and as for Text Chat on console, I do believe they stated there are no plans to ever bring text chat to the console version. I think their explanation for not including it was shady, I think the real reason was because they were having problems implementing it into the console version, and after an already year-long delay in console development, they just went ahead with launch and decided to forego text chat and give some lame excuse why it wasn't included. I think for them to go back and add it would mean some serious recoding/redeveloment that they're just not willing to commit resources to doing. If it were easy, with the demand for it, I would expect them to have implemented it... but if it involves major redevelopment, then no. Same thing with bringing controller support to PC version... instead of developing actual controller support for PC, they took the easy way out and just gave PC version a ported XBOX One Controller UI.