How many Nightblades are there in stealth per square meter in Cyrodiil?

Isbilen

My guess is around five and a half at all times.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO

Well, the myth is you are never more then 6 foot away from a Night Blade

Jura23

I still like stealthy nightblades more than steelnado spamming trains.

SHADOW2KK

We are everywhere....

/lurks....

Master_Kas

To many xD

DeanTheCat

Depends on the alliance I would say. On the EP side, I think it's round 2-3 NB/SqrM. DC side I think it's round 2-3 as well but AD on the other hand... It's more round 6-7 NB/SqrM.

Seriously though, AD needs to tone down on the sheer number of snipers they field. If I fight AD and don't get sniped at least 4 times in a fight when I'm alone, I'd think something was wrong with AD. It's that bad nowadays.

lolo_01b16_ESO

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Well, the myth is you are never more then 6 foot away from a Night Blade

I can assure you this myth is not true. My lightning form has more then 6 feet radius and and there are usually no nbs (and if they are, they either run away or have a mages wrath exploding inside them).

Teargrants

The correct answer is: all the Nightblades.

k2blader

Threads like these are the reason to play NB.

JaJaLuka

Not enough

Pchela

Gonna make a Haxus all magicka stealth nightblade raid.

Reeko

More than is probably necessary/healthy.

ToRelax

DeanTheCat wrote: »

Depends on the alliance I would say. On the EP side, I think it's round 2-3 NB/SqrM. DC side I think it's round 2-3 as well but AD on the other hand... It's more round 6-7 NB/SqrM.

Seriously though, AD needs to tone down on the sheer number of snipers they field. If I fight AD and don't get sniped at least 4 times in a fight when I'm alone, I'd think something was wrong with AD. It's that bad nowadays.

Well, DC healing is on the same level, if not worse. When I fought DC today, not only every 2nd player seemed to be Templar, many Sorcs and DKs were spamming Springs/BoR on top of that.

I wonder what it's like to fight EP currently... with equal numbers

DeanTheCat

ToRelax wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

Depends on the alliance I would say. On the EP side, I think it's round 2-3 NB/SqrM. DC side I think it's round 2-3 as well but AD on the other hand... It's more round 6-7 NB/SqrM.

Seriously though, AD needs to tone down on the sheer number of snipers they field. If I fight AD and don't get sniped at least 4 times in a fight when I'm alone, I'd think something was wrong with AD. It's that bad nowadays.

Well, DC healing is on the same level, if not worse. When I fought DC today, not only every 2nd player seemed to be Templar, many Sorcs and DKs were spamming Springs/BoR on top of that.

I wonder what it's like to fight EP currently... with equal numbers

Most likely DK and Sorc army

We do have the Dunmer on our side after all. And Nord DKs, because Skyrim.

Erondil

DeanTheCat wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

Depends on the alliance I would say. On the EP side, I think it's round 2-3 NB/SqrM. DC side I think it's round 2-3 as well but AD on the other hand... It's more round 6-7 NB/SqrM.

Seriously though, AD needs to tone down on the sheer number of snipers they field. If I fight AD and don't get sniped at least 4 times in a fight when I'm alone, I'd think something was wrong with AD. It's that bad nowadays.

Well, DC healing is on the same level, if not worse. When I fought DC today, not only every 2nd player seemed to be Templar, many Sorcs and DKs were spamming Springs/BoR on top of that.

I wonder what it's like to fight EP currently... with equal numbers

Most likely DK and Sorc army

We do have the Dunmer on our side after all. And Nord DKs, because Skyrim.

Nonono lol EP is 50% nightblade, 10% oneshot heavy attack dk bow build and 40% of the rest. Yesterday though, I met an EP group of 8 templars + 2 dk in a tower.. it felt wrong, when I want to fight templars I usually go DC side

Skinzz

Nigjtblades are meant for pvp.

Jhunn

AD is like 40% NB, 40% sorc and 20% Big Boss.

DeanTheCat

Erondil wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

Depends on the alliance I would say. On the EP side, I think it's round 2-3 NB/SqrM. DC side I think it's round 2-3 as well but AD on the other hand... It's more round 6-7 NB/SqrM.

Seriously though, AD needs to tone down on the sheer number of snipers they field. If I fight AD and don't get sniped at least 4 times in a fight when I'm alone, I'd think something was wrong with AD. It's that bad nowadays.

Well, DC healing is on the same level, if not worse. When I fought DC today, not only every 2nd player seemed to be Templar, many Sorcs and DKs were spamming Springs/BoR on top of that.

I wonder what it's like to fight EP currently... with equal numbers

Most likely DK and Sorc army

We do have the Dunmer on our side after all. And Nord DKs, because Skyrim.

Nonono lol EP is 50% nightblade, 10% oneshot heavy attack dk bow build and 40% of the rest. Yesterday though, I met an EP group of 8 templars + 2 dk in a tower.. it felt wrong, when I want to fight templars I usually go DC side

Touché.

Are the EP nightblades the melee or ranged variant? You'll be the best judge of that because you fight them

My point still stands about the AD Leogolas army though

Erondil

DeanTheCat wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

Depends on the alliance I would say. On the EP side, I think it's round 2-3 NB/SqrM. DC side I think it's round 2-3 as well but AD on the other hand... It's more round 6-7 NB/SqrM.

Seriously though, AD needs to tone down on the sheer number of snipers they field. If I fight AD and don't get sniped at least 4 times in a fight when I'm alone, I'd think something was wrong with AD. It's that bad nowadays.

Well, DC healing is on the same level, if not worse. When I fought DC today, not only every 2nd player seemed to be Templar, many Sorcs and DKs were spamming Springs/BoR on top of that.

I wonder what it's like to fight EP currently... with equal numbers

Most likely DK and Sorc army

We do have the Dunmer on our side after all. And Nord DKs, because Skyrim.

Nonono lol EP is 50% nightblade, 10% oneshot heavy attack dk bow build and 40% of the rest. Yesterday though, I met an EP group of 8 templars + 2 dk in a tower.. it felt wrong, when I want to fight templars I usually go DC side

Touché.

Are the EP nightblades the melee or ranged variant? You'll be the best judge of that because you fight them

My point still stands about the AD Leogolas army though

More melee. The kind of nightblades spamming teleport strike all day long

DeanTheCat

Erondil wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

Depends on the alliance I would say. On the EP side, I think it's round 2-3 NB/SqrM. DC side I think it's round 2-3 as well but AD on the other hand... It's more round 6-7 NB/SqrM.

Seriously though, AD needs to tone down on the sheer number of snipers they field. If I fight AD and don't get sniped at least 4 times in a fight when I'm alone, I'd think something was wrong with AD. It's that bad nowadays.

Well, DC healing is on the same level, if not worse. When I fought DC today, not only every 2nd player seemed to be Templar, many Sorcs and DKs were spamming Springs/BoR on top of that.

I wonder what it's like to fight EP currently... with equal numbers

Most likely DK and Sorc army

We do have the Dunmer on our side after all. And Nord DKs, because Skyrim.

Nonono lol EP is 50% nightblade, 10% oneshot heavy attack dk bow build and 40% of the rest. Yesterday though, I met an EP group of 8 templars + 2 dk in a tower.. it felt wrong, when I want to fight templars I usually go DC side

Touché.

Are the EP nightblades the melee or ranged variant? You'll be the best judge of that because you fight them

My point still stands about the AD Leogolas army though

More melee. The kind of nightblades spamming teleport strike all day long

Something like this?

Derra

ZOS needs to adress stealth gameplay. It comes with not enough drawbacks. There is literally no reason to be visible in cyrodiil unless you´re actively engaged in combat.

What´s the point of open pvp if nobody is visible...

Etaniel

Derra wrote: »

ZOS needs to adress stealth gameplay. It comes with not enough drawbacks. There is literally no reason to be visible in cyrodiil unless you´re actively engaged in combat.

What´s the point of open pvp if nobody is visible...

I'd actually be in favor of removing stealth completely from PvP except for nightblades

Derra

Etaniel wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

ZOS needs to adress stealth gameplay. It comes with not enough drawbacks. There is literally no reason to be visible in cyrodiil unless you´re actively engaged in combat.

What´s the point of open pvp if nobody is visible...

I'd actually be in favor of removing stealth completely from PvP except for nightblades

Brace yourself. I can feel the forumrage of every stealthganker building up.

Ishammael

Pre 1.6 the NA DC faction was like 50% templars, 45% DKs. Now its mostly NBs. Also, I swear everybody in AD has a NB alt.

Etaniel wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

ZOS needs to adress stealth gameplay. It comes with not enough drawbacks. There is literally no reason to be visible in cyrodiil unless you´re actively engaged in combat.

What´s the point of open pvp if nobody is visible...

I'd actually be in favor of removing stealth completely from PvP except for nightblades

Agree here. There shouldn't be bonus dmg from stealth, either. Promotes un-fun gameplay.

Soulac

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eliisra

Etaniel wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

ZOS needs to adress stealth gameplay. It comes with not enough drawbacks. There is literally no reason to be visible in cyrodiil unless you´re actively engaged in combat.

What´s the point of open pvp if nobody is visible...

I'd actually be in favor of removing stealth completely from PvP except for nightblades

Omg why would you do that? You get even more nightblades in sneak per square meter. You think there's many NB's today, see what happens when they get stealth exclusivity

Rather they remove or tone down the stealth dmg bonus. Like why should crouching(as in tapping one key) make you do more dmg than using 250 cost ultimates? This really puzzles me. From a classic MMORPG stand point, it makes no sense.

Alucardo

Etaniel wrote: »

I'd actually be in favor of removing stealth completely from PvP except for nightblades

I wouldn't go that far, but maybe if you're in a large group or something. Solo players and small groups should still be allowed to stealth, but when you've got a group of 20 all sneaking around around you'd think it would cause more commotion, revealing your location easier.

Lava_Croft

Run a Camouflaged Hunter instakill cheese build in an attempt to copy @Alcast.

Go to the forums and complain about Nightblades.

Profit???

Etaniel

Alucardo wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

I'd actually be in favor of removing stealth completely from PvP except for nightblades

I wouldn't go that far, but maybe if you're in a large group or something. Solo players and small groups should still be allowed to stealth, but when you've got a group of 20 all sneaking around around you'd think it would cause more commotion, revealing your location easier.

Ok, maybe it's a bit too much of a revamp... Here's a counter proposition:

Increase the detection radius for all who aren't nightblades.
Currently you have to be very close to someone who is crouching to see him (unless you have magelight, bu then again, you still need to be very close to each other).
I'd rather have stealth be broken if you are in a 30-40 meter range.
I think it's quite stupid that you can have an entire army in stealth 5 meters away, and you'd never be able to know
about it.

In order to make it a little less sexy, reduce the max speed you can go at while stealthed (talking about the bonuses you can get through nb skills, sets and being a vamp.

Kutsuu

I'd love it if light and shadows have a huge effect on the strength of stealth/crouch. If you're out in the open in a well-lit area and someone is looking in your direction (say a 90 degree frontal cone), they should spot you from a considerably long distance (30-40m or so). If you're in the shadow of a rock/tree the distance should be much shorter (10-15m if they are directly facing you). Distance would be further decreased at night, and mills/keeps and such would have torch lighting to help reveal stealthers. Shoot it would be kinda cool if people could carry a torch at night too. This would make all the various bonuses to decrease detection radius meaningful to someone who wants to make a stealth build, and crouching out in a field would more realistically be easy to spot.

Of course I doubt this would ever happen. A lot of people turn shadows off and it would probably be resource intensive on their end to track what distances people are detectable based on position and such.

Derra

Or they could add crouch/sneak costing stamina permanently and not only while moving.

Add something to mediumarmor that alows you to have no stamina drain (but also no reg) while not moving for 7/7 medium armor.